Fat Kids

Caitlinn

I guess you believe all your opposition are trolls (I'm not trolling as it happens but) I disagree with you that fat kids are a huge taxpayers problem. And for that matter, what does it matter whether I am a taxpayer - do you assume would I share you disgust if I was one? :rolleyes:

Tayla

Caitlinn wrote: »

OP, I get your point that childhood obesity is a terrible thing but so long as you aren't a child who is overweight or have children who are overweight why let it bother you? Just go about your business, no harm, no foul. Life is too short.

Not the OP but....

It bothers me because I think the parents are setting their children up for life with bad diets and exercise habits...bad diets combined with laziness can only equal bad news for the future.

It bothers me because it is not fair on the children. Why should their parents be allowed to fill them with crap which doesn't allow their body to act in the way it should.

It's a form of abuse if you ask me, if people were starving their children would you wonder why it bothered people?

Caitlinn

Tayla wrote: »

Not the OP but....

It bothers me because I think the parents are setting their children up for life with bad diets and exercise habits...bad diets combined with laziness can only equal bad news for the future.

It bothers me because it is not fair on the children. Why should their parents be allowed to fill them with crap which doesn't allow their body to act in the way it should.

It's a form of abuse if you ask me, if people were starving their children would you wonder why it bothered people?

Complain to Children's services then but I stand by my original point, if you aren't an obese child in question or the parent of an obese child why let it bother you surely you have enough to be getting on with?

ballsymchugh

Caitlinn wrote: »

I guess you believe all your opposition are trolls (I'm not trolling as it happens but) I disagree with you that fat kids are a huge taxpayers problem. And for that matter, what does it matter whether I am a taxpayer - do you assume would I share you disgust if I was one? :rolleyes:

they may not be a huge burden on the taxpayer now, but they will be in the future. just wondered why you had to emphasise "YOUR taxes" is all.

here, knock yourself out...

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=9499

With obesity figures soaring worldwide, including in Ireland, the cost of this disease to the nation's health, its health service and indeed the economy as a whole, is incalculable. And yet it is preventable.

Caitlinn

ballsymchugh wrote: »

they may not be a huge burden on the taxpayer now, but they will be in the future. just wondered why you had to emphasise "YOUR taxes" is all.

here, knock yourself out...

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=9499

I found this quite funny since you were the one who mentioned taxes first. I didn't check that link, it's besides the point. Taxes are the real point to you I feel.

ballsymchugh

Caitlinn wrote: »

I found this quite funny since you were the one who mentioned taxes first. I didn't check that link, it's besides the point. Taxes are the real point to you I feel.

i think if you chose to click on it, that it really does prove the point. so your whole argument is that if we're not obese, or have obese kids, then we should leave well alone. :rolleyes:

Caitlinn

ballsymchugh wrote: »

i think if you chose to click on it, that it really does prove the point. so your whole argument is that if we're not obese, or have obese kids, then we should leave well alone. :rolleyes:

No, I know that some of us are obese and we have some obese children and I wish we could change that but my point is that some of us only care when it hits our pockets and to be honest I wish we could change that.
Some of us are obese and some of us only care about our taxes I wish we could change both of these things.

Tayla

Caitlinn wrote: »

Complain to Children's services then but I stand by my original point, if you aren't an obese child in question or the parent of an obese child why let it bother you surely you have enough to be getting on with?

Look it bothers me... I can't help it, I like to see children get the best start in life and parents are too bloody lazy to do that. It's like if children started smoking, in fact I think lack of exercise coupled with childhood obesity would have a much worse impact on a childs health than smoking.

Surely I have enough to be getting on with? No not really, right now i'm just participating in a thread about this topic which is a pet hate of mine.
If everyone had your attitude then nothing will ever change, do you not think it would be better for these children to have healthier lifestyles?

Caitlinn

Tayla wrote: »

Look it bothers me... I can't help it, I like to see children get the best start in life and parents are too bloody lazy to do that. It's like if children started smoking, in fact I think lack of exercise coupled with childhood obesity would have a much worse impact on a childs health than smoking.

Surely I have enough to be getting on with? No not really, right now i'm just participating in a thread about this topic which is a pet hate of mine.
If everyone had your attitude then nothing will ever change, do you not think it would be better for these children to have healthier lifestyles?

I do think that parents could do a better job sometimes but because it's a pet hate of yours can you become their parent? I don't think so. So just get on with what you have got.

Seriously why get wound up about things you can't change like other peoples children?

And before you start I participate in the areas of society I can affect (like politics) but if you have a child that child is your responsibility and I doubt the wider community is going to have a say unless you do something really out of order. Therefore you can't affect the life of someone else's child.

ballsymchugh

Caitlinn wrote: »

No, I know that some of us are obese and we have some obese children and I wish we could change that but my point is that some of us only care when it hits our pockets and to be honest I wish we could change that.
Some of us are obese and some of us only care about our taxes I wish we could change both of these things.

now we're getting somewhere. i refer back to where you were wondering why larianne would have an interest in childhood obesity. we just have to face it, those of us that are not obese or do not have obese kids, the one definite common ground we have is that we all have to club together to pay for their healthcare. there are lots of other things that we have to pay for too, some of which are a hell of a lot more necessary than something which is preventable, like as i said earlier, a dedicated plane to transport patients in need of transplants to the UK when needed.

Caitlinn

ballsymchugh wrote: »

now we're getting somewhere. i refer back to where you were wondering why larianne would have an interest in childhood obesity. we just have to face it, those of us that are not obese or do not have obese kids, the one definite common ground we have is that we all have to club together to pay for their healthcare. there are lots of other things that we have to pay for too, some of which are a hell of a lot more necessary than something which is preventable, like as i said earlier, a dedicated plane to transport patients in need of transplants to the UK when needed.

Ugh, I don't know where to start with this. Just for the record I am not obese and I do not have children. I don't really care if you want to get on your hobby horse about this. I'm just voicing my opinion.

ballsymchugh

Caitlinn wrote: »

I do think that parents could do a better job sometimes but because it's a pet hate of yours can you become their parent? I don't think so. So just get on with what you have got.

Seriously why get wound up about things you can't change like other peoples children?

And before you start I participate in the areas of society I can affect (like politics) but if you have a child that child is your responsibility and I doubt the wider community is going to have a say unless you do something really out of order. Therefore you can't affect the life of someone else's child.

how about we lobby out local TDs and keep at them til the HSE or whatever future equivalent withdraws funding for diabetic meds for kids? that'll go down well when people realise how much they're actually getting for free.

that bit in bold above makes zero sense. you're implying that someone who is aware of a problematic situation won't be able to do anything to prevent it? at all??

Tayla

Caitlinn wrote: »

I do think that parents could do a better job sometimes but because it's a pet hate of yours can you become their parent? I don't think. So just get on with what you have got. Seriously why get wound up about things you can't change? And before you start I participate in the areas of society I can affect like politics but if you have a child that child is your responsibility and I doubt the wider community is going to have a say unless you do something really out of order. Therefore you can't affect the life of someone else's child and you should just know the way you'd raise children of your own if you have them. Otherwise you are stepping over boundaries.

If someones child was malnourished then the state would intervene, if a child can't breathe because they're so overweight then why shouldn't it be the same?

Why is there talk of banning smoking in cars which have children in them?
The same parents could feed the children 4 bags of sugar and a million chemicals each day in their food and noone would care.

ballsymchugh

Caitlinn wrote: »

Ugh, I don't know where to start with this. Just for the record I am not obese and I do not have children. I don't really care if you want to get on your hobby horse about this. I'm just voicing my opinion.

ok, how about you take the hobby horse and i'll stick with my high horse. :cool:

Caitlinn

ballsymchugh wrote: »

how about we lobby out local TDs and keep at them til the HSE or whatever future equivalent withdraws funding for diabetic meds for kids? that'll go down well when people realise how much they're actually getting for free.

that bit in bold above makes zero sense. you're implying that someone who is aware of a problematic situation won't be able to do anything to prevent it? at all??

You really think your local TD or the HSE is going to take a blind bit of notice of you. Wow, you really think highly of yourself!

I think that unless you are the parent of an obese child and,if you are, you take it in your own hands to change your child's future it ain't going to happen.

Kirby

D1stant wrote: »

+1

Was coming home from France a few weeks ago and every fat kid getting on the plane was Irish, and every 'normal' kid was French. Not only that but I find Irish kids very badly behaved in comparison with continental kids. Maybe thats off topic, or maybe related to diet also in some way?

Are you for real? Continental children are angels all of a sudden? Spend longer than ten minutes with a bunch of spanish kids. I'm pretty sure you will change your opinion and start to envy the hell out of deaf people.

In all seriousness though, some kids are well behaved and some are complete brats. It's universal and not unique to any one country. There are just as many bad parents in France as there are over here.

Pdfile

i was fat as a kid, skinny now, and the Polar opposite has happened to " friends " from school so its always nice to tease them about their weight.


Karma works lads, and she works well.

Forest Master

Caitlinn wrote: »

OP, I get your point that childhood obesity is a terrible thing but so long as you aren't a child who is overweight or have children who are overweight why let it bother you? Just go about your business, no harm, no foul. Life is too short.

LOL - what a dumb statement. Firstly, I don't actually care about the taxes end of it, as other posters have mentioned - yes, it's a reality, but I care because I feel these kids will lead restricted lives & struggle with weight & diabetes. They've been set on the wrong path from a young age. But hey, why care about anything that doesn't affect us directly, eh?

So as long as it's not directly your problem, why give a sh*t? You have a very selfish way of looking at things.

Let me apply your twisted logic to other scenarios:
* As long as you aren't a child who is affected by famine or have children who are affected by famine, why let it bother you?
* As long as you or your kids aren't affected by a tsunami, why let it bother you?
* That distressed girl who has just been raped & is asking you for help isn't your kid, so why let it bother you? Just totally keep walking, loike - it's way too much hassle!

Absolutely retarded logic you have there. We can discuss what we want - we can have opinions on whatever we want. And if you don't like us discussing fat kids - it doesn't affect you - 'so why let it bother you'? :rolleyes:

denhaagenite

Kirby wrote: »

Are you for real? Continental children are angels all of a sudden? Spend longer than ten minutes with a bunch of spanish kids. I'm pretty sure you will change your opinion and start to envy the hell out of deaf people.

In all seriousness though, some kids are well behaved and some are complete brats. It's universal and not unique to any one country. There are just as many bad parents in France as there are over here.

I do think he has a point though. I was grocery shopping the other day and went for a coffee, got a bit of a shock when I saw a seriously overweight kid in the cafe. Just not something I'm used to seeing here.

Our neighbours kids are outside playing all day every day. If we have a barbecue and the neighbours are over, the kids amuse themselves completely. If they have a disagreement, they sort it out themselves. Our neighbours are both divorced fathers and the girls are nothing short of a credit to them.

We have friends at home and their daughter is a little porker, constantly looking for attention. She gets driven to school every single morning, even though it takes half the time to walk there. They rarely all sit down together and have a meal, in fact it's more usual for them to sit on the floor in the living room eating dinner which usually consists of some processed crap in front of the omnipresent TV. She's essentially a good kid, but with the amount of spoiling that's going on they really are ruining her

Teyla Emmagan

It's not inactivity, it's diet. Kids are the same as we are, weight loss is 80% food intake and 20% exercise (or less even). IThe processed food and lack of home cooking are definitely the biggest part of the problem.

Poor kids, I feel really sorry for them. If you're obese at 10 you really haven't a hope. It's really sad.

Rabidlamb

Sure they can't go across the fields to kick football anymore due to the roving gangs of pedophiles waiting to tag their flabby ass.
They wouldn't stand a chance the poor little darlings.

Thatnastyboy

Caitlinn wrote: »

I do think that parents could do a better job sometimes but because it's a pet hate of yours can you become their parent? I don't think so. So just get on with what you have got.

Seriously why get wound up about things you can't change like other peoples children?

And before you start I participate in the areas of society I can affect (like politics) but if you have a child that child is your responsibility and I doubt the wider community is going to have a say unless you do something really out of order. Therefore you can't affect the life of someone else's child.

Ive read through this thread, and I can't get over your reaction.

By your logic: "if something doesn't directly affect you, why let it bother you"

Firstly - Its not nice to see a bunch of kids out playing football or something, you see the healthy ones running around and smiling etc, then you see that token barrel of pudge waddling up to the football with a beetroot head on them struggling to lift their leg far enough to even kick the ball. I reckon that most people would like to see kids having a happy, healthy life and not struggle to climb stairs or even breathe properly.

Why do we have news bulletins? Considering most items on the news are things that don't directly affect the generic Irish individual: i.e. Riots in England, murders, mass murders (Norway) Libyan rebellion, Syria and all the other sh!t in the middle east, The famine in the horn of Africa, need i go on. <- we can't change any of that stuff, but we're still interested in it, human nature, we're inquisitive, and we also have empathy for other people.

The reason people are interested in these fat kids is because they are literally clogging up the system, if they arent now they will be in future, they will be having heart attacks & strokes earlier than ever before, they will be suffering from diabetes that has been brought on by a sh!t diet.

They will be unable to properly partake in sports & other social activities, and manual labour etc, they in turn will feed their offspring shyte and lead to a nation of obese slobs unable to see a problem in their appearance & health because all of the skinny & healthy people will be too busy minding their own business.

Fizman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

i have never laughed harder at anything in AH as i have at this sentence , well done good sir, my coffee is all over my desk

Same. I'm currently wiping bran flakes off of my keyboard.

stovelid

It used to be all field here.

Slim, healthy fields, like.

Caitlinn

Forest Master wrote: »

LOL - what a dumb statement. Firstly, I don't actually care about the taxes end of it, as other posters have mentioned - yes, it's a reality, but I care because I feel these kids will lead restricted lives & struggle with weight & diabetes. They've been set on the wrong path from a young age. But hey, why care about anything that doesn't affect us directly, eh?

So as long as it's not directly your problem, why give a sh*t? You have a very selfish way of looking at things.

Let me apply your twisted logic to other scenarios:
* As long as you aren't a child who is affected by famine or have children who are affected by famine, why let it bother you?
* As long as you or your kids aren't affected by a tsunami, why let it bother you?
* That distressed girl who has just been raped & is asking you for help isn't your kid, so why let it bother you? Just totally keep walking, loike - it's way too much hassle!

Absolutely retarded logic you have there. We can discuss what we want - we can have opinions on whatever we want. And if you don't like us discussing fat kids - it doesn't affect you - 'so why let it bother you'? :rolleyes:

You can apply my 'twisted logic' wherever you want. Just because I don't feel the need to berate overweight children, like you clearly do, don't make assumptions about how I feel about other things. That is dumb.

And as for having a very selfish way of looking at things - two of the reasons people seem to care about these overweight children are because they affect their taxes and the potential clogging up of the health system. What's that if not selfish?

Of course they will justify their interest in obesity on the basis that they are so empathetic.

denhaagenite

Caitlinn wrote: »

You can apply my 'twisted logic' wherever you want. Just because I don't feel the need to berate overweight children, like you clearly do, don't make assumptions about how I feel about other things. That is dumb.

No- one's berating them, it's just that children are generally not genetically obese, it's something that happens because of neglect and let's face it, it is an abuse to allow your child to get that fat. If the child is 5 and purple in the face trying to get up the stairs, it's hardly their fault, is it?

Although I am a bit of a fattist tbh, people should stop eating crap, drinking too much and walk more often, grrr.

ballsymchugh

Caitlinn wrote: »

You really think your local TD or the HSE is going to take a blind bit of notice of you. Wow, you really think highly of yourself!

I think that unless you are the parent of an obese child and,if you are, you take it in your own hands to change your child's future it ain't going to happen.

they don't tend to take much notice of one person, unless that person is say.. a multi millionaire with jobs to give out. but they do pay attention to groups. it's how lobbying is done. you obviously have zero interest in politics anyway.

why are you getting so worked up about people having an interest in this subject when you've already stated yourself that you're not obese and you don't have an obese child? your argument is now laughable.

ILikeBananas

Caitlinn wrote: »

OP, I get your point that childhood obesity is a terrible thing but so long as you aren't a child who is overweight or have children who are overweight why let it bother you? Just go about your business, no harm, no foul. Life is too short.

Over the past few hundred years people's health has dramatically risen thanks to great developments in medicine and in the past 50 years with the large increase in the standard of living. Now for the first time we're seeing a generation that is coming up behind us that looks like it will be less healthy then we are. The reasons for this are totally preventable. As an Irish person who cares about the future of this country I find that very sad.

steve9859

Caitlinn wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I am a sports coach, and spend considerable time coaching under 18s. I have seen many many kids in such a state that, in my opinion, their treatment is effectively child abuse. If a kid was being starved, society (including yourself, Caitlinn) would be up in arms, and demanding parents be punished. However, you seem happy to ignore the reckless parenting that overfeeds kids sugar and salt and all the other nasty stuff, and results in kids being left with problems that will be with them into adulthood - whether they be psychological or physical. Im not talking about being sligtly heavy - I'm talking about obesity

In my opinion school teachers should be able to call social services and intervene if a child gets that that state, in the same was as if a child was attending school in a malnourished or illclothed state. If it is a medical condition causing the obesity, then a doctor can deal with it, but otherwise parents should be sanctioned.

Caitlinn

ballsymchugh wrote: »

they don't tend to take much notice of one person, unless that person is say.. a multi millionaire with jobs to give out. but they do pay attention to groups. it's how lobbying is done. you obviously have zero interest in politics anyway.

why are you getting so worked up about people having an interest in this subject when you've already stated yourself that you're not obese and you don't have an obese child? your argument is now laughable.

Don't presume to know too much about me. I am not getting worked up, just voicing my opinion, that's how a democracy works isn't it? People are allowed to voice different opinions. I find your argument equally as laughable.

biko

Some posts removed as fighting/sniping.
Back on topic folks, this is a warning.

ballsymchugh

Caitlinn wrote: »

Don't presume to know too much about me. I am not getting worked up, just voicing my opinion, that's how a democracy works isn't it? People are allowed to voice different opinions. I find your argument equally as laughable.

so you'll have no problem if people were to form a lobby group with the distinct aim of cutting out diabetes meds and other healthcare costs that are associated with obesity so they'll have a nice early death in their 30s or 40s? that's how democracy works isn't it, and then the average person will only have to worry about obese people if they are one themselves. :rolleyes:

--Kaiser--

Tayla wrote: »

People have a very distorted view of what they should and shouldn't actually be eating. The food pyramid is completely wrong.

People eat too much bread, their kids have bread in the morning, for lunch and then as snacks but of course the parents don't consider that to be a bad snack so along with the bready snacks they also have chocolate and crisps and cakes etc.

I allow my child to have a treat every day, some people would say that I shouldn't give him one every day but I don't add sugar to any of his other food and he doesn't snack on worthless food like chocolate spread sandwiches or biscuits so I think it's fine.

QFT
We're probably the only animal on the planet which does not know what it should be eating

Lollipops23

Caitlinn wrote: »

And as for having a very selfish way of looking at things - two of the reasons people seem to care about these overweight children are because they affect their taxes and the potential clogging up of the health system. What's that if not selfish?

Well I also hate that smokers take so much of the healthcare's budget for their various self-inflicted health issues.

Back on point- it's grossly unfair to give these kids such a shoddy start in life. It's piss poor parenting to feed your child nothing but sugar and stodge and not insist they take up a sport of some kind when they start getting a bit "rounded" (without giving them a complex, obvs).

jackie1974

I totally agree that over feeding your child is every bit as bad as under feeding them. Every parent has a duty to feed their child properly, make them take regular excercise and keep them clean. They are pretty basic rights a child is entitled to. Weight doesn't hop on over night, it creeps up bit by bit so any parent that allows their kid to get to obese while still throwing chocolate their way needs a good kick up the arse.

My kids are all healthy weights, maybe genes or that but they do go out playing in the morning and play out all day (besides when they come in for lunch and dinner), the older ones row and the little guy plays soccer from morning to night. Even when it's raining they are out in it It is totally up to parents to instil habits in their kids, I see mothers rushing out when they see a bit of drizzle shouting at the children to get in quick as if they are going to melt over a bit of rain haha.

In America parents are losing custody of their kids over obesity and it's sure to follow here if people don't get a grip and ensure their children are kept healthy.

One last thing, using food to comfort a child that has fallen over is a big mistake, the child will grow up using food for comfort. I see it all the time and have had to stop myself from doing it, child trips over and is bawling so easy to say aww stop crying i'll get you something nice to make it all better.

Ray Palmer

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Well I also hate that smokers take so much of the healthcare's budget for their various self-inflicted health issues.

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They also pay a hell of a lot in taxes which most likely pays for their treatment 10 times over and thus propping up the health care system.

It would be interesting to see what proof you have that they actually eat up so much of the budget.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Caitlinn wrote: »

OP, I get your point that childhood obesity is a terrible thing but so long as you aren't a child who is overweight or have children who are overweight why let it bother you? Just go about your business, no harm, no foul. Life is too short.

And i think this is what is wrong in the first place,if any fat kid was getting tormented in school or on street im sure their parents would be there to defend them in the first place,this is what is wrong,ireland seems to bend the rules in everything in general laziness in parenting or just the typical ah sure its grand we ignore that issue.

Btw,Anyone ever noticed,there's never any fat kids in the McDonalds adverts?.

ballsymchugh

jackie1974 wrote: »

One last thing, using food to comfort a child that has fallen over is a big mistake, the child will grow up using food for comfort. I see it all the time and have had to stop myself from doing it, child trips over and is bawling so easy to say aww stop crying i'll get you something nice to make it all better.

this is very true. kids are often coaxed into getting dental check-ups with the promise of mickey d's. a feckin check up never hurt anyone!

Tayla

Bruce Better Cranberry wrote: »

Btw,Anyone ever noticed,there's never any fat kids in the McDonalds adverts?.

On the very rare occasions I go to McDonalds and get my son a happy meal he probably eats half the burger and 2 or 3 chips, that's fine by me, I can never understand why you see parents going "we're not leaving here until you eat every last bit of that burger and all of your chips" ..........noone ever forces their kids to eat the complimentary raisins

It's the same in a restaurant, people telling their kids that they've ordered a dessert and so to eat every last bit of it, I'd get my son a dessert, he'll eat a bit of it, i'll give a few tastes to my 1 year old and then he doesn't want anymore.

People think it's a waste for them to buy their kids food and them not to eat all of it but what is it called if you buy them (unhealthy) food which they only want a small portion of and then force them to eat the lot just because you paid for it, that's just bloody stupidity!!

Sykk

Gourami wrote: »

Here's some nice examples. In my job I've come across the following in the last week:
1) the 9 year old who weighed 52kg
2) the 15 year old who weighed 101kg

And let's just say the apple didn't fall far from the tree when it came to the parents!

I'd assume you're a social worker perhaps? If so, is there no way of getting these kids tested for eating disorders? If they don't have medical conditions this is an absolute sin.

Surely the parents should have their custody revoked for ruining their kids lives?

Hungry or obese at 9 years of age.. I don't know what's worse...

denhaagenite

Gourami wrote: »

Here's some nice examples. In my job I've come across the following in the last week:
1) the 9 year old who weighed 52kg
2) the 15 year old who weighed 101kg

And let's just say the apple didn't fall far from the tree when it came to the parents!

Good Jayzis how did I miss that?? A child a third my age nearly weighs the same amount as I do and a teenager who's 1.5 times my weight?? That is criminal, the parents should be done for GBH!! You would have to work very hard to clock up those kilos...

When I was 15 I looked like I had been stretched and like most of my friends would have been classed as "underweight" in terms of my height. The only time I've ever come across obesity on that scale is on one of those "Look at how fat my kid is" shows on TV, never in real life. That is one of the saddest things I've ever heard, the health problems they will face will dog them for the rest of their lives.

mickydoomsux

ballsymchugh wrote: »

this is very true. kids are often coaxed into getting dental check-ups with the promise of mickey d's. a feckin check up never hurt anyone!

A lot of people don't parent nowadays, they bargain with their children to keep them quiet. They don't seem to realise that their children aren't on a equal footing with them.

I work in public transport and i've lost count of the amount of times i've seen people with kids who are going ape**** and the parents try reasoning and bargaining with the child with zero effect in 100% of the cases so they usually just give up.

Hit them. It put manners on hundreds of generations beforehand and it still works.

Forest Master

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Well I also hate that smokers take so much of the healthcare's budget for their various self-inflicted health issues.

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They also pay a hell of a lot in taxes which most likely pays for their treatment 10 times over and thus propping up the health care system.

Smokers pay more tax than non-smokers?

flash1080

Tayla wrote: »

On the very rare occasions I go to McDonalds and get my son a happy meal he probably eats half the burger and 2 or 3 chips, that's fine by me, I can never understand why you see parents going "we're not leaving here until you eat every last bit of that burger and all of your chips" ..........noone ever forces their kids to eat the complimentary raisins

It's the same in a restaurant, people telling their kids that they've ordered a dessert and so to eat every last bit of it, I'd get my son a dessert, he'll eat a bit of it, i'll give a few tastes to my 1 year old and then he doesn't want anymore.

People think it's a waste for them to buy their kids food and them not to eat all of it but what is it called if you buy them (unhealthy) food which they only want a small portion of and then force them to eat the lot just because you paid for it, that's just bloody stupidity!!

There's no harm in making kids finish their dinner, think about all the starving children in the world. I'd take my belt off if I had a kid who only ate half their burger and 2-3 chips. I'd take a kid to the doctor if he/she didn't finish dessert. Who doesn't finish dessert like?

Poor Uncle Tom

Forest Master wrote: »

Smokers pay more tax than non-smokers?

I presume they mean there is a huge percentage of the price of a pack of cigarettes go to Government Tax and that's tax smokers pay that non smokers don't pay.

Tayla

flash1080 wrote: »

There's no harm in making kids finish their dinner, think about all the starving children in the world. I'd take my belt off if I had a kid who only ate half their burger and 2-3 chips. I'd take a kid to the doctor if he/she didn't finish dessert. Who doesn't finish dessert like?

Oh he does always finish his home cooked dinners but doesn't really like stuff like McDonalds or fast food, He's only 5 and I think a lot of young kids don't necessarily like the food there, it's the novelty of going and the toy they get in the happy meal.

Plenty of kids don't finish their desserts young kids anyway.....but then parents insist they eat every last bit...I just think what's the point?

Dudess

I think what Caitlinn means is that some people get bothered purely by how an overweight person looks, and pretends they're concerned about their health/public spending on healthcare... when really it's just they don't like the look of them, but while I agree that that can be true, I think childhood obesity is a legitimate public health concern.

jackie1974 wrote: »

I totally agree that over feeding your child is every bit as bad as under feeding them.

It isn't though. Both are bad, but borderline starving a child will have detrimental effects on their health far quicker, and far more severely, than overfeeding them will.

In America parents are losing custody of their kids over obesity and it's sure to follow here if people don't get a grip and ensure their children are kept healthy.

Well yeah, there are some horrific cases of obesity over there, but those crazy cases, like a seven-year-old being 15 stone :eek: etc, is not something you'd find here. I'm not saying it's no concern for a child to even be a few lbs overweight, but it's not fair to compare that with a child whose parents feed them to the point of them being a few stone overweight.

mickrock

Obesity levels have gone up sharply since the promotion, in the 1980s, of the strange idea that a low-fat diet is healthier.

Before that most people ate butter, fat meat, fry ups etc and were thinner and healthier.

The amount of exercise kids engage in doesn't make a big difference in their weight. The major factor is the type of food they eat.

jackie1974

Dudess wrote: »

I think what Caitlinn means is that some people get bothered purely by how an overweight person looks, and pretends they're concerned about their health/public spending on healthcare... when really it's just they don't like the look of them, but while I agree that that can be true, I think childhood obesity is a legitimate public health concern.

jackie1974 wrote: »

I totally agree that over feeding your child is every bit as bad as under feeding them.

It isn't though. Both are bad, but borderline starving a child will have detrimental effects on their health far quicker, and far more severely, than overfeeding them will.

In America parents are losing custody of their kids over obesity and it's sure to follow here if people don't get a grip and ensure their children are kept healthy.

Well yeah, there are some horrific cases of obesity over there, but those crazy cases, like a seven-year-old being 15 stone :eek: etc, is not something you'd find here. I'm not saying it's no concern for a child to even be a few lbs overweight, but it's not fair to compare that with a child whose parents feed them to the point of them being a few stone overweight.

When I say under feeding I mean not giving enough food or enough of the right foods, I dont mean starving, thats a whole different ball game and a lot worse I agree. And Im not talking about kids with a few extra pounds, Im talking about obese. Lots of kids go through chubby stages, get a growth spurt and the chubbiness is gone.

What I think is wrong is giving a child fatty and sugary foods when they clearly have a weight problem. The child is not going to refuse the food no matter how much they weight or how much they get picked on or how badly their health is affected. It tastes nice. Its up to parents to make those decisions until the child understands how food and excercise affect the body. And believe me Im no health freak, we eat our fair share of junk but if weight became an issue id do my best to tackle it, I have 3 teenage girls and know how body conscious they can be and I want them to be healthy and happy.

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mickydoomsux wrote: »

A lot of people don't parent nowadays, they bargain with their children to keep them quiet. They don't seem to realise that their children aren't on a equal footing with them.

I work in public transport and i've lost count of the amount of times i've seen people with kids who are going ape**** and the parents try reasoning and bargaining with the child with zero effect in 100% of the cases so they usually just give up.

Hit them. It put manners on hundreds of generations beforehand and it still works.

it seems to be common to let your children to shít,puke,and piss in public and let them get away with it