Mega Winter Tyres thread, all questions here!!

fletch · 21-09-2011 3:50pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Interesting, I have found this to be true in the real world as well, but odd that common consensus online is the opposite.

I would say it is because Winter tyres are a softer/stickier compound so thus increase resistance?
I recall seeing a marked increase in consumption in my car when I changed from a cheap summer tyre(Sunny SN3800) to a grippier summer tyre(Goodyear Eagle F1). The tyres were exactly the same size, just different rubber compound.

Matt Simis · 21-09-2011 3:53pm

fletch wrote: »

I would say it is because Winter tyres are a softer/stickier compound so thus increase resistance?
I recall seeing a marked increase in consumption in my car when I changed from a cheap summer tyre(Sunny SN3800) to a grippier summer tyre(Goodyear Eagle F1). The tyres were exactly the same size, just different rubber compound.

Yeah but it seems in reality Winters get better MPG. Maybe its due to the fact their larger grooves actually mean less contact on dry road, therefore less resistance?

49801 wrote: »

any1 know what the typical thread depths are of new winter tyres?

8 to 10mm, so for part worn winters try to get 6mm and above.

opinion guy · 21-09-2011 3:57pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Yeah but it seems in reality Winters get better MPG. Maybe its due to the fact their larger grooves actually mean less contact on dry road, therefore less resistance?

8 to 10mm, so for part worn winters try to get 6mm and above.

You sure your outer diameter isn't just a little bit different on the winters ??

Anan1 · 21-09-2011 4:03pm

opinion guy wrote: »

You sure your outer diameter isn't just a little bit different on the winters ??

That would give him longer miles per gallon, as opposed to more of them.;)

opinion guy · 21-09-2011 4:15pm

Anan1 wrote: »

That would give him longer miles per gallon, as opposed to more of them.;)

Depends on whether the outer diameter is bigger or smaller doesn't it

tinner777 · 21-09-2011 9:45pm

tinner777 wrote: »

lads if i have unto €100 to spend per tyre which one would you pick from the eiretyre site?

any takers?

slimjimmc · 21-09-2011 10:49pm

650Ginge wrote: »

Winters have less contact with the road, less rolling road resistance and with therefore use less petrol.

Winters have softer sidewalls and flex more, the threads are slightly softer which means the thread blocks flex more too. All that flexing uses up energy and increases rolling resistance but not a significant increase. It's no coincidence that those eco/low resistance tyres are also hard wearing.

Anan1 · 21-09-2011 10:53pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Yeah but it seems in reality Winters get better MPG. Maybe its due to the fact their larger grooves actually mean less contact on dry road, therefore less resistance?

Or maybe you just cane it a bit less on your winters?:)

No1J · 21-09-2011 11:52pm

Octavia winter boots, anyone have an opinion, only about €5 difference per wheel.

Continental T8 810 with ridge
" " 830
Nokian WR D3 BSW
Vredestein Snowtreck 3 M+S

The Continentals are the obvious choice as they come as standard on Skoda. I heard the Vredestein are very good but are they more for snow and ice in colder climes.

cdb · 22-09-2011 10:08am

No1J wrote: »

Octavia winter boots, anyone have an opinion, only about €5 difference per wheel.

Continental T8 810 with ridge
" " 830
Nokian WR D3 BSW
Vredestein Snowtreck 3 M+S

The Continentals are the obvious choice as they come as standard on Skoda. I heard the Vredestein are very good but are they more for snow and ice in colder climes.

Based on my experience last winter I'd recommend the Continentals. I put a set of part-worn 810's on my C180 and found them to be very reassuring in fresh and slushy snow, not as good on packed ice obviously but still a massive improvement over the standard Bridgestones that were on it before.

If the Continental 830's are available at a similar price they would be better again - according to the reviews I read at the time at least.

Weylin · 22-09-2011 11:16am

Kwik-Fit urges fleets to book winter tyres now

21/09/2011 in News Home

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Fleet operators are being urged to place winter tyre orders with Kwik-Fit Fleet by the end of September and ensure the tyres are fitted to vehicles during October to guarantee availability.
Following unprecedented corporate sector demand for winter tyres last year, Kwik-Fit Fleet has ordered 200,000 winter tyres this year - four-times more than last year - worth £20 million at retail prices to meet anticipated orders from public and private sector fleets.
Additionally, Kwik-Fit Fleet has established a winter tyre hotline - 0330 1231567 - and email address - [URL="javascript:location.href='mailto:'+String.fromCharCode(102,108,101,101,116,99,115,116,64,107,119,105,107,45,102,105,116,46,99,111,109)+'?'"]fleetcst@kwik-fit.com[/URL] - through which fleet operators can place their winter tyres order. The tyres will then be ring-fenced for customers on the basis that they are fitted by the end of next month.
As last year, Kwik-Fit Fleet is offering a ‘hotel’ facility that sees it remove, pack, label and store each company car and van’s summer tyres in its National Distribution Centre for £10 per tyre per season. In the spring, the summer tyres will be returned to each customer’s centre of choice for fitment with the winter tyres removed and stored until required again.
Kwik-Fit Fleet sales director Peter Lambert said: “Meteorologists are already warning that the first harsh winter weather could arrive next month. As a result, we are recommending that winter tyres should be fitted to vehicles from the end of September or in the first half of October and remain in place until the end of March.”

kenmc · 22-09-2011 11:43am

Weylin wrote: »

Kwik-Fit urges fleets to book winter tyres now

21/09/2011 in News Home
[URL="javascript:void( 0 )"][/URL]

Read more: Latest Fleet News Fleet Industry News Manufacturer News People News Tax and Legislation News Environment News Frankfurt Motor Show

Fleet operators are being urged to place winter tyre orders with Kwik-Fit Fleet by the end of September and ensure the tyres are fitted to vehicles during October to guarantee availability.
Following unprecedented corporate sector demand for winter tyres last year, Kwik-Fit Fleet has ordered 200,000 winter tyres this year - four-times more than last year - worth £20 million at retail prices to meet anticipated orders from public and private sector fleets.
Additionally, Kwik-Fit Fleet has established a winter tyre hotline - 0330 1231567 - and email address - [URL="javascript:location.href='mailto:'+String.fromCharCode(102,108,101,101,116,99,115,116,64,107,119,105,107,45,102,105,116,46,99,111,109)+'?'"]fleetcst@kwik-fit.com[/URL] - through which fleet operators can place their winter tyres order. The tyres will then be ring-fenced for customers on the basis that they are fitted by the end of next month.
As last year, Kwik-Fit Fleet is offering a ‘hotel’ facility that sees it remove, pack, label and store each company car and van’s summer tyres in its National Distribution Centre for £10 per tyre per season. In the spring, the summer tyres will be returned to each customer’s centre of choice for fitment with the winter tyres removed and stored until required again.
Kwik-Fit Fleet sales director Peter Lambert said: “Meteorologists are already warning that the first harsh winter weather could arrive next month. As a result, we are recommending that winter tyres should be fitted to vehicles from the end of September or in the first half of October and remain in place until the end of March.”

Funny, cos I got a txt from them about winter tyres. Rang up to inquire and they were recommending Bridgestone A001. A quick google reveals these to be "All weather" tyres, not winter.

eskimocat · 22-09-2011 1:29pm

Hiya all

Just spent the morning reading through the previous post...while working too of course;)... and have been delighted with advice on here.

Wondering where on the door is the numbers for the types of tyres you can use... had a look about and can't see anything?

current tyre situtation: I have a '02 Passat 1.9TDI which is currently wearing 205/55R16/91H Wanli on the front (Didn't find them great, wore out quicker than I expected) and 205/55R16/91V Bridgestone on the rear) on Alloys. Changed the bridgestones from front to back at last tyre change.

I want to get winter tyres on steel rims and i don't know what to answer to the car type question on eiretyres.com. ( have in the make and model) I know there is 5 bolts on the alloys

(tried inserting the link but the page came up in German

)

Any help or advice as to how i can find this out would be great!
thanks

tossy · 22-09-2011 1:33pm

Anan1 wrote: »

Or maybe you just cane it a bit less on your winters?:)

Not really

*joke

Voodoomelon · 22-09-2011 1:34pm

The cheapest winters I can find for mine are €150 a corner. Think i'll be giving them a miss this year...

opinion guy · 22-09-2011 1:47pm

Voodoomelon wrote: »

The cheapest winters I can find for mine are €150 a corner. Think i'll be giving them a miss this year...

How cheap would it be giving them a miss if you ditch the car on summer tyres ?

I took your approach last year and did 4 figures of damage through a simple kerbing which fubarred some stuff

DubDani · 22-09-2011 3:59pm

The German AA (ADAC) just published their latest Winter Tyre test

http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/winterreifen/2011_Winterreifen_Test_195_65_R15.aspx?ComponentId=87119&SourcePageId=31821

They tested on 195/65/15, and only one Tire failed completely, the Trayal Artica.

The Falken Eurowinter also didn't fare very well, especially on Snow. Best on snow were the Conti WinterContact and the Fulda Kristall.

German ratings go from 1 (Very good) to 6 (terrible).

cdb · 22-09-2011 4:14pm

DubDani wrote: »

The German AA (ADAC) just published their latest Winter Tyre test

http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/winterreifen/2011_Winterreifen_Test_195_65_R15.aspx?ComponentId=87119&SourcePageId=31821

They tested on 195/65/15, and only one Tire failed completely, the Trayal Artica.

The Falken Eurowinter also didn't fare very well, especially on Snow. Best on snow were the Conti WinterContact and the Fulda Kristall.

German ratings go from 1 (Very good) to 6 (terrible).

From Google translate

Trocken - Dry
Nass - Wet
Schnee - Snow
Eis - Ice
Geräusch - Noise
Kraftstoffverbrauch - Fuel consumption
Verschleiß - Wear

fletch · 22-09-2011 4:37pm

DubDani wrote: »

The German AA (ADAC) just published their latest Winter Tyre test

http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/winterreifen/2011_Winterreifen_Test_195_65_R15.aspx?ComponentId=87119&SourcePageId=31821

Thanks for that...for me it was a toss up between the Vredestein Snowtrac 3 and the Nokian WR D3, in the end I went for the Nokian as it was slightly cheaper. Happy to see that the Nokian beat the Vredestein in the test

Voodoomelon · 22-09-2011 6:56pm

opinion guy wrote: »

How cheap would it be giving them a miss if you ditch the car on summer tyres ?

I took your approach last year and did 4 figures of damage through a simple kerbing which fubarred some stuff

Believe me, i've thought about it. I even slid into a kerb last year and temporarily knocked the tyre off the rim.

I think i'll take my chances tough.

kennyb3 · 22-09-2011 8:21pm

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Believe me, i've thought about it. I even slid into a kerb last year and temporarily knocked the tyre off the rim.

I think i'll take my chances tough.

Smaller rims or part worns - 150e a corner me a'rse. unless your driving something super fancy you shouldnt have a bother

ltdslipdiff · 22-09-2011 9:03pm

Just bought my second pair of Hankook Icept Evo's today from Camskill,I have the other set from last year,so have 'em on all fours this year!!!

No1J · 22-09-2011 9:36pm

Took the plunge, A set of Continental TS 830'S on steel rims ordered, they look like one of the best on offer.
Stick them on in October, off in April doing around 12k a year I should be good for the next 5 years.:)

mcwhirter · 22-09-2011 9:57pm

Phoenix Park wrote: »

You know that eejit in the 03 reg 3-series BMW sliding on M50 off-ramps and spinning round car parks last winter?. Yep, that was me.

So this year its gonna be different. I'd weighed down the boot as much as i could but the car was tough going last winter. Current tyres are Bridgestone, i am utterly clueless when it comes to tyres. Been looking at eiretyres website as recommended by a few on here, standard size for BMW seems to be 205, but i've no idea what the other numbers mean would be ( numbers 65 and 15 are the defaults..are these ok?)
Anyway, anyone recommend any that would be good for my 3 series?. The car is 8 years old now, but i've no plans to change it. Don't care what they look like. Might be easier to buy the rim too as opposed to having to put the tyre on and off my own rim and then just keep them on for 4 or 5 cold months?. I only drive about 70 miles a week i reckon. Was quoted €170 each for Hankook tyres in Dublin which seems to be way more than they are online.
Any suggestions appreciated, thanks.

Try Nokian Entyre, they are all weathers.

mcwhirter · 22-09-2011 10:00pm

eskimocat wrote: »

Hiya all

Just spent the morning reading through the previous post...while working too of course;)... and have been delighted with advice on here.

Wondering where on the door is the numbers for the types of tyres you can use... had a look about and can't see anything?

current tyre situtation: I have a '02 Passat 1.9TDI which is currently wearing 205/55R16/91H Wanli on the front (Didn't find them great, wore out quicker than I expected) and 205/55R16/91V Bridgestone on the rear) on Alloys. Changed the bridgestones from front to back at last tyre change.

I want to get winter tyres on steel rims and i don't know what to answer to the car type question on eiretyres.com. ( have in the make and model) I know there is 5 bolts on the alloys (tried inserting the link but the page came up in German )

Any help or advice as to how i can find this out would be great!
thanks

I'd get rid of the wanli tyres asap, I had some on my car, absolute rubbish

Voodoomelon · 22-09-2011 10:36pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

Smaller rims or part worns - 150e a corner me a'rse. unless your driving something super fancy you shouldnt have a bother

Might go down the smaller rim route alright. Theyre 255 45 18s on the rear and 235 50 18s on the front, hence the high price.
If I can pick up some OEM 16"s for around €100 I may have another look.

JJJJNR · 22-09-2011 11:06pm

Good to see so many people getting winters this year, unlike the last few years when some experts were in denial.

No1J · 22-09-2011 11:24pm

Just a thing niggling me. Most people run summer tyres all year round , no problems insurance wise as nearly everyone does it, but say you have winter tyres on during the summer and had a big accident, any wriggle room by the insurance company do you think?
I have seen youtube stuff showing winter tyres loosing gripping performance over the mid 20's C.:)
Forecast for next week is temps in the mid 20's C:eek:, wouldn't put them on yet.

elkido9 · 22-09-2011 11:50pm

Best tyres for a mk v tdi golf? 16's. Best all rounder I'm lookin fior. Been told either the uniroyal rainexpert or vredestein sportrac 3. The bridgestones on it were good in snow and ice last yr but replaced front 2 with 2 "infinity" ones that are absolutely useless, car spins in the dry...

Also, sholud i get the 4 done to be safe?

TestTransmission · 22-09-2011 11:55pm

elkido9 wrote: »

Best tyres for a mk v tdi golf? 16's. Best all rounder I'm lookin fior. Been told either the uniroyal rainexpert or vredestein sportrac 3. The bridgestones on it were good in snow and ice last yr but replaced front 2 with 2 "infinity" ones that are absolutely useless, car spins in the dry...

Also, sholud i get the 4 done to be safe?

Neither are winter tyres are they? "All rounders" don't exist, if you want winter tyres you have to buy winters.

Mega Winter Tyres thread, all questions here!!

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