Freeman Megamerge

ohnonotgmail

Robbo wrote: »

It's been a while since we've had a sighting if Freeman Classicus in these parts but as ever, the border counties, provide.

*snip*

Pretty much a full house here:

• Petty motoring offences
• Personal sovereignty
• The law doesn't apply to me
• I'm only answerable to god
• The 1919 Constitution will see me right

you would nearly get nostalgic reading that.

whippet

Ben Gilroy post that to his Facebook page .. Little or no comment on his behalf - since the RTE program Ben tends not to get in to these discussions, but of course Ben wouldn't get in to that nonsense.

godtabh

Robbo wrote: »

It's been a while since we've had a sighting if Freeman Classicus in these parts but as ever, the border counties, provide.



Pretty much a full house here:

• Petty motoring offences
• Personal sovereignty
• The law doesn't apply to me
• I'm only answerable to god
• The 1919 Constitution will see me right

Do people like him fully believe in what they are saying? Is there serious mental health issues here that should be picked up on rather than laugh at the complete idiot of a man?

Graham

godtabh wrote: »

Do people like him fully believe in what they are saying? Is there serious mental health issues here that should be picked up on rather than laugh at the complete idiot of a man?

There's no downside to making such claims, at worst they will be ignored, at best they allow the individual to kick the legal issues down the road for a while by frustrating the legal process.

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Graham wrote: »

There's no downside to making such claims, at worst they will be ignored, at best they allow the individual to kick the legal issues down the road for a while by frustrating the legal process.

not only that .. there are people who get a kick out of being in the local papers and wearing the fools hat in public.

Usually the type of fella hanging on to the end of the bar at closing time on a Tuesday telling everyone how he would run the country; yet can't get out of the bed to do a day's work

For Forks Sake

Robbo wrote: »

It's been a while since we've had a sighting if Freeman Classicus in these parts but as ever, the border counties, provide.



Pretty much a full house here:

• Petty motoring offences
• Personal sovereignty
• The law doesn't apply to me
• I'm only answerable to god
• The 1919 Constitution will see me right

Esel

You couldn't make that crap up!

Grolschevik

Esel wrote:

You couldn't make that crap up!

Or, rather, it's completely made up!

Flange/Flanders

Doocey is spouting his usual bunch of absolute sh1te on facebook this evening......

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godtabh

That was hard to read.

If I wrote that and sent it to the Commissioner what would the consequences be? A lot of threats, accusations and slander.

jd

Doocey actually gives me the creeps. I'd worry if someone I knew fell out with him.

L1011

Does he want her to resign, then reply; or reply, then resign; or emigrate, then resign? The order he's written his demands in is rather nonsensical to say the least of the rest of the missive.

hullaballoo

Flange/Flanders wrote: »

Doocey is spouting his usual bunch of absolute sh1te on facebook this evening......

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Sorry, but you just copied and pasted a raft of text and it wasn't clear whether they were your own words or someone else's and, well, I'm sure you wouldn't like them to be attributed to you!

Endaaaagh

Did anything ever come of Gerry Beades threat to take Vincent Browne to court for assault over the incident at Gorse Hill a while back? I remember Beades making some big statement outside the house where he stated he was looking into suing Browne but haven't heard anything since.

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Endaaaagh wrote: »

Did anything ever come of Gerry Beades threat to take Vincent Browne to court for assault over the incident at Gorse Hill a while back? I remember Beades making some big statement outside the house where he stated he was looking into suing Browne but haven't heard anything since.

I don't think it was Jerry who made that threat .. I thought it was the enforcer looking dude with the shades who was knocking around by the gate.

As for the antics of the Mayo lads .. i'd give them a wide berth; you don't want to draw their attention .. from what they talk about online they would be liable to do anything.

ArmaniJeanss

whippet wrote: »

I don't think it was Jerry who made that threat .. I thought it was the enforcer looking dude with the shades who was knocking around by the gate.

As for the antics of the Mayo lads .. i'd give them a wide berth; you don't want to draw their attention .. from what they talk about online they would be liable to do anything.

Yeah, it was John "Joe Pesci" Martin who'd been both physically and mentally assaulted by VB and TV3, and was going to be chasing them under the law of tort.
Nothing ever seemed to come of it, surprisingly enough.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-land-league-member-to-make-official-complaint-to-gardai-about-tv3-broadcaster-vincent-browne-31043331.html

Flange/Flanders

hullaballoo wrote: »

Sorry, but you just copied and pasted a raft of text and it wasn't clear whether they were your own words or someone else's and, well, I'm sure you wouldn't like them to be attributed to you!

Screen shot next time so?!!

hullaballoo

Flange/Flanders wrote: »

Screen shot next time so?!!

Accompanied by a link to the original if you're doing it that way.

Thanks.

Torakx

Some questions I thought were best suited here.
Is my body my property?

If no, then why not? Is it seen as property? Or otherwise defined?

If yes, does that mean if a person is being charged in a criminal court, it could pertain to property rights or jurisdiction over property(the body)?

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Torakx wrote: »

Some questions I thought were best suited here.
Is my body my property?

If no, then why not? Is it seen as property? Or otherwise defined?

If yes, does that mean if a person is being charged in a criminal court, it could pertain to property rights or jurisdiction over property(the body)?

Would there be gift tax due if you gave your body to science?

Grolschevik

Torakx wrote: »

Some questions I thought were best suited here.
Is my body my property?

If no, then why not? Is it seen as property? Or otherwise defined?

If yes, does that mean if a person is being charged in a criminal court, it could pertain to property rights or jurisdiction over property(the body)?

Not law, but you might find Gerry Cohen's Self-Ownership, Freedom, and Equality interesting.

http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/politics-international-relations/political-theory/self-ownership-freedom-and-equality

Torakx

Grolschevik wrote: »

Not law, but you might find Gerry Cohen's Self-Ownership, Freedom, and Equality interesting.

http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/politics-international-relations/political-theory/self-ownership-freedom-and-equality

Thanks. It lead me to finding the answer.

Our minds are a part of our bodies, so no "I" can own the body it belongs to.
Another argument against self ownership, is that this thinking of "I" owning a body, could lead to slavery in some form.
I'm not sure how strong an argument that is though.


Here's another random query, if anyone can help.

Marc Stevens uses a philosophical technique in court hearings.
He asks for evidence of juridiction before the case is heard, by asking what evidence there is to show the constitution or any other law applies to the defendant.

I've looked into this and found that one reason given by someone, is that there is no need for evidence and that the opinion of the majority of that land mass, is that the laws apply to anyone on that land mass.
And so it does.

So it appears the judge could over rule any objections to jurisdiction, although from the looks of things they seem to throw it down to a lower court.
Possibly too risky a judgement to make at those levels, with that type of premise.

My question is whether all courts judgements are based on opinion or facts, or maybe both?
If a judgement must be based on facts, does Marc Stevens have a legitimate strategy?
Or should I be asking if jurisdiction is based on opinion or fact?

cobhguy28

Harry Rea has finally come out with a statement on his Facebook page about his loss in his Lisbon treaty case. Turns out through his logic he really has won and everone is congratulating him. What a world. The Hub has shared his victory on their page.

Robbo

cobhguy28 wrote: »

Harry Rea has finally come out with a statement on his Facebook page about his loss in his Lisbon treaty case. Turns out through his logic he really has won and everone is congratulating him. What a world. The Hub has shared his victory on their page.

I saw that. It seems he's trying to tie his own family law situation into it as well.

I'm sure the Hub shared it because it fits entirely within their "a loss is a win" strategy. Worryingly, they're appearing here and there in national media outlets at the moment without any scrutiny of their methods or track record. His Lordship has announced he's ready for all media enquiries and was even invited to the "Royal Oireachtas" recently to talk to some committee.

GavMan

Robbo wrote: »

I saw that. It seems he's trying to tie his own family law situation into it as well.

I'm sure the Hub shared it because it fits entirely within their "a loss is a win" strategy. Worryingly, they're appearing here and there in national media outlets at the moment without any scrutiny of their methods or track record. His Lordship has announced he's ready for all media enquiries and was even invited to the "Royal Oireachtas" recently to talk to some committee.

Committee is a stretch. They attended at the invitation of fellow crank Seamus Healy. They met with Sean Crowe, Eugene Murphy, Pat Buckley, Thomas Pringle, Dara Calleary, Martin Ferris, Sean Flemming, Carol Nolan, Mattie McGrath, Ann Rabbitte, Eoin O'Broin and reps for RBB and Joan Collins.

A rag tag bunch if ever I saw it. Disappointing to see FF engage with this populist muppets. But then it seems to be the avenue they're going down now...

Benevolent Misanthrope

GavMan wrote: »

A rag tag bunch if ever I saw it. Disappointing to see FF engage with this populist muppets. But then it seems to be the avenue they're going down now...

What are Fianna Fáil but populists?

ArmaniJeanss

Another fake Hub page, mildly amusing mostly for the apoplectic reaction of the Hub followers.

Robbo

It's not often you get to invoke Jose Mourinho in this thread but when I heard of his current contractual difficulties, I couldn't help but think that if he'd consulted Ben Gilroy he'd be having a much easier time.

Ben would have "copyrighted" his name for a low-low fee and offered top advice on how to charge people tens of thousands every time they address a letter to you. Or perhaps with their shady money and Bond villain owner, Chelsea have Ben of the Ancient Clan Giolla Rua as their advisor....

Robbo

Gerry Beades is suing all of Europe's financial regulators and all of Europe's Central Banks. Yes, all of them.

Gerry is of course doing this to fight corruption. As he did when he was on the National Executive of Fianna Fail during the Bertie years. In fact his distaste for corruption is so strong that he's in business these days in Qatar, famous for their whiter-than-white bid for the World Cup and excellent treatment of workers.

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Robbo wrote: »

Gerry Beades is suing all of Europe's financial regulators and all of Europe's Central Banks. Yes, all of them.

Gerry is of course doing this to fight corruption. As he did when he was on the National Executive of Fianna Fail during the Bertie years. In fact his distaste for corruption is so strong that he's in business these days in Qatar, famous for their whiter-than-white bid for the World Cup and excellent treatment of workers.

if he tries to run away from debts in Qatar he might get a different reception to what he gets here.

Serjeant Buzfuz

whippet wrote: »

if he tries to run away from debts in Qatar he might get a different reception to what he gets here.

He'd risk being known as a one armed bandit in both senses.....

TJJP

Few pics from athboy today (sorry mobile site sucks, I'll upload later).

Serjeant Buzfuz

TJJP wrote: »

Few pics from athboy today (sorry mobile site sucks, I'll upload later).

Granahan and Manning up on charges in Castlebar District Court tomorrow over the Court invasion last September will be interesting to see what their defence is...

Canadel

Serjeant Buzfuz wrote: »

Granahan and Manning up on charges in Castlebar District Court tomorrow over the Court invasion last September will be interesting to see what their defence is...

Any idea of the time?

I wouldn't mind going in for a wander.

Serjeant Buzfuz

Canadel wrote: »

Any idea of the time?

I wouldn't mind going in for a wander.

It's a fairly short list starting at 1030, the awkward squad might slow things down but I expect the cases will be reached before noon

Serjeant Buzfuz

Put back 2 weeks for a different Judge to deal with pre trial applications

Robbo

Robbo wrote: »

I see that Dermot Murphy's application for some sort of injunction against Irish Water was adjourned. Turns out he didn't bother with an affidavit of service or sending some of the exhibits to the other side. More classic advice given.

Over the course of a year and a half, Demot didn't really learn or refine his technique according to the published judgment.

Highlights include:

• Wanting to stop Irish Water from trespassing on "his property" which turned out to be the public footpath.
• Admitting to a criminal offence in removing a water meter.
• Using an article from the Mail as his "dynamite" evidence.
• Failing to give an undertaking as to damages, one of the essential ingredients of any application for an injunction

Another person might take this kind of resounding defeat on the chin but it's been appealed to the Court of Appeal.

Robbo

I've noticed a couple of new magic signs recently.



This one is apparently being used by Ben, possibly in the Sunbed Standoff. It's in the classic Totally-Not-A-Freeman style of referring to commercial courts, sovereign everything and supreme authority.

If he'd done a bit more research, he'll have found that invoking Article 40.5 requires a little more than a magic sign.



This one is endorsed by Dermot Murphy and is a handy way to make €10,000 in a hurry. Put one up, park like an idiot and wait for the clampers to pay up. A rock solid investment.

Grolschevik

Robbo wrote: »

I've noticed a couple of new magic signs recently.


This one is endorsed by Dermot Murphy and is a handy way to make €10,000 in a hurry. Put one up, park like an idiot and wait for the clampers to pay up. A rock solid investment.

Did you count the strings on the harp?

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How does mr Murphy keep claiming victory? Apart from an obvious lack of understanding of the law

For Forks Sake

Robbo wrote: »

I've noticed a couple of new magic signs recently.

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Needs more Éire....or is it now Eiré... gobsh1tes.

ArmaniJeanss

IF YOU ENTER PASS THIS POINT.

Nice bit of proofreading there, and arguably* gives it the opposite meaning to that which they intend.

(* in the AJ court of grammar anyway)

Flange/Flanders

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2016/06/01/4120822-protestors-ejected-from-castlebar-court/

Fred Swanson

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For Forks Sake

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jd

relax carry on wrote:

Anyone watch II's video regarding yesterday's court room antics? Insightful as always.

Was that just removed? Who/which page or group is it?

Fred Swanson

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nuac

Video of recent antics at Castlebar District court deleted.

Defamatory statements

Please do not repost that here

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Losty Dublin

Robbo wrote: »

I've noticed a couple of new magic signs recently.



This one is apparently being used by Ben, possibly in the Sunbed Standoff. It's in the classic Totally-Not-A-Freeman style of referring to commercial courts, sovereign everything and supreme authority. .

Ben™ of the family ™ actually lashed one of these up on a house in Cabra.

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Losty Dublin wrote: »

Ben™ of the family ™ actually lashed one of these up on a house in Cabra.

As with all things Ben posts he removes his presence from anything that can be considered freeman related. He posted as if he just stumbled upon that sign and decided to take a load of photographs of a strangers property.

He wouldn't want a repeat of that RTE in investigation would he