Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

Callan57

MrsD007 wrote: »

Yeah, I agree, they should have been invited to speak.

Last year, Ryan Tubridy invited a number of women on to the LLS to discuss their experiences of abortion, they all had abortions because their babies were incompatible with life. I know they had specifically asked to take part in the discussion this week but they were refused an opportunity.

Isn't that just typical ... forum given to "men in suits & collars" who never had and never will have any experience of the issue but no voice for women with direct experience & personal knowledge of the procedure.
I remember that Late Late & the women's stories was absolutely heartbreaking & they did everyone a service in bravely displayed the callousness and cruelty of our present set up in maternity hospitals.

Lady Chatterton

Callan57 wrote: »

Isn't that just typical ... forum given to "men in suits & collars" who never had and never will have any experience of the issue but no voice for women with direct experience & personal knowledge of the procedure.

I agree with you Callan on almost everything you've said.

However, I think it is unfair to say that men have never had or will never have direct experience of abortion. I'd say the husbands, partners, brothers and fathers of all the ladies who appeared on the LLS would have plenty to say.

I'm sure the husbands/partners were party to the difficult decision to terminate the pregnancy and travel to the UK and they experienced the same loss and grief as the ladies.

BaZmO*

MrsD007 wrote: »

I'm sure the husbands/partners were party to the difficult decision to terminate the pregnancy and travel to the UK and they experienced the same loss and grief as the ladies.

They don't tend to be priests though

Lady Chatterton

BaZmO* wrote: »

They don't tend to be priests though

Yes and that's why there have been many contributors from different walks of life, not just priests.

Callan57

MrsD007 wrote: »

I agree with you Callan on almost everything you've said.

However, I think it is unfair to say that men have never had or will never have direct experience of abortion. I'd say the husbands, partners, brothers and fathers of all the ladies who appeared on the LLS would have plenty to say.

I'm sure the husbands/partners were party to the difficult decision to terminate the pregnancy and travel to the UK and they experienced the same loss and grief as the ladies.

I beg to differ MrsD007, the reality is the husband/partner may be involved in the decision but they were not and never will be in the same position as the woman. Indeed if the possibility existed of the man being in the same position we wouldn't still be debating this issue IMHO. That's not to suggest that I have no compassion for the men involved.

BaZmO*

MrsD007 wrote: »

Yes and that's why there have been many contributors from different walks of life, not just priests.

Yeah but why priests? I know people over here "tick the box" when filling out the census, so from a technically point of the view the church represents a large portion of the population, but it shouldn't be a religious issue when legislating.

Considering so many people travel to the UK for abortions every year, did they have anybody from those clinics present at the discussion?

Lady Chatterton

Callan57 wrote: »

I beg to differ MrsD007, the reality is the husband/partner may be involved in the decision but they were not and never will be in the same position as the woman. Indeed if the possibility existed of the man being in the same position we wouldn't still be debating this issue IMHO. That's not to suggest that I have no compassion for the men involved.

Yes, men can't carry children so it's obvious that they can't have an abortion. However, they're still fathers so I feel that they have every right to contribute to the debate and relay their experiences.

Just because someone can't physically experience something doesn't meant they can't understand or become distressed by a process. My husband didn't deliver our child but he was there for every minute of a very long and very difficult labour and God forbid if something had gone wrong, his grief would have been exactly the same as mine.

Lady Chatterton

BaZmO* wrote: »

Considering so many people travel to the UK for abortions every year, did they have anybody from those clinics present at the discussion?

No, they didn't have anyone present from the UK Clinics. You make a good point, they could provide alot of valuable information.

BaZmO*

MrsD007 wrote: »

No, they didn't have anyone present from the UK Clinics. You make a good point, they could provide alot of valuable information.

I suppose that'd be some sort of admission that we do actually have abortion (by proxy) in Ireland.

Lady Chatterton

BaZmO* wrote: »

I suppose that'd be some sort of admission that we do actually have abortion (by proxy) in Ireland.

I thought that was a given.

Callan57

MrsD007 wrote: »

Yes, men can't carry children so it's obvious that they can't have an abortion. However, they're still fathers so I feel that they have every right to contribute to the debate and relay their experiences.

Just because someone can't physically experience something doesn't meant they can't understand or become distressed by a process. My husband didn't deliver our child but he was there for every minute of a very long and very difficult labour and God forbid if something had gone wrong, his grief would have been exactly the same as mine.

Indeed, but at no point in the process was his life ever going to be in any way at risk ... that is my point. (The difference between involved & committed!)

Lady Chatterton

Callan57 wrote: »

Indeed, but at no point in the process was his life ever going to be in any way at risk ... that is my point. (The difference between involved & committed!)

I understand the point but in your earlier post you appeared to be dismissive of male contributions to the debate and I was merely pointing out that they have a vested interest in this process as fathers and partners.

I'm sure that no man wants to lose his wife/partner during pregnancy/miscarriage etc.

alan partridge aha

I'm against capital punishment, however I'm sure if members of my family were murdered by someone I'd be all for it. I would have a biased view on it drawing from my experience of the event.
This is not always good when making decisions as important as this one as one has to have a balanced view rather than a biased no matter how tragic.

BlaasForRafa

MrsD007 wrote: »

Yes and that's why there have been many contributors from different walks of life, not just priests.

There shouldn't be any priests involved. We know their stance, they care about every little sperm and egg and foetus but they don't really give a crap about women when it comes down to it.

jjf1974

vinny smiles as he gets a dig at enda even before the show starts!

Skid

Richie Boyd Barrett's 'National Stoppage' sounds ill conceived.

Vincent saw right through it.

tayto lover

Another Fine Gael unknown wheeled out tonight I see.

tayto lover

Skid wrote: »

Richie Boyd Barrett's 'National Stoppage' sounds ill conceived.

Vincent saw right through it.

Ill conceived but it might just come to pass with the level of anger at all these new taxes being imposed on the middle class who are now on the breadline.

Skid

tayto lover wrote: »

Ill conceived but it might just come to pass with the level of anger at all these new taxes being imposed on the middle class who are now on the breadline.

But does he mean a National Strike?

People employed in the Private Sector clinging onto their jobs won't do that.

I think they would have more support for a non payment of the Property Tax Campaign.

Going Forward

The hair dye mixture should have been calibrated.

AK333

Who thought rolling out this Fine Gael TD would be a good idea? He's a dithering eegit and you're right, the dye job is dire

Good loser

AK333 wrote: »

Who thought rolling out this Fine Gael TD would be a good idea? He's a dithering eegit and you're right, the dye job is dire

Doyle speaks sense - just pay attention.

Contrast Barrett's rubbish. He would crash the economy to satisfy his monstrous ego.

JonathanAnon

That Andrew Doyle fella reminds me of Clay Shaw, the only man ever put on trial for the assassination of JFK, (given that Oswald was assassinated before his trial)..

awaywithyou

does vincent always have to have a fine looking woman on the show.... not that im complaining!!

AK333

Good loser wrote: »

Doyle speaks sense - just pay attention.

Contrast Barrett's rubbish. He would crash the economy to satisfy his monstrous ego.

Dont be so rude - I'm not advocating Boyd Barrett's nationwide strike - it won't happen and I don't agree with closing down businesses in this fashion. However, the point I was trying to make, if you were paying attention, was that the TD Fine Gael rolled out does not look or sound media savvy and is coming across as a dithering eegit.

Min

I usually criticise RBB, his shirt when close up looks quite nice.

JonathanAnon

How come they dont mention the fact that the heads of the unions, who are supposedly socialists, earn MORE than TDs... Hypocrites of the highest order... The unions WERE set up to protect the rights of the working man Richard, but they have evolved in to a lobby group who blackmail the Government and threaten strikes to get what they want. Fairness is not a concern. They defend the poorest of the workers as if he were the best, and defend conditions/allowances/benefits that would have James Connolly rolling in his grave..

Bullseye1

Good loser wrote: »

Doyle speaks sense - just pay attention.

Contrast Barrett's rubbish. He would crash the economy to satisfy his monstrous ego.

I agree Barrett speaks alot of nonsense but he speaks the truth with regards what is left in people's pockets.

I'd like to hear where Doyle has ever spoken sense. It looks like he spends alot of time under a sun bed....or more likely abroad.

Bullseye1

I bet Doyle wAs delighted he didn't have to explain why his party is in go efnment with "those" workers party members LOL.

Skid

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I agree Barrett speaks alot of nonsense but he speaks the truth with regards what is left in people's pockets.

I'd like to hear where Doyle has ever spoken sense. It looks like he spends alot of time under a sun bed....or more likely abroad.

No

A number of comments have been made about his sun-kissed like complexion, with The Sun' newspaper even making a play of the situation by referring to him as the dark horse.' However, far from a lover of the sun, his complexion is actually the result of an operation he had after he was diagnosed with Kosheen disease.

The disease results in over-active adrenal glands and the operation 17 years ago affected the pigmentation in Andrew's skin.

http://www.braypeople.ie/news/popular-roundwood-mans-eyes-still-light-up-at-the-thought-of-his-year-playing-rugby-in-new-zealand-farming-football-rugby-and-family-the-loves-of-doyles-life-699570.html