Freeman Megamerge

Owryan

Graham wrote: »

Is there an actual point you're trying to make with the wall of text?

A specific (mis)interpretation maybe?

An opinion?

Something you'd like to share?

Methinks you missed the whole point of that wall of text, it shows the skills and how freefolk work.

Come in, make grand, sweeping, impressive sounding statements that look like they are full of profound knowledge.

Then they disappear before they have to debate, explain or answer questions as to why they believe the rubbish they just spouted .

Graham

Owryan wrote: »

Methinks you missed the whole point of that wall of text, it shows the skills and how freefolk work.

Come in, make grand, sweeping, impressive sounding statements that look like they are full of profound knowledge.

Then they disappear before they have to debate, explain or answer questions as to why they believe the rubbish they just spouted .

There wasn't even a grand sweeping statement though, nothing, just what appears to be a cut & paste job from legislation or something resembling legislation.

There wasn't even a sniff of "this means we get free houses lads".

Very disappointing.

Owryan

Graham wrote: »

There wasn't even a grand sweeping statement though, nothing, just what appears to be a cut & paste job from legislation or something resembling legislation.

There wasn't even a sniff of "this means we get free houses lads".

Very disappointing.

Tbh I didn't read it 😀, it is a copy/paste of how they, and the hub act.

I worked in family support and we would have people coming in looking for help, if they went to the local hub nutjob then they invariably had a photocopy of the constitution declaring they had a right to a home and demanding that we help them get one.

Queue screaming and much gnashing of teeth when we tried to give them some proper advice lol. They would also tell people to take a loan out and sign it "as gaelige". So technically it wasn't them signing the papers 🙄

nuac

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Charlie1974
Perhaps you might improve the formattting on that long post, and add an executive summary?

Pretty sure it's a cut and paste job from Michael O'Cearuil's book "Bunreacht na hEireann: A Study of the Irish Text"

Holy Mary

Charlie 1974.

ARTICLE 43.1.1O AIRTEAGAL 43.1.1O

How can said Article apply if one secures a loan on one's dwelling to a third party?

If one buys a car through finance, can one keep the car if one ceases paying the debt three months into the loan contract?

One's dwelling may indeed be protected. But only if unencumbered by debt.

If your argument is correct, then all mortgage holders living in dwellings currently paying off said loans may safely cease payment today without fear of repossession?

Is this your contention?

eldamo

Holy Mary wrote: »

Charlie 1974.

ARTICLE 43.1.1O AIRTEAGAL 43.1.1O

How can said Article apply if one secures a loan on one's dwelling to a third party?

If one buys a car through finance, can one keep the car if one ceases paying the debt three months into the loan contract?

One's dwelling may indeed be protected. But only if unencumbered by debt.

If your argument is correct, then all mortgage holders living in dwellings currently paying off said loans may safely cease payment today without fear of repossession?

Is this your contention?

I reckon so.

They all think they are Tyler durden. Just looking for the magic bullet to bring the whole system crashing down.

Presumably because they haven't done very well under the current system and think they would do better in whatever replaces it. Spoiler: they won't.

cobhguy28

eldamo wrote: »

Holy Mary wrote: »

Charlie 1974.

ARTICLE 43.1.1O AIRTEAGAL 43.1.1O

How can said Article apply if one secures a loan on one's dwelling to a third party?

If one buys a car through finance, can one keep the car if one ceases paying the debt three months into the loan contract?

One's dwelling may indeed be protected. But only if unencumbered  by debt.

If your argument is correct, then all mortgage holders living in dwellings currently paying off said loans may safely cease payment today without fear of repossession?

Is this your contention?

I reckon so.

They all think they are Tyler durden. Just looking for the magic bullet to bring the whole system crashing down.

Presumably because they haven't done very well under the current system and think they would do better in whatever replaces it. Spoiler: they won't.

You nailed it there. All these people who flock to these groups. Its not there fault, that they have failed, its the systems that is against them and once you learn the magic words you can defeat it.

Robbo

Graham wrote: »

Mr Beades back in the news again today:

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/bank-can-repossess-jerry-beadesowned-properties-37065492.html

The full judgment is now available online. The final paragraph gives some insight into why a person might employ such tactics.

The plaintiff comes to court seeking a further execution order in circumstances where the defendant has made no payment in respect of the loan for more than ten years, he has multiple tenants in the two properties and is in receipt of the rent in respect of the units. There is no information before the court as to the value of the rent roll or how long the tenants have been in situ but there is no dispute that none of the rent is being remitted to the plaintiff in part discharge of the very considerable sums outstanding on the loan. The defendant has benefitted from a delay of upwards of ten years when he has continued to enjoy the use of the properties and to receive the rents from the properties. On the other hand, the secured creditor has received neither repayment on foot of the loans nor had the benefit of any income generated by the properties. In the circumstances I have no hesitation in exercising my discretion in favour of the plaintiff and in granting it leave to issue an execution order pursuant to the order in these proceedings dated 23rd June, 2008.

There are 10 residential units across the 2 properties in question, plus there was an "organisation" occupying 21 Mary Street which we know to have been The Hub and (at times) other offshoots.

Do some back of the envelope calculations and you can see that this whole exercise has been quite profitable for Beades and he'll probably come out ahead at the end of the day.

If we put a conservative rental value of €1,000 per month on each of the 10 residential properties (allowing for the fact that during the time period rents have hit historical lows and highs with €1,761 being the average rent in Dublin North City per the latest available Daft Report), that's €120k per annum across 10 years.

€1.2 million of rent that the bank have never seen. Now they have possession of the two buildings on foot of a debt of €2 million.

Holy Mary

Robbo wrote: »

The full judgment is now available online. The final paragraph gives some insight into why a person might employ such tactics.

There are 10 residential units across the 2 properties in question, plus there was an "organisation" occupying 21 Mary Street which we know to have been The Hub and (at times) other offshoots.

Do some back of the envelope calculations and you can see that this whole exercise has been quite profitable for Beades and he'll probably come out ahead at the end of the day.

If we put a conservative rental value of €1,000 per month on each of the 10 residential properties (allowing for the fact that during the time period rents have hit historical lows and highs with €1,761 being the average rent in Dublin North City per the latest available Daft Report), that's €120k per annum across 10 years.

€1.2 million of rent that the bank have never seen. Now they have possession of the two buildings on foot of a debt of €2 million.

No doubt. But some folk may not be too happy. Mad, bad or sad?

Hard to make that one out!

Losty Dublin

Robbo wrote: »

If we put a conservative rental value of €1,000 per month on each of the 10 residential properties (allowing for the fact that during the time period rents have hit historical lows and highs with €1,761 being the average rent in Dublin North City per the latest available Daft Report), that's €120k per annum across 10 years.

€1.2 million of rent that the bank have never seen. Now they have possession of the two buildings on foot of a debt of €2 million.

One wonders if Beades has a little more to answer for after all of this.

whippet

I’m sure all RTB registration is up to date and correct tax filings for each of the rents collected

Kevin3

Does it not say something about the legal system itself that this was allowed to go on for over 10 years?

We often hear the maxim 'Justice delayed is justice denied' in reference to criminal prosecutions but is it time this was applied to civil cases?

Sucussfully using vexatious and delaying tactics to such benefit will only go towards emboldening him and his ilk.

eldamo

Kevin3 wrote: »

Does it not say something about the legal system itself that this was allowed to go on for over 10 years?

We often hear the maxim 'Justice delayed is justice denied' in reference to criminal prosecutions but is it time this was applied to civil cases?

Sucussfully using vexatious and delaying tactics to such benefit will only go towards emboldening him and his ilk.

everyone is so terrified of the thought of evicting one genuine family that has hit hard times so that a lot of leeway has been put in.

Sadly the genuine family that has hit on hard times will probably put their hands up and deal with the bank whereas all the leeway designed for them gets taken by absolute chancers like this.

Holy Mary

Kevin3 wrote: »

Does it not say something about the legal system itself that this was allowed to go on for over 10 years?

We often hear the maxim 'Justice delayed is justice denied' in reference to criminal prosecutions but is it time this was applied to civil cases?

Sucussfully using vexatious and delaying tactics to such benefit will only go towards emboldening him and his ilk.

Absolutely concur.

It is beyond shocking.

And there are more crawling out of the woodwork it would appear.

https://www.facebook.com/IrishMediaAlliance/videos/vb.394038987409960/1056085527871966/?type=2&theater

Holy Mary

Great victories claimed in the Courts across freeman circles yesterday with reports of fear being struck into the hearts of certain members of the Royal Crown legal classes.

Holy Mary

Holy Mary wrote: »

Great victories claimed in the Courts across freeman circles yesterday with reports of fear being struck into the hearts of certain members of the Royal Crown legal classes.

my god

and i walked through smithfield this morning and didnt feel a thing!

cobhguy28

Holy Mary wrote: »

Great victories claimed in the Courts across freeman circles yesterday with reports of fear being struck into the hearts of certain members of the Royal Crown legal classes.

"Great Victory"    How do they get great Victory from this, 
"[font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The Judge, far from giving his Ruling, has now Reserved Judgement, which means he is going off to read all of the paperwork submitted and comes back at some time in the future and rules; Happy Days."   [/font]

eldamo

cobhguy28 wrote: »

"Great Victory" How do they get great Victory from this,
"[font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The Judge, far from giving his Ruling, has now Reserved Judgement, which means he is going off to read all of the paperwork submitted and comes back at some time in the future and rules; Happy Days." [/font]

The judge deemed their paperwork being worthy of being read.... this is a big step forward for them.

Maybe next time it will take him a whole page before he realises its drivel...

Holy Mary

What care we about the outcome , for it is off to Europe we go.

The Rothschild Empire is on red alert.

The Vatican is on standby.

Robbo

I note that his Lordship engaged professional legal representation for his own case. That would be the second time this has happened, when push came to shove. Judgment due in November.

Holy Mary

No surprises there then.

The irony of not paying one's mortgage whilst one's city 'office space'' is allegedly paid for by members of the public.

The mind boggles.

Owryan

eldamo wrote: »

The judge deemed their paperwork being worthy of being read....

Maybe the judge needed something to line the cat litter tray

fxotoole

Owryan wrote: »

Maybe the judge needed something to line the cat litter tray

Or he is need of a good old fashioned belly laugh

Holy Mary

Hard to know how a straight face is held.

Meanwhile the new tactic is to get locked up.

The revolution is coming, I tell you!

Holy Mary

No such thing as bad publicity.

Handbags at dawn for two female journos!

One has links to the Freeman school of thought.

Embarrassing to say the least.

Or strategic?

jd

Holy Mary wrote: »

No such thing as bad publicity.

Handbags at dawn for two female journos!

One has links to the Freeman school of thought.

Embarrassing to say the least.

Or strategic?

presume you are talking about two particular well known female journos /Mod amended/

Holy Mary

You presume wrongly.

Holy Mary

Robbo wrote: »

I note that his Lordship engaged professional legal representation for his own case. That would be the second time this has happened, when push came to shove. Judgment due in November.

Seems there was activity yesterday.

mrs vimes

Here's another one - refuses to recognise the High Court or the Land Reg, "bona fide acting farmer" (a new one on me, but familiar at the same time):
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/man-growing-communal-crops-on-companys-land-agrees-not-to-come-within-100m-in-future-857719.html

Pity he didn't have someone telling him what BS to spin the court or he might have won the €30,000 compo he was looking for.

My Irish isn't great, but I don't think "Hy" is a word?

"The letter also stated he had "called a tribal counsel (sic) namely a Hy Cinnsealach of family and friends to a tribunal the day the plaintiff broke into my lands and uprooted acres of our communal crop."

I presume he'll get legal advice before the adjournment is up - maybe Ben or someone might help him out.