My solution to single mothers & social housing ?

dvpower

gcgirl wrote: »

Houses are not free you pay rent in accordance to your imcome and they way you got on about housing estates you'd swear the place was populated by One parents family units, plenty of MARRIED couples live in local estates who cannot afford mortages!

I like Freddie's sig. I wonder does he ever read it.

El Weirdo

mickydoomsux wrote: »

People shouldn't be getting something for free that's worth hundreds of thousands that other people are paying for.

You do realise that social tenants don't actually own their houses, right? The houses are still owned by the local authorities or housing associations.

They are also not getting them "free" as you say. They pay rents based on their income.

Magic Beans

Lay off the single mothers. It's the only growth industry we have left.

Freddie59

mickydoomsux wrote: »

That might not be a bad idea. Give people rent-allowance instead.

You should only own a house if you can pay for it yourself. People shouldn't be getting something for free that's worth hundreds of thousands that other people are paying for.

Yep.

Freddie59

wild_cat wrote: »

I choose a single childless life and I pay for other peoples children allowance.

Swings and roundabouts.. etc etc.

Not really.

ismiseuisce

Whatever you feel about the single mothers themselves, do you not believe that their children deserve to be raised in a similar lifestyle to their peers?

Should a child be shunned to live in substandard housing just because their parents aren't together? That's mental. It's not the child's fault that their parent is not able to provide for them.

Freddie59

gcgirl wrote: »

Houses are not free you pay rent in accordance to your imcome and they way you got on about housing estates you'd swear the place was populated by One parents family units, plenty of MARRIED couples live in local estates who cannot afford mortages!

But are attempting to do so. Under the gravest of circumstances. Unlike those with their hands out, claiming they can't afford to.

Daisy2010

I can't use quote so here is the quote from another poster

Quote: Just asking,

Who would decide what single mother lived with what single mother, and as most if not all single mothers are very young who would control the finances as in Bill payments,Rubbish collections etc, cant see it working to be honest


Hi,
Old enough to have a child.......equals responsibilty........equals old enough to sort out finances...........what does everyone else do........oops, would you like to government to pay for a p.a. now as well.

zanador

Daisy2010 wrote: »

Hi,
Old enough to have a child.......equals responsibilty........equals old enough to sort out finances...........what does everyone else do........oops, would you like to government to pay for a p.a. now as well.

What's the solution to the problem, then?

Daisy2010

Hi,
Too much money being handed out. This country rewards those who never lift a finger. There are genuine people who have worked hard and have lost their jobs who deserve help but there are people in this country who start on the handouts as teenagers and live freely for their entire lives.

There are people with hard earned money, some barely on the precipice who cannot afford the luxuries of those receiving handouts.
They struggle yet would rather work than be labelled scroungers.

Solution, cut the rates dramatically, it's too attractive. Why should you get a nice new house for nothing.

It's not immaculate conceptions that are occuring........unless I'm missing something here.

zanador

But what about those who have been left in bad circumstances by an irresponsible partner/been widowed etc?

gcgirl

Do people realize that Ireland have a higher cost of living compared to most of our european neighbours, if we suddenly stop payments(any sw payment) the crime rate will go up, there has been a lot more burglarys than the norm in my locality, also anyone under the age of 25 certainly do not get 188 a week. Council Houses are not free either , GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PEEPS

gcgirl

zanador wrote: »

But what about those who have been left in bad circumstances by an irresponsible partner/been widowed etc?

Exactly a woman I know lost her husband last week to a heart attach shall people have the right to reduce any payment she receives ?

Nodin

gcgirl wrote: »

Do people realize that Ireland have a higher cost of living compared to most of our european neighbours, if we suddenly stop payments(any sw payment) the crime rate will go up, there has been a lot more burglarys than the norm in my locality, also anyone under the age of 25 certainly do not get 188 a week. Council Houses are not free either , GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PEEPS

Now, now....people are enjoying themselves venting their spleen at a minority. They don't need your joined up thinking pissing on their parade.

zanador

Nodin wrote: »

Now, now....people are enjoying themselves venting their spleen at a minority. They don't need your joined up thinking pissing on their parade.

oops, sorry, feckin single mother slut whores rabble, rabble, cause of all the problems, if only they'd been forced to have an abortion and then sterilised.

Nodin

zanador wrote: »

oops, sorry, feckin single mother slut whores rabble, rabble, cause of all the problems, if only they'd been forced to have an abortion and then sterilised.

Remember, if single mothers are people, then Pol Pot has won.

wild_cat

Freddie59 wrote: »

Not really.

It is.

Your complaining that you don't want to fund someone else's "life style"....


I to have health insurance to etc.

But I don't have kids... and I don't think my tax should go to pay your child benefit etc So my tax is going towards your life style..

So it is swings and round abouts.

It happens unfortunately and your just going to have to get over it like I've gotten over you receiving child benefit no matter how much I disagree with it.

cursai

gcgirl wrote: »

Do people realize that Ireland have a higher cost of living compared to most of our european neighbours, if we suddenly stop payments(any sw payment) the crime rate will go up, there has been a lot more burglarys than the norm in my locality, also anyone under the age of 25 certainly do not get 188 a week. Council Houses are not free either , GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PEEPS

Thats like saying we are paying criminals not to rob peoole!!!


Also people under twenty five do get that a week maybe not the ones living at home. Council houses are close to free. Certainly not as expensive as private renting.

I know a junkie who gets 320 per week. Disability on top of his dole. Dyslexia or ADHD. Not saying the two are equal. But its not a missing limb.

gcgirl

cursai wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

Do people realize that Ireland have a higher cost of living compared to most of our european neighbours, if we suddenly stop payments(any sw payment) the crime rate will go up, there has been a lot more burglarys than the norm in my locality, also anyone under the age of 25 certainly do not get 188 a week. Council Houses are not free either , GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PEEPS

Thats like saying we are paying criminals not to rob peoole!!!


Also people under twenty five do get that a week maybe not the ones living at home. Council houses are close to free. Certainly not as expensive as private renting.

I know a junkie who gets 320 per week. Disability on top of his dole. Dyslexia or ADHD. Not saying the two are equal. But its not a missing limb.

You cannot get another social welfare payment while receiving dole FACT


Copy & pasted from welfare.ie site

Rules
To qualify for Jobseeker's Benefit you must:

Be unemployed (you must be fully unemployed or unemployed for at least 3 days in 6)
Be under 66 years of age
Have enough social insurance (PRSI) contributions
Be capable of work
Be available for and genuinely seeking work
Have a substantial loss of employment and as a result be unemployed for at least 3 days in 6.

Snakeblood

Rabidlamb wrote: »

The housing lists are backed up & a lot of pressure is being put on councils.
I've had this solution for sometime now, it's a bit incendiary but this might be the time to roll it out.

Single mothers who don't want to live with their parents & declare the father absent can share a house with another single mother in the same situation.

Before you get all Kevin Myers on my ass think about it, it would cut down on the couples who commit welfare fraud by secretly living with their partner.
It would halve the single mothers on the waiting list in no time & might prove a disincentive to those who still choose it as a lifestyle choice.

I thought it was going to be 'whip them like dogs through the streets'.


I'm relieved, yet also unaccountably disappointed.

cursai

gcgirl wrote: »

You cannot get another social welfare payment while receiving dole FACT

That's completely untrue. TWISTED FACT
call it supplementary allowance or whatever or maybe just disability benefit.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Schemes/IllnessDisabilityAndCaring/Illness/OccupationalInjuries/DisablementBenefit/Pages/disable.aspx

Monty.

The problem is not single mothers/genuine poverty/disabled etc. ; the problem is the state seems unwilling and unable to differentiate between those abusing the system and the genuine cases.

zanador

Monty. wrote: »

The problem is not single mothers/genuine poverty/disabled etc. ; the problem is the state seems unwilling and unable to differentiate between those abusing the system and the genuine cases.

I have been a lone parent for 6 years and have had ONE house inspection and that was only because I was changing to RAS about three years ago. I could be doing anything:pac:

gcgirl

cursai wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

You cannot get another social welfare payment while receiving dole FACT

That's completely untrue. TWISTED FACT
call it supplementary allowance or whatever or maybe just disability benefit.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Schemes/IllnessDisabilityAndCaring/Illness/OccupationalInjuries/DisablementBenefit/Pages/disable.aspx

No you cannot claim if you deem yourself unfit and claim disabilty, you cannot clain dole as you have through a doctor and then through the dept. Of welfare doctor deemed yourself unfit to work and you cannot claim dole if your unfit for work, stop trying to twisted facts for your own enjoyment.

mikemac

wild_cat wrote: »

It also acts as a cash cow to a certain few. At least with council houses the council can re use them again and again and recoup some of the losses on the build if the rent is coming from dwellers working in the private sector etc.

When Mary Byrne got her windfall she planned to buy her council house

But I've an issue with this.
If she has come into money and wants to be a homeowner surely she should go buy a private house somewhere and give up the council house so someone on the waiting list can get it

The council should not be selling these off cheap to tenants.

chucken1

mikemac wrote: »

When Mary Byrne got her windfall she planned to buy her council house

But I've an issue with this.
If she has come into money and wants to be a homeowner surely she should go buy a private house somewhere and give up the council house so someone on the waiting list can get it

The council should not be selling these off cheap to tenants.

Well its her home!?

The council do not sell them off cheap.
Its market value with a portion of the rent you've paid,taken off.

We've all had the conversation..what would you do if you won the lotto..

Ive always said Id buy my house,its our home,its where I belong with good neighbours who certainly dont give you a kick in the guts when you're down.
Unlike a lot of people who frequent AH,who dont seem to know their neighbours names!

El Weirdo

mikemac wrote: »

When Mary Byrne got her windfall she planned to buy her council house

But I've an issue with this.
If she has come into money and wants to be a homeowner surely she should go buy a private house somewhere and give up the council house so someone on the waiting list can get it

The council should not be selling these off cheap to tenants.

Why not? Why should someone have to move out of an area where their friends live, where they may have grown up and even brought up their own kids, just because they aspire to own their own home?

dvpower

mikemac wrote: »

When Mary Byrne got her windfall she planned to buy her council house

But I've an issue with this.
If she has come into money and wants to be a homeowner surely she should go buy a private house somewhere and give up the council house so someone on the waiting list can get it

The council should not be selling these off cheap to tenants.

They shouldn't be selling them off cheap, but if tenants pay market price and the proceeds go back into new housing stock, then why not?
The more mixing of private and public housing the better.

El Weirdo

dvpower wrote: »

The more mixing of private and public housing the better.

This.

So many people are quite happy to ghettoise the less well-off in our society.

ascanbe

mikemac wrote: »

When Mary Byrne got her windfall she planned to buy her council house

But I've an issue with this.
If she has come into money and wants to be a homeowner surely she should go buy a private house somewhere and give up the council house so someone on the waiting list can get it

The council should not be selling these off cheap to tenants.

I know that house-prices are continuing to plummet, but i don't think you'd get a decent house for a pile of apples.

K-9

dvpower wrote: »

But rent allowance IS giving something for free what other people are paying for.


Was someone suggesting that we hand over the deeds of these properties???

It isn't free and it's expensive to rent on Social Welfare.

zanador

El Weirdo wrote: »

This.

So many people are quite happy to ghettoise the less well-off in our society.

I think you were posting earlier about people turning down council housing and THIS is the number one reason amongst people I know.

Given a choice between bringing my son up on some of the council estates we have and risking judgement for turning down a house I know which I'd choose.

mikemac

Look at the last few posts
I make a comment on waiting lists and the reaction is people being bad neighbors and attempting to ghettoize
Talk about defensive

ascanbe wrote: »

I know that house-prices are continuing to plummet, but i don't think you'd get a decent house for a pile of apples.

I don't know what that has to do with my post.

El Weirdo wrote: »

Why not?

The house belongs to the council and there are long waiting lists.
Once it's sold, it's gone for good and the options for those that need housing are reduced

If you have money and plans to buy a home then give up the house and buy a private house was my point.
Next person on the list with a housing need then gets it

If we had zero waiting lists it wouldn't matter but right now the councils should not be selling them when they are needed

Snakeblood

realies wrote: »

Just asking,

Who would decide what single mother lived with what single mother, and as most if not all single mothers are very young who would control the finances as in Bill payments,Rubbish collections etc, cant see it working to be honest.

I think they should be joined up on their milf level. The highest grades live together and get a webcam. It'll pay for itself.

El Weirdo

mikemac wrote: »

The house belongs to the council and there are long waiting lists.
Once it's sold, it's gone for good and the options for those that need housing are reduced

If you have money and plans to buy a home then give up the house and buy a private house was my point.
Next person on the list with a housing need then gets it

If we had zero waiting lists it wouldn't matter but right now the councils should not be selling them when they are needed

But that brings me to my point about ghettos. Social housing should be about building settled communities which is hardly going to happen when you're turfing people out of an area just because they have the aspiration to own their home.

chucken1

mikemac wrote: »

Look at the last few posts
I make a comment on waiting lists and the reaction is people being bad neighbors and attempting to ghettoize
Talk about defensive




I don't know what that has to do with my post.



The house belongs to the council and there are long waiting lists.
Once it's sold, it's gone for good and the options for those that need housing are reduced

If you have money and plans to buy a home then give up the house and buy a private house was my point.
Next person on the list with a housing need then gets it

If we had zero waiting lists it wouldn't matter but right now the councils should not be selling them when they are needed

Speaking from my own point of view (obviously )
Ive lived here for nearly 16 years,I cant imagine not living here. Id be like a fish out of water if I was away from here.

I wonder are the councils selling off a lot of houses?

I know I got a letter maybe 3 years ago?! telling me that the Council here,are no longer doing the shared ownership scheme. I dont know of any of my neighbours that are buying so maybe they have stopped selling for the very reason you mention.

heidi_ho

chucken1 wrote: »

Speaking from my own point of view (obviously )
Ive lived here for nearly 16 years,I cant imagine not living here. Id be like a fish out of water if I was away from here.

I wonder are the councils selling off a lot of houses?

I know I got a letter maybe 3 years ago?! telling me that the Council here,are no longer doing the shared ownership scheme. I dont know of any of my neighbours that are buying so maybe they have stopped selling for the very reason you mention.

Cant find the letter now but they are stopping the scheme at the end of this year or next 2012. Last chance for tenants to buy their houses.

heidi_ho

Can I just point out that it is NOT only single mothers that are on these housing lists... its the jobless, the disabled, the people who immigrated and now wish to live back in Ireland etc.

Have to say as a single mom, i work damn hard contrary to the belief of some posters that we sit on our bum all day watching Sky. Some people are pissed that they have to pay tax for Childrens allowance but dont take that up with the less fortunate single mothers, why not take it up with the uber- wealthy in this country who are also getting the same allowance as me.

I was lead to believe on here months ago in another thread that attitudes had changed towards single mothers but its evident on here that is not the case.

As for single mothers ghetto-ising(?) an estate by living there?????? What is this??? Why dont you just export all single mothers out to an island and forget about them and then the likes of us wont be ruining your perfect little estates. Problem solved.

Monty.

chucken1 wrote: »

The council do not sell them off cheap.
Its market value with a portion of the rent you've paid,taken off.

How much, and are you sure that is only allowances you are given when buying them ? How much does it cost the council (i.e. the taxpayer) to replace your house for another person from the housing list ?

zanador

heidi_ho wrote: »

As for single mothers ghetto-ising(?) an estate by living there?????? What is this??? Why dont you just export all single mothers out to an island and forget about them and then the likes of us wont be ruining your perfect little estates. Problem solved.

They mean it the other way round - that creating estates just for those on benefits (i.e council estates) is ghetto-ising people

heidi_ho

zanador wrote: »

They mean it the other way round - that creating estates just for those on benefits (i.e council estates) is ghetto-ising people

oh sorry...i always get the wrong end of the stick..

Monty.

heidi_ho wrote: »

Can I just point out that it is NOT only single mothers that are on these housing lists... its the jobless, the disabled, the people who immigrated and now wish to live back in Ireland etc.

It's a points based system. Single mothers go straight to the top of the list, a jobless single male can forget about it.

El Weirdo

Monty. wrote: »

How much, and are you sure that is only allowances you are given when buying them ? How much does it cost the council (i.e. the taxpayer) to replace your house for another person from the housing list ?

Info on the Tenant Purchase Scheme here.

chucken1

heidi_ho wrote: »

Can I just point out that it is NOT only single mothers that are on these housing lists... its the jobless, the disabled, the people who immigrated and now wish to live back in Ireland etc.

Have to say as a single mom, i work damn hard contrary to the belief of some posters that we sit on our bum all day watching Sky. Some people are pissed that they have to pay tax for Childrens allowance but dont take that up with the less fortunate single mothers, why not take it up with the uber- wealthy in this country who are also getting the same allowance as me.

I was lead to believe on here months ago in another thread that attitudes had changed towards single mothers but its evident on here that is not the case.

As for single mothers ghetto-ising(?) an estate by living there?????? What is this??? Why dont you just export all single mothers out to an island and forget about them and then the likes of us wont be ruining your perfect little estates. Problem solved.

Oh they get their fair of bashing too!!

And as for attitudes? Let them off,Id hate to be that bitter towards any human being.:)

heidi_ho

Monty. wrote: »

It's a points based system. Single mothers go straight to the top of the list, a jobless single male can forget about it.

Maybe because there is a child involved?? If a woman and child went to a hostel and a separate man at the same time... if i was handing out rooms... I would want to put the baby in one... wouldn't you? Or would you just give the man the room?

cursai

gcgirl wrote: »

No you cannot claim if you deem yourself unfit and claim disabilty, you cannot clain dole as you have through a doctor and then through the dept. Of welfare doctor deemed yourself unfit to work and you cannot claim dole if your unfit for work, stop trying to twisted facts for your own enjoyment.

Of course a doctor has to deem a person unfit. it can be gotten on top of benefits. Most doctors will sign off on this. I'm not making this up. I've seen the documents.
I'm not attacking genuine people deserving of it. But its open to abuse.

chucken1

Monty. wrote: »

It's a points based system. Single mothers go straight to the top of the list, a jobless single male can forget about it.

It may be a points system. There has to be some system!!

In our estate there are:

3 single men (2 working)
3 single women (all working)
2 pensioners
5 one parent families (2 headed by a man)
10 co-habiting couples(most have grown up children)
10 married couples (2 with no children)

Nice mix wouldnt you say?

zanador

Monty. wrote: »

It's a points based system. Single mothers go straight to the top of the list, a jobless single male can forget about it.

I don't know if you can reduce children to 'points'?

On another note, if the council had been paying my childcare instead of my rent for the past few years then maybe I'd be back on my feet more quickly.. I asked them about this and they said

Monty.

El Weirdo wrote: »

Info on the Tenant Purchase Scheme here.

New Tenant Purchase Scheme for 2011 only

The maximum discount on market price will be 45% at a rate of 3% per year of tenancy up to 15 years maximum.

The older tenant purchase scheme remains in operation for tenants with between 1 and 10 years tenancy. This scheme has a maximum discount of 30% plus €3,810 allowance. It is expected that this scheme will be wound down in 2012.

Wow, those are some discounts, how much does it cost the council to replace the house for someone else on the housing list ?

Monty.

zanador wrote: »

I don't know if you can reduce children to 'points'?

So how are single mothers put to the top of the housing list if it's not based on points ?

zanador wrote: »

On another note, if the council had been paying my childcare instead of my rent for the past few years then maybe I'd be back on my feet more quickly.. I asked them about this and they said

Are you saying you can afford to pay for your own accomodation, but not childcare ?