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Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

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    #512
    Jess16
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Jess16


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    So being Religious is an innapropriate characteristic for a Presidential candidate.Quite a narrow-minded attitude tbh.

    Nobody said it was an inappropriate characteristic but it's a characteristic that needs to be looked at critically when appointing a president. Like another poster already said, it's about the rationale behind it. Being religious doesn't automatically make somebody good or moral.

    One could also argue that being religious in itself is narrow-minded


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    #513
    mossyc123
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The rationality of the candidate is perfectly appropriate to discuss. If a person is religious and believes in things for which there is no evidence, then the rationality of that person comes into question.

    This is why prospective American presidents get asked about their belief in creationism - it's a method of getting at their rationale.

    Being Religious does not make you an irrational person.

    You are aware of that I hope.

    Dana is a Catholic, not a Creationist.

    The Church in Rome has accepted the Theory of Evolution since 1950.


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    #514
    hotmail.com
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Being Religious does not make you an irrational person.

    You are aware of that I hope.

    Dana is a Catholic, not a Creationist.

    The Church in Rome has accepted the Theory of Evolution since 1950.


    That's not the only incredible feature of the Catholic teachings...the emaculate conception...I presume she believes in this.


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    #515
    mossyc123
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    That's not the only incredible feature of the Catholic teachings...the immaculate conception...I presume she believes in this.

    It's not a feature of Catholic Teaching.

    Adam & Eve is used as a parable more then anything else afaik.

    As for Dana and the Immaculate Conception...you'll have to find that one out for yourself... someones own personal beliefs are something you have chosen as a link to their mental capacity and decision making processes.

    It certainly hasn't affected Dana in any way as she has had a successful Music Career, a successful TV Career, was an MEP and is now a candidate for the upcoming Presidential Election.

    Arguably her belief in God has given her strength and helped her to those successes.

    Each to their own, no?

    I personally don't think that what someone chooses to believe in is indicative of any defect in how they conduct themselves in public.

    Most Religious people I know are well-educated, successful people who have got on well in society.

    They certainly haven't exhibited irrationality as you have suggested.


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    #516
    mossyc123
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    Jess16 wrote: »
    Nobody said it was an inappropriate characteristic but it's a characteristic that needs to be looked at critically when appointing a president. Like another poster already said, it's about the rationale behind it. Being religious doesn't automatically make somebody good or moral.

    True.

    But follow the principles of Christian Religion (not necassarily the practices) and your well on your way.

    What your saying (I think) is that Religion doesn't have a monopoly on morality.

    Completely agree.

    I believe that we all have an in-built morality in us (based on early man's realisation that co-operation and being "good" to each other was benificial to all)

    It's not the journey that's important (how you form your own morality/decency) but the destination (being a moral/decent person).
    One could also argue that being religious in itself is narrow-minded

    I see it as indicitive of an ability to be accepting of one's own background, society and traditions.

    To not feel the need to constantly rail against everything and to be at peace with oneself and where you come from.


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    #517
    hotmail.com
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    It's not a feature of Catholic Teaching.

    Adam & Eve is used as a parable more then anything else afaik.

    As for Dana and the Immaculate Conception...you'll have to find that one out for yourself... someones own personal beliefs are something you have chosen as a link to their mental capacity and decision making processes.

    It certainly hasn't affected Dana in any way as she has had a successful Music Career, a successful TV Career, was an MEP and is now a candidate for the upcoming Presidential Election.

    Arguably her belief in God has given her strength and helped her to those successes.

    Each to their own, no?

    I personally don't think that what someone chooses to believe in is indicative of any defect in how they conduct themselves in public.

    Most Religious people I know are well-educated, successful people who have got on well in society.

    They certainly haven't exhibited irrationality as you have suggested.

    If someone believes in something for which there is no evidence (eg a belief in a supervisory higher being, emaculate conception, having the ability to come back from the dead etc), then there has to be serious questions asked about that person's rationality.


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    #518
    Jess16
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Jess16


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    I see it as indicitive of an ability to be accepting of one's own background, society and traditions.

    To not feel the need to constantly rail against everything and to be at peace with oneself and where you come from.

    Personally, I'm all for embracing one's own background and traditions but to assume somebody doesn't or isn't at peace with oneself because they aren't religious is just ludicrous


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    #519
    constitutionus
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    noel whelan got fairly snotty during the show i have to say.

    LOLd at him being described as "barrister" when his name came up too.

    yeah , like we forgot his connections to FF.

    :)


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    #520
    JonathanAnon
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    He's discussing the bank bailout in 2008, what the alteratives were and how were all steeped in a big hole now because of Lenihan and Cowan...

    Can only assume that he is going over this again because it's the third anniversary..


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    #521
    Teclo
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    A cadaver dissected too often.


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    #522
    woodoo
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    He's discussing the bank bailout in 2008, what the alteratives were and how were all steeped in a big hole now because of Lenihan and Cowan...

    Can only assume that he is going over this again because it's the third anniversary..

    He has mentioned the bank bailout in almost every show for the last 3 years too :D


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    #523
    Jess16
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Jess16


    This is supposed to be a current affairs programme. Am tired of this discussion and can't see the relevance of it going forward


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    #524
    take everything
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    Seems to be just another rehash of the banking guarantee tonight.
    Vinny's obsessed.


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    #525
    Corsendonk
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    Think VB is working on the theory of asking the same questions to the same individuals In the hope that they will start to invent new stories when they themselves get bored of giving the same answers.


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    #526
    Jess16
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Jess16


    take everything wrote: »
    Seems to be just another rehash of the banking guarantee tonight.
    Vinny's obsessed.

    Is it Vincent or the producers though? Am curious to know how much input he has regarding the content of the show or is he largely following his boss's orders?


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    #527
    take everything
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    What's your man Ryan doing now?


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    #528
    JonathanAnon
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    Peter Matthews really annoys me with his constant (unrequested) prompting while other people are speaking.


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    #529
    Good loser
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    By Jan 2007 imo it was already too late to head off the crisis to any significant degree - the money was lost by then.
    The quantification of the losses had/has still to be established.
    Vinnie has something on Peter.


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    #530
    Oh_Noes
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    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Peter Matthews really annoys me with his constant (unrequested) prompting while other people are speaking.

    Correct.


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    #531
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭take everything


    Vincent's such a stickler.
    What exactly is he alluding to here.


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    #532
    Kev_ps3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    take everything wrote: »
    Seems to be just another rehash of the banking guarantee tonight.
    Vinny's obsessed.

    At least they arnt talking about the presentational election


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    #533
    Corsendonk
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    Sounds like VB has some Dirt on Peter!


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    #534
    bluefinger
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    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Sounds like VB has some Dirt on Peter!

    yes, anyone have any ideas?


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    #535
    Oh_Noes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    bluefinger wrote: »
    yes, anyone have any ideas?

    He has a business selling chicken pies on the side.


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    #536
    bluefinger
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    Jess16 wrote: »
    This is supposed to be a current affairs programme. Am tired of this discussion and can't see the relevance of it going forward

    there will be plenty of time for current affairs in the last five minutes of the programme. :)


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    #537
    bluefinger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭bluefinger


    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    He has a business selling chicken pies on the side.

    thought that was his brother bernard. :)


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    #538
    Corsendonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Corsendonk


    bluefinger wrote: »
    yes, anyone have any ideas?

    Might this be the reason he is a backbencher?


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    #539
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    oh stfu Matthews ye ignorant b0ll0x


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    #540
    Oh_Noes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    bluefinger wrote: »
    thought that was his brother bernard. :)

    Nooo his brother is Eamon Gilmore. They're practically twins.

    Damn it I'd murder a pie right now.


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    #541
    Richard tea
    Registered Users Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    I cant believe Ryan was given 20 mins at the start to repeat what he has said 20,0000 times over & over again. very little time for a real debate. Get the finger out Vinny:mad:


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