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    #6002
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Sorry I didn't know the hub done affidavits, for people. when did they start that service?


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    #6003
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,440 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Robbo wrote: »
    It's been a while so I decided to check in on Lord Byron and The Hub-Ireland, who we've established long ago don't charge, don't actively beg and don't have certain lifestyles to be maintained.

    It turns out they're quite busy declaring the Constitution (and therefore the State) invalid, declaring banks invalid (spoiler alert, KBC is a plc and under no obligation to convert), claiming they don't give advice but also drafting affidavits that their "clients" haven't a breeze about. Business as usual then, donations to the usual address.

    In other news, the High Court Central Office are now looking for ID from *everyone* who files papers with them as apparently some fake law firms were basically acting as town agents and filing personal appearances on behalf of others.

    dont you have to be a solicitor to act as a town agent?


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    #6004
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Sorry why claim the hub do affidavits if you can't back it up, who in the hub is doing affidavits for clients ? Can you please name them so we can get this delt with


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    #6005
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,440 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    chewey louis wrote: »
    Sorry why claim the hub do affidavits if you can't back it up, who in the hub is doing affidavits for clients ? Can you please name them so we can get this delt with


    did you click on any of the links in his post? this one for instance https://www.facebook.com/irishselfhelpzone/posts/700005173489600

    it looks very much like they are writing affidavits to me and dont mind anybody knowing.


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    #6006
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    I honestly don't have time to explaine section 110 of the tax laws it's quiet complicated and you obviously have no intrest in this issue if you can't be bothered to do some reaseech yourself


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    #6007
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    chewey louis wrote: »
    I honestly don't have time to explaine section 110 of the tax laws it's quiet complicated and no obviously have no intrest in this if you can't be bothered to do some reaseech yourself

    Who asked you to explain tax laws?

    Question was, which of the vulture funds have charitable status as per your previous claim?


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    #6008
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,726 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Here are some explains for why the government governmented:
    impr0v wrote: »
    There are a few disconnected points that occur to me after watching.

    First: it's striking how naive people are. They expect these specialist businesses to exhibit some kind of conscience. That's not business.

    Second: it's easy to moan about the profits the funds made now, when the assets have recovered. Many of the funds gambled on these assets and would have had to eat the losses if things didn't work out this way. It doesn't sit well with me that we, as a country, are moaning about this now, when we were very happy to take the cash when we needed it.

    Third: Noonan is getting a lot of flak on Twitter. His brief was to plug the sinking ship with cash. He did that. At some cost to his health too, it should be said. He made a relatively good fist of a very poor situation. Funds were the only show in town.

    Fourth: Paddy is surprised that his offer of cash to buy out his house at its current valuation is rejected. Of course it has. Paddy just identified himself as a mark, which can be squeezed to offset the loss (or smaller profit) made on someone who simply cannot pay.

    More broadly: the funds take a gamble on the portfolio as a whole, and the portfolios are mixed for a reason. If the better assets could be picked out the dross would be unsellable and would remain with the state.

    Finally: debt is debt. If the borrower could repay the loan that it obtained them it wouldn't matter to whom the debt was sold. The borrower can still avail of the same terms - interest rate, repayments, etc.


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    #6009
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Please watch the programe it will explain it slowly for you and you can pause it as well


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    #6010
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    It looks very much like, FFS go into gilligan and tell him it looks very much like and see what happens, have you a name of the person you claim are doing affidavits or not ?


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    #6011
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,828 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    chewey louis wrote: »
    I honestly don't have time to explaine section 110 of the tax laws it's quiet complicated and you obviously have no intrest in this issue if you can't be bothered to do some reaseech yourself

    I'm honestly not sure you understand it enough to explain to begin with. Have you any sources for your knowledge bar one video?


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    #6012
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Bar one video from RTE made by Ian Keogh from the Sunday Business Post, no I have nothing but that to assist me, I think stephen Donnelly made some comments in the Dail and and I think the journal done a few pieces on same but apart from that I have nothing just hearsay I suppose 😂😂😂


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    #6013
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    L1011 wrote: »
    I'm honestly not sure you understand it enough to explain to begin with. Have you any sources for your knowledge bar one video?
    chewey louis wrote: »
    Bar one video from RTE made by Ian Keogh from the Sunday Business Post, no I have nothing but that to assist me, I think stephen Donnelly made some comments in the Dail and and I think the journal done a few pieces on same but apart from that I have nothing just hearsay I suppose 😂😂😂

    That would be a no then.

    Roughly translated; I saw it on the telly and I think a couple of other blokes talked about it once.


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    #6014
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,828 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    chewey louis wrote: »
    but apart from that I have nothing just hearsay I suppose 😂😂😂

    I think "apart from that" is inaccurate here. You have nothing, just hearsay.


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    #6015
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    No not at all, I am willing to put it on an affidavit but where can I get one of those done, well it looks like the hub are doing them or maybe there not, but sure lets post about it anyway, roughly translated throw out any old ****e and hope no one will notice,😜


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    #6016
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Your the one who said I had one video, why the change of heart


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    #6017
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    chewey louis wrote: »
    No not at all, I am willing to put it on an affidavit but where can I get one of those done

    There's really no need for the amateur dramatics.

    You said there were vulture funds with charitable status.

    You were asked which ones.

    You either know and can name them, or you don't know.


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    #6018
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    They were not named individually and I won't be naming any here, can you imagine if I made a statement that turned out to be false, the people who were defamed would wait a while and let me post more and more factual inaccuracies and then when the time was right they would roll up to judge gilligan and ask him for a Norwich pharmacual order to reveal my IP address so they could sue my ass, so you won't have any dangerous statements out of me, I can't afford to be sued for damages over false statements and caracter asasanations Anyway if you really want to know please watch the programme and let me know what you think, and remember to keep posting 😂😂😂


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    #6019
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,828 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    chewey louis wrote: »
    They were not named individually and I won't be naming any here, can you imagine if I made a statement that turned out to be false, the people who were defamed would wait a while and let me post more and more factual inaccuracies and then when the time was right they would roll up to judge gilligan and ask him for a Norwich pharmacual order to reveal my IP address so they could sue my ass, so you won't have any dangerous statements out of me, I can't afford to be sued for damages over false statements and caracter asasanations Anyway if you really want to know please watch the programme and let me know what you think, and remember to keep posting 😂😂😂

    So you've no names and no proof?


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    #6020
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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    #6021
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    only what Ian Keogh from the SBP, Stephen Donnelly , the journal the indo and various articles in various media outlets, so I have nothing really, so it looks like it, will that not do


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    #6022
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,828 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    chewey louis wrote: »
    only what Ian Keogh from the SBP, Stephen Donnelly , the journal the indo and various articles in various media outlets, so I have nothing really, so it looks like it, will that not do

    You have hearsay. Not evidence - or even primary sources.


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    #6023
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Sorry I do apologise I am to busy laughing here


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    #6024
    whippet
    Registered Users Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭whippet


    chewey louis wrote: »
    only what Ian Keogh from the SBP, Stephen Donnelly , the journal the indo and various articles in various media outlets, so I have nothing really, so it looks like it, will that not do

    But are the media not all being controlled by a Caribbean tycoon who ensures that the likes of RTE and all other so-called MSM hide the truth and keep the sheeple in the dark ...


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    #6025
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Well if you watched rte dip there toe in reality last night you would have seen them interview anti eviction people based in Span, Could they not find one person in Ireland or one grope who are involved in preventing evictions ?


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    #6026
    whippet
    Registered Users Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭whippet


    chewey louis wrote: »
    Well if you watched rte dip there toe in reality last night you would have seen them interview anti eviction people based in Span, Could they not find one person in Ireland or one grope who are involved in preventing evictions ?

    They did interview someone from an Irish house network or something who was in the PAH office. Jerry Beades and some other have gotten plenty of air time on RTÉ over the last few years. Just because they don't give credence to your chosen messiahs you can't accuse them of bias.

    RTÉ would be doing a public disservice if they gave air time to psuedo legal advisers and professional debt dodgers


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    #6027
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Have not seen it but curious, did "The Great Irish Sell Off" ask the question if loans were being sold at a great discount why was the borrower not offered the opportunity to buy this loan at a discount?


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    #6028
    SkinnyBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭SkinnyBuddha


    schmittel wrote: »
    why was the borrower not offered the opportunity to buy this loan at a discount?

    they weren't sold individually and also in fairness if the borrower couldn't afford the mortgage they'd hardly have the cash to buy it anyway.


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    #6029
    whippet
    Registered Users Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭whippet


    schmittel wrote: »
    Have not seen it but curious, did "The Great Irish Sell Off" ask the question if loans were being sold at a great discount why was the borrower not offered the opportunity to buy this loan at a discount?

    They were distressed assets .. repayments were not being made on them or were in default ... how would the borrower be able to buy them out right?

    The economy was in the sh1tter ... no decision was going to be the correct one .. the government needed the cash and these funds were the only source of this cash , who could buy everything quickly.

    There are a number of issues and by reading the headlines you will only muddy the water.

    Yes the government made mistakes, the tax loop hole is a scandal, and the lack of any security for tenants is a disgrace. However ... groups who advocate the total and complete opposition to any sort of eviction / repossession are just clowns.

    On one hand people bemoan how mortgage interest rates are to high .. yet are against repossessing properties when in default. If banks can't get security on the debt they give out the will need to charge higher interest to compensate for the inevitable won't pay / can't pay.

    It's a very complex issue, as a nation we got into the biggest hole possible and getting out of that hole was always going to be a trial and error process but no matter what it was going to be painful.


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    #6030
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭hometruths


    SkinnyBuddha wrote: »
    they weren't sold individually and also in fairness if the borrower couldn't afford the mortgage they'd hardly have the cash to buy it anyway.

    that was my next question. I often get frustrated by this much touted argument that if the loans were available at a discount the borrower should be offered the opportunity to buy them?!

    If they can't afford to pay the monthly payment they can't afford to buy the mortgage. End of story.

    Unless of course they're a strategic defaulter which is a whole different can of worms.


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    #6031
    chewey louis
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭chewey louis


    Sorry my point was they made a programme about assets in Ireland yet did not interview any of the people involved in anti evictions, let it be Gerry Beads the Hub Ireland the Anti eviction task force to see what there views were, but it makes no odds now the assets are sold and the tax is not collected so to late now


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