Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

nudger

artful_codger wrote: »

Socialist in 'spend other peoples money as a solution' shocker!


meanwhile down at Croke Park....

So your mother was from Kenya but you say your father's from Dublin, did you ever play rugby.

Plautus

ahal wrote: »

Note how vexed our Vinny got, not once but twice, at the headline in one of the papers about 2,000 refugees doing a legger instead of being deported. I suppose the paper in question have a 'racist agenda' :rolleyes:

Well, asylum issues are notoriously badly reported by the media who hardly draped themselves in glory by putting out stories about asylum seekers being given free apartments, cars and mobile phones in the late 90s. All of which is complete bunkum if you've ever had to deal with people who stay in the direct provision centres (pretty horrible experience by all accounts, on 19.10 a week from the government.)

Quite what does it mean that 2,000 have done 'a legger'? Voluntarily left the state? Presumed to have left, not having notified the Department of Justice? It doesn't speak for the validity of each of those cases at the time they were put in train.

ahal

Plautus wrote: »

Well, asylum issues are notoriously badly reported by the media who hardly draped themselves in glory by putting out stories about asylum seekers being given free apartments, cars and mobile phones in the late 90s. All of which is complete bunkum if you've ever had to deal with people who stay in the direct provision centres (pretty horrible experience by all accounts, on 19.10 a week from the government.)

Quite what does it mean that 2,000 have done 'a legger'? Voluntarily left the state? Presumed to have left, not having notified the Department of Justice? It doesn't speak for the validity of each of those cases at the time they were put in train.

As it happens I worked in one for 5 years. Funnily enough, my experience would suggest that your denials are in fact bunkum. The place where I worked was so "horrible" that we'd quite a job getting some people to leave. As regards reportage, I would agree that the media reporting that a "Romanian" for example committed a robbery when in fact they mean "Roma" but can't say it for fear of being lambasted by do - gooders (thereby insulting by association an entire race of people who are generally well behaved) is bad reportage.

Regarding the rest, I would be lying if I said it wasn't familiar to me based on my experience; I'm not sure about the free cars though. If you mean driving around with no tax or insurance with impunity, yes that was a big one. I did witness several social workers buying DVD players alright, and yes, several families were jumped to the top of the que re: housing.

Regarding the 2,000 doing a runner, well, I somehow think that anyone leaving would in fact go out of their way to inform the authorities in order to be seen to be doing the 'right thing' in order to keep their record(s) clean, don't you?

The fact is that the vast majority of asylum seekers in this country are economic migrants. It was a splurge up until around 2005, and then the economic bit got majorly corrected. If someone is genuinely fleeing persecution / possible death (which a minority are) then money isn't the issue. Having a safe roof over their heads and something to eat is. Stop denigrating the needs of this minority with such nonsense.

Plautus

As it happens I worked in one for 5 years. Funnily enough, my experience would suggest that your denials are in fact bunkum. The place where I worked was so "horrible" that we'd quite a job getting some people to leave.

I can only speak for such centres in Cork and the surrounding area, but they're pretty bad. What am I denying? Reports commissioned by NGOs, interviewing asylum seekers are about as reliable as your claims from the other side, and they seem to reveal an extensive pattern of bullying (by both residents and those in charge) and poor provision of facilities.

Mental health outcomes amongst those in direct provision are far worse. Again, not saying that this was the case where you were working, but Fianna Fail was notorious for giving out the contracts for running direct provision centres to cronies that couldn't give a fig about the asylum seekers.

There would be a lot of information here on what I'm talking about.
http://www.nascireland.org/#/direct-provision-articles/4543432506

I would agree that the media reporting that a "Romanian" for example committed a robbery when in fact they mean "Roma" but can't say it for fear of being lambasted by do - gooders (thereby insulting by association an entire race of people who are generally well behaved) is bad reportage.

The media in this country isn't afraid of naming minorities at all. The Mail, Star, Sun, Independent etc. at least. e.g. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/roma-double-murderer-to-be-kicked-out-of-country-2940193.html

Doing good isn't a bad mark against someone, by the way, and I hate the way that's used as an insult

Social workers buying DVD players with their own money or government money? Only Community Welfare Officers have access to funds for 'discretionary' payments.

And money is an issue when it's a grand total of 19.10 a week and they must fund the transport costs up to Dublin (where all the offices processing their claims are based) out of that money. They have no choice in which centre they are sent to. I don't imagine you provide clothes, toys for children or pay phone bills (nor should you have to.)

Yes, there are bogus asylum claims. However, you have to operate the system on a case by case basis. It's the only fair way not to prejudice against genuine claimants.

tayto lover

Lapin wrote: »

Things are looking up.

Bloody missed her. Out for Christmas drinks. Would have preferred to have been at home with Karen.

JonathanAnon

started early tonight people.. caught me on the hop as well..

Plautus

Shotgun Willie front and center. This could be a laugh ...

Lady Chatterton

I used to fancy Peter Matthews rotten, I thought he had a touch of Richard Gere about him. However, when I heard him "singing" on a charity single a few weeks ago, I went straight off him

Lapin

Peter Matthews asking Willie O'Dea what suggestions he has to deal with the economic crisis.

After 14 years of Fianna Fail getting us into this mess, I'd prefer not to hear what suggestions they have for getting us out of it.

tayto lover

Why are useless failed politicians asked for advice? Beats me.

pierrot

rubbish rubbish rubbish!

tayto lover

pierrot wrote: »

rubbish rubbish rubbish!

Yes indeed. No Karen tonight. I will miss her.

Plautus

Aand ... Vincent is off! Full haranguing mode engaged.

Lapin

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes indeed. No Karen tonight. I will miss her.

I have to say - She looked damn good in that red dress last night.

Plautus

Well, here comes Willie O'Dea's mortal embarrassment ...

tayto lover

Lapin wrote: »

I have to say - She looked damn good in that red dress last night.

She'd look nicer out of it.

JonathanAnon

"Did you bring the gun with you tonight?"

lol

Lapin

If Willie had the gun with him tonight he'd have used it by now.

pierrot

"Did I interrupt you, and if I didn't, why?":D

Plautus

Ah **** off RBB. Trust him to jump from an exaggerated Mario Sketch to 'the ECB being compared to Adolf Hitler isn't far off the mark' ...

Plautus

Vincent has just destroyed the left wing with one lick of the tongue tonight ... wow.

pixelburp

You know, sometimes I tire of the left-wing, if only because they come across as such an overly-sincere, pious, humourless bunch. Boyd-Barrett trying to pull some Hitler parallel in the current EU set-up, based on a light-hearted Marios sketch is just ... ... god where do you begin to describe it...

nudger

RBB not feeling the love tonight.

artful_codger

the left (labour and the unions) aren't out protesting because FF already gave them everything they want - job protection, pay protection and pension protection.

JonathanAnon

"The people who should have analysed this problem have failed us"..

I wouldnt worry about it now Peter... Kevin Cardiff is on the job now, nothing will slip by him...

Plautus

Hehe. 'Your perception of the amount of money you can get from taxation is what's cloud cuckoo land (Richard)'

take everything

How can anyone take anything Willie O' Dea says seriously.

ahal

It's only right ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeB3z-92mPw

M cebee

The lack of talent on the show tonite is depressing

Lapin

Limerick - A kip?

No