Son Of General Retro Discussion

Professey Chin

Thats more like it! Thanks

o1s1n

I didn't see that Nintendo conference today, but did come across this Japanese link with games they apparantly announced. Some great looking stuff there -

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2011/titlelist/index.html

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

I didn't see that Nintendo conference today, but did come across this Japanese link with games they apparantly announced. Some great looking stuff there -

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2011/titlelist/index.html

Games. Actual games. Bout time. I wonder when we'll see them (the non JP exclusives that is)

o1s1n

It's weird seeing a game lineup for it.

I've suddenly gone from 'Nintendo! Why don't you want my money?! to '**** Ninendo, don't take so much!!'

I'd say we won't see most of them for another while yet unfortunately. Still, it's given me a bit of that optimism back.

Sparks43

3ds is finally dead in my eyes


Really thought the big announcement was going to be Boulder Dash :mad:

CiDeRmAn

luas_dublin wrote: »

I'd be up for rehoming them , I'm in maynooth though

I may be in Maynooth in the next few days, so pm me your details and i'll organise to drop them off, ok?

pdbhp

So what did Nintendo actually announce then? The shítty analogue add on that requires 2 x AA batteries (seriously WTF) and some games.

Come on Nintendo fook off and actually release some games instead of talking about them.
What an abomination that add on circle pad is I've seen turds that look better than that.
TBH I would have preferred a redesign than that heap of garbage and supposedly you gots to put batteries in it Feck off!!

some nice looking games though but even that hasn't eased my anxiety that it's gonna stink especially with the add on:(

Maybe it's the vita life for me!! and I fúcking hate Sony!!


Rant//

Myrddin

pdbhp wrote: »

So what did Nintendo actually announce then? The shítty analogue add on that requires 2 x AA batteries (seriously WTF) and some games.

Come on Nintendo fook off and actually release some games instead of talking about them.
What an abomination that add on circle pad is I've seen turds that look better than that.
TBH I would have preferred a redesign than that heap of garbage and supposedly you gots to put batteries in it Feck off!!

some nice looking games though but even that hasn't eased my anxiety that it's gonna stink especially with the add on:(

Maybe it's the vita life for me!! and I fúcking hate Sony!!


Rant//

Yep, the battery thing just reeks of after-thought. Likely because whichever way it interfaces with the 3DS, the option to draw system power/add to system power just isn't possible.

The games, while warmly welcomed, don't really explain the big hype secret annoucement bs.

Seems to be one balls up after the next...did I I read there's someone new at the helm of Nintendo the last few years or something? Their direction lately is well below the standards (set by themselves!)

And while this is just rumour, it just wouldn't surprise me from Ninty lately - http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nintendo-Wii-Wii-U-Problems-Delay-Development,news-12486.html

wrote:

01net, believed to be quite reliable when it comes to Nintendo rumors, cites a source from within the company that says Nintendo rushed to complete the Wii U and, as a result, the hardware isn't up to the streaming and wireless functionalities that are fundamental to the console. According to 01net, Nintendo has already burned through three prototypes and is on its way to a fourth. Not only that, but developers are dealing with cable tethers between console and controller and are interrupted almost daily with software updates.

pdbhp

EnterNow wrote: »

Yep, the battery thing just reeks of after-thought. Likely because whichever way it interfaces with the 3DS, the option to draw system power/add to system power just isn't possible.

The games, while warmly welcomed, don't really explain the big hype secret annoucement bs.

Seems to be one balls up after the next...did I I read there's someone new at the helm of Nintendo the last few years or something? Their direction lately is well below the standards (set by themselves!)

And while this is just rumour, it just wouldn't surprise me from Ninty lately - http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nintendo-Wii-Wii-U-Problems-Delay-Development,news-12486.html

Yea the way they were going on about it I fully expected a redesign and not just a shíte add on thats gonna cost €15.

Seems there's something amiss at Nintendo HQ (like brains) which sucks cos Nintendo usually get things right(ish).

Nice games line up and if Monster Hunter 4 is 3DS exclusive then it's in your face Sony.

It remains to be seen how the 3DS is gonna pan out and I for one will not be carting around that hideous looking analogue add on, Jesus it just makes me want to vomit

Retr0gamer

3DS redesign is pretty much confirmed at this stage. Really can't believe how shoddy the second analogue attachment design is, or figure out why it's actually needed. I'll be waiting for the 3DS lite.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

3DS redesign is pretty much confirmed at this stage. Really can't believe how shoddy the second analogue attachment design is, or figure out why it's actually needed. I'll be waiting for the 3DS lite.

Because a 3DS Lite is needed?

Well, technically speaking now it is your correct...but what's needed isn't hardware godamnit

Dr Bob

luas_dublin wrote: »

I've thrown up a review (and then I threw up)

And here it is.It really is rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8SmmovJ87k

Retr0gamer

EnterNow wrote: »

Because a 3DS Lite is needed?

Well, technically speaking now it is your correct...but what's needed isn't hardware godamnit

Not that it's needed, more so that nintendo will integrate the second analogue stick as an excuse to sell more hardware. I can see sales of the 3DS taking a massive hit now because people can see the hardware redesign coming a mile off now.

However Bravely Default looks great and there's a new Fire Emblem and Fire Emblem always rocks hard! And Rocket Slime better come out over here!

CiDeRmAn

Yeah, the circle pad add on looks terrible but every one of us 3ds owners is going to buy it, gate it but buy it anyway.
The line up of games looks superb, I am especially looking forward to Ace Combat, could be the business!
Need more though! More games, see what EA have in mind, Need for Speed, Burnout the good stuff!
I know it wasn't mentioned at the Nintendo gig but a redesign is certainly imminent, or the Vita is going to sh1te all over the machine.
Only that or Monster Hunter 4 can save it now.

o1s1n

Is anyone else not too pushed on having two analog sticks on a handheld? The two main uses it generally has are FPS type controls and camera movement.

I'm not arsed with FPS games on a handheld and there are other easy solutions to solve camera movement. Lets not forget that the touch pad can be used to input too.

Plus as I mentioned somewhere else, dual analog sticks usually means shoulder button use. The shoulder buttons on the 3DS are awfully cramped and really hurt my hands if I have to use both of them. I'm sure the add on would solve that, but a console redesign would not.

I'm hoping anyway that most games I want to play really have no use for a second stick.

Mr.Saturn

Beyond the Labyrinth might be the baby that coaxes me into picking up the 3DS. Cautious, but excited.

o1s1n

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Beyond the Labyrinth might be the baby that coaxes me into picking up the 3DS. Cautious, but excited.

That game looks gorgeous alright. Don't think it's due out for a while yet.

Steve X2

o1s1n wrote: »

Is anyone else not too pushed on having two analog sticks on a handheld? The two main uses it generally has are FPS type controls and camera movement.

I'm not arsed with FPS games on a handheld and there are other easy solutions to solve camera movement. Lets not forget that the touch pad can be used to input too.

Plus as I mentioned somewhere else, dual analog sticks usually means shoulder button use. The shoulder buttons on the 3DS are awfully cramped and really hurt my hands if I have to use both of them. I'm sure the add on would solve that, but a console redesign would not.

I'm hoping anyway that most games I want to play really have no use for a second stick.

To be honest I didn't think the 3DS needed another stick.
Plus it's not really a design that lends well to dual sticks, I don't think so anyway.

Now, the vita is a different story and dual sticks will work nicely with that I'm sure.

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Retr0gamer

I'm pretty sure the stupid analogue stick add-on was added for monster hunter. Which is strange considering it's most popular on the PSP which also has one analogue stick. The fact that it needs batteries to run it is absolutely baffling and insane.

Mr.Saturn

o1s1n wrote: »

That game looks gorgeous alright. Don't think it's due out for a while yet.

That is, like 90 percent of games worth playing on the console.

o1s1n

Steve SI wrote: »

To be honest I didn't think the 3DS needed another stick.
Plus it's not really a design that lends well to dual sticks, I don't think so anyway.

Now, the vita is a different story and dual sticks will work nicely with that I'm sure.

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Yeah the design of the dual screen setup doesn't give you the necessary finger access to the shoulder buttons that's required for dual stick use. I'd much rather stick to the traditional face buttons.

As for the Vita..well...Sony once again put the sticks in the wrong place!

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the stupid analogue stick add-on was added for monster hunter. Which is strange considering it's most popular on the PSP which also has one analogue stick. The fact that it needs batteries to run it is absolutely baffling and insane.

They seriously dropped the ball on the battery thing. It should contain a rechargable battery for the 3DS. The fact that it NEEDs power is beyond laughable.

Steve X2

o1s1n wrote: »

Yeah the design of the dual screen setup doesn't give you the necessary finger access to the shoulder buttons that's required for dual stick use. I'd much rather stick to the traditional face buttons.

As for the Vita..well...Sony once again put the sticks in the wrong place!

Yeah, maybe.
But at least they put "sticks" on it this time and not "stick"


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o1s1n

I take it you'll be buying two Vitas on release? You know, four sticks better than two and all that

Steve X2

o1s1n wrote: »

I take it you'll be buying two Vitas on release? You know, four sticks better than two and all that

You know me well old chap

I'll be over in Nippon in December so might be tempted to grab one* before they launch over here.











* One means two

pdbhp

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the stupid analogue stick add-on was added for monster hunter. Which is strange considering it's most popular on the PSP which also has one analogue stick. The fact that it needs batteries to run it is absolutely baffling and insane.

Bafflieng and insane, brilliant stuff, exactly what I was thinking.

I've been stewing all day cos of Nintendo it is just so strange that they could have gotten themselves into this position. What were thay thinking WTF Nintendo, why in gods name didn't they release it with all the bells and whistles. I can't believe they fouled up like that what a bunch of knobs

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The fact that it needs batteries to run it is absolutely baffling and insane.

It's not that baffling, the interface port on the 3DS for the stick isn't equipped to provide nor recieve system power. It's a bolt on afterthought is all.

Insane...well that's different.

Retr0gamer

It's so much hassle though that if I was nintendo then I'd just do without. Any handheld game that I've enjoyed on the DS or PSP hasn't needed a second analogue stick. Any game that does require one is a game I'd much rather play on a home console. The Vita is getting CoD and Uncharted but they aren't what I want to play on a handheld and aren't what I'm excited about. Announcing this stupid peripheral is just making it look like the 3DS is in even more trouble than it really is and I can see it harming nintendo in the long run rather than making it better.

johnny_ultimate

It isn't useless by any stretch. A few previews I've read of Kid Icarus especially have said that the game definitely suffers from control problems (one stick + touch aiming).

Not all games need dual analogue sticks. But it would certainly help some - Kid Icarus, Mario and Luigi's Mansion are the ones that spring to mind. It couldn't hurt to have one: would give developers a choice to implement what could well be superior control schemes.

pdbhp

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It isn't useless by any stretch. A few previews I've read of Kid Icarus especially have said that the game definitely suffers from control problems (one stick + touch aiming).

Not all games need dual analogue sticks. But it would certainly help some - Kid Icarus, Mario and Luigi's Mansion are the ones that spring to mind. It couldn't hurt to have one: would give developers a choice to implement what could well be superior control schemes.

Well said J_U but the point of the matter is that it looks like a lump of shít hanging off a nice looking console and more to the point why didn't Nintendo make a 3DS with 2 analogue inputs. It's not like the analogue stick is a new invention, sure the PSP has been sucking for years with one.

johnny_ultimate

Oh, I'm not doubting it looks like a piece of **** :P It's a good idea very, very poorly implemented. It's such a good idea they should have ****ing done it in the first place.

johnny_ultimate

I think we've all had this Christmas experience. But with crappy videogames as opposed to delicious melon bread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PLwtM3_TTU

pdbhp

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Oh, I'm not doubting it looks like a piece of **** :P It's a good idea very, very poorly implemented. It's such a good idea they should have ****ing done it in the first place.

Oh yea they certiantly should have had the foresight to see that it would need another pad and it was obvious that when sony released the new PSP it would have two control sticks, it's very demoralising to see Nintendo like this especially since I'm a filthy dirty Ninty fanboy for over 25 years:(

Jack burton

Could us fools who bought the 3DS on release have our hands on a future Virtual Boy in say 10 years?

I'm thinking if Sony really play their cards right with the Vinetta or whatever its called they could really dominate Nintendo

Retr0gamer

Was listening to roleplayers realm and it seems you need a second analogue for monster hunter, it's pretty much essential. On the PSP you use your hand like a claw to move the camera using the d-pad with your index finger and your thumb to move. Still if nintendo where going after monster hunter they shold have made provisions for this. In fact they should have made provisions for monster hunter clones which are the FPS of japanese genres at the moment.

Also **** my laptop. Got home and had less than 10 minutes to get online and place a bid on a game I really wanted. It was so slow I got to the auction with 10 seconds to go then placed a bid for the amount of the starting bid but my laptop was so slow that it didn't register until the auction was over. I could have gotten the game for it's starting bid but it ended up not getting bid on at all

OwaynOTT

Hey if I was to be getting a ds. Which one should I get? Which is the best.

pdbhp

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Hey if I was to be getting a ds. Which one should I get? Which is the best.

3DS:D

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's so much hassle though that if I was nintendo then I'd just do without. Any handheld game that I've enjoyed on the DS or PSP hasn't needed a second analogue stick. Any game that does require one is a game I'd much rather play on a home console. The Vita is getting CoD and Uncharted but they aren't what I want to play on a handheld and aren't what I'm excited about. Announcing this stupid peripheral is just making it look like the 3DS is in even more trouble than it really is and I can see it harming nintendo in the long run rather than making it better.

Completely agree, it wreaks of desperation when in reality the 3DS problem could be solved without it. Most people now believe that a new version 3DS isn't far away & will hold buying the existing one, thus hurting the already bad sales figures even more. Terrible terrible lack of vision by Nintendo there...

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It isn't useless by any stretch. A few previews I've read of Kid Icarus especially have said that the game definitely suffers from control problems (one stick + touch aiming).

Not all games need dual analogue sticks. But it would certainly help some - Kid Icarus, Mario and Luigi's Mansion are the ones that spring to mind. It couldn't hurt to have one: would give developers a choice to implement what could well be superior control schemes.

Yes on paper, but look at the configuration of the 3DS with the analogue stick attatchment. To my eye, its a serious stretch of the thumb form the 2nd stick to any buttons. Plus as o1s1n said, the shoulder buttons are an ergonomic disaster & harbingers of hand cramp (something Retr0 knows a lot about apparently ).

It's a benefit to certain games, but not in this configuration.

Jack burton wrote: »

Could us fools who bought the 3DS on release have our hands on a future Virtual Boy in say 10 years?

I'm thinking if Sony really play their cards right with the Vinetta or whatever its called they could really dominate Nintendo

I doubt Nintendo will let it slip away that quietly...but higher management need to really be woken up here. The Vita is going to pummel the 3DS in terms of sales with the promised lineup.

Atavan-Halen

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Hey if I was to be getting a ds. Which one should I get? Which is the best.

If you can stretch the few extra euro go for a DSi, if you just want something cheap and cheerful go for a DS lite.

Jack burton

EnterNow wrote: »

I doubt Nintendo will let it slip away that quietly...but higher management need to really be woken up here. The Vita is going to pummel the 3DS in terms of sales with the promised lineup.

I would really like to see Sony give nintendo a kicking for once in the handheld market, but as we know Sony are experts and making lackluster handhelds

But a new 3Ds is coming, but definitly not this side of Christmas so thats going to give Sony a huge advantage

Retr0gamer

Anyone know where to get a cheap DS lite new? Second hand ones all seem to be in bits and ebay is full of knock off DS Lites.

Atavan-Halen

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Anyone know where to get a cheap DS lite new? Second hand ones all seem to be in bits and ebay is full of knock off DS Lites.

Ask to see all of the stock in Game and Gamestop. I know from working there that there's always a minter hidden in the stock room!

CiDeRmAn

The DS lite has to be one of the most beautiful console designs ever.
No ambition there to be anything other than a cracking handheld, two lovely clear screens, nice casing that closes with a solid snap, nice finish as well.
I currently have custody of my nephews black DSlite and it just feels nicer than the DSi, not trying to be multimedia or a camera or anything other than a great games platform.

And regarding the new Circle Pad and Monster Hunter 4, the massive selling PS3 version managed without a second analogue stick didn't it?

johnny_ultimate

Yeah but the controls are super dodge! Think you have to use the DPad for camera control?

If you want to see how a game suffers from lack of dual analogue MGS Peace Walker is the perfect example. Theres various alternate control schemes but none are ideal. The optimal one is where you use the face buttons for camera control, and the result is all actions relegated to the DPad and shoulder buttons (the latter half occupied by an aim button!). Playable? Just about. Ideal? Definitely not.

Atavan-Halen

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Yeah but the controls are super dodge!

I totes agree bbz!

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Anyone know where to get a cheap DS lite new? Second hand ones all seem to be in bits and ebay is full of knock off DS Lites.

I have a spare one I could give you, you'd love it, it's party pink with the Princess Peach thing to go over it

Atavan-Halen

Sera wrote: »

I have a spare one I could give you, you'd love it, it's party pink

Party pink?! My favourite pink!

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy

atavan-halen wrote: »

Party pink?! My favourite pink!

IKNOWRIGHT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlGNSzpmLYc

Pyongyang

atavan-halen wrote: »

Party pink?! My favourite pink!

I wonder if you can get a Cho Aniki DS skin in pink... in packs of 4.

DinoRex

luas_dublin wrote: »

And here it is.It really is rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8SmmovJ87k

I seem to remember the sequel being pretty damn good on the C64 though.


The new Four Swords game looks amazing by the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iX7B6WnS4w

Mr Vengeance

I bought my 3DS in May when HMV had their first price cut on it. I was in the market for one you could say - I was going to buy one, but at the right price.... and the launch price was taking the Michael.

So I got one for €205 brand new. Just popped in one day for a nose and there it was , all reduced for itself! I picked up new copies of Ridge Racer and PilotWings - I absolutely loved them. PilotWings is superb, but there's no proper exploration mode - the free flying mode is timed! Its fun but you can't just go for an explore for yourself because the clock is always counting down. The single player mode is odd too in that you don't beat the game until you get three stars in each event, even though you can clear missions with less than three stars.... some odd design decisions made in this, but other than that its brilliant fun, looks incredible and controls well. Really really good game.

Ridge Racer is amazing to begin with, but its single player mode is very long-winded, and the cars are far too hard to control at top speed along the narrower tracks as you can't break properly - breaking automatically puts you into a slide. In the mighty Ridge Racer 64, you could break by holding down both the break and accelerator at the same time, which made it really playable as you didn't spend half the lap power sliding into walls when all you needed to do was get around the corner nice and slowly. Still, its a lot of fun on the wider tracks, it looks the business and.... I think I might go off and play it again this evening - its excellent for the most part.

I bought Street Fighter IV for it too and thats great, if a little hard to control. I bought Pro Evo too and enjoy that in short bursts. A bit dull graphically but the gameplay is nice and arcadey.

Whilst the 3DS hasn't had much play time recently, I am very much looking forward to what is in store for it in the coming months. I do believe that its software is overpriced though - forty odd quid is too much for a handheld game, especially when they are as short and / or are remakes. But... I have been very optimistic for the system recently in light of the price cut.

However.... that analogue add-on is HORRIFIC - its the ugliest looking thing I have ever seen in my life. I really do not want to buy that and stick it onto my lovely sleek 3DS console in all honesty. I suppose I'll end up having to, but its guaranteed now that the "3DS Lite" is on its way sporting the proper shizz that should have been on there to begin with. If I hadn't have bought a 3DS by now I'd be holding out for the 3DS Lite in light of that monstrosity!!! :eek: