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Star Wars Old Republic Beta invites
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Game is extremely polished especially for a Beta, have only played up to level 10 so far but I have to say it's very impressive so far.
How they have incorporated actual RPG elements into normal levelling and questing is fantastic especially when playing with a friend who has a different mentality to you with one of you going towards dark tendency and the other light. Makes rolling for quest decisions interesting!!
Straight away you can tell leveling will be enjoyable and not a chore or grind. I told myself I would never play another MMO as they are too much of a time sink but after playing this I know I won't be able to pass it up.
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Game is extremely polished especially for a Beta, have only played up to level 10 so far but I have to say it's very impressive so far.
How they have incorporated actual RPG elements into normal levelling and questing is fantastic especially when playing with a friend who has a different mentality to you with one of you going towards dark tendency and the other light. Makes rolling for quest decisions interesting!!
Straight away you can tell leveling will be enjoyable and not a chore or grind. I told myself I would never play another MMO as they are too much of a time sink but after playing this I know I won't be able to pass it up.
True, but every recent game has "failed" (and I use the term very losely) because of the lack of decent end game with the released version.. Athough it's a beta, it will be released in a month so very little will change between now and then. Hopefully this one will will break the mould.0 -
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Apart from LOTRO which had a great launch, tons of leveling content but suffered from a huge lack of end game content I think most of the recent MMO's which I would class in the failed department had way more issues than just lacking an endgame.
Age of Conan was a bug ridden and rushed out the door game, had very little content to get you to max level, so many broken features like PvP and city building/city wars and was all over the place balance wise. The fact the Dev team didn't seem to have any idea post launch what direction the game was going in didn't help either.
Warhammer Online was another rushed out the door product that failed to deliver all the pre hyped and promised content and was a total mess to play.
DC Universe online again suffered from lack of content and any replay value for the player and again failed to deliver on promised additional content after launch. The lack of a proper UI and chat system on the PC version didn't help.
Star Trek Online was another rushed out the door game lacking content, factions, replay value and so much other promised pre launch content never mind the sheer lack of content post launch. A cash shop which sold content most other MMO's provide for free for a monthly subscription really drove away players.
Rift I feel could be a great game, but suffers from a serious lack of endgame content but the Dev team seem to be trying to fix it this issue.
The developers of all the above once AAA titles failed to see the that to make it in the rather full MMO market you need to release a quality product from day one and a botched game launch will kill you. There are just to many other MMO's never mind F2P MMO's out there these days to try and push out a rushed out the door product with the hope of fixing it further down the line as the days of EQ1 and UO being the only kids on the block are long past.
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I personally can put up with poor levelling content (I even put up with Aion grindfest), but if the end game sucks then everyone leaves.. unfortunately with the Beta's you don't really get to see the "proper" end game.
Fingers crossed SWTOR will be different, but I don't see much that is different from the other games to make this a success.. To be honest though, I'm not even sure what the end game is in SWTOR so I'm not in a position to comment much
Either way.. I'll be lined up in Early Access eager to try it out0 -
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I personally can put up with poor levelling content (I even put up with Aion grindfest), but if the end game sucks then everyone leaves.. unfortunately with the Beta's you don't really get to see the "proper" end game.
Fingers crossed SWTOR will be different, but I don't see much that is different from the other games to make this a success.. To be honest though, I'm not even sure what the end game is in SWTOR so I'm not in a position to comment much
Either way.. I'll be lined up in Early Access eager to try it out
For me endgame content while a must have for an MMO is something that can be added to a game a month or two after launch (max length of time tho) where a crappy leveling system or limited leveling routes is an issue that is never really fixable.
WoW, LOTRO and Warhammer got the level route right with multiple options so running an 2nd or 3rd alt character still gives you something new to see. Sadly its just the norm now that after hitting max level the first time round, there is nothing new to see when trying out a new class or race. Thankfully TOR and GW2 seem to offer lots of alt fodder content 0 -
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For me endgame content while a must have for an MMO is something that can be added to a game a month or two after launch (max length of time tho) where a crappy leveling system or limited leveling routes is an issue that is never really fixable.
WoW, LOTRO and Warhammer got the level route right with multiple options so running an 2nd or 3rd alt character still gives you something new to see. Sadly its just the norm now that after hitting max level the first time round, there is nothing new to see when trying out a new class or race. Thankfully TOR and GW2 seem to offer lots of alt fodder content
I suppose our posts show why it's difficult for developers, people want different elements from games Personally I don't mind a crappy levelling system and lack of diversity.. While I generally end up with multiple chars over time, I prefer to level one quickly and get to end game. I have little or no interest in dungeons, raids or alternative levelling paths (I generally don't even read quests ).. In fact, I prefer exactly the same levelling path, so I know where everything is, and I can get it done quickly.
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WOW - I think instanced pvp is pointless.. It's a fraction of the fun knowing you have the same numbers and a locked in small map area. Open rvr like DAOC is a ton more fun, where your 8 man can run around a corner into 100 enemies.
AoC - Bugged end game with immune people, no city sieges, points only for kill shots so healers get nothing.. no real point to the end game so people spawn camp
Aion - Apart from the grindfest, there was little to do at the end game. Flying was nice, but they implemented a timer, and with the small islands everything huddled on the main rocks as it was impossible to stay airborne and fight.
Warhammer - RVR was pointless.. It was just swapping flags for points, and the city instances were just a grind for gear (when they worked).. It's a pity because with DAOC they had it perfect with 3 realms and relics.
Rift - Had great potential, especially being able to swap builds on the fly, but again.. no real point to the rvr. It became an instanced grindfest because it was quicker.
Lotro - Nice quests etc. only got to mid 40's.. but no real rvr either
GW - Levelled up a toon, but never really enjoyed any part of it, so didn't try end game.
I think DAOC had it perfect, but it took a long time to get there.. 3 realms.. so the smaller 2 can synch up and fight against the 3rd. Really does help to balance out servers. Relics.. 6 relics, 3 gave strength bonus's and 3 gave power bonus's.. having 3 of each would give a 20% bonus to that stat.. there was a real point to taking a chain of keeps and holding them. It led to organised 5am raids with hundreds of people to capture your enemies relics etc. You got all the points individually to make your chars stonger like in most games, but the relics gave people a major purpose to work together.
Anyway, we shall see 0 -
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I couldn't care less about the end game content in ToR. The story aspect is the main thing that's got me excited. As long as the gameplay is good, and the story is good, i'm sold.
Also, i RSVP'd for the invite, but it still doesn't give me a date for the test. I'm assuming it's this weekend coming?
Im the opposite, story means nothing to me, i simply want good pve with loads of end game content mainly pve, i dont ask for much
I dont think i should pay a sub for a good story, i want long term appeal to keep me subbed, end game is the only real reason ill stay subbed long term.0 -
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I've never been an end game person tbh. Running the same dungeons in Warcraft over and over again nearly brought me to tears. Loved the setting, and enjoyed running them once or twice, but the endless grind just pissed me off. I'll happily pay a sub for this, even though i'll probably end up playing it as a single player rpg, with a chat room to talk to friends. Also, cause its Star Wars.
Maybe i'm missing the point off MMO's :pac:
Different end games for different people.
For some it's pve dungeons and raids.. for some (me) it's pvp avoiding pve where possible 0 -
I've never been an end game person tbh. Running the same dungeons in Warcraft over and over again nearly brought me to tears. Loved the setting, and enjoyed running them once or twice, but the endless grind just pissed me off. I'll happily pay a sub for this, even though i'll probably end up playing it as a single player rpg, with a chat room to talk to friends. Also, cause its Star Wars.
Maybe i'm missing the point off MMO's :pac:
I take your point but raiding end game in wow or aoc for example was never a grind to me personally, i always saw it as our weekly attempt at bosses, working out our own tactics etc and playing as a team is up there with my favourite moments in gaming.
As welease says different endgames for different people 0 -
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Thats what I'm doing.
I was going to do this but reading Swtor Forums there is a large amount of people in the same boat as me not able to log in and also getting the secret question wrong when you know it is right , there customer support are not answering and not returning emails . Kinda crap as it take me a while to download the client0 -
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