Freeman Megamerge

Robbo

Robbo wrote: »

Any links for the Debt Options case? Like some ghoulish archivist, I feel the need to record the various failures of these people.

It's not one single case. There were absolutely truck loads of them all being pushed by that Debt Options crowd in Waterford. I was present when 8 of them were struck out for being frivolous or vexatious and the rest will go the same way.

Utterly ridiculous claims every one of them.

LowKeyReturn

Where are they getting the money to run these cases or are costs very low as they never get past the first stage?

derry

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Sure, you're not that up on it.

Tim McVeigh, I assume you know that is?

Sovereign Citizen.



Here's the FBI page on it, which outlines more:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310

Here's a lot more:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sovereign-nation/

Here's what happened to the guy who came up with the modern version:



That happened after this:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

Go read that before you respond, please.

If you don't you might say some silly stuff, accidentally.

Here's a handy interactive map so you can see all the crime and violence they get up to:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sovereign-nation/map/

But yeah, I'm sure it's nothing.

In the links you supplied they stated that there existed some 300,000 sovereign people in the USA and we can be sure many of them are not involved in any crimes or coming to the attention of the USA legal systems .
QED not all sovereigns are doing criminal acts or are criminals

However because some Sovereign people in the USA ALLEGEDLY committed some crimes and few were often stitched up in USA federal kangaroo court sitting you would want to tar all the sovereigns as being terrorist and criminals

Well your logic places YOU in problem of your own making

You either have to ACCEPT that you are a SUBJECT( sub servant, slave ,Lower status ,not equal, subject to command from on high ) of her Majesty of the United kingdom or accept that you are a Sovereign of the island of EIRE ( if your not Irish you can be a sovereign of the country of your origin )

These are the facts ALL peoples of the entire planet are born SOVEREIGN .
its like your born white or black or with blue or brown eyes it comes with BIRTH

You can chose to renounce your sovereignty and be SUBJECT of of some sovereign KING or QUEEN because as a Born Sovereign you have the right to not chose to not be a Sovereign and serve your KING OR QUEEN as SUBJECT.
The British education system ensures they are brain washed to accept they are SUBJECTS and never to tell them they are also sovereign and can chose not to be SUBJECTS but that's another story for the people of the UK to learn and choose to follow if they wish

So if you wish to tar all sovereigns as criminals or terrorists then unless you chose to be a subject of some other power like KING OR QUEEN you are tarring yourself with the same brush

For the Irish people to be good SUBJECT'S of her Majesty of the UK its simple they choose to follow the laws that come from her majesties provisional Irish government of Leinster house (correct name the 1926 king George the 5th 26 county Royal Oireachtas provisional Irish government ) accept the Legal courts of her Majesty's courts (The senior councils or as they call them Queens council in the UK all raise there glasses to a toast to her Majesty their employer or BOSS in the law courts every year ) and off you go forget Ireland is supposed to be self ruling SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC and be a good subject and ask to be included in the list of those who get to be GROOM OF THE STOOL ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groom_of_the_Stool )

If your not a SUBJECT of the Majesty of the UK and your not a Sovereign of Eire then please enlighten me as what class of gombeen man you claim for your status

I will give a hint that if you say your a citizen of Ireland then you accept the powers that come from the 26 county provisional Irish government appointed by King George the 5th (and his inheritors ) to continue his reign over his dominion the 26 counties of Ireland where all taxes raised must go to his coffers .

The corporation or limited company loosely called the 26 county Irish Republic or Ireland INC is simply a subsidiary company of the parent company of the Crown of the United Kingdom Incorporated .Like all subsidiaries it has loose independence it can have it own logo the tri-colour it own company song the anthem and a few other niceties like they don't have to hang pictures of the leader the Queen up all over the gaff .
However like all subsidiary Corporations they have one TOP BOSS and that is the CROWN and the CROWN is headed up by the QUEEN so she is the Boss of the Leinster House and the people in there are all her GOMBEEN MEN (witness the visit from the QUEEN they couldn't do enough for their boss)

Under the terms of ownership of property the Citizens of Ireland is the commercial term for the Chattle that the corporation of the 26 county provisional Irish government has to control and tax . These Chattle that dwell inside the 26 counties have the extra privilege that they don't have to admit they are SUBJECTS they get the title citizen and all they have to say is that are citizens of the 26 county Ireland and that automatically makes them subjects of her Majesty the QUEEN of the UK under the cooperation laws .

Some people inside EIRE know how this scam works know they were born Sovereign and are EQUAL status to all other Sovereigns ( be they sovereigns people or sovereign PAGEANTRY like QUEENS and KING ) and these people are NOT subject as SUBJECT'S to the COMMERCIAL LAWS that come from the COMMERCIAL COURTS other wise known as the IRISH COURTS accept for COMMON LAW crimes which are the only laws that apply to SOVEREIGNS of the land

So if some SOVEREIGN chooses to murder steal damage property or do fraud then the COMMON LAW will deal with it .
IF some sovereign movement suggests that sovereigns are above all laws then that's not sovereign that something else masquerading as sovereign.

Many of the so called sovereign movement involved in crimes common law type were not sovereign in that they did not recognize any laws applied to them and often were government run operations using the term SOVEREIGN to demonize the many COMMON law abiding SOVEREIGNS out there .

So for the many Sovereigns of the island of EIRE its simple the Irish commercial courts of her MAJESTY of the UK have no JURISDICTION over a sovereign of the land of EIRE
The fact that the GOMBEEN MEN of Leinster house chose to use brute force to please their boss her Majesty the Queen of the UK doesn't make the crimes they do to Irish Sovereign People in Irish COMMERCIAL courts right it just means they are biggest thugs like the red coats were that's all .

When eventually the power structure of the King George the 5th 26county county Provisional Irish Government of Leister house is totally exposed and the SOVEREIGN peopleof EIRE remove them from position and make true Sovereign Irish government and the Gombeen men are brought to a sovereign court there is one peace of real bad news
Deliberate TREASON TO THE SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC OF EIRE doesn't have a jail term there is only the death penalty
Now a lot of the gombeen men and women in Leinster house do not know they are doing treason so so far they are not guilty of anything accept brain washing and sheer stupidity .
However they are now often in Leinster house when informed of the real story choosing to ignore this to feather their own nest and those types are risking their long term health

SO again which class of definition are you from ???? and if you want to continue to be in treason now you know the risks your running as its not only the on high in Leister house that risk being in court for treason even those lower down the SUBJECTS scale can do treason and risk to suffer the consequences

Like the WW2 German soldiers learned "I was only following legal orders" wont work as "legal" is not always " lawful "and in the SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC OF EIRE treason is not "LAWFUL " it might be legal for the "1926 King George the 5th 26 County Royal Oireachtas Provisional Irish Government" but TREASON to the Sovereign Republic of EIRE ant LAWFUL

Derry


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So tell me again why I don't have to pay parking tickets?

LowKeyReturn

derry wrote: »

The British education system ensures they are brain washed to accept they are SUBJECTS and never to tell them they are also sovereign and can chose not to be SUBJECTS but that's another story for the people of the UK to learn and choose to follow if they wish

What are you on about?

Firstly there is no British Education system, there is a different one for England, Wales, Scotland and NI. Secondly the monarchy is hardly mentioned in English schools, even in history.

LowKeyReturn

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

What are you on about?

Firstly there is no British Education system, there is a different one for England, Wales, Scotland and NI. Secondly the monarchy is hardly mentioned in English schools, even in history.

You might not know Derry (Londonderry to his friends) but he's our freeman troll. Enjoy the madness but do not feed the troll

returnNull

derry wrote: »

In the links you supplied they stated that there existed some 300,000 sovereign people in the USA and we can be sure many of them are not involved in any crimes or coming to the attention of the USA legal systems .
QED not all sovereigns are doing criminal acts or are criminals

However because some Sovereign people in the USA ALLEGEDLY committed some crimes and few were often stitched up in USA federal kangaroo court sitting you would want to tar all the sovereigns as being terrorist and criminals

Well your logic places YOU in problem of your own making

You either have to ACCEPT that you are a SUBJECT( sub servant, slave ,Lower status ,not equal, subject to command from on high ) of her Majesty of the United kingdom or accept that you are a Sovereign of the island of EIRE ( if your not Irish you can be a sovereign of the country of your origin )

These are the facts ALL peoples of the entire planet are born SOVEREIGN .
its like your born white or black or with blue or brown eyes it comes with BIRTH

You can chose to renounce your sovereignty and be SUBJECT of of some sovereign KING or QUEEN because as a Born Sovereign you have the right to not chose to not be a Sovereign and serve your KING OR QUEEN as SUBJECT.
The British education system ensures they are brain washed to accept they are SUBJECTS and never to tell them they are also sovereign and can chose not to be SUBJECTS but that's another story for the people of the UK to learn and choose to follow if they wish

So if you wish to tar all sovereigns as criminals or terrorists then unless you chose to be a subject of some other power like KING OR QUEEN you are tarring yourself with the same brush

For the Irish people to be good SUBJECT'S of her Majesty of the UK its simple they choose to follow the laws that come from her majesties provisional Irish government of Leinster house (correct name the 1926 king George the 5th 26 county Royal Oireachtas provisional Irish government ) accept the Legal courts of her Majesty's courts (The senior councils or as they call them Queens council in the UK all raise there glasses to a toast to her Majesty their employer or BOSS in the law courts every year ) and off you go forget Ireland is supposed to be self ruling SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC and be a good subject and ask to be included in the list of those who get to be GROOM OF THE STOOL ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groom_of_the_Stool )

If your not a SUBJECT of the Majesty of the UK and your not a Sovereign of Eire then please enlighten me as what class of gombeen man you claim for your status

I will give a hint that if you say your a citizen of Ireland then you accept the powers that come from the 26 county provisional Irish government appointed by King George the 5th (and his inheritors ) to continue his reign over his dominion the 26 counties of Ireland where all taxes raised must go to his coffers .

The corporation or limited company loosely called the 26 county Irish Republic or Ireland INC is simply a subsidiary company of the parent company of the Crown of the United Kingdom Incorporated .Like all subsidiaries it has loose independence it can have it own logo the tri-colour it own company song the anthem and a few other niceties like they don't have to hang pictures of the leader the Queen up all over the gaff .
However like all subsidiary Corporations they have one TOP BOSS and that is the CROWN and the CROWN is headed up by the QUEEN so she is the Boss of the Leinster House and the people in there are all her GOMBEEN MEN (witness the visit from the QUEEN they couldn't do enough for their boss)

Under the terms of ownership of property the Citizens of Ireland is the commercial term for the Chattle that the corporation of the 26 county provisional Irish government has to control and tax . These Chattle that dwell inside the 26 counties have the extra privilege that they don't have to admit they are SUBJECTS they get the title citizen and all they have to say is that are citizens of the 26 county Ireland and that automatically makes them subjects of her Majesty the QUEEN of the UK under the cooperation laws .

Some people inside EIRE know how this scam works know they were born Sovereign and are EQUAL status to all other Sovereigns ( be they sovereigns people or sovereign PAGEANTRY like QUEENS and KING ) and these people are NOT subject as SUBJECT'S to the COMMERCIAL LAWS that come from the COMMERCIAL COURTS other wise known as the IRISH COURTS accept for COMMON LAW crimes which are the only laws that apply to SOVEREIGNS of the land

So if some SOVEREIGN chooses to murder steal damage property or do fraud then the COMMON LAW will deal with it .
IF some sovereign movement suggests that sovereigns are above all laws then that's not sovereign that something else masquerading as sovereign.

Many of the so called sovereign movement involved in crimes common law type were not sovereign in that they did not recognize any laws applied to them and often were government run operations using the term SOVEREIGN to demonize the many COMMON law abiding SOVEREIGNS out there .

So for the many Sovereigns of the island of EIRE its simple the Irish commercial courts of her MAJESTY of the UK have no JURISDICTION over a sovereign of the land of EIRE
The fact that the GOMBEEN MEN of Leinster house chose to use brute force to please their boss her Majesty the Queen of the UK doesn't make the crimes they do to Irish Sovereign People in Irish COMMERCIAL courts right it just means they are biggest thugs like the red coats were that's all .

When eventually the power structure of the King George the 5th 26county county Provisional Irish Government of Leister house is totally exposed and the SOVEREIGN peopleof EIRE remove them from position and make true Sovereign Irish government and the Gombeen men are brought to a sovereign court there is one peace of real bad news
Deliberate TREASON TO THE SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC OF EIRE doesn't have a jail term there is only the death penalty
Now a lot of the gombeen men and women in Leinster house do not know they are doing treason so so far they are not guilty of anything accept brain washing and sheer stupidity .
However they are now often in Leinster house when informed of the real story choosing to ignore this to feather their own nest and those types are risking their long term health

SO again which class of definition are you from ???? and if you want to continue to be in treason now you know the risks your running as its not only the on high in Leister house that risk being in court for treason even those lower down the SUBJECTS scale can do treason and risk to suffer the consequences

Like the WW2 German soldiers learned "I was only following legal orders" wont work as "legal" is not always " lawful "and in the SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC OF EIRE treason is not "LAWFUL " it might be legal for the "1926 King George the 5th 26 County Royal Oireachtas Provisional Irish Government" but TREASON to the Sovereign Republic of EIRE ant LAWFUL

Derry


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what a load of bolloxology

Pat Mustard

derry wrote: »

Derry

TL:DR

valleyoftheunos

Wonderful wonderful stuff there from Derry, I'm going to read it again later when I can really enjoy it.

Fred Swanson

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Robbo

Francis, of the family Cullen is off to the 'Joy for another few months for refusing to recognise most things since his bankruptcy.

Another Freeman victory for the ages.

returnNull

from the article linked to above

Mr Cullen, and a number of his supporters, told the judge she had no jurisdiction to jail him without his consent

so judges need the defendants consent before getting locked up??
lol jesus wept.

having said that 10 outta ten for francis of the family cullen for sticking to his beliefs,no matter how deluded.

Whats next? a dirty protest?hunger strike?

NoQuarter

Robbo wrote: »

This fine document has been lodged in the Central Office by the Attack the Tax people.

Keep us in the loop of when this gets a date, ill pop in and have a look!

Fred Swanson

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Marcusm

returnNull wrote: »

from the article linked to above

so judges need the defendants consent before getting locked up??
lol jesus wept.

having said that 10 outta ten for francis of the family cullen for sticking to his beliefs,no matter how deluded.

Whats next? a dirty protest?hunger strike?

Presumably the judge informed them that any necessary consent was implicit in them appearing in the court in the first instance.

445279.ie

Canadian judge fights back against the Freemen

http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2012/09/30/freemen-of-the-land-are-parasites-peddling-pseudolegal-nonsense-canadian-judge-fights-back/

derry

LowKeyReturn wrote: »

What are you on about?

Firstly there is no British Education system, there is a different one for England, Wales, Scotland and NI. Secondly the monarchy is hardly mentioned in English schools, even in history.

If you are British they merely teach you that you are subject of her Majesty the queen and her heirs to the throne and the crown.
Thats all the British subjects have to know who is the boss take few minutes to teach that lesson after that teach them all the rest .
The fact they teach them that in English welsh Scotland NI school doesn't matter sing the anthem god save the queen drum in one lesson or two you are subjects of the crown and thats all be off and be good subjects or else

Derry

ynotonavillus

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Wow.

The Queen will be delighted to hear that she is the boss.

I thought that the start middle and end of the British constitution was that parliament was supreme.

Silly Me.

theholyghost

Listening to some of the reporting on Jim Corr today he doesn't seem to have brought up any of the Freeman stuff or disputed the authority of the court or disputed the authority of reality for that matter.

Does that mean if you are properly advised i.e. go to a solicitor you don't get mixed up in this nonsense?

Fred Swanson

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Robbo

theholyghost wrote: »

Listening to some of the reporting on Jim Corr today he doesn't seem to have brought up any of the Freeman stuff or disputed the authority of the court or disputed the authority of reality for that matter.

Does that mean if you are properly advised i.e. go to a solicitor you don't get mixed up in this nonsense?

For all his other eccentric beliefs, Corr did have the good sense to get advice from professionals. Seems the cross examination yesterday (more to come today) was entertainment enough in itself.

benway

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Great stuff. Always used to love it when a summons naming Bertie Aherne and Michael McDowell personally crossed my desk, guaranteed to be proper green ink territory.

For all that, having read it, I don't think this Attack the Tax crowd are full mental like the Fremen - their reasoning might be somewhat ... creative ... but it's not alternative reality territory.

NoQuarter wrote:

Keep us in the loop of when this gets a date, ill pop in and have a look!

Nothing on as yet, but I'd say there's a motion to dismiss ready to drop in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

@Derry, I'm enjoying your strategic deployment of block caps there chief, well played.

hullaballoo

This AH thread is a great read!



How I lolled.

benway

Posted a couple of my favourite pieces of Fremenry >here<, but just to add:

To be fair, I would absolutely love to turn up before, say, Peter Kelly on a Monday morning and give it some:

"Your Honor I am a Living Being. The Flesh lives and the Blood flows.
I ask humbly for Remedy."

But he'd probably have me committed.

donspeekinglesh

Article in the Irish Times this morning: Lawyers advise against use of groups claiming 'secret formula' to circumvent law

seamus

Well of course LAWYERS would say that, they're the ones who built this (IL)LEGAL system in the first place

Robbo

Ben (TM), is not a Freeman and doesn't use their methods. By reading this post, you have contracted to pay me a €400 per day appearance fee, invoice in the post, all rights reserved, your investment may go up as well as side-to-side.

valleyoftheunos

Robbo wrote: »

Ben (TM), is not a Freeman and doesn't use their methods. By reading this post, you have contracted to pay me a €400 per day appearance fee, invoice in the post, all rights reserved, your investment may go up as well as side-to-side.

Signed Ben of the Guilla Rua no less!

jd

valleyoftheunos wrote: »

Signed Ben of the Guilla Rua no less!

Worse

“Ben of the ancient clan Giolla Rua authorised agent for Ben Gilroy™”.

Looks like he's separated out his "straw man", straight from the freeman book of lore.

valleyoftheunos

jd wrote: »

Worse

Looks like he's separated out his "straw man", straight from the freeman book of lore.

I think you mean:

Ben of the ancient clan Giolla Rua authorised agent for BEN GILROY

You've got to be careful, these details are important. I for one only sign things in blue ink as that means I can't be bound by it as blue is the colour of the sea and thus can only be held up in commercial law which of course is the law of the sea which only applies to companies and I only recognise the law of the land. Or something like that.