Freeman Megamerge

Valentine1

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junca

Oh yes and how DARE SOME OF US WANT TO BE FREE HEY ????!!! HOW DAAAARE WE !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fj6Qamu0JY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwztaQgv3-Y&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P98Wv6TKuQk#t=254

Hey people who want to be free, who want to fight back at the bankers who have CREATED MONEY OUT OF NOTHING for the past 75 yrs or so and have charged interest on that ficticious money without creating the interest and watched us all chase that interest... the men who have financed wars and atrocities , the banks who launder money and push drugs , the governments who are involved in all of this.... HOW DARE WE WANT TO BE FREE ... HOW DARE WE... COME ON GIVE IT TO ME YOU SUPPORTERS AND SLANDERERS !! BUT NOT UNTIL YOU LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE BLOODY LINK HERE !!!

Pro Hoc Vice

junca wrote: »

you got no idea of what's coming for us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22K-EUnF9bM

By the way as a nice little side show these corrupt institutions and governments are destroying our planet, but hey ho , you just keep supporting it, seems if you are not hurting yourself you just poinnt the finger at others that are trying to fight or get out of the system. They are planning 37 000 !!! fracking wells in the UK !!What do you think they got planned for Ireland hum ??!!!

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fracking+australia&oq=frackin&gs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39l2j0l8.776.3910.0.5559.31.14.0.0.0.2.391.1895.3j5j1j2.11.0.eytns%2Cpt%3D-40%2Cn%3D2%2Cui%3Dt..0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.SypDY1mM7j0

it only takes a few mins of googling on youtube to find out the terrible consequences of fracking.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hydrogen+car&oq=hydro&gs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39l2j0l8.1112.4651.0.7013.22.10.0.0.0.1.363.1490.3j0j1j3.7.0.eytns%2Cpt%3D-40%2Cn%3D2%2Cui%3Dt..0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.zMsi6MaBAV0

They are purposefully denying us alternative fuel sources until they have milked the oil paradigm to it's fullest extent, google "hemp fuel" and hemp and it's thousands of applications, would safe our forests also! But nooooo government is totally cool ey they are here to "serve" our interests....

http://www.hempfarm.com.au/hemp-fuel/

Stan Meyers was MURDERED to keep him from putting his conversion kit on the open market after he refused $1 billion dollar sale for all rights and pattens... died of uranium poisoning, and his brother Stephen is laying low.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEp6ckvRtj0

And YOU guys serisously are defending this ****ty SYSTEM ??!! Serisously , when we have thousands of people committing suicide because of it, we have millions of homeless in america and all over the world, just because it has not hit YOU YET??? It is about time we DREAMED UP a BETTER SYSTEM together and stepped out of this paradigm that is only serving 1% of the population on earth.

You seem to be ok that the government is putting poison into your water supply also, when they have reverse osmosis in their house of government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUIslPT2G1Y

yeah great look at this it's in YOUR WATER ... IT EATS THROUGH CONCRETE MAN !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7P1vkIpCk

But hey NO YOUR BELOVED GOVERNMENT IS SAYING IT'S SAFE SO IT MUST BE !!!

Oh yeah, and CANNABIS IS CURING CANCER!! But you'd rather go and fund these treacherous companies running collections for their so called "cancer research" that has not gotten anywhere in over 60 yrs hum...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

But YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO BADMOUTH PEOPLE WHO TRY AND FIND WAYS OUT OF THIS CORRUPT STINKING DEADLY SYSTEM !! ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL ???!!!

The BBC and the upper echelons of UK society are involved in Paedophilia but YOU GUYS ARE STILL VOTING and DEFENDING THE SYSTEM !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-7GvTZXrsk

You guys make me feel SICK !!!

If somebody wishes to fight the system go for it, if someone advocates a liberal agenda you know what fair play I might even agree with some of it. If someone wants to overturn the system with a better one go for it. But please don't tell me these freemen are anything other than idiots or worse. If you want to drive without a license or insurance get the law changed don't claim it does not apply to you.


The most of your post is pointing out the well know issues in society not defending freemen loons.

Artful_Badger

junca wrote: »

You gotta start to SERIOUSLY QUESTION WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR OPINIONS FROM !!

Where do you get your opinions from ?

Pro Hoc Vice

junca wrote: »

Oh yes and how DARE SOME OF US WANT TO BE FREE HEY ????!!! HOW DAAAARE WE !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fj6Qamu0JY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwztaQgv3-Y&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P98Wv6TKuQk#t=254

Hey people who want to be free, who want to fight back at the bankers who have CREATED MONEY OUT OF NOTHING for the past 75 yrs or so and have charged interest on that ficticious money without creating the interest and watched us all chase that interest... the men who have financed wars and atrocities , the banks who launder money and push drugs , the governments who are involved in all of this.... HOW DARE WE WANT TO BE FREE ... HOW DARE WE... COME ON GIVE IT TO ME YOU SUPPORTERS AND SLANDERERS !! BUT NOT UNTIL YOU LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE BLOODY LINK HERE !!!

What? If you want to do away with the banking system fine advocate for that, Islam would agree with you the charging of any interest is not allowed. But lack of a functioning banking system has its own issues.

MilanPan!c

junca wrote: »

you got no idea of what's coming for us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22K-EUnF9bM

By the way as a nice little side show these corrupt institutions and governments are destroying our planet, but hey ho , you just keep supporting it, seems if you are not hurting yourself you just poinnt the finger at others that are trying to fight or get out of the system. They are planning 37 000 !!! fracking wells in the UK !!What do you think they got planned for Ireland hum ??!!!

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fracking+australia&oq=frackin&gs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39l2j0l8.776.3910.0.5559.31.14.0.0.0.2.391.1895.3j5j1j2.11.0.eytns%2Cpt%3D-40%2Cn%3D2%2Cui%3Dt..0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.SypDY1mM7j0

it only takes a few mins of googling on youtube to find out the terrible consequences of fracking.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hydrogen+car&oq=hydro&gs_l=youtube.1.0.35i39l2j0l8.1112.4651.0.7013.22.10.0.0.0.1.363.1490.3j0j1j3.7.0.eytns%2Cpt%3D-40%2Cn%3D2%2Cui%3Dt..0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.zMsi6MaBAV0

They are purposefully denying us alternative fuel sources until they have milked the oil paradigm to it's fullest extent, google "hemp fuel" and hemp and it's thousands of applications, would safe our forests also! But nooooo government is totally cool ey they are here to "serve" our interests....

http://www.hempfarm.com.au/hemp-fuel/

Stan Meyers was MURDERED to keep him from putting his conversion kit on the open market after he refused $1 billion dollar sale for all rights and pattens... died of uranium poisoning, and his brother Stephen is laying low.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEp6ckvRtj0

And YOU guys serisously are defending this ****ty SYSTEM ??!! Serisously , when we have thousands of people committing suicide because of it, we have millions of homeless in america and all over the world, just because it has not hit YOU YET??? It is about time we DREAMED UP a BETTER SYSTEM together and stepped out of this paradigm that is only serving 1% of the population on earth.

You seem to be ok that the government is putting poison into your water supply also, when they have reverse osmosis in their house of government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUIslPT2G1Y

yeah great look at this it's in YOUR WATER ... IT EATS THROUGH CONCRETE MAN !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7P1vkIpCk

But hey NO YOUR BELOVED GOVERNMENT IS SAYING IT'S SAFE SO IT MUST BE !!!

Oh yeah, and CANNABIS IS CURING CANCER!! But you'd rather go and fund these treacherous companies running collections for their so called "cancer research" that has not gotten anywhere in over 60 yrs hum...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

But YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO BADMOUTH PEOPLE WHO TRY AND FIND WAYS OUT OF THIS CORRUPT STINKING DEADLY SYSTEM !! ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL ???!!!

The BBC and the upper echelons of UK society are involved in Paedophilia but YOU GUYS ARE STILL VOTING and DEFENDING THE SYSTEM !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-7GvTZXrsk

You guys make me feel SICK !!!

Well hello.

I know it's hard for you to grasp, but crooks that are posing as heroes are actually, in fact, without any question, still crooks.

Supporting con men, because they feign interest in the causes you wish to be associated with isn't actually clever, as it undermines REAL people who are trying to help, in meaningful ways.

No one here is defending corruption or paedophiles; if we're trying to "defend" anything it's the vulnerable from con men, who are taking advantage of people like yourself and your frustration and anger.

If I showed you dozens of examples of "freemen" scamming people, using the same tactics you seem to be condoning, what would your reaction be?

You're conflating a lot and woefully ignorant of basic facts about the people you're defending.

I, and many on here I'm sure, can help you understand the truth - if you're interested, but I'm not sure you'll ever be willing to accept the complexity of the situation, as much as you rely - quite obviously - on overly simplistic answers.

EDIT: I just noticed you are also pushing that Stan Meyers conspiracy nonsense. You need to learn to be a lot more critical.

MilanPan!c

Our friend junca has apparently been banned from this thread - fair enough - but he's now contacting me to let me know he's being silenced.

It sure is tricky in 2013 to figure out how to have conversations with people this far down the rabbit hole...

Thargor

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Where do you get your opinions from ?

Youtube by the looks of it.

returnNull

MilanPan!c wrote: »

It sure is tricky in 2013 to figure out how to have conversations with people this far down the rabbit hole...

Na Milan you just took the wrong pill:pac:

MilanPan!c

returnNull wrote: »

Na Milan you just took the wrong pill:pac:

That's my luck all over.

234

infosys wrote: »

What? If you want to do away with the banking system fine advocate for that, Islam would agree with you the charging of any interest is not allowed. But lack of a functioning banking system has its own issues.

Slight aside: Islam just gets around this with deals that are effectively lending at interest in all but name.

Robbo

Ballyphehane has to be the weirdest town in Ireland. Where the Freemen drive left hand drive Honda Civics and try to run over HSE workers who they are summoning to their own personal kangaroo court (in the community center, after knitting but before the Scouts) for a show trial in relation to "child / offspring abduction for commercial profit and sexual abuse".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zVROwC75OM

Fred Swanson

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littlemac1980

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Well they are the security guards, and I'd imagine that it wasn't the first time the chap was in the building for two reasons.

1. The fact that he dropped the nonsense notice in a little local office suggests that he had some previous interaction with a person or persons there and wanted to mess with them as opposed to the HSE in general.

2. He didn't stick around. He literally dropped it and legged it, I'd say he knew (from previous encounters) he wasn't welcome.

joela

Robbo wrote: »

Ballyphehane has to be the weirdest town in Ireland. Where the Freemen drive left hand drive Honda Civics and try to run over HSE workers who they are summoning to their own personal kangaroo court (in the community center, after knitting but before the Scouts) for a show trial in relation to "child / offspring abduction for commercial profit and sexual abuse".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zVROwC75OM

OK WTF?????? I mean seriously WTF??? I can't actually say anything else but WTF??????????:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

MilanPan!c

joela wrote: »

OK WTF?????? I mean seriously WTF??? I can't actually say anything else but WTF??????????:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

And this is where this starts getting dangerous. When you create a cult of people that think society and everything in it, is illegitimate, and is probably out to steal your freedom, then it's only a matter of time before this sort of thing happens, and much worse.

For decades the idea of Muslims engaging in offensive war was long unthinkable, until Sayid Qutb changed all of that:

Qutb blows apart the Islam apologists, or “orientalists” as he calls them, who want to make Islam seem peaceful and safe. He thus serves as an unintentional ally of the critics of Islam who believe that Islam is inherently dangerous. For example, responding to the apologist argument that Allah only commands Muslims to engage in defensive war to protect the borders of Islamic lands, Qutb shows that Muslims are commanded to initiate aggressive war against non-Muslims, the purpose being to free mankind from all human rulers so that they come under the sole rulership of Allah. Against Qutb’s argument, what would Daniel Pipes and the “moderate” Muslims he champions have to say? In a debate between Pipes, who pathetically and vainly declares that “Islam can be whatever Muslims want it to be,” and Qutb, whose jihadist case proceeds with logical rigor from the Koran, there would be no contest.

It’s also interesting how much stress Qutb lays on the idea that war is not waged to force people to become Muslims, but rather to bring them under Islamic rule and thereby to free them to choose Islam freely. He seems to be saying that people are only truly free to choose Islam if they are under an Islamic ruler.

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004900.html

Once a large enough group of people are exposed to the idea (read:lie) that they can judge if something is legitimate, and if it's not it's in their rights - if not an obligation - to take direct action to affect change against their "oppressors"... well... all bets are off...

Just ask the first Freeman group, the Montana Freeman.

IMO the police/courts need to be treating this more seriously than they are.

MilanPan!c

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Now why would the HSE people chase after them?

Until we see what's on the actual "summons"/learn the full story, it's hard to know

Cody Pomeray

MilanPan!c wrote: »

And this is where this starts getting dangerous. When you create a cult of people that think society and everything in it, is illegitimate, and is probably out to steal your freedom, then it's only a matter of time before this sort of thing happens, and much worse.

I'm not so sure about that.

I don't think these people believe that society is illegitimate, so much as various agents of the state being "illegitimate". Which is really no worse than Mr. Paddy Murphy's belief that the Irish Film Censorship Board is illegitimate curtailment of free speech, or Mrs Josephine Murphy's belief that the institutions of state "illegitimately" curtail her right to bodily integrity, in refusing her natural right to elect an abortion.

So it is normal (i.e. normative) for citizens to accuse certain arms, agents, laws or activities of the state of being "illegitimate", and to seek a remedy. It just so happens that the means used by Freemen to achieve remedies are batsh1t crazy. Their underlying criticisms are distasteful to me, personally, but not objectively objectionable.

Thargor

I wonder what they think of medical cards and getting their kids vaccinated, educated, teeth fixed, dole, child support, hospital stays, ringing an ambulance/fire/guards in an emergency etc, has there ever been a discussion with them on here or any other bb about interacting with a state that doesnt exist in this way?

MilanPan!c

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that.

I don't think these people believe that society is illegitimate, so much as various agents of the state being "illegitimate". Which is really no worse than Mr. Paddy Murphy's belief that the Irish Film Censorship Board is illegitimate curtailment of free speech, or Mrs Josephine Murphy's belief that the institutions of state "illegitimately" curtail her right to bodily integrity, in refusing her natural right to elect an abortion.

So it is normal (i.e. normative) for citizens to accuse certain arms, agents, laws or activities of the state of being "illegitimate", and to seek a remedy. It just so happens that the means used by Freemen to achieve remedies are batsh1t crazy. Their underlying criticisms are distasteful to me, personally, but not objectively objectionable.

Two things:

1. The Freemen themselves can't agree on the basics of their beliefs; some are much more extreme than others. At some point the chances of the more extreme examples causing real harm becomes non-trivial, simply because of the numbers involved.

2. The idea that they believe something that other non-Freeman believe, and non-Feeman pose no threat, therefore Freeman pose no threat misunderstands how the more extreme Freeman see the world and society. In many cases these people believe that their own society sold them into a sort of slavery at birth, and works (using a things like NLP) to keep all of humanity enslaved. That's a far cry from over-zealous censorship of films.

MilanPan!c

Thargor wrote: »

I wonder what they think of medical cards and getting their kids vaccinated, educated, teeth fixed, dole, child support, hospital stays, ringing an ambulance/fire/guards in an emergency etc, has there ever been a discussion with them on here or any other bb about interacting with a state that doesnt exist in this way?

Ha. They - like Libertarians - cant understand that they benefit from society and without society they couldn't even live in their little fantasy.

Robbo

Thargor wrote: »

I wonder what they think of medical cards and getting their kids vaccinated, educated, teeth fixed, dole, child support, hospital stays, ringing an ambulance/fire/guards in an emergency etc, has there ever been a discussion with them on here or any other bb about interacting with a state that doesnt exist in this way?

Chances are you'll have a sizeable intersection of anti-vaxxers and freemen in any given group of swivel eyed loons.

Cody Pomeray

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that.

I don't think these people believe that society is illegitimate, so much as various agents of the state being "illegitimate". Which is really no worse than Mr. Paddy Murphy's belief that the Irish Film Censorship Board is illegitimate curtailment of free speech, or Mrs Josephine Murphy's belief that the institutions of state "illegitimately" curtail her right to bodily integrity, in refusing her natural right to elect an abortion.

So it is normal (i.e. normative) for citizens to accuse certain arms, agents, laws or activities of the state of being "illegitimate", and to seek a remedy. It just so happens that the means used by Freemen to achieve remedies are batsh1t crazy. Their underlying criticisms are distasteful to me, personally, but not objectively objectionable.

You seem to be missing the fundamental issue with Freemen.

People who believe that an emanation of the State or law or set of circumstances which does exist but they say should not exist and attempt to bring about the end of that emananation have a certain amount of credibility where the belief isn't, in and of itself, objectionable.

However people who believe that the self same law, emanation or circumstance doesn't in fact exist and that it is all a game of shadows designed to fool you and, furthermore, that through a special set of words or deeds you can force people to act according to the "real" laws etc. is complete nonsense of the highest order and should be mocked, ridiculed and derided for what it is. This belief is objectionable by its very nature. There is no "underlying criticism" which is separate from the belief. They are intertwined and, frankly, dangerous.

Freeman movements follow patterns. In America, Canada and Britain they have all started as small and amusing cult-type groups that have grown into disruptive movements within the legal process, then fraudulent cons become part of the movement. Next there is violence. In the USA this was the Montana Freemen, in England the magistrate who 300 Freemen attempted to arrest in Merseyside. Will Ireland follow a different path? Or will infuriating relativism that attempts to engage with the seemingly legitimate criticisms underlying Freemanism allow this parasitical scourge continue to flourish?

MilanPan!c

Seems the DDI site is down?

http://directdemocracyireland.ie/

So is Ben's site?: http://peopleforeconomicjustice.com/

MilanPan!c

If you can stomach it: http://www.mixcloud.com/Tir_na_Saor/the-freeman-nonsense/

Losty Dublin

MilanPan!c wrote: »

If you can stomach it: http://www.mixcloud.com/Tir_na_Saor/the-freeman-nonsense/

Hatchet job? If anything RTE went too lightly on them

MilanPan!c

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Hatchet job? If anything RTE went too lightly on them

Pretty much everything they discuss, they misrepresent.

themadhair

I have my doubts that Irish Freeman groups will perpetrate acts of violence, and certainly not as a primary result of Freeman ideology.

When we look at violence within Freeman groups we are pretty much forced to look at the US. But the violent groups have a history towards violence that is independent of their Freeman ideology. Militia groups and gun club nuts are commonplace, and that such already anti-government groups would adopt Freeman ideas isn't surprising.

If we look at Canadian Freeman groups we don't see any of the tendency towards violence we see in the US. It's odd that Canadian police on the ground are saying they are seeing no violence, but the Canadian chiefs are telling a different story (this is what happens why you invite US speakers to your annual conferences – you get the US perspective which the chiefs seem to be regurgitating). Canada, due to not having the underlying tendency towards violence in its anti-government groups (like the US does), simply hasn't imported the violence along with the ideology. I don't see any reason why Ireland would be much different in this regard.

All that said, you do always have two possibilities for violence. The first is that a mentally deranged person could do something really stupid and violent – but that would likely have happened with any ideology and not just the Freeman one. The second is that you have a paramilitary-style group adopt the Freeman ideas – but that would a group predestined to violence with or without Freemanism.

In sum, I think Ireland will go the way of Canada rather than the more violent way of the US when it comes to this.

MilanPan!c

themadhair wrote: »

I have my doubts that Irish Freeman groups will perpetrate acts of violence, and certainly not as a primary result of Freeman ideology.

When we look at violence within Freeman groups we are pretty much forced to look at the US. But the violent groups have a history towards violence that is independent of their Freeman ideology. Militia groups and gun club nuts are commonplace, and that such already anti-government groups would adopt Freeman ideas isn't surprising.

If we look at Canadian Freeman groups we don't see any of the tendency towards violence we see in the US. It's odd that Canadian police on the ground are saying they are seeing no violence, but the Canadian chiefs are telling a different story (this is what happens why you invite US speakers to your annual conferences – you get the US perspective which the chiefs seem to be regurgitating). Canada, due to not having the underlying tendency towards violence in its anti-government groups (like the US does), simply hasn't imported the violence along with the ideology. I don't see any reason why Ireland would be much different in this regard.

All that said, you do always have two possibilities for violence. The first is that a mentally deranged person could do something really stupid and violent – but that would likely have happened with any ideology and not just the Freeman one. The second is that you have a paramilitary-style group adopt the Freeman ideas – but that would a group predestined to violence with or without Freemanism.

In sum, I think Ireland will go the way of Canada rather than the more violent way of the US when it comes to this.

I agree that Ireland is different, but I'd suggest it's different in ways you aren't acknowledging:

- The Irish movement has multiple "mainstream" leaders
- The Irish movement already has mass events (.e.g. stud farm, Gilroy's anyti-eviction media events, Debt Options, etc.)
- The Irish Freeman is a more modern movement, and is using social media, from the outset, to mobilise and spread propaganda
- We are already seeing language pushing violence in the movement, at this early stage

This is a VERY different evolution than what happened in Canada, The US and the UK. Don't be surprised if it doesn't play out the way you'd expect and don't be surprised if things change dramatically if Gilroy/Allen/etc. are thrown in jail.

Note how Gilroy frames his crusade

MilanPan!c

It's worth looking at the other videos uploaded on that YouTube channel, such as this:

Go have a look: http://www.youtube.com/user/banksger?feature=watch

EDIT: To be clear, why I am posting this: the Freeman movement in Ireland uses the language of the Irish revolution, and as we can see, uploads videos about this armed revolution.

Don't forget that the main Freeman "paper" in Ireland is the "Sovereign Independent".

They are choosing to associate themselves with violent revolution, and who knows where that will lead.