NSRA Bisley Meet

BountyHunter

Anyone else going over next week?

BountyHunter.

FLOYDSTER

I'm going the weekend agg and the double english match !, Demonloop and Intershoot will be there too!!;)
Deffo more of a social event! lol

BountyHunter

We'll not be arriving until Saturday evening, coming home on the Wednesday

demonloop

Give us a bell when you arrive, theres a BBQ on site Saturday too, Bunhill Lodge.

'Floydster' has promised to perform a strip-tease on a table, whilst 'Intershoot' has been employed to perform alternative entertainment in the form of Irish Dancing.

Tackleberrywho

demonloop wrote: »

Give us a bell when you arrive, theres a BBQ on site Saturday too, Bunhill Lodge.

'Floydster' has promised to perform a strip-tease on a table, whilst 'Intershoot' has been employed to perform alternative entertainment in the form of Irish Dancing.

I can Imagine Intershoot with his Black belt in Irish dancing

I must venture over to Bisley, all this after hours entertainment sounds good.
Can people go to Bisley and shoot without being members?

Or how does one get involved in a shoot over there?
I was looking at there first time shooter page and it's a tad confusing.
Especially on the mention of Firearms and their limitations

*RIFLE
A maximum calibre of .577” and a maximum
muzzle velocity of 3200 ft/sec (1000m/s) and a
maximum muzzle energy of 3319ft lbs (4500
Joules).

†GALLERY RIFLES AND PISTOLS
Defined as a maximum calibre of .455”, and a
maximum muzzle velocity of 2150ft/sec (655
m/s), and maximum muzzle energy of 1496ft lbs
(2030 joules).


As 58grain .243 rounds are over 3200fps.
I know they are not a target round, but in theory you can use them, or am I reading the Doc wrong?

It wasn't me!

It's an MOD range. You can't use anything that exceeds those limits.

demonloop

AFAIK, you can't shoot without a competency certificate from your NGB, I really should listen more but I think thats the story with fullbore. Doesn't apply to me, so I tend to switch off....

BountyHunter

demonloop wrote: »

'Intershoot' has been employed to perform alternative entertainment in the form of Irish Dancing.

Oh right, I thought it was MC Hammer...

Mr.Flibble

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It's an MOD range. You can't use anything that exceeds those limits.

Actually it isn't, but it still has to conform with their rules. I think, for example, it shares a MoD danger area.

And you're right - you have to conform with the m.v. rule, no matter how light the bullet is.

Mr.Flibble

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Can people go to Bisley and shoot without being members?

Or how does one get involved in a shoot over there?

As 58grain .243 rounds are over 3200fps.
I know they are not a target round, but in theory you can use them, or am I reading the Doc wrong?

There are several Midlands members who shoot in Bisley; why not ask them?

I think you'd be better served with heavier bullets for long range target shooting. What kind of velocity do you get with, say, the 107 SMK in the .243? Otherwise, haven't you got a .223 or a .308?

Tackleberrywho

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

There are several Midlands members who shoot in Bisley; why not ask them?

I think you'd be better served with heavier bullets for long range target shooting. What kind of velocity do you get with, say, the 107 SMK in the .243? Otherwise, haven't you got a .223 or a .308?

I asked the question, because I did not know the answer.
I rarely get to go to Midlands as I work weekends.

So I can't ask........

Mr.Flibble

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I asked the question, because I did not know the answer.
I rarely get to go to Midlands as I work weekends.

So I can't ask........

You gave the impression you were an active member of Midlands. My mistake.

PM d'Corbus instead; he's a member and shoots in Bisley.

Tackleberrywho

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

You gave the impression you were an active member of Midlands. My mistake.

PM d'Corbus instead; he's a member and shoots in Bisley.

Why can't I get my answer here, and the general public benefit from the knowledge as-well?

Is this not what boards.ie is about?

tac foley

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I can Imagine Intershoot with his Black belt in Irish dancing

I must venture over to Bisley, all this after hours entertainment sounds good.
Can people go to Bisley and shoot without being members?

Or how does one get involved in a shoot over there?
I was looking at there first time shooter page and it's a tad confusing.
Especially on the mention of Firearms and their limitations

*RIFLE
A maximum calibre of .577” and a maximum
muzzle velocity of 3200 ft/sec (1000m/s) and a
maximum muzzle energy of 3319ft lbs (4500
Joules).

†GALLERY RIFLES AND PISTOLS
Defined as a maximum calibre of .455”, and a
maximum muzzle velocity of 2150ft/sec (655
m/s), and maximum muzzle energy of 1496ft lbs
(2030 joules).


As 58grain .243 rounds are over 3200fps.
I know they are not a target round, but in theory you can use them, or am I reading the Doc wrong?

One thing that you didn't mention, mainly because it is not noted on the NRS website, is that the only ammunition you are permitted to use on the longer rifle ranges at Bisley are those that shoot a full metal jacketed bullet. NO expanding ammunition of any kind can be used - it is, after all, a TARGET rifle range, not a range for trying out a hunting load.

This is why most folks going to Bisley shoot an established target cartridge calibre - .223, .308, 6.5mm whatever, 7mm whatever, but not .243 or .270...

Exceptions to this are those gallery ranges where pistol-calibre firearms may be used, or black powder arms that use purely lead projectiles.

Just sayin'.

tac

dCorbus

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

PM d'Corbus instead.

Felt my ears burning!:D
Please, don't PM me about this :rolleyes: - I wouldn't have the foggiest about how to go about popping along to shoot in Bisley on any given day.

And for the sake of clarity:

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

he's a member

A member of Midlands - not of Bisley, in case anyone was wondering:rolleyes:
That said, if I was to be spending more time in the UK, I'd definitely get some form of Bisley / NSC membership sorted out, as from what I've seen the facilities in the place are pretty cool - not least the atmosphere and tradition which fairly oozes out of the ground and the buildings there!

If you do get the chance to visit and shoot in Bisley, it's well worth the trip IMO.

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

d'Corbus...shoots in Bisley.

That would be more than a wee bit of an exaggeration - More correctly stated: He has shot in Bisley, but it wouldn't be really correct to say I shoot in Bisley on any sort of a regular basis. TBH I've only been there during organised competition - so how one would go about shooting in Bisley as a non-member on a "come-as-you-go" basis is something I wouldn't have the foggiest notion about.

For tackleberrywho, his best bet IMO would be to talk to chaps down the Midlands range etc who have shot at Bisley outside of competition days and who would be far better informed than I on this.



Anyhoooo.......

@ tackleberrywho - Back on topic: this event the lads were posting about is an NSRA smallbore shoot, so not something you'd be geared up for (yet! ) - although maybe you could be persuaded to don a gimp suit, lose the scope, and try some rather tricky shooting at some point in the future!;);):D

ATB dC:cool:

Tackleberrywho

It's OK dC

A member of said range PM'ed me, explained everything to me.
I was fairly sure you were not a member, other wise I would have spoken to you directly about it.

I do know a RCO who I could have asked, but I did not want to disturb him s he is a very busy man and I thought Boards was as good place to get an answer as any, I know one of the Boyos that is going to Bisley this week, but I know he does not shoot centrefire and therefore I posted question here.

But it's OK, I have all my answers now

Bananaman

Some of the guys who went to the phoenjx in bisley to shoot gallery brought their centrefires with them to shoot the McQueen match so you could ask them - dont think any of em read boards tho

tac foley

Bananaman wrote: »

Some of the guys who went to the phoenjx in bisley to shoot gallery brought their centrefires with them to shoot the McQueen match so you could ask them - dont think any of em read boards tho

Then they should - there is a lot of useful information to be found here.

tac

demonloop

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

Actually it isn't, but it still has to conform with their rules. I think, for example, it shares a MoD danger area.

And you're right - you have to conform with the m.v. rule, no matter how light the bullet is.

Bisley Camp, and all the ranges therein is MOD property. Always has been.

Sparks

Er. Well. Most of the ranges and all of the danger area is MoD, but not all of the camp is (though frankly, they'd be more than welcome to the A-lines...)

Also, there's an FAQ on shooting on the fullbore ranges in Bisley (and lots of info on the certification requirements to shoot on MoD ranges) on the NRA website that might answer your questions Tack.

demonloop

Sparks wrote: »

Er. Well. Most of the ranges and all of the danger area is MoD, but not all of the camp is (though frankly, they'd be more than welcome to the A-lines...)

Also, there's an FAQ on shooting on the fullbore ranges in Bisley (and lots of info on the certification requirements to shoot on MoD ranges) on the NRA website that might answer your questions Tack.

I was always under the impression the whole lands were on long term lease, but still MOD property

"The ranges at Bisley are leased from the MoD on a long-term lease."

From here...
http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/content/content.asp

Of course it's a lease that will unlikely ever be revoked...

All the above could be old wives tales but thats the only version I've ever heard...

Sparks

I always thought that the LRC wasn't an MoD range though demonloop...

demonloop

Sparks wrote: »

I always thought that the LRC wasn't an MoD range though demonloop...

Ditto the clay range AFAIK, but I was always under the impression the land of the whole camp was MOD estate, albeit on lease to the NRA, who subsequently sublet to NSRA/CPSA

I think we're actually in agreement, but I mean the land the ranges are built on, rather than the ranges themselves.

Its probably a moot point (and a bit pedantic on my behalf) anyhow as the lease will never end (fingers crossed), but I'd say the name on the land registry is MOD/Defence Estates/Crown*

*insert your preference

Sparks

True, but the details of who owns what are kindof important in this case as it means you don't need an MoD certification in order to shoot on the airgun range upstairs in the LRC

demonloop

Sparks wrote: »

True, but the details of who owns what are kindof important in this case as it means you don't need an MoD certification in order to shoot on the airgun range upstairs in the LRC

True, but the certification only applies to real guns anyhow


*tin hat on*

Sparks

True. On the other hand, it doesn't apply at all if you show up on the wrong day...

Mr.Flibble

My understanding is that the NRA(UK) has the lands of the camp and ranges on a long-term, substantially exclusive, lease of some sort, and, along with other partners, uses them primarily for sport target shooting. To my mind that does not constitute an "MoD range" irrespective of who has the freehold, and unlike, say, Ballykinler.

The danger area may be another matter.

Sparks

The ranges freehold does rather matter Mr.Fibble, because without MoD certification (which the NRA can arrange), you don't get to shoot on them, NRA member or no.

Mr.Flibble

Sparks wrote: »

The ranges freehold does rather matter Mr.Fibble, because without MoD certification (which the NRA can arrange), you don't get to shoot on them, NRA member or no.

Even if that's true it still doesn't make it an MoD Range in the normally accepted sense.

Sparks

Definitely doesn't make them British Army ranges Mr.Fibble, but since the MoD oversee the certification process that says whether or not you can shoot on them, and since the MoD write the rules as to what can and cannot be shot on them, I think you'd have to call them MoD ranges unless you had some fairly odd definition of what an MoD range was.