Freeman Megamerge

Holy Mary

Or Maybe in God he Trusts?


Who were the guys he was apparently defending?

They do not seem to be getting much of a mention for some strange reason.

How odd

Perhaps this article from 2010 may give us a clue.

1st of November 2010
Source RTE News.

Former Irish Nationwide Chief Executive Michael Fingleton has had a €13.6m judgment for an unpaid property loan awarded against him by the Commercial Court.

Fianna F Senator Francie O'Brien and two Monaghan property developers Noel Mulligan, from Castleshane, and Charles McGuinness, Tully House, also had judgments awarded against them for €12m.

The action was taken by Ulster Bank to recover a loan taken out by the four in 2006 to buy a 50-acre site at Farnham Road in Cavan.

Robbo

whippet wrote: »

He's more interested in spinning the story as to how it got in to the media as he didn't see any press in the court room .... clutching at straws ( or straw men)

The story was in the paper because a printed judgment was circulated.

That judgment has been published online now and it's not a good look for Ben.

For a start, a skilled advocate like Ben who knows the Real Law™ might be a bit embarrassed to have to apply for Legal Aid in order to plead guilty to contempt.

Ben goes Full Metal Freeman by suggesting that judges "had no jurisdiction over me" and appears to be involved in a Magic Trust scheme. This type of operation has been covered numerous times in this thread including Charlie Allen's cash-for-paper Rodolphus Allen Trust which sounds awfully like what's described in Ben's infamous affidavit:

“The said threats required me to fully inform their society members of what property was transferred from Seamus McQuaid to an irrevocable private contract trust. Some of the property had charges registered in favour of a banking cartel and there is an undeniable link between banking cartels and this semi-secretive society.”

In the end, counsel acting on behalf of Ireland's most famous pseudo-lawyer asked for a 3 month vacation to be turned into community service because he was very, very sorry. Such a common theme in this thread that whenever one of these "experts" has their own particular backside in the bacon slicer, they climb down and employ professional legal representation.

ohnonotgmail

Robbo wrote: »

The story was in the paper because a printed judgment was circulated.

That judgment has been published online now and it's not a good look for Ben.

For a start, a skilled advocate like Ben who knows the Real Law™ might be a bit embarrassed to have to apply for Legal Aid in order to plead guilty to contempt.

Ben goes Full Metal Freeman by suggesting that judges "had no jurisdiction over me" and appears to be involved in a Magic Trust scheme. This type of operation has been covered numerous times in this thread including Charlie Allen's cash-for-paper Rodolphus Allen Trust which sounds awfully like what's described in Ben's infamous affidavit:

In the end, counsel acting on behalf of Ireland's most famous pseudo-lawyer asked for a 3 month vacation to be turned into community service because he was very, very sorry. Such a common theme in this thread that whenever one of these "experts" has their own particular backside in the bacon slicer, they climb down and employ professional legal representation.

Did he sound like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYOZ3IzRaf4

ArmaniJeanss

Robbo wrote: »

Ben goes Full Metal Freeman by suggesting that judges "had no jurisdiction over me" and appears to be involved in a Magic Trust scheme. This type of operation has been covered numerous times in this thread including Charlie Allen's cash-for-paper Rodolphus Allen Trust which sounds awfully like what's described in Ben's infamous affidavit:

Its the Morrigan Private Settlement Trust I think, with company directors Charles McGuinness (a name in your court report) and a Bernard Gilroy.
http://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/The-Morrigan-Private-Settlement-Trust-Operations-Limited-588419

whippet

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Its the Morrigan Private Settlement Trust I think, with company directors Charles McGuinness (a name in your court report) and a Bernard Gilroy.
http://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/The-Morrigan-Private-Settlement-Trust-Operations-Limited-588419

It also shows that that mr Gilroy was previously a director of City Colleges Education ltd ?


By all accounts it seems that the chickens are coming home to roost and these chancers are eventually running out of rope ... all they have succeeded in doing is delaying and frustrating the legal system.

However .. the 99% of their supporters won't even read the judgment so will just lap up the spin they fire out on Facebook

Robbo

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Its the Morrigan Private Settlement Trust I think, with company directors Charles McGuinness (a name in your court report) and a Bernard Gilroy.
http://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/The-Morrigan-Private-Settlement-Trust-Operations-Limited-588419

Very weird that the registered address is the same as a well known professional services firm.

whippet wrote: »

It also shows that that mr Gilroy was previously a director of City Colleges Education ltd ?

Maybe he's giving FE-1 grinds?

Holy Mary

Interesting. Yes.
Surprising? No.

The plot does not really thicken.

It just becomes more apparent.

Robbo

We have a new entrant to this thread, a William Murphy, who apparently has acted as McKenzie friend for some time. It seems he became involved in a number of High Court and Court of Appeal actions which have been found to be an abuse of process.

As is so often the case, the debtors here didn't exactly do things by halves. Total borrowings here were nearly €2 million and 120 acres plus was used as security. It seems that services offered by Murphy include drafting and "advising on an abuse of process upon abuse of process, which has wasted court resources" (at para 43).

It seems a number of familiar Freeman tactics were used here including the registration of numerous lis pendens and the lodging of High Court papers solely to manufacture a lis pendens. There were also leases produced in an attempt to frustrate the receiver and broad, unparticularised and unsustainable claims of fraud.

What was particularly interesting here is that Twomey J is of the opinion that it's entirely within the power of the Court to make an Isaac Wunder order which applies to a McKenzie friend. This would prevent him from acting as a McKenzie friend to anyone without the prior approval of the High Court. It was only due to the benevolence of the bank that this wasn't sought.

Holy Mary

Millions made on the black market of unregulated legal advice.

Rodney, This time next year we will be millionaires.

PeadarCo

Robbo wrote:

We have a new entrant to this thread, a William Murphy, who apparently has acted as McKenzie friend for some time. It seems he became involved in a number of High Court and Court of Appeal actions which have

A genuine question. How long do reports like in the one you quoted take to prepare? It looks to an untrained eye to be relatively simple as things go. It still looks that alot of time still had to be put into it though.

hullaballoo

PeadarCo wrote: »

A genuine question. How long do reports like in the one you quoted take to prepare? It looks to an untrained eye to be relatively simple as things go. It still looks that alot of time still had to be put into it though.

That's not a report, it's a judgment of the High Court.

It's a shorter one. Not all cases result in a written judgment. OTOH, some cases result in a number of substantial judgments.

PeadarCo

hullaballoo wrote:

It's a shorter one. Not all cases result in a written judgment. OTOH, some cases result in a number of substantial judgments.

Thanks I was just interested to see how much time is wasted with these proceedings by people who are judging by this thread essentially conmen taking advantage of people in difficult situations.

Holy Mary

How long is a piece of string?

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

whippet

There has been some entertainment in the realms of the drogheda branch last week.

The classic People's Internet Radio had an 'interview' with one of their mockers on Friday night. It is painful listening ... really painful but I stuck with most of it ... turns out the host thinks he has a legitimate license to cultivate weed at home .. issued by the one and only 'real' president of ireland.

He apparently handed in to the judge during the initial staged of his prosecution for growing the stuff!!!! .. some mad baffling stuff in reality!

fxotoole

whippet wrote: »

The classic People's Internet Radio

:eek:

Wonder if they've been granted a license from the BAI or whether they're a rogue outfit?

whippet

fxotoole wrote: »

:eek:

Wonder if they've been granted a license from the BAI or whether they're a rogue outfit?

calling it radio is a little stretch of the imagination.

The Friday Show is just the lads from Drogheda talking about sovereign stuff, consent, flouride .. general tin hat stuff.

One of the hosts of the Friday Show has a bit of an interesting past, managed to get off on a 5 year stretch a good while back ... but he'd be coola bulla now as Billy has sorted out his license for him

Robbo

whippet wrote: »

One of the hosts of the Friday Show has a bit of an interesting past, managed to get off on a 5 year stretch a good while back ... but he'd be coola bulla now as Billy has sorted out his license for him

Was that the lad caught with 6 kgs and a several thousand in cash but the jury was misdirected so the conviction was overturned? Or am I thinking of another of these guys from that corner of the world?

Bad news for Allied Bathrooms and Tiles Ltd as the Sheriff has taken a load of their stock due to a long outstanding rates bill. A creditors meeting is on the horizon and one of the directors is none other than Ben Gilroy.

ArmaniJeanss

Robbo wrote: »

Bad news for Allied Bathrooms and Tiles Ltd as the Sheriff has taken a load of their stock due to a long outstanding rates bill. A creditors meeting is on the horizon and one of the directors is none other than Ben Gilroy.

CAPSLOCK is a front man for it as well, or has some role in it.

whippet

I didn't think Ben was involved as a director ... the other lad I knew about alright.

So in essence they can't even keep the sheriffs from their own door!

Ben has a discussion on Chemtrails on his Facebook page .. it's quite funny but seems he likes to start discussions but not elaborate incase he gets accused of actually falling on one side of the fence.

You are right about the lad with 6kg and over €20k .. same fella .. how come billy didn't give him a license that time ?

Robbo

Fun times for the McKenzie Friend industry. Hot on the heels of a High Court judgment stating that there was no issue with issuing an Isaac Wunder Order against a McKenzie Friend, there's now a High Court/Court of Appeal practice direction regulating their behaviour in a way that is bound to upset some.

In particular, a lot of the latitude that has previously been extended towards them is now gone:

3. MFs may not:-

(1) Address the court, make oral submissions or examine witnesses. MFs do not have a right of audience or a right to conduct litigation. In exceptional circumstances a court may permit an MF to address the court. Such circumstances will be rare.

(2) Receive any payment for their services.

(3) Act as the litigants’ agent in relation to the proceedings;

(4) Manage litigants’ cases outside court, for example, by signing court documents.

They're also reminded that pretending to be a Law Talkin' Guy for profit is an offence under the Solicitors Acts.

Naturally, in the constituency of pseudolawyers that regards up as down and defeat as victory, this is being held out as a good thing as "It will also stop all the barroom pseudo lawyer that are ripping people off".

Because if your business model is based upon "suggested donations" and encouraging people to throw good money after bad, you cannot possibly be ripping people off...

Losty Dublin

Robbo wrote: »

Fun times for the McKenzie Friend industry. Hot on the heels of a High Court judgment stating that there was no issue with issuing an Isaac Wunder Order against a McKenzie Friend, there's now a High Court/Court of Appeal practice direction...Naturally, in the constituency of pseudolawyers that regards up as down and defeat as victory, this is being held out as a good thing as "It will also stop all the barroom pseudo lawyer that are ripping people off".

RIP the Freeman Legal Aid scheme :P

fxotoole

Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say

GM228

A new legal book for us to put on our Christmas list.

Wonder will it make the Law Society must read list for next years FE1s.

Blackhall, Round Hall, Clarus etc must be shaking in their boots

nuac

Likely to be a bidding war between US and UK publishers?

GM228

nuac wrote: »

Likely to be a bidding war between US and UK publishers?

My money is on Penguin or Ladybird

Fred Swanson

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PopePalpatine

Remind me, who published Alan Partridge's "Bouncing Back"? I think they're in with a decent chance. :pac:

Losty Dublin

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Remind me, who published Alan Partridge's "Bouncing Back"? I think they're in with a decent chance. :pac:

More interest in the gig to shred the unsold copies.

Fred Swanson

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fxotoole

Maybe we can round up all the Freemen and put them on an island in the Pacific? Kim Jong Un can use them for target practice. Lob a few nukes their way