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Losty Dublin

MilanPan!c wrote: »

There's very dubious aspects of how the water meter mess is being pursued, from a consumer standpoint, and I would assume at some point someone will try and challenge it in a meaningful way again, but... this sort of protest tends to bring out the loons in Ireland... and probably everywhere...

Speaking of water meters, I saw a few social media links directing to this dropbox file.

Make what you will of it.

No Pants

BenRowe wrote: »

Is the protest in Cork just freemanism or is there a real legal challenge to the water meters possible?

I'm not sure if there would be a possible challenge to the meter installation itself, it's just a utility meter. If Irish water/the local council had some guts, they would simply move this area to the very end of the list of works and let Irish Water simply charge them what is supposed to be a more expensive flat rate until the residents ask for the meters to be installed.

MilanPan!c

No Pants wrote: »

I'm not sure if there would be a possible challenge to the meter installation itself, it's just a utility meter. If Irish water/the local council had some guts, they would simply move this area to the very end of the list of works and let Irish Water simply charge them what is supposed to be a more expensive flat rate until the residents ask for the meters to be installed.

I was talking to someone in this biz recently and they think there's at least one insane thing, which is:

Why does every home need a meter? Why not every neighbourhood, estate? At least at first.

That would be a million times cheaper and would allow them to phase in rates and would be basically unprotestable.

And. At this point half of the value of the meters is to the utility, as they have no idea where they're loosing all the water.

But that's all a different question than legal issues.

Beano

No Pants wrote: »

No, but if there's a statute of limitations preventing a prosection, then there's no conviction.

This is nothing to do with prosecuting him for the hijacking. It is prosecuting him for not paying taxes on is ill-gotten gains. which has no statute of limitation.

No Pants wrote: »

What evidence is there that he has the money at all?

Interesting scenario to me.

He was seen jumping out of the plane with the money in a bag. evidence enough i would say.

No Pants

Beano wrote: »

He was seen jumping out of the plane with the money in a bag. evidence enough i would say.

Long way between the plane and the ground.

No Pants

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Speaking of water meters, I saw a few social media links directing to this dropbox file.

Make what you will of it.

Took a brief look at it last night. I'm busy with schoolwork, but the first thing that struck me was the lack of referencing.

Robbo

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but have the staff of this "enterprise" been called to the Bar or have they come from a bar?:)

Any first or second year devil would kill for those cash drafting fees.

rameire wrote: »

The hub?

Possibly, but a more accurate description might be the Benisphere. They've had more splits and reunions than Liz Taylor.

Pro Hoc Vice

Robbo wrote: »

Any first or second year devil would kill for those cash drafting fees.

Possibly, but a more accurate description might be the Benisphere. They've had more splits and reunions than Liz Taylor.

Lol not just first or second year devils, I think most would happily do a affidavit for that payment.

rameire

Robbo wrote: »

Any first or second year devil would kill for those cash drafting fees.

Possibly, but a more accurate description might be the Benisphere. They've had more splits and reunions than Liz Taylor.

Sorry should have expanded on my naming,

They are known as " The Hub" on facemuck.

they are located on Little Mary Street, D 7.
They are constantly on about how they are sharing the information and getting cases thrown out, but they never have provided their names or the case names.
They say they are open to the public.

johnnykilo

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I was talking to someone in this biz recently and they think there's at least one insane thing, which is:

Why does every home need a meter? Why not every neighbourhood, estate? At least at first.

That would be a million times cheaper and would allow them to phase in rates and would be basically unprotestable.

And. At this point half of the value of the meters is to the utility, as they have no idea where they're loosing all the water.

But that's all a different question than legal issues.

Well because they couldn't give a toss about how much water they're losing, by all accounts installing these meters are creating even more leaks with all the digging / construction work. They don't care about the cost as it will be us that will be paying. This is simply another tax plain and simple, dressed up this time as for the good of the environment. I doubt Phil Hogan can even spell the word environment!

BornToKill

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Speaking of water meters, I saw a few social media links directing to this dropbox file.

Make what you will of it.

Looks like a copy and paste from a UK campaign. I am open to correction but I don't think Irish Water is installing smart meters with real time usage information transmitted by carcinogenic electronic frequencies. Is it not installing simple 'dumb' meters?

Losty Dublin

rameire wrote: »

Sorry should have expanded on my naming,

They are known as " The Hub" on facemuck.

they are located on Little Mary Street, D 7.
They are constantly on about how they are sharing the information and getting cases thrown out, but they never have provided their names or the case names.
They say they are open to the public.

From their website.

Our Mission Statement:

We are not legal eagles, solicitors or barristers, we know nothing of the law [in the legal sense], we do however, belong to a very powerful group who are taking back control of this era, bit by bit. The likes of debtoptions, Ben Gilroy, Claire Cullinan and Direct Democracy Ireland.

Get the last of the snake oil, last of the snake oil...

whippet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99s86MeRxQk&feature=youtu.be

The Ben Gilroy Show managed to get through the pilot stage and seems to have been added to the regular schedule. I'm in the office all day so I won't be able to get watch it .. probably Sky+ it and keep it for the weekend.

Robbo

rameire wrote: »

Sorry should have expanded on my naming,

They are known as " The Hub" on facemuck.

they are located on Little Mary Street, D 7.
They are constantly on about how they are sharing the information and getting cases thrown out, but they never have provided their names or the case names.
They say they are open to the public.

I'm pretty sure it's them but these charlatans like to play 3 card monte with their names.

In other news, I see at the end of March, Ben started proceedings against the Receivers, Solicitors, a named Garda and the Garda Commissioner no less, arising out of the Battle of Kennycourt Stud Farm.

Also, Permanent TSB have recently recently institued High Court proceedings against a Ben and Francis (otherwise Frank) Gilroy. If this our boy, are we looking at an investment portfolio here, given that his family home is mortgaged with one of the Subprimes?

Fred Swanson

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Losty Dublin

Robbo wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's them but these charlatans like to play 3 card monte with their names.

In other news, I see at the end of March, Ben started proceedings against the Receivers, Solicitors, a named Garda and the Garda Commissioner no less, arising out of the Battle of Kennycourt Stud Farm.

Also, Permanent TSB have recently recently institued High Court proceedings against a Ben and Francis (otherwise Frank) Gilroy. If this our boy, are we looking at an investment portfolio here, given that his family home is mortgaged with one of the Subprimes?

Isn't judgement due tomorrow on Ben's contempt hearing?

Sulla Felix

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Heard a snippet of something similar on Radio 1 the other day. Something something "tried to give the contractor my notice of non-consent and the guy said he didn't want it" etc.

ooter

Ben gilroy said in a recent radio interview that he repossessed his brother's (frank?) repossessed house and is currently renting it out.
He also said the brother in question is now in Australia.

Robbo

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Isn't judgement due tomorrow on Ben's contempt hearing?

The 29th I believe.

benway

Robbo wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's them but these charlatans like to play 3 card monte with their names.

Hard to figure, it does seem that Lay Litigation Ireland is someone other than one of the main movers and shakers.

I'm have heard tell of someone who does drafting for the bould Jeremiah "Michael Davitt" Beades, and may well be involved with this racket - he's never passed the bar that I'm aware of, on any given level.

But afaik certain other well known parties have been keeping themselves in pocket money through offering legal services for a while now: for people who express such distaste for lawyers, they seem to be awfully keen to start practising themselves.

Robbo wrote: »

other news, I see at the end of March, Ben started proceedings against the Receivers, Solicitors, a named Garda and the Garda Commissioner no less, arising out of the Battle of Kennycourt Stud Farm.

Taking a wild guess that Ben™ forgot to check s.17(2)(g) of the Defmation Act. Although knowing him, it's more likely he's trying to cash in his multi-millions on one of his famous Notices of Intent and Claim of Right

Robbo wrote: »

, Permanent TSB have recently recently institued High Court proceedings against a Ben and Francis (otherwise Frank) Gilroy. If this our boy, are we looking at an investment portfolio here, given that his family home is mortgaged with one of the Subprimes?

Seem to recall him bragging in one of his internet radio appearances that his brother had done a runner to Australia on a mortgage, so Benjamin™ went in, changed the locks and started renting the place out, guessing this may be it.

Right Turn Clyde

Hi. Someone posted a judgment on here a few months ago. It was a US or Canadian case that debunked this whole issue. I haven't the time to go through this entire thread to find it. Could someone post another link to it? Many thanks.

Pro Hoc Vice

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

Hi. Someone posted a judgment on here a few months ago. It was a US or Canadian case that debunked this whole issue. I haven't the time to go through this entire thread to find it. Could someone post another link to it? Many thanks.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html

Right Turn Clyde

Brilliant. Thank you! And yes, I am about to spend my Saturday night reading it. :-)

jd

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html

Reference in an Irish court as well
http://www.courts.ie/__80256F2B00356A6B.nsf/0/DF184C75E110FE3480257BC8004DF318?Open&Highlight=0,freeman,~language_en~

hullaballoo

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

Brilliant. Thank you! And yes, I am about to spend my Saturday night reading it. :-)

There are few better ways to spend a Saturday night!

relax carry on

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relax carry on wrote: »

While the officers and directors of the PLC are giving freely of their time & energy,
the company cannot run on fresh hot air.

Fixed his post.

relax carry on

Just a quick one to the resident Freemen experts. What exactly is the significance of typing certain words in capitals in Freemen drivel? Is it just to show emphasis or does it have some special Freeman significance? Its just that I have seen it appearing in multiple threads on boards usually linked in someway to Freeman ideas or related to conspiracy theories.

MilanPan!c

relax carry on wrote: »

Just a quick one to the resident Freemen experts. What exactly is the significance of typing certain words in capitals in Freemen drivel? Is it just to show emphasis or does it have some special Freeman significance? Its just that I have seen it appearing in multiple threads on boards usually linked in someway to Freeman ideas or related to conspiracy theories.

REAL significance? None.

Make believe significance, well... it probably varies from nut to nut... most of it has to do with the idea that there's "legal entities" that represent some other wonderful/sinister thing...

but the truth is, it's all just random nonsense... you'd have to ask the person what they think it means to know ... and even then...

johnnyskeleton

relax carry on wrote: »

Just a quick one to the resident Freemen experts. What exactly is the significance of typing certain words in capitals in Freemen drivel? Is it just to show emphasis or does it have some special Freeman significance? Its just that I have seen it appearing in multiple threads on boards usually linked in someway to Freeman ideas or related to conspiracy theories.

Like all things fremen, it probably has its origins in something that they saw in a solicitor's letter.

For example, solicitors will usually put "TAKE NOTICE" in capitals to make the important bit stand out. I assume the fremen have read into it more than was ever actually intended.