Freeman Megamerge

Flange/Flanders

I have to say, im getting some amusement out of all the mud slinging and accusations being thrown about on the various Facebook pages.

JimmytheTurk

Yes, poor old not a doc manning has been found out by his closest allies. Who will be his election agent now?

Little CuChulainn

I heard a familiar voice on the radio when I turned it on this morning. He spoke of how the country is run by foreign bankers and how it could have been stopped if only we had direct democracy back in our constitution.

Robbo

DDI have issued a health warning about their Wikipedia page. There appears to have been a low level edit war going on (again!) where one Wikipedia editor is taking grave offence to them being regarded as right wing.

If I wanted to whitewash the party and deny it's shady history, where they stand on the political spectrum would be the least of my worries.

For Forks Sake

Fred Swanson

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Serjeant Buzfuz

JimmytheTurk wrote: »

Yes, poor old not a doc manning has been found out by his closest allies. Who will be his election agent now?

Gerry "Bmw" O'Boyle?

Onevision

All hell has broken out on manning's facebook page as he works furiously to delete comments from the numerous people that he has upset. Also on the facebook pages of his once closest allies, the criticism is coming thick and fast as they feel manning has betrayed them. I'm afraid his deposit is a goner!

For Forks Sake,

Why have you put that up? Are you supporting STM?

cobhguy28

looks like its all over for the banks


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It is Friday, just after 9:30 PM, the 12th of February 2016,
put that date in your diary: the day that the face of Irish banking changed: it went red, then it went redder and redder again.
We have waited a few weeks before posting this news, it is ground shattering: we have, with other groups been working in the background, getting the ducks in a row and confirming everything.
The details you are about to see is now before the Courts up and down the country, is about to go into the High Court, snap shot: the Irish Banks have known about this problem for years but have always hoped it would go away……… lads, “that it has not”.
The problem has cost the German banks over 10 Billion: because of the information given to us, freely, we are about to cost the Irish Banks the same: ready?
Give the house back!!!! But take a breath before you accuse us of going back on our word!!!!!
Yes there is that option now, basically the cancellation of the contract because the banks basically blow it.
If your mortgage was signed off of the banks premises then it is nil and void, via a broker etc.
There is precedence on the above: all over Europe, UK: there are a few cases around the Circuit Court where those concerned have applied the EU Directive but we intend to push it to the High Court………
So consider how long you have had the mortgage, what deposit you put down, how much you have actually paid etc. What is the value of your property today? And what can you buy in today’s market if you got all the money back?
But if it is not for you: think about the leverage, you would almost be blackmailing them into a deal, “talk to me or I invoke the European legislation/directive 85/577 EEC being the European Communities Cancellation of contracts negotiated away from business premises Act 1989.
The loophole that may help some people, not all and we stress ‘not all’.
Judgement of the Court: Case C-350/03: Elisabeth Schulte and Wolfgang Schulte v Deutsche Bausparkasse Badenia AG
Judgment of the Court (Sixth Chamber) of 13 December 2001. Georg Heininger and Helga Heininger v Bayerische Hypo- und Vereinsbank AG. Reference for a preliminary ruling: Bundesgerichtshof - Germany. Consumer protection - Doorstep selling - Right of cancellation - Agreement to grant credit secured by charge on immovable property. Case C-481/99.
Judgment of the Court (Second Chamber) of 25 October 2005. Crailsheimer Volksbank eG v Klaus Conrads and Others. Reference for a preliminary ruling: Hanseatisches Oberlandesgericht in Bremen - Germany. Consumer protection - Contracts negotiated away from business premises - Loan agreement linked to property purchase concluded in a doorstep-selling situation - Right of cancellation. Case C-229/04.
Judgment of the Court (First Chamber) of 10 April 2008. Annelore Hamilton v Volksbank Filder eG. Reference for a preliminary ruling: Oberlandesgericht Stuttgart - Germany. Consumer protection - Contracts negotiated away from business premises - Directive 85/577/EEC - First paragraph of Article 4 and Article 5(1) - Contract for long-term credit - Right of cancellation. Case C-412/06.
Judgment of the Court (First Chamber) of 17 December 2009. Eva Martín Martín v EDP Editores SL. Reference for a preliminary ruling: Audiencia Provincial de Salamanca - Spain. Directive 85/577/EEC - Article 4 - Consumer protection - Contracts negotiated away from business premises - Right of cancellation - Obligation on the trader to give notice of that right - Contract void - Appropriate measures. Case C-227/08
The Bomb just went off, big time. Enjoy your Friday night.







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Just a few slight issues.

"the special feature of contracts concluded away from the business premises of the trader is that as a rule it is the trader who initiates the contract negotiations, for which the consumer is unprepared or which he does not [expect]; … the consumer is often unable to compare the quality and price of the offer with other offers;

1 The Contract was initiated at your bank, it does not matter where it was concluded, so the legislation does not apply.
2 The legislation does not apply to property.
3 All mortgages I have seen always have had a cooling off period.

whippet

tom Darcy has kicked off his election campaign ......... by defacing election posters !!!

expectationlost

whippet wrote: »

tom Darcy has kicked off his election campaign ......... by defacing election posters !!!

he is not runnning in Dublin Bay North https://www.dublincityreturningofficer.com/2016_general_election/notice_of_poll/notice-of-poll-dublin-bay-north.pdf so I don't think he running at all, which leaves all he can do is deface posters and support Mattie McGrath

Robbo

cobhguy28 wrote: »

Just a few slight issues.

"the special feature of contracts concluded away from the business premises of the trader is that as a rule it is the trader who initiates the contract negotiations, for which the consumer is unprepared or which he does not [expect]; … the consumer is often unable to compare the quality and price of the offer with other offers;

1 The Contract was initiated at your bank, it does not matter where it was concluded, so the legislation does not apply.
2 The legislation does not apply to property.
3 All mortgages I have seen always have had a cooling off period.

Even their own true believers in the comments are having a hard time buying that. Still, they need to keep coming up with new angles and semi-plausible schemes to keep the whole show on the road, keep the donations running in.

Their nakedly profit-making buddies around the corner in Lay Litigation Ireland have just taken the time to answer the question: "what success have you had?"

Their answer appears to be that they'll sort out photocopying and collating papers for you. Which apparently is a result.



To give you an idea as to their level of delusion, some months ago I was walking by "judges entrance" gate of the Four Courts. There was a bit of a commotion at the gate and the person in front kept going on about how they needed to get their "client" in and that they should be let through the gate without a pass. Everything was terribly important and huge issues were at stake, don't you understand, I'm entitled to...blah blah blah. The security guard was having none of it and explained that a card was necessary and that was that.

Eventually they stormed off to the public front gate. The person leading their "client" was one of the leading lights at LLI. Total space cadet.

Thargor

We get asked regularly "what success have you had?"
We succeed on a daily basis because we partner up with our clients and give them the tools to go off and fight their battle.
Take the photo attached for example.
What you are looking at is six (6) ring binders prepared by a client, complete with the plaintiff banks pleadings, our clients (defendant) pleadings and his supporting case law and legislation for an application to set aside a possession order.
Preparation is key and if you are going into an arena such as a court room against practicing lawyers you better be damm well prepared because it's the equivalent of going up against gladiators without a shield and sword.
Best wishes to all our clients in court this coming week.
Find out what we can do for you, 0872513604.

"What you are looking at is six (6) ring binders prepared by a client"

Hahaha, how to pretend to be a solicitor 101 there...

whippet

Thargor wrote: »

"What you are looking at is six (6) ring binders prepared by a client"

Hahaha, how to pretend to be a solicitor 101 there...

there was a couple of girls in my class in college who were great with ring binders. They had all the notes for 4 years neatly organised, hand written notes, exam papers and assignments.

It all looked fantastic .. and yet they failed almost half their final exams as they hadn't a notion what it all meant .. but it looked good.

Graham

That's hilarious

Q. So Lay Litigation Ireland, how do you measure success.

A. In ring binders.

whippet

Graham wrote: »

That's hilarious

Q. So Lay Litigation Ireland, how do you measure success.

A. In ring binders.

explains how they claim to be so successful and never lose a case.

For Forks Sake

Onevision wrote: »

For Forks Sake,

Why have you put that up? Are you supporting STM?

Comedy value only.

ohnonotgmail

whippet wrote: »

explains how they claim to be so successful and never lose a case.

well of course they never lose a case. they are all neatly filed in binders.

JimmytheTurk

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Comedy value only.

Yes, it's a big joke!

Robbo

cobhguy28 wrote: »

Just a few slight issues.

"the special feature of contracts concluded away from the business premises of the trader is that as a rule it is the trader who initiates the contract negotiations, for which the consumer is unprepared or which he does not [expect]; … the consumer is often unable to compare the quality and price of the offer with other offers;

1 The Contract was initiated at your bank, it does not matter where it was concluded, so the legislation does not apply.
2 The legislation does not apply to property.
3 All mortgages I have seen always have had a cooling off period.

Further issues with this have been pointed out to the true believers and they still accept it as gospel.

1. The Directive referred to has been repealed and recast
2. The judgment states that there's nothing wrong with Member States limiting it in relation to immovable property. Which Ireland did in SI 224/1989
3. The implementation of the recast directive (SI 484/2013) makes a further mockery of their line of thinking in that it excludes "financial services" and "contracts for the creation, acquisition or transfer of immovable property or of rights in immovable property"

They also genuinely have no ****ing clue of how EU law interacts with Irish law and seem to think that it's just one more step in an endless appeals process, where their paperwork will be accepted no questions asked.

PopePalpatine

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well of course they never lose a case. they are all neatly filed in binders.

They've got binders full of legal law lawyers. :pac:

eldamo

PopePalpatine wrote: »

They've got binders full of legal law lawyers. :pac:

Mitt Romney approves.

Robbo

Another receiver has had to take proceedings against Ben Gilroy and others. He's due in the High Court tomorrow. In one set of proceedings, it appears he's been "advising" a tanning salon.

2016/948 and 2016/949 are the record numbers, both listed for tomorrow.

Robbo

Turns out there was a motion to eject Ben Gilroy from his house yesterday in Trim. No word from himself on the matter as he's entirely focused on electoral stunts at the moment though. (Record Number 2014/EJ153).

Co-incidentally the "legal hand grenade" that the Hub had concocted of entirely incorrect European Law was also "detonated" yesterday in Trim. Apparently it gained that most Hubbish of victories, an adjournment. On the adjourned date, the motion to have the mortgage "cancelled" because of the Hubs magic bull**** will also be heard.

ArmaniJeanss

Robbo wrote: »

Turns out there was a motion to eject Ben Gilroy from his house yesterday in Trim. No word from himself on the matter as he's entirely focused on electoral stunts at the moment though. (Record Number 2014/EJ153).

Claiming that the election van he has was 'confiscated' by him from Irish Water and that he found a load of water meters in it when he came to use it. An unlikely story even by his standards but the crowd love it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207253411725890&set=a.1257492649733.2037574.1602139917&type=3&theater

Interesting to see him discussing why he wasn't invited to the rte leaders debate last night - he seems to have forgotten that the biggest reason would be is that he supposedly isn't leader anymore. He resigned, Jan Van de Vanman had it for a while, quietly disappeared and then Pat Greene got the gig. But Ben seems to see himself as the leader but hey thats democracy ben-style for you.

Thargor

Robbo wrote: »

Turns out there was a motion to eject Ben Gilroy from his house yesterday in Trim. No word from himself on the matter as he's entirely focused on electoral stunts at the moment though. (Record Number 2014/EJ153).

Any more info?

whippet

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Claiming that the election van he has was 'confiscated' by him from Irish Water and that he found a load of water meters in it when he came to use it. An unlikely story even by his standards but the crowd love it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207253411725890&set=a.1257492649733.2037574.1602139917&type=3&theater

Interesting to see him discussing why he wasn't invited to the rte leaders debate last night - he seems to have forgotten that the biggest reason would be is that he supposedly isn't leader anymore. He resigned, Jan Van de Vanman had it for a while, quietly disappeared and then Pat Greene got the gig. But Ben seems to see himself as the leader but hey thats democracy ben-style for you.

what a tool.

The guy is 100% full of sh1te.

Losty Dublin

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Claiming that the election van he has was 'confiscated' by him from Irish Water and that he found a load of water meters in it when he came to use it. An unlikely story even by his standards but the crowd love it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207253411725890&set=a.1257492649733.2037574.1602139917&type=3&theater

I'll cut to the chase here; did he acquire this van through less than conventional means?

moyners

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I'll cut to the chase here; did he acquire this van through less than conventional means?

The van in that photo is way too old to be an Irish water van.

whippet

I'd say he got the van from one of his mates who was going around removing water meters (fairies I think they called them)

Remember LLI, the hub, anti eviction Ireland, the land league, people for economic justice, DDI, Darcy and a load of water meter protest groups are all just one big group of dole jockies who knock around together to give themselves some sort of justification not to be working or paying their own bills