Late Track season Results

Brianderunner

Dan man wrote: »

It's a so-called rest day from competition, bar the women's 20km walk. It is not the first time that the champs have been scheduled as such, with some of the earlier editions adopting a rest-day around the midpoint of the schedule, example, Stuttgart 1993. Edmonton in 2001 had another variation whereby the only action on the opening day of competition was the women's marathon. My brain won't be able to handle this restday very well me thinks, starved from top class athletics after hours of must watch tv from the days before. Thank god for Olive Loughnane, her exploits in the walk should be enough to keep me going.

This way there is athletics on both weekends (Saturday and Sunday), the weekend is bound to generate more spectators and tv viewers. Be thankful they're not stretching it out over 9 days and diluting the program, like they are for the olympics. Olive Loughnane's race is essentially on Tuesday night (GMT anyway) so it's a full rest day on the Wednesday. We have US open tennis to keep us entertained then anyway

myflipflops

Asafa Powell out of the 100!!!!!

No Gay or Powell, disappointing.


http://www.athleticsweekly.com/news/asafa-powell-out-of-world-championships/

Edit to add a reputable source.

Pherekydes

Asafa Powell withdraws due to a recurrence of his groin injury, while Justin Gatlin battles frostbite!

G-Money

Barring some disaster, that's two more gold medals for Bolt in the 100m and 200m

Brianderunner

Not a total disaster when you have 12/1 on Yohan Blake, only the big man to beat now

But yeah its disappointing he's not there.

umpire bat

Any interest in this folks ?


http://iaafworldathleticsclub.org/WorldChamps/

Getoffmytrain

Start lists are out for the day 1.

http://daegu2011.iaaf.org/ResultsByDate.aspx?racedate=08-27-2011

Looks tough for the Irish competitors in the womens steeplechase, they will be aiming for fastest loser spots I'd say.

Cuddihy touch and go in the womens 400m too, probably needs to run 51.5 or so to progress; she's up against Allyson Felix and the former Novlene Williams.

Jason Smyth will be competing in the mens 100m heats in the evening session.

Gleeson90

Any1 know if they are on BBC or even RTE??

Brianderunner

Its on ch4 and eurosport from 1am tonight, no RTE by the looks of it. Might get a mention on the sports news right at the end if we win a medal :rolleyes:

RacoonQueen

They're on channel 4.

myflipflops

Interesting side note that Fionnuala Britton is drawn in the same heat as her Turkish nemesis Binnaz Uslu. She is the athlete beat Britton to Euro cross under 23 gold in 2006 (then got banned for PEDs 4 months later) and finished 2nd to Brittons 4th in the senior event last year.

Time for some revenge!

Dan man

Britton is in a real toughie, with Kenyan Njoroge and Tunisian medal prospect Ghribi. Britton has stepped up a level this year and I think she has every chance of making the final.

Pisco Sour

Just arrived in Daegu. There's posters, banners, billboards everywhere about the World Championships. Literally everywhere. I'm not sure what the attendances will be like, but nobody can say they didn't try to promote it here. You'd want to be walking around with your head up your arse not to know the event is going on.

Dan man

04072511 wrote: »

Just arrived in Daegu. There's posters, banners, billboards everywhere about the World Championships. Literally everywhere. I'm not sure what the attendances will be like, but nobody can say they didn't try to promote it here. You'd want to be walking around with your head up your arse not to know the event is going on.

Sounds brill, would love to be there cheering on the Irish.

notsofast

04072511 wrote: »

Just arrived in Daegu. There's posters, banners, billboards everywhere about the World Championships. Literally everywhere. I'm not sure what the attendances will be like, but nobody can say they didn't try to promote it here. You'd want to be walking around with your head up your arse not to know the event is going on.

Hey 04072511, great to have updates from the venue itself. Keep up the good work !!

Pisco Sour

Gutting for Fionnuala, missing out on the final by just 1 place. She was just 1.13 seconds off the final fastest loser spot. She ran 9:41, and with her PB being 9:37, she ran pretty close to her best. A solid performance.

Stephanie Reilly finished 22nd of the 33 athletes with 9:55.

This morning also saw some well built chap from American Samoa run a personal best of 15.66 for 100m. He needs work on his start! Lost a solid 2 metres on the rest of the field before he even got into his stride! Funny stuff!

Quite a decent crowd there this morning, given the fact it is a morning session and the programme was pretty rubbish. I do get the impression though that not many of the Koreans know much about what they are watching, but it is great to see them embrace it.

I got a sneaky photo with Steve Hooker afterwards. He was wandering around by himself outside, no doubt gutted about his performance today. I wasn't going to bother him, but then decided that screw it, I'll ask for a pic. He was very polite, despite one of the worst days of his career.

Had a chat witha New Zealand 50k Walker on the metro back from the stadium. He told me about the new drug testing. Evey single athletes has a compulsory blood test, and also a compulsory urine test. Then after that any athlete can be randomly tested again. This guy has been called back again randomly. In addition to all of this, the top 6 athletes in each event get testing afterwards as usual. It is quite rigorous which is great to see. It is this guys first major championships, and you can tell. He looked like a little kid lost in New York, looking for where the athletes village is on the map, and how to get back there. You'd think his association would have all that sorted for him!!

robinph

Just started the Tivo playing back last nights coverage and first thing on is a false start for a marathon.

dkb

Start lists for day 2 are out.
Bekele is starting the 10,000!
Pistorius in the 400.

robinph

The guy doing the links on C4 is rubbish.

Doesn't know the names of athletes is pretty poor but you can forgive them pronouncing names wrong, but he doesn't even know the names of the rest of the commentating team and can't seem to read his prompt sheet.

Pherekydes

robinph wrote: »

The guy doing the links on C4 is rubbish.

Doesn't know the names of athletes is pretty poor but you can forgive them pronouncing names wrong, but he doesn't even know the names of the rest of the commentating team and can't seem to read his prompt sheet.

He's woeful. His questions for Michael Johnson are cringe inducing. He looks decidedly uncomfortable. Completely out of his depth.

Woddle

robinph wrote: »

The guy doing the links on C4 is rubbish.

Doesn't know the names of athletes is pretty poor but you can forgive them pronouncing names wrong, but he doesn't even know the names of the rest of the commentating team and can't seem to read his prompt sheet.

Just waiting for eurosport coverage to start before I switch over.

robinph

Woddle wrote: »

Just waiting for eurosport coverage to start before I switch over.

But then you don't get Johnson actually saying intelligent things.

Gringo78

04072511 wrote: »

This morning also saw some well built chap from American Samoa run a personal best of 15.66 for 100m. He needs work on his start! Lost a solid 2 metres on the rest of the field before he even got into his stride! Funny stuff!

Why do they enter? An American Samoan WOMAN ran 14sec in Berlin....surely they have a man there that can run faster than 15sec?? Is it a case of the guy had the money to pay his own way so he was the fastest man who'd fork out the money for the ticket??

ecoli

robinph wrote: »

The guy doing the links on C4 is rubbish.

Doesn't know the names of athletes is pretty poor but you can forgive them pronouncing names wrong, but he doesn't even know the names of the rest of the commentating team and can't seem to read his prompt sheet.

Thank god I dont have volume on my stream so

In relation to the "token" athletes. I think the prelim is a good idea. Athletes who would have never gotten any exposure previously because racing against the top competitors are often overshadowed are now being touted as fastest in a field on live TV and their fellow countrymen can get behind them.

These athletes will probably have the whole countries athletics community as well as the odd casual fan from their countries so it can inspire and promote the sport somewhat domestically seeing their athletes win a round at the world championships.

You also have the the fact that they get rid of some of the nerves of competing at the top level in the first round which can give them bit of a booost in the first round

belle_09

Good to see Joanne qualifying & running a seasons best

Dan man

Joanne Cuddihy in superb championship form as usual. S.B. of 51.82 sees her safely through to the semi-finals. Lane 7 really suited her as she had the very talented Novlene Mills outside her to pace her through the first 200/300m. Hopefully she will get a reasonable lane draw in the next round.

Pherekydes

ecoli wrote: »

In relation to the "token" athletes. I think the prelim is a good idea.

I think it's completely pointless in its current form. These athletes don't belong with the elites, so they run their own preliminaries, yet 15 of the women qualified for the 1st round proper with times slower than 12 seconds.

An improvement might be all 'A' standard athletes get a bye, with the remaining places, say 10, coming from the top ten in the prelims.

robinph

Pherekydes wrote: »

An improvement might be all 'A' standard athletes get a bye, with the remaining places, say 10, coming from the top ten in the prelims.

But then you need to sufficiently tire out the "A" athletes somehow to make it fair and as if they have all done the prelim rounds.

Perfectly acceptable IMO for the lower standard athletes to take part, if their home association is prepared to send them then they have a right to be there representing their country on the world stage.

robinph

DOH!!! More false starts.

Although the way Orhorugu was running recently I don't think she'd have been getting through anyway.

ecoli

Pherekydes wrote: »

I think it's completely pointless in its current form. These athletes don't belong with the elites, so they run their own preliminaries, yet 15 of the women qualified for the 1st round proper with times slower than 12 seconds.

An improvement might be all 'A' standard athletes get a bye, with the remaining places, say 10, coming from the top ten in the prelims.

I agree it doesnt really tackle the size of rounds but that is the nature of the "one athlete for every non represented nation rule". They all put the athlete in the 100m because the gap in talent is least apparent.

Even if you cut the numbers you are still gonna have 6 heats (if you cut it to top 8 qualify to keep it even heats)

I think its about developing the sport in areas of non athletics tradition and to me maximum exposure and participation is crucial for talent development world wide

(Maybe im just a bit of a naive idealist:D)

ecoli

robinph wrote: »

But then you need to sufficiently tire out the "A" athletes somehow to make it fair and as if they have all done the prelim rounds.
Perfectly acceptable IMO for the lower standard athletes to take part, if their home association is prepared to send them then they have a right to be there representing their country on the world stage.

This was the reason why the rule was to be introduced though, to decrease injury risk of the top names who seem to go through regardless (Only notable one I know of in recent times to not make it out of first heat was Derrick Atkins)

robinph

ecoli wrote: »

This was the reason why the rule was to be introduced though, to decrease injury risk of the top names who seem to go through regardless (Only notable one I know of in recent times to not make it out of first heat was Derrick Atkins)

What have they done to deserve special treatment though?

ecoli

robinph wrote: »

What have they done to deserve special treatment though?

Achieved the A standard:D

Pherekydes

robinph wrote: »

What have they done to deserve special treatment though?

It seems they are being discriminated against on the basis of their nationality. If 11 second 100m runners are OK, then why can't every 11 second runner compete? The Americans have sub 10 runners absent.

Why have standards at all if they aren't going to apply them?

This is the world championships. We should have the world's best here, regardless of nationality.

robinph

Depends on if you consider it a competition between the best from each country in the world, or as a competition between the best individuals in the world.

The likes of Diamond League are surely for the individuals to compete against each other, the World Championships are countries competing against each other.

Would be like having the football world cup as between the club teams rather than between national teams.

TheRoadRunner

Delighted channel 4 are showing the champs but their commentary is brutal. Even Michael Johnson seems bemused.

Pherekydes

robinph wrote: »

Depends on if you consider it a competition between the best from each country in the world, or as a competition between the best individuals in the world.

This is an individual sport. It this was a competition between countries then why isn't every country represented in every event?

We have the European team championships and the World Cup for that other stuff.

ecoli

robinph wrote: »

Depends on if you consider it a competition between the best from each country in the world, or as a competition between the best individuals in the world.

The likes of Diamond League are surely for the individuals to compete against each other, the World Championships are countries competing against each other.

Would be like having the football world cup as between the club teams rather than between national teams.

Out of interest how did Ireland do in 1983 in overall team standings? Or even who topped the medal table? And who won the 5k?

The Worlds like OG is an individual thing I am afraid but that is the nature of the sport for the most part

There are very few team events in this sport (Euro team championships and relays only two that come to mind off hand

Dan man

Pherekydes wrote: »

It seems they are being discriminated against on the basis of their nationality. If 11 second 100m runners are OK, then why can't every 11 second runner compete? The Americans have sub 10 runners absent.

Why have standards at all if they aren't going to apply them?

This is the world championships. We should have the world's best here, regardless of nationality.

This is a debate that always rears its head at the major championships. Personally, I love to see athletes from these so-called minor nations competing. For me, they are a positive edition to the event and giving these countries some form of representation embodies a lot of what I love about athletics. I take on board though the problem that there are dozens of top class athletes who don't get a chance to show off their talents. Personally though, seeing 20-30 U.S./Jamaican /Kenyan/Ethiopian athletes on the start-line would not add to my enjoyment of the champs.However, this is my opinion and I can see the viewpoint of those who stand on the other side of the fence.

Pherekydes

Dan man wrote: »

This is a debate that always rears its head at the major championships. Personally, I love to see athletes from these so-called minor nations competing. For me, they are a positive edition to the event and giving these countries some form of representation embodies a lot of what I love about athletics. I take on board though the problem that there are dozens of top class athletes who don't get a chance to show off their talents. Personally though, seeing 20-30 U.S./Jamaican /Kenyan/Ethiopian athletes on the start-line would not add to my enjoyment of the champs.However, this is my opinion and I can see the viewpoint of those who stand on the other side of the fence.

Of course! I don't see how a 15.66 second 100m man adds to the 100m championship. Or any 11 second man, for that matter. That guy wouldn't have qualified from the women's prelims.

robinph

100m - only Jamacains need apply
Marathon - only Kenyans need apply
Javelin - only Scandinavians need apply

Really wouldn't make for a very interesting championship for watching, competing in, or more importantly for the sponsors.

It's the best three from each country. Simples.

Edit: And who pays your airfare to get you to the competition?

If it's your national sports council then it is a team event and you are competing for your country.
If it's you or your sponsors paying then it's an individual and you'll probably be getting a nice cash prize for winning the event.

ecoli

I think the point that is trying to be made is that although making these "minority country athletes" run an extra round is no more discrimination as people being excluded because they come from an event dominant nation

Pherekydes

robinph wrote: »

100m - only Jamacains need apply
Marathon - only Kenyans need apply
Javelin - only Scandinavians need apply

Really wouldn't make for a very interesting championship for watching, competing in, or more importantly for the sponsors.

It's the best three from each country. Simples.

Hit the nail on the head there!

The rest of your post is nonsense. Scandinavians only in the Javelin? What about the Finns, Czechs, Russians, Cubans, Americans, South Africans...?

100m: Jamaicans only? Give over will ya?

3 per event? Unless it's 4, or zero. Why do some countries deserve 4 and others one? Standards?

Then apply them to all.

Pherekydes

2 Kenyan clean sweeps out of 2.

So much for the poor sponsors, and where were the Europeans?

Brianderunner

Had a weeks wages on cheryuiot at 2/1. Tougher than i thought it would be. Drinks on me

robinph

Pherekydes wrote: »

Hit the nail on the head there!

The rest of your post is nonsense. Scandinavians only in the Javelin? What about the Finns, Czechs, Russians, Cubans, Americans, South Africans...?

100m: Jamaicans only? Give over will ya?

3 per event? Unless it's 4, or zero. Why do some countries deserve 4 and others one? Standards?

Then apply them to all.

Yep, the post was nonsense, but that was the point. When did Finland leave Scandinavia?

Pherekydes wrote: »

2 Kenyan clean sweeps out of 2.

So much for the poor sponsors, and where were the Europeans?

Yeah, but would it have been better to have a field of 20 Kenyans. I'm sure they could have found a fair amount that were faster than the next Ethiopians if they wanted to for both events.

ecoli

Anyone else kinda scared that Kenya are 6/6 for medals so far. Usually they have solid teams but in recent years their dominance had stagnated slightly but looks like they back. Compare these to Berlin and Kenyan women won 1 medal in these two events

Pherekydes

robinph wrote: »

Yep, the post was nonsense, but that was the point. When did Finland leave Scandinavia?


Yeah, but would it have been better to have a field of 20 Kenyans. I'm sure they could have found a fair amount that were faster than the next Ethiopians if they wanted to for both events.

Finland was never part of Scandinavia.

20 Kenyans: no problems. You'd prefer 3 Kenyans repeatedly lapping some poor girl from Guam? That'd be fun?

robinph

Pherekydes wrote: »

Finland was never part of Scandinavia.

20 Kenyans: no problems. You'd prefer 3 Kenyans repeatedly lapping some poor girl from Guam? That'd be fun?

Go and watch the Kenyan national championships then, tickets are probably cheap. Yes, I'd rather see more countries competing and each sending their best. It all eventually gets whittled down to generally the fastest taking part in the finals of the shorter events, the longer events become tactical races rather than time trials you get at grand prix events with pace makers.

Seems there are a few different definitions of Scandinavia on the ever reliable wikipedia. But anyway it's still somewhere up north and cold so close enough.

sleapy235

I think the 3 per country rule is a good idea, it makes it far more interesting even if the Kenyans still end up doing clean sweeps. I find it hard to have interest in many Diamond League events when theres so many from the same country in the race. At the end of the day its about money and maximising viewers.
There's only 3 medals anyway in every event so theres no need for any country to have more than 3. In swimming each country is only allowed 2 and its worse again in boxing, 1 per country, so you can have situations where one of the best boxers in the world might not make the Olympics just because he's Russian. So 3 per country is a relatively generous quota.