Do you have a BluRay player?

Nerdkiller1991

subway wrote: »

You've got me on the 7.1 But checking bluray stats it says only 6% of blu ray have 7.1 and 12% feature lpcm.

Yeah, LPCM has since been phased out in favor of using bitstreaming TrueHD and DTS MA in more recent models of BD players. As for the 7.1 argument, Toy Story 3 was actually the first movie to incorporate 7.1 audio in its cinema release, so I'm pretty certain we'll be seeing more movies that do have 7.1 audio in BD's in the future (considering that the movies do support it).

Skerries wrote: »

I must admit when Blu-ray is done well it can look stunning
i have been looking online at forums to find out what makes the best use of the format and have started buying them with films such as Zulu and the new Star Trek

Skerries wrote: »

I must admit when Blu-ray is done well it can look stunning
i have been looking online at forums to find out what makes the best use of the format and have started buying them with films such as Zulu and the new Star Trek

¿Que?

locked_out

BluRay is a scam.

Nerdkiller1991

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

Really? There are people who are going against physical media, even people going as far as to say that they straight up pirate their movies? Well let me tell you this...how many digital downloads offer 7.1 lossless audio? Hell, how many digital downloads offer lossless audio at all? And how many digital downloads offer a bit rate, higher than BD? Some people, eh?

You would want to be a serious audiophile with some very expensive equipment to notice the difference.

Bullseye1

Have four or five players including a US import. I had a US HDDVD too but sold it. Haven't bought a DVD movie in years. If you want a great picture and sound BD is a great solution.

Skerries

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

¿Que?

what didn't you understand?

Snowie

Stinicker wrote: »

I was just talking to a friend of mine last night and he commented on BluRay's never caught on like DVD's did. I have had a BluRay player for the last year and before that had the HD-DVD player for the Xbox 360 before HD-DVD lost the format war.

Has it reached a stage now where people have moved beyond physical format mediums and are happy to download a 700mb avi rip in crappovision instead of embracing High Definition.

hd-dvd ost the war because a company called soney flooded the markets (at a los) of 50 euros per console on the ps3, they own all the rights for blue ray... this is how blue ray won the battle so quickly

Nerdkiller1991

Jeremy Old Pointer wrote: »

You would want to be a serious audiophile with some very expensive equipment to notice the difference.

My post ddn't just detail the audio aspect of downloads and BD, but the visual aspect of it too. Sorry if my post wasn't clear enough (meant to put that in after the bit rate) I guess I just have a pair of good ears, though, regarding the audio.

Skerries wrote: »

what didn't you understand?

Sorry, it was just because it was a double post.

Bullseye1

This argument is about 3 years late. Sony did not flood the Market with cheap BD players on the contary it was Toshiba who flooded the Market with cheap HDDVD players. It was stupid that they couldn't sit down and sort out a solution. When Warner Brothers announced that they were going BD exclusive it was game over. HDDVD disc space became an issue as they at times could not include HD audio as well as picture on the same disc. An example of this was Transformers 1.

Agricola

In the PS3. Don't rent much really but I like to buy the odd must have film which has had a top quality re-master in HD.

SuperInfinity

MysticalRain wrote: »

You must be new to this internet downloading business.

I agree that there is probably very little discernable difference past 1080p with proper bitrate and 192k audio, but I hate when people make obviously incorrect statements like this to try to push their point of view or troll. Why don't you just say what you think and leave the BS behind?

subway

SuperInfinity wrote: »

don't you just say what you think and leave the BS behind?

Look at the forum name,
Now back at me.
I'm on a horse

meoklmrk91

I have a PS3, never watched a Blu-ray though, don't really care tbh.

MysticalRain

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I agree that there is probably very little discernable difference past 1080p with proper bitrate and 192k audio, but I hate when people make obviously incorrect statements like this to try to push their point of view or troll. Why don't you just say what you think and leave the BS behind?

I already made my point in my first post in the thread. Anyone who doesn't know you can download full quality blu-ray rips off the net obviously has some catching up to do when it comes to digital media.

phasers

Two of the computers and the ps3 play Blu rays, but I honestly don't notice a huge difference between them and DVDs when I'm watching it on a tv. on a computer monitor I need HD though.

jc84

bluray is the currently the best way to watch movies in full 1080p with the highest bitrate and DTS, Dolby True HD etc, i also download (legally of course:o) movies in HD too but they just aren't the same

SuperInfinity

I don't condone illegal activity but it pisses me off that there are so few 1080p movies on torrent sites that aren't 10+ gigabytes. You do NOT need to double the bitrate if you double the resolution - the bitrate only needs to be proportional to about the square root of the resolution. 2.5 gigabytes should be sufficient for a 2 hour 720p movie, and maybe 4.5 gigabytes for a 1080p one.

The people who are getting/making 23 gigabyte movies are only kidding themselves and their PCs in all likelihood aren't even playing them properly but they don't notice. They're as ridiculous as the 600 megabyte 720p ones.

Nerdkiller1991

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

My post ddn't just detail the audio aspect of downloads and BD, but the visual aspect of it too. Sorry if my post wasn't clear enough (meant to put that in after the bit rate) I guess I just have a pair of good ears, though, regarding the audio.



Sorry, it was just because it was a double post.

Obviously the picture isnt as good enough unless it is a 1:1 rip.I would class myself as an audio enthusiast and have a pretty good setup and I cant tell the difference between blu ray and an mkv 5.1 or 7.1 rips providing the bit rate is decent.

subway

SuperInfinity wrote: »

The people who are getting/making 23 gigabyte movies are only kidding themselves and their PCs in all likelihood aren't even playing them properly but they don't notice.

I hate when people make obviously incorrect statements like this to try to push their point of view or troll. Why don't you just say what you think and leave the BS behind?

Sarn

I'm not pushed on BluRay, I'd only end up getting one if I picked up a PS3 and that would only be to watch some 3D stuff. As it is I just plug a USB key or external drive into my tv to watch whatever I want.

SuperInfinity

subway wrote: »

I hate when people make obviously incorrect statements like this to try to push their point of view or troll. Why don't you just say what you think and leave the BS behind?

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm not assuming anything, I'm not trying to mock anyone, I'm saying what I genuinely think and not something sarcastic that I know is false.

"You must be new to this downloading business" is an obnoxious and sarcastic attack that is clearly 100% ad hominem.

You can keep it in your "weaponary" if you wish, that if someone says something you don't like in future you'd pull out the ol' "you must be new to this whole ..... business", but it is retarded and can only damage a discussion.

Voodu Child

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I don't condone illegal activity but it pisses me off that there are so few 1080p movies on torrent sites that aren't 10+ gigabytes. You do NOT need to double the bitrate if you double the resolution - the bitrate only needs to be proportional to about the square root of the resolution. 2.5 gigabytes should be sufficient for a 2 hour 720p movie, and maybe 4.5 gigabytes for a 1080p one.

No offence but clearly you don't do a lot of video encoding.

subway

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm not assuming anything, I'm not trying to mock anyone, I'm saying what I genuinely think and not something sarcastic that I know is false.

"You must be new to this downloading business" is an obnoxious and sarcastic attack that is clearly 100% ad hominem.

You can keep it in your "weaponary" if you wish, that if someone says something you don't like in future you'd pull out the ol' "you must be new to this whole ..... business", but it is retarded and can only damage a discussion.

Whu?
I think you're mixing us all up. Probably need to have a lie down.

But srsly, I know how to use my computer, don't suggest I have problems with that, k?

Doylers

I use my bluray player all the time. I download my movies in 720p for my normal watching(3Mb broadband) then for the serious movies with loads of effects and crap I rent a disk. I need faster broadband badly.

SuperInfinity

Voodu Child wrote: »

No offence but clearly you don't do a lot of video encoding.

Actually I do an awful lot of encoding, I have to encode most things that I want to connect to my tv. Anything with subtitles I have to encode, and sometimes it's a pain in the ass trying to get all of the settings and filters right and especially to get the audio and video to match up properly on my basic player.

So clearly you are wrong. What exactly are you talking about and what leads you to even suggest that I "clearly don't do a lot of video encoding"?

If it's "clearly", then just say it straightaway what it is. Or else you are full of **** and have no idea what you're talking about. Guess which one I think it is.

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Edit: btw it's the mencoder documentation that gives the bitrate should be about proportional to the square root of the resolution for the same standard quality. Just because horse droppings come out of your mouth, don't assume it's the same for everyone else on the internet.

SuperInfinity

subway wrote: »

Whu?
I think you're mixing us all up. Probably need to have a lie down.

But srsly, I know how to use my computer, don't suggest I have problems with that, k?

Okay you are right, it was Mystical Rain who said it to begin with. Well I have no idea why you decided to come into our discussion, I assumed you were the one who originally said it. I guess I should pay more attention next time.

MysticalRain

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Actually I do an awful lot of encoding, I have to encode most things that I want to connect to my tv. Anything with subtitles I have to encode, and sometimes it's a pain in the ass trying to get all of the settings and filters right and especially to get the audio and video to match up properly on my basic player.

So clearly you are wrong. What exactly are you talking about and what leads you to even suggest that I "clearly don't do a lot of video encoding"?

If it's "clearly", then just say it straightaway what it is. Or else you are full of **** and have no idea what you're talking about. Guess which one I think it is.

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Edit: btw it's the mencoder documentation that gives the bitrate should be about proportional to the square root of the resolution for the same standard quality. Just because horse droppings come out of your mouth, don't assume it's the same for everyone else on the internet.

With all due respect, you can't be that much of an expert on encoding media if you believe 4.5 gigabytes is sufficient for a 2 hour 1080p movie without a noticeable loss in quality. Or that "600 megabyte 720p" is a common rip size these days.

Of course if you had a decent media player, you wouldn't have to be doing all this encoding in the first place.

Sam Mac

Dman001 wrote: »

I've given up on Physical Media. DVDs/BDs just take up too much space for the amount of times I'd watch them. At least when you download Movies you have it with you on the go, watch it when you want to and delete it again if need be. It's just much more convenient, and of course cost effective.

I usually get a HD download, but not always as the extra time it rakes to download it usually isn't worth it when you're watching it on a Laptop size screen.

And it's illegal

Nerdkiller1991

Sam Mac wrote: »

And it's illegal

Wow, nice necrobump.

im invisible

I have to return some HD-DVD's

Sam Mac

Sam Mac wrote: »

And it's illegal

So is going into HMV and taking the bar-code stickers off of cheap Blu-Rays and putting them on the more expensive ones you want to buy, as you boasted about doing not so long ago. Would search for the post and link it but a mod deleted it.

af_thefragile

I have a PS3 and a few Attenborough documentaries on Blu Ray which are absolutely worth it!!

CruelCoin

Stinicker wrote: »

Has it reached a stage now where people have moved beyond physical format mediums and are happy to download a 700mb avi rip in crappovision instead of embracing High Definition.

Blueray is based on the same old crappy "hopey-hopey-no-scratchey-disk" technology.

Its like polishing a turd. It may gleam (mythbusters made it gleam) but its still a turd.
Its bulky to carry around, if you scratch it, its gone forever, its helluva expensive, adn it takes a long bloody time to order online or go to shops to purchase.

Digital format is the way to go forward. Smaller, faster, cheaper, more flexible, etc.

Besides, unless you have a tv larger than 30 inches, i'm not entirely convinced that there is a real visual benefit to HD. HD is completely wasted on smaller screens like laptops etc.

TwoShedsJackson

Wasn't convinced blu ray was any better really until I watched Alien and Aliens from the box set, and Band of Brothers - incredible picture, and if you have a decent speaker setup and amp the sound is streets ahead.

HD Audio is more than streets ahead, not even the cinema can compare.

Duggy747

Attenborough or any nature program in HD is incredible to look at, especially on a plasma for those vivid colours. You really need a TV bigger than 30 inches to appreciate what HD has to offer.

Also, any old movies that have been rescanned for HD release make it look like you're watching a whole new movie.

Plus, with the right sound system and setup you can blow away the cinema's sound experience since it has to cover a wider area than a room in your house.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Duggy747 wrote: »

Plus, with the right sound system and setup you can blow away the cinema's sound experience since it has to cover a wider area than a room in your house.

that shootout in Heat.. My god.

johndoe99

blu-ray all the way. I stopped buying DVDs months back, comparing DVDs and blurays , is like comparing ford escort with a lamborghini.

Duggy747

Duggy747 wrote: »

Plus, with the right sound system and setup you can blow away the cinema's sound experience since it has to cover a wider area than a room in your house.

Don't forget the theatres don't use HD Audio, just plain old DTS & DD.

Duggy747

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

that shootout in Heat.. My god.

It's the sound of Greek Gods fighting with each other! :pac:

Nerdkiller1991

CruelCoin wrote: »

Blueray is based on the same old crappy "hopey-hopey-no-scratchey-disk" technology.

Its like polishing a turd. It may gleam (mythbusters made it gleam) but its still a turd.
Its bulky to carry around, if you scratch it, its gone forever, its helluva expensive, adn it takes a long bloody time to order online or go to shops to purchase.

Digital format is the way to go forward. Smaller, faster, cheaper, more flexible, etc.

Besides, unless you have a tv larger than 30 inches, i'm not entirely convinced that there is a real visual benefit to HD. HD is completely wasted on smaller screens like laptops etc.

Let's see...compressed video, check. Lossy soundtrack, check. No extras, check. Merely only renting the movie on an extended license, check. There are so many things wrong with your post, I don't know where to begin. And that's before I mention about bandwidth caps from your network provider if you stream from Netflix or some similar service constantly (look at the US for instance). The people who actually say this sort of thing need to have a good long look to what these services really have to offer in comparison to BD. Sure, it may seem more convenient, but when you look at the hidden costs, I question if it is really worth it.

1ZRed

I have a blu ray player in my ps3 and I only buy blu rays now.
BD rips are nowhere near as good as the disc in PQ or sound so I'm staying put with them.

Why buy a full hd tv if you're going to watch DVDs on them? It's such a waste!

I only buy them online instead of being ripped off by paying €25 for them instore. So there isn't a massive price difference between DVDs and blu rays now.

af_thefragile

If anyone is not convinced by Blu Rays, they should get BBC's Planet Earth documentary and play it on a blu ray player and it won't take long before you'll forget DVDs!!

Hande hoche!

Still using DVDs. Might upgrade next year.

Bullseye1

What is the point of playing DVDs on a high definition screen. BD players can be bought for less than €100 now. There is no comparison if your a fan of movies .

krudler

Bullseye1 wrote: »

What is the point of playing DVDs on a high definition screen. BD players can be bought for less than €100 now. There is no comparison if your a fan of movies .

bluray players do upscale dvds though so it will look better than on a standard dvd player if its a good transfer.

I had a huge dvd collection and they're nearly all gone now, just ripped or got HD versions of them off the net, I dont feel guilty about replacing a shoddy transfer of a movie with a good one since I already paid for the crap version.

Bullseye1

krudler wrote: »

bluray players do upscale dvds though so it will look better than on a standard dvd player if its a good transfer.

I had a huge dvd collection and they're nearly all gone now, just ripped or got HD versions of them off the net, I dont feel guilty about replacing a shoddy transfer of a movie with a good one since I already paid for the crap version.

For sure. But your not getting the full benefit from your tv.

Captain Chaos

sugarman wrote: »

Bluray is'nt just for video, its a new form of storage. ATM ~25gb discs, but 400gb+ discs are under development and will be widely released in the not too distant future at very affordable prices.

Personally cant wait. It will help expand how much data can be included in games aswell as limiting the number of dvds needed for back ups. i.e O.S backups.

Right now they are at 50Gb for mainstream use and have been for a number of years. A few PS3 games have taken up to 30Gb+ with compression and that was in 2008.

There is already talk of BluRay's replacement and HD going beyond 1080p for non 3D gimmicky stuff.

af_thefragile

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Right now they are at 50Gb for mainstream use and have been for a number of years. A few PS3 games have taken up to 30Gb+ with compression and that was in 2008.

There is already talk of BluRay's replacement and HD going beyond 1080p for non 3D gimmicky stuff.

4K seems to be the next big "revolution" in TVs.
At this point its important to note not even cinemas are 4K. 90% of cinemas project in 2K resolution which is very very slightly bigger than 1080p, you'll hardly notice the difference between the two except for different aspect ratios.

4K is only really used while filming movies cuz it gives the director more room to frame their shots within the big 4K picture. 4K TVs would give really high level of detail but we're just really getting to terms with 1080p, most of us can wait a bit longer before we feel the need for 4K, if we ever do.

Meanwhile people in China are already working on developing 8K resolution cameras and TVs...

Wetbench4

i use a program called tversity to set up a home media server. I have over a TB of tv and films on my pc and i can stream them around the house to ps3, xbox, laptops, phones etc.

filmbuffboy

It really bothers me when I show someone a blu ray on a high end 46 inch sony tv and they say they dont see any difference. Are they blind???