Late Track season Results

myflipflops

rarnes1 wrote: »

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it's on C4

Not available in manila! Apart from UK/Ireland, rest of the wrold missed 8k of the race to watch 3rd round of the discus and shots of long jumpers walking around.

It's pretty easy to see why the sport struggles to attract viewers and sponsors.

ecoli

Where the hell does a 27.02 runner get that kinda kick off a race at near PB pace in a race with constant surging?

Larry Brent

Salazaar's been saying all year they haven't done any work on his finishing speed yet, so perhaps there's something to it.

ecoli

Larry Brent wrote: »

Salazaar's been saying all year they haven't done any work on his finishing speed yet, so perhaps there's something to it.

He Closed in 53 not buying that and has out kicked Merga (a notable kicker) previously this season

Larry Brent

myflipflops wrote: »

Not available in manila! Apart from UK/Ireland, rest of the wrold missed 8k of the race to watch 3rd round of the discus and shots of long jumpers walking around.

It's pretty easy to see why the sport struggles to attract viewers and sponsors.

They have to sort this out. It'd be like focusing on Jamie Carragher for 5 minutes when Suarez has the ball at the other end of the pitch. Surely having a small square at the top corner of the screen with the other event could be accommodated.

gerard65

Was watching the American - Rupp? great run for 7th.

myflipflops

ecoli wrote: »

Where the hell does a 27.02 runner get that kinda kick off a race at near PB pace in a race with constant surging?

He's clearly much better than 27.02. His SB this year is from the one 10k he ran (27.09) where he lapped the whole field on a solo run.

I had never heard of the guy before I priced up the race the other day and I'm a geek. Where have they been hiding him?

Larry Brent

ecoli wrote: »

He Closed in 53

He didn't win though! That's Salazaar's point. Obviously his natural finishing speed is exceptional, but they haven't done any specific work on it. When he can tolerate the training loads and all the extra strength and conditioning work he's been introduced to this year then Salazaar is going to work on the final piece of the jigsaw, finishing speed.

gerard65

myflipflops wrote: »

I had never heard of the guy before I priced up the race the other day and I'm a geek. Where have they been hiding him?

Did they say he was a world junior champion?

myflipflops

gerard65 wrote: »

Did they say he was a world junior champion?

World Junior 10k in 2006 and world junior cross in 2008. PBs are from 2006 and he seems not to have improved again until this year.

Pherekydes

myflipflops wrote: »

World Junior 10k in 2006 and world junior cross in 2008. PBs are from 2006 and he seems not to have improved again until this year.

Yes, apparently he's now 22.

gerard65

OMG:eek: Bolt is out. Who would have predicted that?

ecoli

gerard65 wrote: »

OMG:eek: Bolt is out. Who would have predicted that?

Prob BriandeRunner (had Blake @ 12/1 backed:D)

walshb

Bolt out. Holy ****! I despise this rule. Not just for Bolt, but for any sprinter.
And it's not unbelieveable. The slightest nerve or jump and you are out. Even Bolt is susceptible.

Brianderunner

12/1 yohan blake baby never so happy to see someone dq'd

tough for Bolt.

It's a harsh rule in fairness.

markie29

im speechless...i cannot believe Bolt false started.

surely now they have to change the rule because it has taken away the biggest name in athletics from running in the 100m final.

Larry Brent

The one that got away for LaMaitre. Not himself in lane 8.

titan18

markie29 wrote: »

im speechless...i cannot believe Bolt false started.

surely now they have to change the rule because it has taken away the biggest name in athletics from running in the 100m final.

I disagree with the rule, but changing it cos Bolt false starts would be crap. He doesn't need to do it, it's his own fault. Probably LeMaitre's best chance of gold there,considering it's missing the 3 best in the world

Pherekydes

markie29 wrote: »

im speechless...i cannot believe Bolt false started.

surely now they have to change the rule because it has taken away the biggest name in athletics from running in the 100m final.

Haha, the rules are there for everyone, not just the Usain Bolts of the sport.

markie29

titan18 wrote: »

I disagree with the rule, but changing it cos Bolt false starts would be crap. He doesn't need to do it, it's his own fault.

i agree it was his own fault.....but look what happened Joanne Cuddihy this morning as well...she trained hard every day for the last few years for today and one minor mistake has cost her the chance to compete on the worlds biggest stage.

unfair rule.

Larry Brent

titan18 wrote: »

I disagree with the rule, but changing it cos Bolt false starts would be crap. He doesn't need to do it, it's his own fault. Probably LeMaitre's best chance of gold there,considering it's missing the 3 best in the world

Exactly, where were the complaints after Ohurugu, or Cuddihy and everyone else...

No Bolt, Gay or Powell in the final. You wouldn't want to be cynical.

titan18

markie29 wrote: »

i agree it was his own fault.....but look what happened Joanne Cuddihy this morning as well...she trained hard every day for the last few years for today and one minor mistake has cost her the chance to compete on the worlds biggest stage.

unfair rule.

It is unfair I agree, prefer the 1 warning for the whole field, but they've all seen other athletes go out already, why take a chance with it. You can get unlucky, but Bolt was out a long way ahead of it

Sooopie

rarnes1 wrote: »

tough for Bolt.

It's a harsh rule in fairness.

Its a ridiculous rule, absolutely ridiculous.

ecoli

One story that will completely be swallowed up by the Bolt fiasco but deserves a mention. Kim Collins wins his fourth 100m medal at worlds at the age of 35. His first medal was 10 years ago. Very few runners in history (if any that i can think of) have medalled at four seperate championships

nerraw1111

He jumped the gun.

markie29

ecoli wrote: »

One story that will completely be swallowed up by the Bolt fiasco but deserves a mention. Kim Collins wins his fourth 100m medal at worlds at the age of 35. His first medal was 10 years ago. Very few runners in history (if any that i can think of) have medalled at four seperate championships

yeah i was delighted for him to win a medal.....coming from such a tiny nation he deserves great credit for his achievements throughout his career especially today at the age of 35.

Pherekydes

titan18 wrote: »

It is unfair I agree, prefer the 1 warning for the whole field, but they've all seen other athletes go out already, why take a chance with it. You can get unlucky, but Bolt was out a long way ahead of it

It's a fair rule because it's exactly the same for every athlete.

The previous rule was unfair and illogical. Some athletes could false start and just get a warning, while others were DQ'd on their first false start.

walshb

Pherekydes wrote: »

It's a fair rule because it's exactly the same for every athlete.

The previous rule was unfair and illogical. Some athletes could false start and just get a warning, while others were DQ'd on their first false start.

The previous rule was even worse, as you mention. I don't know what to think now. The original rule was the best, but I gues for time delays and all that it wasn't good.

myflipflops

ecoli wrote: »

One story that will completely be swallowed up by the Bolt fiasco but deserves a mention. Kim Collins wins his fourth 100m medal at worlds at the age of 35. His first medal was 10 years ago. Very few runners in history (if any that i can think of) have medalled at four seperate championships

Completely agree, he is one of my favorite athletes. A truly clean sprinter and a nice guy.

walshb

myflipflops wrote: »

Completely agree, he is one of my favorite athletes. A truly clean sprinter and a nice guy.

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BTW, watching this on Chann 4 is just not near as good as on the beeb. Pity they aren't covering it

Larry Brent

walshb wrote: »

The previous rule was even worse, as you mention. I don't know what to think now. The original rule was the best, but I gues for time delays and all that it wasn't good.

Maybe they could bring in something like you're allowed 1 a season. Or 3 in your career.

RoyMcC

myflipflops wrote: »

Watching Eurosport stream which gets the local directors coverage. They are showing 3rd round of the discus and crowd shots and f*ck all of the 10k. Universal sports coverage (where most americans will be watching) showing the same crap. Very frustrating.

Yes, God forbid they show a bit of throwing for a change

myflipflops

walshb wrote: »

Truly clean? How would you know? And, at 35 and doing that? Alarm bells are ringing, much like when old Linford was winning and improving with age.

i should say, 'in my opinion completely clean'. I like the idea of a skinny guy with a beautiful running style winning medlas rather than the muscle bulging guys. His world champs gold came in the slowest time in decades i think. He has hadd a very consistant, believable career.

What Collins did today wasn't that big a shock in terms of athletic perfromance. He got a bronze running 10.08 (not even a seasons best i think) in a race where the top 4 runners in the world rankings were missing. Comparisons to Linford Christie winning the Olympics are pretty far fetched.

RoyMcC wrote: »

Yes, God forbid they show a bit of throwing for a change

No problem cutting to other action but it's round 3 of the competition and we don't need to see throwers walking into/out of the cage and then replays of fouls.

Let's face it, there is also a massively varying level of general interest in the different events with the mens 100 at the top. The womens discus is going to be pretty low down that list. The coverage was directed in a way that would put of any casual fan.

Woddle

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Woddle

Didn't realise I was such a Mo Farrah fan till I found myself on my knees screaming ''NOOOoo'' at the TV, made the baby cry

RoyMcC

myflipflops wrote: »

No problem cutting to other action but it's round 3 of the competition and we don't need to see throwers walking into/out of the cage and then replays of fouls.

Let's face it, there is also a massively varying level of general interest in the different events with the mens 100 at the top. The womens discus is going to be pretty low down that list. The coverage was directed in a way that would put of any casual fan.

Have to take your word for the coverage. But tbh field events fans usually have to watch lap after lap of the settling-in stages of distance races with maybe a token shot of a winning throw. Of course no one will be interested in women's discus unless there's some effort to present and explain the event, the personalities, rules etc. Maybe the balance is being redressed.

Hope they show full and uncut coverage of the men's shot :cool:

Rjd2

walshb wrote: »

The previous rule was even worse, as you mention. I don't know what to think now. The original rule was the best, but I gues for time delays and all that it wasn't good.

Not sure if depriving the world of seeing the sports biggest draw in his glory is really worth it to save a few minutes.


Oh and

Last year another of Bolt's rivals, Tyson Gay — absent from today's race after getting injured before the US trials — had criticised the false-start rules, claiming: "If it happened [to Usain Bolt] at the Olympics or World Championships – without Usain Bolt the race is going to have an asterisk to the side. It just doesn't make sense. If it is not changed, it will hurt our sport."

Guardian

Tangle2

These things happen, such is the nature of sport. Isinbeyeva has no heighted in the past, Chambers and Joanne Cuddihy suffered the same fate. Bolt knew the rules and his concentration lapsed. He'll make ammends next time. Maybe its a refection of my age but I'd like to see a little less fooling around from him at the start - maybe this will focus him. I don't think he'll make that mistake again.

It was sporting of him to accept the decision and not protest- a measure of the man as a champion.

Pisco Sour

Just back from the stadium. The entire crowd gasped when Bolt was DQ'ed. It was quite remarkeable. It was the reason most of the 40,000 - 50,000 were in the stadium, the only athlete people cheered for when announced. A little funny when you think about it in that way!

Absolutely stupid of him though. All this talk about the false start rule being unfair, I can't agree with regards Bolt. This was a HUGE false start, almost as bad as Christine Ohuruogu. He jumped the gun. It wasn't unlucky, it was plain stupid, and he should know better. He's been there enough times. Also his antics, taking off his shirt was a bit ridiculous. Lots of people false start and you never see that sort of rubbish (except Jon Drummond in 2003).

Gutted for Joanne. Really am. She was running well and I thought she was going to finish top 12. Was talking to some auld geezer, about 80, dressed in athletics ireland gear. He was saying that Joanne's performance in false starting was a bit of a disgrace. I had to bite my lip big time!!!

Darya Klishina has gone way down in my books. Granted she performed dreadfully, and yes I suppose I shouldn't have asked her for a photo given the circumstances, but it's still no excuse for simply nodding her head at my request and walking on. Steve Hooker had similar disappointment yesterday, and yet was very polite and took 5 seconds out of his day to get a photograph with a fan. I'll be leaving a comment on her facebook fan page, before swiftly "unlikeing" myself from it!

velo.2010

Adverts are choking the atmosphere when watching these champs. Not as much studio chat on C4 as the BBC(was anything actually live on that channel) but then they don't have the time!

Strange no RTE coverage when they've gone to the trouble of showing European indoor and outdoor before. Maybe thats Irish athlete winning medal dependant. No Eurosport here and I'd prefer watching on TV than on the laptop so its C4 for now. Wonder how much Johnson is getting for this, probably half the C4 budget!

Lemaitre was disappointing in the final, still reckon he can take silver in the 200m. Great 10,000m.

Caprica

A very anti-climatic end to an a good days athletics. Bolt has no one to blame but himself. I agree with the rule, I wonder was he chasing after a really fast time and he was looking for a flying start. If not dq'ed he would have won at a canter. Was expecting more from Lemaitre, a medal was easily within his grasp. Well done to Kim Collins.

Did not think Mo was going to be caught in the 10k, he really went for it. Very impressive finishing speed by Jeilan. Looks a bit older that his 22 years. Was watching on Eurosport and as with yesterdays Womens 10k and marathon, the coverage was poor. I say I seen 7/8 mins of the race. In yesterdays marathon they missed the break, returned to it to see the 3 Kenyans on their own.

Really impressed with Hardee in the Decathlon, I thought it was Eatons to lose but Hardee really rose to the challenge. Good to see Sebrle still competing. Very dissappointing for Cuddihy, I was expecting another good run today, Sanya Richards had a poor run, thought she was rounding into form but will struggle to medal in the final.

Merrit looked very impressive in the 400 heats. Rudisha looks odds on for the 800, I was as impressed with Kaki in todays semi.

electrictrad

RoyMcC wrote: »

Hope they show full and uncut coverage of the men's shot :cool:

Heres hoping that they do, it'll be the most competitive event of the championships. . . realistically any of 5 athletes could win, Armstrong, Cantwell, Hoffa, Nelson, and Michnevich. . .all 5 in the unique position of their 2nd best throws not being good enough to have beaten the best throws of any of the other 4 this season - given that they all have 6 throws a competition, thats quite something - http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=2011/sex=M/all=n/legal=A/disc=SP/detail.html

velo.2010 wrote: »

Lemaitre was disappointing in the final, still reckon he can take silver in the 200m.

If Lemaitre can't win a world 100m final without Bolt, Gay, or Powell, it'd be hard to feel as if he deserved it, to be fair. . .on the other hand, twould be good to see a European run Bolt close. . .and by run close, I really mean just finish 2nd, as Bolt in the 2 should be unstoppable. . .

G-Money

Why don't they just give false starters a warning and then if the same person false starts the 2nd time, boot them out?

Pherekydes

G-Money wrote: »

Why don't they just give false starters a warning and then if the same person false starts the 2nd time, boot them out?

That was the original rule, but some early rounds took ages to complete because you had lots of novices false starting.

G-Money

Pherekydes wrote: »

That was the original rule, but some early rounds took ages to complete because you had lots of novices false starting.

Got to be better than the current rule. Sure I saw some race earlier this year, I think it might have been the New York Diamond League and there was about 3 false starts in the final of the 100m.

I suspect they might change the rule after this. Can you imagine the same thing happening at the Olympics?

donothoponpop

G-Money wrote: »

Got to be better than the current rule. Sure I saw some race earlier this year, I think it might have been the New York Diamond League and there was about 3 false starts in the final of the 100m.

I suspect they might change the rule after this. Can you imagine the same thing happening at the Olympics?

Back when athletes were only disqualified on their 2nd false start, you had to endure the spectacle of several athletes "gamble" their first false start on beating the gun (and getting a 0.1sec reaction time). Heats would go on for ages, as eight runners preened, strutted, settled into the blocks, said a prayer, shuffled down slowly, stretched their legs, inched their fingers back behind the white line... false started, and began the whole spectacle again. Four or more false starts in a race was not unusual.

They changed things in 2003 so that the second runner to false start- regardless of who had false-started first- was disqualified. This sped things up, but it still meant runners were prepared to gamble on reaction times beating the gun, so this was ditched in 2010.

The current set-up works well, its only drawback is the appalling vista of the biggest draw in athletics falling victim to the no-false-start rule, which happened today. So they will change things again, before the Olympics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/14700797.stm

wgtomblin

G-Money wrote: »

Got to be better than the current rule. Sure I saw some race earlier this year, I think it might have been the New York Diamond League and there was about 3 false starts in the final of the 100m.

I suspect they might change the rule after this. Can you imagine the same thing happening at the Olympics?

If they change the rule back to what it was, then we will be back to the situation of several false starts once again, and not all of them accidental. The problem with the original rule was that some athletes exploited it to try and unsettle other competitors.

The short-lived revised rule that allowed the field one false start didn't completely remove this issue.

The current rule is the fairest solution IMO, though I hate to see any athlete DQ'd because of it, whether it is Usain Bolt or anyone else.

donothoponpop

From the BBC link-

"The false-start rule that saw Usain Bolt disqualified from the World Championships 100m final will be discussed by the IAAF next Sunday.
Olympic and defending world champion Bolt was thrown out of the showpiece final after one false start in Daegu.
A spokesman for the world athletics governing body said the rule, which was introduced in 2010, "could be changed"."

Ato Bolton has been talking about this for some time now- he predicted that UB would false-start in a major semi- or final, and this would lead to the IAAF changing the rule.

I don't know what would be better to replace it with (or if they should). Intuitively I think an athlete should be allowed one false start in the Championship, to be carried from round to round. Those athletes who make the final, having jumped the gun in an earlier heat, will be "penalized" by having a slower reaction time in the final. However, that's not ideal either, and I get the feeling that if Bolt had been carrying a yellow card, and got the red in the final, they would tinker with the rules again. Hard cases make for bad laws, maybe the current system is fairest all round.

Hard Worker

04072511 wrote: »

Gutted for Joanne. Really am. She was running well and I thought she was going to finish top 12. Was talking to some auld geezer, about 80, dressed in athletics ireland gear. He was saying that Joanne's performance in false starting was a bit of a disgrace. I had to bite my lip big time!!!

Had you never met Harry before? He's not just any auld geezer