Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

seananigans

Mountainlad wrote: »

Should the transition be over? Given we've just lost our best player, another who was man of the match twice last year in 3 games and another who was considered to be one of the best prospects in the County after the 2009 minor win that statement is in doubt.

Imagine Kilkenny losing Shefflin, Walsh and Buckley, Tipp losing Paudie Maher, Bonner Maher and Brian O Meara. It would have a significant impact on them. Now, imagine teams more our level like Galway losing Joe Canning, Johnny Coen and Niall Burke, Limerick losing Donal O Grady, Hannon and Dowling and Clare losing Conlon, McGrath and Tony Kelly. Where would they be?

I'd question that Davy did a 'clean sweep' as well. 9 players that started the 2011 Munster semi (against Tipp) started in the 2012 Munster semi (against us), Honan would have started last year but was injured. Fergal Lynch came on, and Colin Ryan who started last year came on in 2011 and has been on the team since 2009. They have also won 2 all-ireland u21 titles since 2009, and won two minor Munsters in that time as well. So any manager with any credibility would automatically be looking to those players, especially in Clare where there is a serious lack of established Senior player. Bookies odds mean nothing, and cannot be taken as a sign that a team is progressing well.

I'd be very cautious about any assessment of the team right now.

I never said we were a great team right now, I merely said there is a great opportunity.

Anytime Waterford had a good streak,we ran up against a period of dominance of another team. If lightning were to strike, there is no time like the present

There is a real opportunity for Waterford ,Cork ,Clare and Galway that there wasn't n previous years.

Time willl tell if it is taken.

Straight Talker

seananigans wrote: »

I never said we were a great team right now, I merely said there is a great opportunity.

Anytime Waterford had a good streak,we ran up against a period of dominance of another team. If lightning were to strike, there is no time like the present

There is a real opportunity for Waterford ,Cork ,Clare and Galway that there wasn't n previous years.

Time willl tell if it is taken.

That's true but i think Galway are well ahead of Cork Waterford Clare etc.They had the winning of the all ireland the first day in the final but they got too defensive and tried to hold onto the lead in the second half.The replay turned on a missed goal chance and a sending off.Galway were well in the game up to that point.

seananigans

Straight Talker wrote: »

That's true but i think Galway are well ahead of Cork Waterford Clare etc.They had the winning of the all ireland the first day in the final but they got too defensive and tried to hold onto the lead in the second half.The replay turned on a missed goal chance and a sending off.Galway were well in the game up to that point.

Galway have habitually followed a good year with a bad one ,so they will need to break a habit of a lifetime to continue.

That being said ,I believe they can do it,but until i see some league form wouldn't be sure.

I think we could have a late- 90's style spell coming soon if we are really lucky.

Anything to break the monotony of KK,KK ,KK Tipp KK,KK,KK

Straight Talker

seananigans wrote: »

Galway have habitually followed a good year with a bad one ,so they will need to break a habit of a lifetime to continue.

That being said ,I believe they can do it,but until i see some league form wouldn't be sure.

I think we could have a late- 90's style spell coming soon if we are really lucky.

Anything to break the monotony of KK,KK ,KK Tipp KK,KK,KK

This will probably be dismissed as typical Cork arrogance ! but here is an excerpt from an interview with Cork panel member Stephen White in one of the papers today.

Being from Cork every time any of us put on the jersey we all think we are going to win no matter who we are playing and that includes Tipp on saturday night because as much as we respect them we also believe in our own ability to overcome them.I as a Cork man do not believe in fearing any other county and this current group of players has no baggage from the past of having to take these teams on and lose either.The attitude we have this year and the attitude Jimmy and the rest of the management brings to the panel is that we have the ability and belief to beat absolutely any team that stands in our way.

Now i think Cork are far from the finished article but it's nice to see that the belief is there.The days of Waterford being beaten by a team before the throw in are long gone too with the exception of maybe Kilkenny in recent times.Young players coming through in Waterford now have no fears of Cork and Tipp.If the players have the confidence and belief then that's half the battle already covered.

Mountainlad

It depends on the draw, but I doubt Galway will reach the heights of last year. The only way I'd see them being back in the All-Ireland final is simple by lack of competition. But I think Tipp are the team to challenge Kilkenny this year. Would love if I was wrong and somebody else came along. I don't like Davy, but I certainly wouldn't begrudge the people of Clare their day if they stepped up to the mark this year.

I do believe the championship is getting really competitive, and the year will come where it's hard to call, but I think we still might be a few years away as teams like Limerick, Galway, Clare and Cork (if there's going to be a resurrgance) are still a bit green. As for ourselves, I think we're in the same boat as Cork but probably with more young players coming through, but I think in terms of developing that talent we may be slightly behind Galway and Limerick. Clare have the best young players in the Country, but they still only won one game last year in the championship (same as ourselves). They have a better platform to work from this year so it'll be interesting to see how they progress.

mccarthy37

My big worry for our match against Clare next Sunday is the hiding we took from Clare at under 21 in Ennis last year. WE also lost heavily to Tip in minor. Now we taught we had plenty of talent on these panels at the start of last year. These are the players of the future for Waterford and its very hard to see how they will turn these poor results around as some of them don the senior jersey this year. With all the good work that's being done at school level it doesn't seem to be following through. All through the noughties we moulded a senior team from underage that never achieved much. But still we never won the big prize. Great win for WIT today it might trickle down to the lads for Sunday. Here's hoping for a good match that will hold us all in our seats for the full 70 minutes and banish the memory of last year at the same venue. Best of luck to Dungarvan Colleges for Sunday also in another tough match to call.

Straight Talker

Mountainlad wrote: »

It depends on the draw, but I doubt Galway will reach the heights of last year. The only way I'd see them being back in the All-Ireland final is simple by lack of competition. But I think Tipp are the team to challenge Kilkenny this year. Would love if I was wrong and somebody else came along. I don't like Davy, but I certainly wouldn't begrudge the people of Clare their day if they stepped up to the mark this year.

I do believe the championship is getting really competitive, and the year will come where it's hard to call, but I think we still might be a few years away as teams like Limerick, Galway, Clare and Cork (if there's going to be a resurrgance) are still a bit green. As for ourselves, I think we're in the same boat as Cork but probably with more young players coming through, but I think in terms of developing that talent we may be slightly behind Galway and Limerick. Clare have the best young players in the Country, but they still only won one game last year in the championship (same as ourselves). They have a better platform to work from this year so it'll be interesting to see how they progress.

If Galway can improve on last year then they will be in a very strong position to challenge.They put it up to Kilkenny three times last year and the replay of the all ireland final changed course after a sending off.As for ourselves i think the hurlers are in Cork but due to politics in the county board the hurling talent is not being developed properly for instance there's promising players coming through like Conor Lehane and Jamie Coughlan etc but they were poorly coached going up through the underage ranks.Realistically the all ireland is between Kilkenny Tipp and Galway but munster is very open.I wouldn't write off Waterfords chances of winning munster at all and Waterfords league game with Cork could be a relegation decider.

Straight Talker

mccarthy37 wrote: »

My big worry for our match against Clare next Sunday is the hiding we took from Clare at under 21 in Ennis last year. WE also lost heavily to Tip in minor. Now we taught we had plenty of talent on these panels at the start of last year. These are the players of the future for Waterford and its very hard to see how they will turn these poor results around as some of them don the senior jersey this year. With all the good work that's being done at school level it doesn't seem to be following through. All through the noughties we moulded a senior team from underage that never achieved much. But still we never won the big prize. Great win for WIT today it might trickle down to the lads for Sunday. Here's hoping for a good match that will hold us all in our seats for the full 70 minutes and banish the memory of last year at the same venue. Best of luck to Dungarvan Colleges for Sunday also in another tough match to call.

Wasn't Waterfords resurgence as a hurling power based on the minor team that got to an all ireland final in 1992 and the u21 team that won an all ireland that same year.

Giveitfong

The only players from those two teams to make a substantial contribution to the Waterford hurling renaissance were Paul Flynn and Tom Feeney from the minor team and Tony Browne and Fergal Hartley from the Under 21s. If Johnny Brenner and Growler Daly hadn't dropped out we could have been really serious contenders. Joxer O'Connor wasn't good enough and Anthony Kirwan made a few appearances and that was about it.

mccarthy37

Straight Talker wrote: »

Wasn't Waterfords resurgence as a hurling power based on the minor team that got to an all ireland final in 1992 and the u21 team that won an all ireland that same year.

Eoin Kelly, John Mullane, Dan Shanaan, Ken McGrath. Eoin Murphy, Eoin McGrath Brick Walsh, Sheamus Pendergast, none of these players won even a minor Munster title. Our first Senior Munster Title in 39 yrs was in 2002 ten years after the under 21 All Ireland. You are right though it lit the spark for what came after but you have to admit this was quite a gap and still some great player came through to play senior without ever achieving much at underage. Still though you cant beat winning titles at underage to have the confidence to go on and win at senior.

robopaddy

Fancy tipp to bate the cats this year. Theyll be hurting after last year and they have the players to turn it around. Dont see galway repeating last years exploits. Cork i think are gonners. Staring relegation in the face and could be looking at christy ring status in a couple years. The talent just isnt there anymore and expect a few more hurlers to turn to the big ball in order to get success

hardybuck

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Eoin Kelly, John Mullane, Dan Shanaan, Ken McGrath. Eoin Murphy, Eoin McGrath Brick Walsh, Sheamus Pendergast, none of these players won even a minor Munster title. Our first Senior Munster Title in 39 yrs was in 2002 ten years after the under 21 All Ireland. You are right though it lit the spark for what came after but you have to admit this was quite a gap and still some great player came through to play senior without ever achieving much at underage. Still though you cant beat winning titles at underage to have the confidence to go on and win at senior.

I wonder how many of those you've mentioned had even won a game at minor or U21 level. Don't forget how appalling the underage hurling record was.

Mountainlad

robopaddy wrote: »

Fancy tipp to bate the cats this year. Theyll be hurting after last year and they have the players to turn it around. Dont see galway repeating last years exploits. Cork i think are gonners. Staring relegation in the face and could be looking at christy ring status in a couple years. The talent just isnt there anymore and expect a few more hurlers to turn to the big ball in order to get success

Never gonna happen.

hardybuck

alllcounty wrote: »

Anyway congrats to WIT on their 4 point win over LIT today. UCD also beat UL so looks like Eamon Creegan's Mary I is the last limerick college left in the competition. It would be a boost to the county if WIT were to go all the way with so many waterford players on the team. I remember a time not all that long ago when WIT never had a waterford player on the starting 15 back in the early noughties when they were wining fitzgibbons and now they have 9 or 10 on the starting team so it bodes well for the future.

I think the lack of Waterford players playing with WIT was more down to how few of our players in that era actually went to third level at all. Few enough if you look back at them.

WIT have Mary I in the semi now, and must be favourites to win that.

Mountainlad

hardybuck wrote: »

I wonder how many of those you've mentioned had even won a game at minor or U21 level. Don't forget how appalling the underage hurling record was.

Fairly sure Mullane and Kelly were on the u21 team that bet Tipp in Thurles in 2000. Also, we reached three Minor finals in a row between 94-96 as far as I know. Ken would have been on one of thos for sure along with Dan Im sure.

hardybuck

Mountainlad wrote: »

Fairly sure Mullane and Kelly were on the u21 team that bet Tipp in Thurles in 2000. Also, we reached three Minor finals in a row between 94-96 as far as I know. Ken would have been on one of thos for sure along with Dan Im sure.

Fair enough. I remember an extremely bleak period, the guts of a decade or more, where the minors and U21's were just being beaten in the first round every year.

I'm sure there is someone with memory far better than mine who can chart that period.

Black Suir

Mountainlad wrote: »

Fairly sure Mullane and Kelly were on the u21 team that bet Tipp in Thurles in 2000. Also, we reached three Minor finals in a row between 94-96 as far as I know. Ken would have been on one of thos for sure along with Dan Im sure.

Ken was there in '96. He had a great game against Clare in Bansha. It was the night that Waterford had a Sub keeper ready to go on. He was warming up for much of the second half but never went on. These were the days I think you could only use three subs, and I dont think any selector would think of changing a keeper during a game unless they had to. There must be something wrong with the keeper that night. I think he was from Mount Sion/Roanmore or Passage. However he did not come off. Whether it was the case he would not come off or the selectors were taking a gamble on him and only had the sub keeper warm up as a just in case.

Mountainlad

Just looked at Clare's team from the Crystal Cup final and there's no doubt about it but that they will be fielding a strong team. Honan will probably start, and I'd say Conlon who wasn't involved that day will come in too as they look to strengthen even more.

We will field the strongest team available to us. I think the backline is pretty certain barring injuries in terms of who will be there for the championship. Personnel between the half foward line and midfield is between 7 at most I reckon. The corner forward spots are where most of the uncertainty lies as there are 6 players battling for two spots. Management will name the strongest team available to them in their opinion for now on Sunday, which may change by the time championship roles round. Maurice Shanahan is the only player out as far as I'm aware. I'm gonna make a prediction that 13 of Sunday's team will start against Clare in the championship, provided all 15 are fit.

With all this in consideration, I reckon it's going to be a good game on Sunday, or at least a good contest.

thesultan

Match is deferred on Sunday on TG4

skaface

For those unable to travel to Ennis, i see it is advertised as the deferred game
on TG4 on Sunday.

seananigans

Lads to the Dublin supporters club run buses down ton matches or the like.

not sure if i'll be able to head form Dubland sunday,but need to explore my options, havent seen a game live since munstyer final 2011 :-(

the curse of emigration.

Hidalgo

mccarthy37 wrote: »

My big worry for our match against Clare next Sunday is the hiding we took from Clare at under 21 in Ennis last year. WE also lost heavily to Tip in minor. Now we taught we had plenty of talent on these panels at the start of last year. These are the players of the future for Waterford and its very hard to see how they will turn these poor results around as some of them don the senior jersey this year. With all the good work that's being done at school level it doesn't seem to be following through. All through the noughties we moulded a senior team from underage that never achieved much. But still we never won the big prize. Great win for WIT today it might trickle down to the lads for Sunday. Here's hoping for a good match that will hold us all in our seats for the full 70 minutes and banish the memory of last year at the same venue. Best of luck to Dungarvan Colleges for Sunday also in another tough match to call.

I was surprised at how 1 sided the U21 game was in Ennis last year. clare, I expected to be very good but I expected a lot more from Waterford considering they met in back to back Munster finals at minor grade.

Hidalgo

Mountainlad wrote: »

Just looked at Clare's team from the Crystal Cup final and there's no doubt about it but that they will be fielding a strong team. Honan will probably start, and I'd say Conlon who wasn't involved that day will come in too as they look to strengthen even more.

We will field the strongest team available to us. I think the backline is pretty certain barring injuries in terms of who will be there for the championship. Personnel between the half foward line and midfield is between 7 at most I reckon. The corner forward spots are where most of the uncertainty lies as there are 6 players battling for two spots. Management will name the strongest team available to them in their opinion for now on Sunday, which may change by the time championship roles round. Maurice Shanahan is the only player out as far as I'm aware. I'm gonna make a prediction that 13 of Sunday's team will start against Clare in the championship, provided all 15 are fit.

With all this in consideration, I reckon it's going to be a good game on Sunday, or at least a good contest.

Don't think Honan will start, I think yesterdays Fitzgibbon QF was his first start of the year.
Conlon will start, Nicky O Connell is a doubt. Conor McGrath out for most of the league, a big loss up front

Full back line is an area Waterford should be targeting imo. Cian Dillon is out for most of the league so James Mac in at 3, last years U21 full back could make his debut in the corner, David McInerney.

Straight Talker

robopaddy wrote: »

Fancy tipp to bate the cats this year. Theyll be hurting after last year and they have the players to turn it around. Dont see galway repeating last years exploits. Cork i think are gonners. Staring relegation in the face and could be looking at christy ring status in a couple years. The talent just isnt there anymore and expect a few more hurlers to turn to the big ball in order to get success

Don't you worry about us robopaddy we'll be back sooner rather than later.The hurlers are in Cork they just need a bit of confidence and no better man than JBM to do that.Cork headed for the Christy Ring cup there's too much passion for hurling and a tradition of hurling in Cork for that to happen.As for you're remarks about the big ball i'd say Cads and Aidan Walsh etc won't be long giving up the football if Conor Counihan persists with the sideways basketball game.:D

Mountainlad

seananigans wrote: »

Lads to the Dublin supporters club run buses down ton matches or the like.

not sure if i'll be able to head form Dubland sunday,but need to explore my options, havent seen a game live since munstyer final 2011 :-(

the curse of emigration.

I'd say you weren't the only one that emigrated after that match :P

Hidalgo wrote: »

Don't think Honan will start, I think yesterdays Fitzgibbon QF was his first start of the year.
Conlon will start, Nicky O Connell is a doubt. Conor McGrath out for most of the league, a big loss up front

Full back line is an area Waterford should be targeting imo. Cian Dillon is out for most of the league so James Mac in at 3, last years U21 full back could make his debut in the corner, David McInerney.

Maybe, but he came on in the Crystal cup. It is the league like, not the championship so he's only missed a month and had at least two weeks to recover.

Conor McGrath's absence is definitely the big plus for us. Having said that Maurice was very effective last year in the league.

Our two corner forwards will be young and inexperienced. Reckon it will be Brian O'Sullivan and Jake Dillon (who has yet to start a competitive game for Waterford so I think Shane Walsh will be pivotal for us, though I guess that was always going to be the case with Mullane gone.

seananigans

Mountainlad wrote: »

I'd say you weren't the only one that emigrated after that match :P

It was worse than that again, I framed a trip home around the tall ships and the match.

In hindsight,wished i'd swopped weekends and gone to see 50 feckin cent

Hidalgo

Mountainlad wrote: »

I'd say you weren't the only one that emigrated after that match :P



Maybe, but he came on in the Crystal cup. It is the league like, not the championship so he's only missed a month and had at least two weeks to recover.

Conor McGrath's absence is definitely the big plus for us. Having said that Maurice was very effective last year in the league.

Our two corner forwards will be young and inexperienced. Reckon it will be Brian O'Sullivan and Jake Dillon (who has yet to start a competitive game for Waterford so I think Shane Walsh will be pivotal for us, though I guess that was always going to be the case with Mullane gone.

Shane Walsh will really have to carry the inside line, which I think he's capable of. It'll be interesting to see how Jake Dillon gets on, always thought he was impressive under age.

If Honan isn't fit enough to last the full game, I think he could be more dangerous if sprung from the bench in the last quarter of an hour if the game has opened up and he has space to gallop

(is Eamon Murphy on the senior panel, he came on for UL in the Fitzgibbon QF yesterday

Mountainlad

Hidalgo wrote: »

Shane Walsh will really have to carry the inside line, which I think he's capable of. It'll be interesting to see how Jake Dillon gets on, always thought he was impressive under age.

If Honan isn't fit enough to last the full game, I think he could be more dangerous if sprung from the bench in the last quarter of an hour if the game has opened up and he has space to gallop

(is Eamon Murphy on the senior panel, he came on for UL in the Fitzgibbon QF yesterday

Yeah he's well capable alright.

True enough I guess, always good to have an impact sub.

He wasn't on the original panel, scored 4 points against Waterford in the crystal cup when we lost to UL though. Haven't seen any mention of him though from subsequent challenge games though. He's a player that has great pace and could do damage but would need a lot of coaching, even just watching him last year for the intermediates he ran into the corner way too often. Wasn't too surprised he wasn't starting for UL, and to be honest if your not starting on the college team your not good enough to be featuring for a County team, though maybe he should be on the panel.

Straight Talker

There's two good articles here although the second one has nothing to do with Waterford i decided to link it anyway because it was very well put together.

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/waterford-hurling-a-season-preview-for-2013/

http://www.livegaelic.com/features/cork-hurling-the-jbm-era-so-far/

Deise Hurler

Black Suir wrote: »

Ken was there in '96. He had a great game against Clare in Bansha. It was the night that Waterford had a Sub keeper ready to go on. He was warming up for much of the second half but never went on. These were the days I think you could only use three subs, and I dont think any selector would think of changing a keeper during a game unless they had to. There must be something wrong with the keeper that night. I think he was from Mount Sion/Roanmore or Passage. However he did not come off. Whether it was the case he would not come off or the selectors were taking a gamble on him and only had the sub keeper warm up as a just in case.

Team in 96 had trevor flynn and brendan landers as goalies. Trevor Flynn played with Mount Sion at the time and later on he transferred to Roanmore. Eoin Murphy and James Murray would have also been on that team as well as Ken of course.

robopaddy

is der any chance of eoin murphy coming back? wat a player he was. still going strong scored abt 20 points for WIT der yesterday

Mountainlad

robopaddy wrote: »

is der any chance of eoin murphy coming back? wat a player he was. still going strong scored abt 20 points for WIT der yesterday

That lad is a Kilkenny hurler, and he scored 8, with 6 from frees.

KevIRL

From Hoganstand. Clare with a few injury probs ahead of Sunday

Clare have an injury crisis on their hands as the national hurling league looms.

The Banner County open their Division 1A campaign against manager Davy Fitzgerald's former charges Waterford at Ennis this weekend and will be without five key men.

Former captain Brian O'Connell, Cian Dillon, Nicky O'Connell, Conor McGrath and Darach Honan will all miss out on the game, which is a dress rehearsal for this summer's Munster SHC meeting of the same two teams.

glick6

Well. Bring on some decent competitive hurling. Cannot wait for Sunday and I hope we get a decent crowd travelling.

I have heard about a couple of injuries that will probably affect Sunday.

Eamonn Murphy is on the panel, yes, for those asking.

The team that I would like to see on Sunday, having been to most of the inter county and college games so far would be...

O'Keefe
Daniels
Lawlor
Connors
Nagle
Brick
Darragh Fives
O'Sullivan
Moran
Brian O'Halloran
Seamus
Pauric Mahony
Brian O'Sullivan
Martin O'Neill
Jake Dillon

I think from 1-9 very, very strong. In the front we have players who will want to prove a point for numerous different reasons. Watch for the big man going in full forward at some stage. Been very good at full forward on a couple of the challenge games.

alllcounty

Hidalgo wrote: »

I was surprised at how 1 sided the U21 game was in Ennis last year. clare, I expected to be very good but I expected a lot more from Waterford considering they met in back to back Munster finals at minor grade.

The main reason why there was a gulf in performance between the two sides last year at U21 is due to the two different policies the county board of either county chose when selecting management for this grade. The management team that oversaw the two Clare minor teams that won munster in 2010 and 2011 were appointed as the management team for the U21 in 2012. The progress the management made with these players when they were minor was continued at U21.

However in Waterford the county board would not do this as they usually fall out with the minor management every year no matter who is there and so the same management is never appointed at U21. End result is a whole new management team is appointed at U21 who never oversaw the development of players from underage and so no commitment or loyalty between the players or management team exist. The waterford county board have repeated the same mistake again this year and I think we should consider given ye a walkover to save us the embarrassment of another humiliating defeat.

HillFarmer

glick6 wrote: »

Well. Bring on some decent competitive hurling. Cannot wait for Sunday and I hope we get a decent crowd travelling.

I have heard about a couple of injuries that will probably affect Sunday.

Eamonn Murphy is on the panel, yes, for those asking.

The team that I would like to see on Sunday, having been to most of the inter county and college games so far would be...

O'Keefe
Daniels
Lawlor
Connors
Nagle
Brick
Darragh Fives
O'Sullivan
Moran
Brian O'Halloran
Seamus
Pauric Mahony
Brian O'Sullivan
Martin O'Neill
Jake Dillon

I think from 1-9 very, very strong. In the front we have players who will want to prove a point for numerous different reasons. Watch for the big man going in full forward at some stage. Been very good at full forward on a couple of the challenge games.

Any word on Waterford's injuries?

seananigans

Do we get the teasmsheet tonight?

solarith

seananigans wrote: »

Do we get the teasmsheet tonight?

It's being announced around 8.30PM according to @waterfordgaa

seananigans

solarith wrote: »

It's being announced around 8.30PM according to @waterfordgaa

Just up

WD v CE - O'Keeffe,S. Fives,Lawlor,Connors,Nagle,Walsh, Moran, S. OSullivan,Twomey,Halloran,S Prendergast,Dillon,O’Brien,Mahony,B OSullivan

alllcounty

seananigans wrote: »

Just up

WD v CE - O'Keeffe,S. Fives,Lawlor,Connors,Nagle,Walsh, Moran, S. OSullivan,Twomey,Halloran,S Prendergast,Dillon,O’Brien,Mahony,B OSullivan

Decent team. Few new lads getting a chance this year with S Fives, D Twomey, B Halloran, J Dillon on the starting team and the welcome return of B O'Sullivan. I hope it goes well for them. Clare are an up and coming team with some exceptional young hurlers like Tony Kelly, John Conlon and others which will make it an interesting contest. Any word on the injury list, are players such as D Fives, S Daniels, M O'Neill, R Foley, S Walsh and a few others fit to play.

Mountainlad

alllcounty wrote: »

Decent team. Few new lads getting a chance this year with S Fives, D Twomey, B Halloran, J Dillon on the starting team and the welcome return of B O'Sullivan. I hope it goes well for them. Clare are an up and coming team with some exceptional young hurlers like Tony Kelly, John Conlon and others which will make it an interesting contest. Any word on the injury list, are players such as D Fives, S Daniels, M O'Neill, R Foley, S Walsh and a few others fit to play.

I think Darragh Fives and Daniels will play some part. Martin O Neill started for WIT, but came off. Not sure if hes injured or just dropped. Dunno anything about the other two to be honest.

seananigans

I know i shouldn't expect anythin, I know that i should write off the year,but if theres one thing i know about the Déise , we don't give up, we don't play the odds, we don't quit when people say we should and we ony lose when people say we shouldnt.


This year can end badly , but who would have thought in 08 after losing to wexford we would be in an AI ?

Im going in as a blind fool ,and i hope if we win or lose,we do so with heart and style

robopaddy

alllcounty wrote: »

The main reason why there was a gulf in performance between the two sides last year at U21 is due to the two different policies the county board of either county chose when selecting management for this grade. The management team that oversaw the two Clare minor teams that won munster in 2010 and 2011 were appointed as the management team for the U21 in 2012. The progress the management made with these players when they were minor was continued at U21.

However in Waterford the county board would not do this as they usually fall out with the minor management every year no matter who is there and so the same management is never appointed at U21. End result is a whole new management team is appointed at U21 who never oversaw the development of players from underage and so no commitment or loyalty between the players or management team exist. The waterford county board have repeated the same mistake again this year and I think we should consider given ye a walkover to save us the embarrassment of another humiliating defeat.

yea blame the co board for that loss.. or evven better still the good old divisional boards
burn em to the ground i say

Straight Talker

Best of luck tomorrow lad's.It's up to the younger forwards to step up to the plate now starting tomorrow afternoon.Oh and Robopaddy it's only the league and all that but Cork didn't exactly look like Christy Ring cup material tonight!:D:pac:

mccarthy37

Straight Talker wrote: »

Best of luck tomorrow lad's.It's up to the younger forwards to step up to the plate now starting tomorrow afternoon.Oh and Robopaddy it's only the league and all that but Cork didn't exactly look like Christy Ring cup material tonight!:D:pac:

Listened to the match on Tipp FM tonight sounded very one sided. Great win all the same JMB's mushroom's are coming into harvest. Hope we don't get that kind of hiding tomorrow. Again well done Horgan sounded great.

Straight Talker

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Listened to the match on Tipp FM tonight sounded very one sided. Great win all the same JMB's mushroom's are coming into harvest. Hope we don't get that kind of hiding tomorrow. Again well done Horgan sounded great.

Im taking nothing for granted Tipp were a disgrace tonight but at least all this talk of infighting in the Cork camp has been put to rest.I think there's a good performance in Waterford tomorrow and i've been hearing a lot of promising things about young Jake Dillon.Waterford are very strong from positions 1-9.If some of the forwards step up to the plate this year then Waterford will surprise teams.

mccarthy37

Straight Talker wrote: »

Im taking nothing for granted Tipp were a disgrace tonight but at least all this talk of infighting in the Cork camp has been put to rest.I think there's a good performance in Waterford tomorrow and i've been hearing a lot of promising things about young Jake Dillon.Waterford are very strong from positions 1-9.If some of the forwards step up to the plate this year then Waterford will surprise teams.

If our local priest sees me at mass tomorrow he'll have a great laugh of me, he's a Cork man.

Cake Man

Best of luck to the seniors tomorrow, just have a feeling we might get a result, please god we will. If we even put in a good performance and the younger lads show what they can do, I won't be too disappointed. It's gonna torture me not being able to even listen to this game but hopefully someone can stick up a report after the game and I'll get an idea of how we did.

Also the very best of luck to Dungarvan colleges in the Harty final, hopefully they do the business too. If we get one win from those two games tomorrow, it won't be too bad.

Up the Deise

shoddy14

Just heard that the U-21 football team wont train this year and will be picked on player form over the last few years. This is an absolute disgrace and embarrassment, Players were only contacted this week and asked about their availability for championship in 3 weeks time.

Orizio

robopaddy wrote: »

is der any chance of eoin murphy coming back? wat a player he was. still going strong scored abt 20 points for WIT der yesterday

...lol?