Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

tim_sims

cunnifferous wrote: »

Anyone bored enough to look up the OECD report and settle this handbags?

id bet everything i own that DOB is right

vinnie has always been long on rhetoric and short on facts

Good loser

tim_sims wrote: »

this is the first time ive ever seen anyone call out vinnie on his bull************************

well done tin tin

Yeah well said. I like Dan O Brien.

Vinnie has an incredibly narrow focus. Ties everything to about five statistics and now turns out two of them (at least) are wrong.

As Hermann Goering said 'When I hear the words fairness and equality it makes me reach for my revolver'!

Harry Angstrom

tim_sims wrote: »

not all social wellfare has been cut , pensioners have been completley shielded

Pensioners have been shielded because they, above any other sector of society, have mobilised themselves to resist cuts. They should be admired for standing up for themselves the way they did when Brian Lenihan and co. threatened to take medical cards away from anybody earning a penny more that the state pension.

BaZmO*

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Pensioners have been shielded because they, above any other sector of society, have mobilised themselves to resist cuts. They should be admired for standing up for themselves the way they did when Brian Lenihan and co. threatened to take medical cards away from anybody earning a penny more that the state pension.

That's because they've nothing better to be doing with themselves

Harry Angstrom

BaZmO* wrote: »

That's because they've nothing better to be doing with themselves

What a stupid thing to say.

tayto lover

BaZmO* wrote: »

That's because they've nothing better to be doing with themselves

Most of them paid taxes all their lives and lived through many severe recessions. They also contributed to their pensions and are entitled to enjoy their final years without worrying about heating their homes or going hungry. In many cases they are also helping their redundant children with mortgages etc.

Good loser

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say.

No. It's funny.

Harry Angstrom

Good loser wrote: »

No. It's funny.

Funny in a stupidly warped, patronising and condescending way only.

BaZmO*

BaZmO* wrote: »

That's because they've nothing better to be doing with themselves

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say.

Jesus lads, lighten up. It was a tongue in cheek comment, with a light smattering of truth.

tim_sims

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Pensioners have been shielded because they, above any other sector of society, have mobilised themselves to resist cuts. They should be admired for standing up for themselves the way they did when Brian Lenihan and co. threatened to take medical cards away from anybody earning a penny more that the state pension.

he did in his h0le , he proposed lowering the threshold , unfortunatley irrational hysteria took hold

the threshold level is obscenly high , i have an uncle ( retired guard ) who has several properties , lives in D4 and is able to go tot he doc for free

Technocentral

Let them eat Werther's Originals, I say.

take everything

God this Alan Rickman-wannabe gets on my nerves.

Harry Angstrom

BaZmO* wrote: »

Jesus lads, lighten up. It was a tongue in cheek comment, with a light smattering of truth.

"Light smattering of truth?" :rolleyes:

My dad worked for 30 years in the same job, paying into a pension for a tiny weekly supplementary income (unlike a politician or government minister who automatically qualifies for an obscene pension after what seems like a few months :rolleyes:). He developed health complications in his old age which required medical care which would have cost a lot of money in GP fees and medication when that prick Lenihan decided to cut medical cards for anyone earning a penny more than the state pension.

take everything

What a clown Vinny is. "Jennifer".
Good woman Caroline.

tim_sims

tayto lover wrote: »

Most of them paid taxes all their lives and lived through many severe recessions. They also contributed to their pensions and are entitled to enjoy their final years without worrying about heating their homes or going hungry. In many cases they are also helping their redundant children with mortgages etc.

that old chestnut about them having contributed to their pension

most of them contributed to A pension , that doesnt mean they made enough contributions to cover the present rate of pension

you get paid 219 per week even you never paid a happeny in tax

even those who paid prsi , the vast majority will not come close to covering what they will draw down

tim_sims

Good loser wrote: »

No. It's funny.

cause its true

BaZmO*

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

"Light smattering of truth?" :rolleyes:

My dad worked for 30 years in the same job, paying into a pension for a tiny weekly supplementary income (unlike a politician or government minister who automatically qualifies for an obscene pension after what seems like a few months :rolleyes:). He developed health complications in his old age which required medical care which would have cost a lot of money in GP fees and medication when that prick Lenihan decided to cut medical cards for anyone earning a penny more than the state pension.

Stick your "light smattering of truth" where the sun don't shine.

The protest marches that get the biggest turnouts are always those involving students and pensioners. #justsayin

keelanj69

What did those two women contribute?

Harry Angstrom

tim_sims wrote: »

he did in his h0le , he proposed lowering the threshold , unfortunatley irrational hysteria took hold

the threshold level is obscenly high , i have an uncle ( retired guard ) who has several properties , lives in D4 and is able to go tot he doc for free

His initial "lowering of the threshold" was to take away medial cards from anyone who earned more than the weekly state pension. It was only when pressure was brought to bear on him that Lenihan changed his tune. Unfortunately we don't all have rich benefactors like Charlie Haughey who can organise a whip around for liver transplants for his old man and then pocket the balance to pay for the Blasket island, the yacht and the racehorses.

tim_sims

BaZmO* wrote: »

The protest marches that get the biggest turnouts are always those involving students and pensioners. #justsayin

except the goverment arent afraid of students

tim_sims

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

His initial "lowering of the threshold" was to take away medial cards from anyone who earned more than the weekly state pension. It was only when pressure was brought to bear on him that Lenihan changed his tune. Unfortunately we don't all have rich benefactors like Charlie Haughey who can organise a whip around for liver transplants for his old man and then pocket the balance to pay for the Blasket island, the yacht and the racehorses.

that is simply not true , the vast majority of those who marched would not have been effected by the proposed changes , the state contributory pension is 230 per week , the non contributory is 219 ( excluding all the other benefits like subsidised electricity , phone , heating etc ) , at no time were they going to take medical cards off those earning just above that basic rate , it was somewhere around 500 per week and a grand for a couple , they eventually rowed back to 36000 per year for a single person and seventy two thousand euro per anum for a couple

an obscenly high threshold when you consider the number of struggling young familys who have to pay 55 euro to bring their kids to the doctor , of course kids cant vote

RayM

tayto lover wrote: »

Most of them paid taxes all their lives and lived through many severe recessions. They also contributed to their pensions and are entitled to enjoy their final years without worrying about heating their homes or going hungry. In many cases they are also helping their redundant children with mortgages etc.

The non-contributory pension is €219. That's around €30 more than jobseekers benefit, illness benefit or disability allowance. There is no valid reason why pensioners should have been protected from cuts while other vulnerable groups weren't. Perhaps, if pensioners hadn't been pandered to by cowardly politicians, the cuts could have been spread more evenly.

Harry Angstrom

BaZmO* wrote: »

The protest marches that get the biggest turnouts are always those involving students and pensioners. #justsayin

So maybe the PAYE workers should organise themselves in a better fashion? How about organising a general strike instead of having a silly protest on a Saturday which means fcuk all, because most of our workers have a day off on Saturdays so our politicians take shyte all notice of it.
The only way they'll sit up and take notice is if our workers bring the economy to a standstill, but SIPTU would never agree to this because they slug from the same champagne bottle as their buddies in the Labour Party.

tim_sims

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

So maybe the PAYE workers should organise themselves in a better fashion? How about organising a general strike instead of having a silly protest on a Saturday which means fcuk all, because most of our workers have a day off on Saturdays so our politicians take shyte all notice of it.
The only way they'll sit up and take notice is if our workers bring the economy to a standstill, but SIPTU would never agree to this because they slug from the same champagne bottle as their buddies in the Labour Party.

every worker in the country could strike everyday for the next six months and it wouldnt change the fact that we are running a high deficit , seriously , it might make you feel good but vincent browne ( and clare dalys ) idea that hanging seanie fitz and taxing no one bar , politicans , denis o brien and the guy who carries his umbrella , would solve everything its a pipe dream

the property boom is over and with it the revenues it generated , wellfare and wages are still disproportionatley high to the level of income the country is earning , its only fair that all age groups make sacrafices

we simply cannot afford to keep paying tribute to ( the alledged ) greatest ever generation

Harry Angstrom

tim_sims wrote: »

that is simply not true , the vast majority of those who marched would not have been effected by the proposed changes , the state contributory pension is 230 per week , the non contributory is 219 ( excluding all the other benefits like subsidised electricity , phone , heating etc ) , at no time were they going to take medical cards off those earning just above that basic rate , it was somewhere around 500 per week and a grand for a couple , they eventually rowed back to 36000 per year for a single person and seventy two thousand euro per anum for a couple

an obscenly high threshold when you consider the number of struggling young familys who have to pay 55 euro to bring their kids to the doctor , of course kids cant vote

Lenihan's initial idea was to curtail medical cards for people earning just above the state pension. It was because he did it in such a cack-handed and ill-judged manner that sparked the ire of hundreds of thousands of old age pensioners. He was a typical politician living in his ivory tower. A case of "Do as we say, and not as we do".

tim_sims

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Lenihan's initial idea was to curtail medical cards for people earning just above the state pension. It was because he did it in such a cack-handed and ill-judged manner that sparked the ire of hundreds of thousands of old age pensioners. He was a typical politician living in his ivory tower. A case of "Do as we say, and not as we do".

just because you keep repeating a lie , dont make it true

pensioners like complaining and getting all rightous , no better lot but their were also other agendas at play

we have a great tradition of courting legacys of money in this country , many of the people at those medical card protests were people in their thirties , worried that their inheritance was going to be spent on pills and doctor bills for mammy and daddy

BaZmO*

tim_sims wrote: »

except the goverment arent afraid of students

That's because pensioners don't forget to vote, which goes back to my original point.

tim_sims

id lower the medical card threshold back to 450 per month for a single person and 900 for a couple , 700 and 1400 is too high

the goverment has no obligation to keep people wealthy in old age , if you desire this , start a private pension

as for the state pension , id lower it over time to 185 per week , its 102 pound per week in northern ireland and 170 for a couple , a husband and wife up there dont even recieve times two

Lady Chatterton

tim_sims wrote: »

just because you keep repeating a lie , dont make it true

pensioners like complaining and getting all rightous , no better lot but their were also other agendas at play

we have a great tradition of courting legacys of money in this country , many of the people at those medical card protests were people in their thirties , worried that their inheritance was going to be spent on pills and doctor bills for mammy and daddy

You're talking complete rubbish, lots of loaded and sweeping statements there :rolleyes:

Curly Judge

RayM wrote: »

The non-contributory pension is €219. That's around €30 more than jobseekers benefit, illness benefit or disability allowance. There is no valid reason why pensioners should have been protected from cuts while other vulnerable groups weren't. Perhaps, if pensioners hadn't been pandered to by cowardly politicians, the cuts could have been spread more evenly.

And across the Croke Park agreement as well presumably?