Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Ando's Saggy Bottom

Mountainlad wrote: »

54 I think, you'll find it in the GAAs annual report.

Minor team for Thursday:

1. Sean Clancy Clonea
2. William Hahessey Clonea
3. Sam O’Neill Erin’s Own
4. Cian Leamy Ballyduff Upper
5. Kevin Daly Dungarvan CAPTAIN
6. Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
7. Michéal Harney Bonmahon
8. Mark O’Brien Ferrybank
9. Tom Devine Modeligo
10. Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
11. Colm Roche Shamrocks
12. Adam Farrell De La Salle
13. Patrick Curran Dungarvan
14. DJ Foran Portlaw
15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper

Would have thought Cian Leamy and Harney were more used to being forwards. Fine team though, forgot Mikey Kearney was available fine hurler. Pity Stephen Bennett is injured.

Mad to see only two city hurlers in the fifteen.

Mountainlad

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Mad to see only two city hurlers in the fifteen.

Especially at underage level, and with the management very much so based in the East. I think maybe it's a sign that the reputation of city bias existing is becoming less and less true.

There's actually 4 City hurlers though.

solarith

Mountainlad wrote: »

Especially at underage level, and with the management very much so based in the East. I think maybe it's a sign that the reputation of city bias existing is becoming less and less true.

Or maybe the reputation of city talent.

deisedub

robopaddy wrote: »

what a pity, brilliant young hurler. how long he expected to be out for?

Named on the bench so must be on the mend

Mountainlad

deisedub wrote: »

Named on the bench so must be on the mend

Do you have the matchday squad?

ManFromCheese

what are the list of subs?

stephen bennett is the best young hurler ive seen in waterford in a long time and i dont say that lightly, its a bad and worrying sign hes getting serious injuries like that so young, the lad shouldnt be burned out and should be treated with care, he has it all from what i can see and he is going to be a future star if hes managed properly.

alllcounty

13 clubs represented in the starting team, that must be a new record for waterford. Sure sign of a healty underage club system which contrasts prior to about 6 years ago when Ballygunner, Mount Sion, De la Salle and Lismore made up most of the team and we usually made a quick exit in the first round. Also Erins Own and Ferrybank are city clubs so that's 4 lads from the city.

Cake Man

Surely Ozzie Gleeson is a more natural forward, he started CF last year v Tipp.

Mountainlad

alllcounty wrote: »

13 clubs represented in the starting team, that must be a new record for waterford. Sure sign of a healty underage club system which contrasts prior to about 6 years ago when Ballygunner, Mount Sion, De la Salle and Lismore made up most of the team and we usually made a quick exit in the first round. Also Erins Own and Ferrybank are city clubs so that's 4 lads from the city.

There was 13 in last year if you count Lismore and Ballysaggart as seperate clubs. And there was 12 clubs represented in the first round v vs Tipp in 2011. Alot considering theres so few clubs at underage, max 30.

alllcounty

Mountainlad wrote: »

There was 13 in last year if you count Lismore and Ballysaggart as seperate clubs. And there was 12 clubs represented in the first round v vs Tipp in 2011. Alot considering theres so few clubs at underage, max 30.

That's good going, the tide has turned the last number of years so. Austin played centre back on the DLS harty team this year so that may be a more natural position for him at this level.

robopaddy

A big call whether bennett will be risked at any stage especially considering if we lose we face the prospect of a do or die game 6 days later.
Surprised aswel that only 4 of the dungarvan colleges team is starting. A healthy sign of the times...

deisedub

Taken from Munster GAA website;
Electric Ireland Munster MHC Q-Final – Waterford v Tipperary

Waterford will play Tipperary in the Quarter Final of the Electric Ireland Munster Minor Hurling Championship on Thursday April 11th at 7:00pm in Walsh Park Waterford.Fixture DetailsTHURSDAY APRIL 11THElectric Ireland Munster Minor Hurling Championship Quarter-FinalWaterford v TipperaryVenue: Walsh Park Waterford @ 7:00pmReferee – Jer O’Connell (Cork)Standby Referee – John Sexton (Cork)Linesman – Joe Larkin (Cork)Sideline Official – Maurice Mulcahy (Cork)Extra time – (2 periods x 10 minutes only) to be played if sides finish level at the end of 60 minutesNext Round – the winners will qualify for the Munster semi-final on June 26th where they will play Limerick.  The losers will play the losers of Cork v Clare on Wednesday April 17th.Contact Munster GAA PRO Ed Donnelly at pro.munster@gaa.ie for more informationTeam NewsThe Waterford Minor Hurling team to play Tipperary is as follows -1. Sean Clancy Clonea2. William Hahessey Clonea3. Sam O’Neill Erin’s Own4. Cian Leamy Ballyduff Upper5. Kevin Daly Dungarvan CAPTAIN6. Austin Gleeson Mount Sion7. Michéal Harney Bonmahon8. Mark O’Brien Ferrybank9. Tom Devine Modeligo10. Shane Bennett Ballysaggart11. Colm Roche Shamrocks12. Adam Farrell De La Salle13. Patrick Curran Dungarvan14. DJ Foran Portlaw15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper  For the RecordWaterfordTipperary2013 Team ManagementSean Power(Mount Sion – Manager) Selectors -Kieran O’Gorman (Lismore), Wayne Power(Ballyduff Upper),John Treacy (Passage)William Maher(Ballingarry – Manager) Selectors – Brian Horgan (Knockavilla Donaskeigh Kickhams), Martin Maher (Borris-Ileigh), Noel Morris (Loughmore-Castleiney)Damien Young(Drom & Inch – Trainer)2013 Team CaptainKevin Daly(Dungarvan)Tom Fox(Eire Og Annacarty)2012 Championship PerformanceDefeated Clare by 1-20 to 3-13 after extra time in the first round before losing to Tipperary in the semi-final.Defeated Kerry, Waterford and Clare to win the Munster Final. Further victories over Galway and Dublin (after a replay) secured an All-Ireland title.Number of Munster Minor Hurling titles437Last Munster Minor Hurling Title20092012Munster Minor Hurling Championship Record since 2000Played – 31Won – 11Lost – 17Drawn – 3Played – 39Won – 26Lost – 10Drawn – 3Last meeting in the Munster Minor Hurling ChampionshipJune 27th – 2012 Munster Semi-Final at Semple Stadium ThurlesTipperary 2-25 Waterford 0-12 – goals by Sean Ryan and Tadhg Gallagher helped Tipperary to a 19 point victoryMUNSTER GAA HURLING MINOR CHAMPIONSHIP 2013First RoundThursday April 11th@ Pairc Ui Rinn                               Cork v Clare                                                  @ 7:00pm@ Walsh Park Waterford                Waterford v Tipperary                                  @ 7:00pmSemi-Final Play-offWednesday April 17th(See venue permutations below)@ Cork venue                                  Cork v Waterford(met in 2010 Semi-Final Replay in Walsh Park Waterford)@ Cork venue                                  Cork v Tipperary(met in 2011 Playoff in Semple Stadium Thurles)@ Waterford venue                         Clare v Waterford(met in 2012 Quarter-Final in Cusack Park Ennis)@ Clare venue                                 Clare v Tipperary(met in 2011 Semi-Final in Semple Stadium Thurles)Semi-FinalsWednesday June 26thLimerick v Winners of Waterford v TipperaryWinners of Cork v Clare v Winners of Semi-Final Play-offFinalSunday July 14thMunster Minor Hurling Championship – Odds and EndsWaterford have lost just 3 of their last 12 matches in the Munster Minor Hurling Championship dating back to 2010. Each of the defeats came against the eventual Munster champions.Waterford have won their last 4 Munster Minor Hurling Championship matches played in Walsh Park in 2011 (Tipperary & Limerick) and 2010 (Clare & Cork).Tipperary are the defending Munster Minor Hurling Champions following a 1-16 to 1-12 victory over Clare at Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the 2012 Final.Since winning the 2008 Munster Minor Hurling title, Cork have won 3 of their last 11 matches in the Munster Minor Hurling Championship (twice v Kerry in 2011 and 2012 and once v Tipperary after extra time in the first round in 2010)Limerick have won 3 of their last 13 matches played in the Munster Minor Hurling Championship dating back to 2006. The victories came against Cork (2011 and 2012 first round) and v Kerry (2010 first round).Clare have won at least 1 match in the Munster Minor Hurling Championship over the last 7 years. Waterford have the next best consecutive streak with at least 1 victory in the last 5 years.Clare have won 9 of their last 11 matches in the Munster Minor Hurling Championship over the last 3 seasons, winning the 2010 and 2011 Munster titles at this grade.Munster Minor Hurling Championship Roll Of HonourTipperary (37) – 1930, 1931, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1967, 1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1973, 1976, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1987, 1991, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012Cork (32) – 1928, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1951, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1998 , 2000, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008Limerick (5) – 1940, 1958, 1963, 1965, 1984Waterford (4) – 1929, 1948, 1992, 2009Clare (4) – 1981, 1989, 2010, 2011Munster Minor Hurling Championship – List of Winning TeamsVisit the Munster GAA web site History section to view the complete list of each winning team since the competition began in1928 – http://munster.gaa.ie/history/mh_teams/Munster Minor Hurling CupThere is no name on the Munster Minor Hurling Cup. The cup itself was presented by T.W.A. Shannon Airport in 1946.All Ireland Minor Hurling ChampionshipIn the Minor Hurling All Ireland Roll of Honour, Tipperary are sedond in the charts with 19 titles behind Kilkenny’s 20 titles. Cork have won 18 titles, Limerick have 3 titles (1940, 1958, 1984), Waterford have won 2 titles (1929, 1948) while Clare’s only title to date came in 1997.Of the last 13 All-Ireland Minor Hurling Finals played, the Irish Press Cup has only returned to Munster on 4 occasions – Cork (2001) and Tipperary (2006, 2007 and 2012). Of the other 9 titles since 1999, Galway have 5 and Kilkenny have captured 4.Tipperary were All-Ireland Minor Hurling Champions in 1930, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1947, 1949, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, 1976, 1980, 1982, 1996, 2006, 2007 and 2012Cork were All-Ireland Minor Hurling Champions in 1928, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1951, 1964, 1967, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1974, 1978, 1979, 1985, 1995, 1998, 2001

Giveitfong

Well done to Dungarvan Colleges on their great win. It's a pity for live TV they didn't display the fluency of their Harty Cup final demolition of Templemore but I suppose finals are all about winning. Adding up all the wides, the missed penalty, the gifted goal to Kilkenny and the one they missed at the end, Dungarvan could easily have won this by 15 points.

When they missed that late goal chance I began to have fears of Kilkenny scoring two late goals and stealing the game, but really they offered little scoring threat. Placing Tadhg Bourke at centre back to mark their top player Kenny was a master stroke as he totally blotted him out, apart from the one chance he got when the Dungarvan goalie made the good save.

Incidentally, the clash between the two which saw Kenny go off looked much worse on TV than from where I was sitting. Bourke anticipated the short pass to Kenny and went for the ball, I thought. Kenny got there before him but I thought at the time that the clash was accidental and so did the referee.

The Dungarvan team was very strong all around but in Bourke, Tom Devine and Patrick Curran they have three great future prospects. It was funny observing Devine's youthfulness when he received the cup as on the field he oozes maturity and authority. Darragh Lyons is also a great bit of stuff. With his ability in the air, strength and pace Seamus Keating could also be a prospect but I expect we will lose him to rugby.

By the way, when Waterford lost to Tipperary to a last-minute goal in the 1997 Munster minor hurling championship, the Waterford starting team came from 15 clubs, and the one sub they brought on was from a different club again. Seamus Prendergast and James Murry played in that game. Here's hoping for a better result on Thursday.

robopaddy

Cake Man wrote: »

Surely Ozzie Gleeson is a more natural forward, he started CF last year v Tipp.

considering we were absolutely massacred by about 20 points the same day I dont think change is such a bad thing to be fair

Orizio

Wasn't their three Bennett's playing last year or am I imagining things?

Mountainlad

Orizio wrote: »

Wasn't their three Bennett's playing last year or am I imagining things?

There was. Kieran Bennett was the youngest of them too I'm fairly sure.

robopaddy

Mountainlad wrote: »

There was. Kieran Bennett was the youngest of them too I'm fairly sure.

Kieran the eldest

Mountainlad

robopaddy wrote: »

Kieran the eldest

Ah right, thought somebody had said to me he was 16.

noiniho

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ah right, thought somebody had said to me he was 16.

Kieran is the eldest, Stephen in the middle, Shane is the youngest,

Orizio

So Steven and Shane will have played three years at Minor level?

noiniho

Orizio wrote: »

So Steven and Shane will have played three years at Minor level?

This year would be Stephens third year if he returns from injury and plays, AFAIK he is only 17 but is overage for next year as he turns 18 in October/November time.

This is Shanes 2nd year, next year will be his third.

Kieran played last year, I think that was the only year he played

robopaddy

Stephen scored a hat-trick v Limerick in the Munster minor semi 2 years ago & he was only 15 at the time, so its unfortunate hes got this injury this year when he should be at his peak as a minor. Hopefully we can progress and we can get to see more of the same for him during the summer.

malascoile

i heard michael kearney broke a finger last week and was out for this game?

carter10

Is there a list of subs anywhere? Is Conor Gleeson from FMW on the subs or injured? surprised hes not on the team.

abbeysideFB4L

carter10 wrote: »

Is there a list of subs anywhere? Is Conor Gleeson from FMW on the subs or injured? surprised hes not on the team.

Conor Gleeson is a serious talent! expect to see him come off the bench

abbeysideFB4L

Mountainlad wrote: »

54 I think, you'll find it in the GAAs annual report.

Minor team for Thursday:

1. Sean Clancy Clonea
2. William Hahessey Clonea
3. Sam O’Neill Erin’s Own
4. Cian Leamy Ballyduff Upper
5. Kevin Daly Dungarvan CAPTAIN
6. Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
7. Michéal Harney Bonmahon
8. Mark O’Brien Ferrybank
9. Tom Devine Modeligo
10. Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
11. Colm Roche Shamrocks
12. Adam Farrell De La Salle
13. Patrick Curran Dungarvan
14. DJ Foran Portlaw
15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper

Would have thought Cian Leamy and Harney were more used to being forwards. Fine team though, forgot Mikey Kearney was available fine hurler. Pity Stephen Bennett is injured.

Strong team. suprised none of the dungarvan colleges full back line got on to the team, they may not be spectaculer hurlers but together they only conceded 5 goals in the 9 games they played! Looking forward to thursday though

KevIRL

PaddyPower make it Waterford 2/1, Tipp 2/5 for this game. I think 2/1 is a cracking price given our successes at colleges level and home advantage. The concern is how much preparation the team have had together. But 2/1 still definitely seems far too big to me

Orizio

I'm sure its a fine Waterford side but that Tipp team are strong favourites for the AI this year imo.

deisedub

Waterford minor subs;
16. Gavin Power (Dungarvan)
17. Paul O'Connor (Clashmore)
18. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
19. Barry Whelan (Tramore)
20. MJ Sutton (Ferrybank)
21. Shane Ryan (De La Salle)
22. Christy Breathnach (An Rinn)
23. Cormac Curran (Brickey Rangers)
24. Stephen Bennett (St Cartridge's/Ballysaggart)

The blue blaa

Can anyone shed some light on the management team I not sure i would know them are they relatively new as opposed to last few yrs like. Are these the men who've been delivering success within the recent colleges success last 2 yrs?
Normally you'd know at least 1 or 2 of them but I don't think I do this year old age I suppose lol....

deisefolife

deisedub wrote: »

Waterford minor subs;
16. Gavin Power (Dungarvan)
17. Paul O'Connor (Clashmore)
18. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
19. Barry Whelan (Tramore)
20. MJ Sutton (Ferrybank)
21. Shane Ryan (De La Salle)
22. Christy Breathnach (An Rinn)
23. Cormac Curran (Brickey Rangers)
24. Stephen Bennett (St Cartridge's/Ballysaggart)

is he not playing for Dungarvan

deisedub

deisefolife wrote: »

is he not playing for Dungarvan

Who are you referring too?

robopaddy

deisefolife wrote: »

is he not playing for Dungarvan

No different Cormac Curran plays for Dungarvan, older brother to Paddy Cathal and Colm.

robopaddy

Orizio wrote: »

I'm sure its a fine Waterford side but that Tipp team are strong favourites for the AI this year imo.

Agreed. this Tipp team has been strong all the way up along since winning the Tony Forristal 4 years ago. They still a lot of lads from last years minor winning side. Its a very hard draw for us

robopaddy

The blue blaa wrote: »

Can anyone shed some light on the management team I not sure i would know them are they relatively new as opposed to last few yrs like. Are these the men who've been delivering success within the recent colleges success last 2 yrs?
Normally you'd know at least 1 or 2 of them but I don't think I do this year old age I suppose lol....

Wayne Power (Ballyduff Upper) is an older brother of Adrian's, I dont know what experience he has in working with these lads.
Kieran 'Cuggs' O'Gorman of Lismore is involved heavily in underage at club level again Im not sure what experience he has at county level.

Not sure about the eastern lads

deisedub

The blue blaa wrote: »

Can anyone shed some light on the management team I not sure i would know them are they relatively new as opposed to last few yrs like. Are these the men who've been delivering success within the recent colleges success last 2 yrs?
Normally you'd know at least 1 or 2 of them but I don't think I do this year old age I suppose lol....

John Tracey was over the Passage minor team that won last years championship. Was with the Waterford Sonny Walsh & Tony Forristal winning teams 2009 & 2010. Also the Waterford u.16 team the won the Shield in the Tipperary tournament last year, actually they went unbeaten in that, they lost out on a ruling on scores against, even though they out scored Galway in the group stage, Offally scored 5 pts against them and only managed 4 against Galway.

seananigans

robopaddy wrote: »

Not sure about the eastern lads

Wouldn't blame ya, they're an untrustworthy sort :-P

Mountainlad

KevIRL wrote: »

PaddyPower make it Waterford 2/1, Tipp 2/5 for this game. I think 2/1 is a cracking price given our successes at colleges level and home advantage. The concern is how much preparation the team have had together. But 2/1 still definitely seems far too big to me

There isn't that many Dungarvan lads on the team, 4 I think starting. I think the fact that they've been hurling away anyway will be beneficial and they're confidence will be up. As for the rest, they've been training since January doing gym work and the like at the start as is the norm. There is a decent investment in this team, and they played Kilkenny in a challenge before the league match against same and won. Stephen Bennett not starting is a blow, and I dunno it seems that a few lads have been shifted in to the backline that might have been forwards. That would suggest they've really strong forward line. I think they will certainly push Tipp and with that in mind 2/1 is probably a good punt.

deisefolife

deisedub wrote: »

Who are you referring too?

sorry forgot to mention his name.

it was Cormac Curran i was on about.

deisefolife

will the match be live on WLR tonight ?

deisedub

deisefolife wrote: »

sorry forgot to mention his name.

it was Cormac Curran i was on about.

Grandson of Austin Flynn, no relation to Pat Curran (originally of Cappaquinn)

premierstone

deisefolife wrote: »

will the match be live on WLR tonight ?

Game's not on untill tomorrow night, no idea if WLR have it, hope so as Tipp FM don't and I can't make it down.

robopaddy

premierstone wrote: »

Game's not on untill tomorrow night, no idea if WLR have it, hope so as Tipp FM don't and I can't make it down.

nah wont be live on wlr will have regular updates alright.

fancy yere chances in it?

premierstone

robopaddy wrote: »

nah wont be live on wlr will have regular updates alright.

fancy yere chances in it?

We have a strong team especially from 1-9, our half back line looks incredibly strong but I dont think we are 2/5 shots and the bookies are underestimating Waterford IMO.

robopaddy

premierstone wrote: »

We have a strong team especially from 1-9, our half back line looks incredibly strong but I dont think we are 2/5 shots and the bookies are underestimating Waterford IMO.

Interesting, as the consensus here would be that we are strong in the forwards this year 10 - 15 and some good forwards on the bench. Yere probably justifiably favourites alright but I think it'll be a lot closer than last year

deisefolife

premierstone wrote: »

Game's not on untill tomorrow night, no idea if WLR have it, hope so as Tipp FM don't and I can't make it down.

got my wires crossed

i might be able to make it now :-)

skaface

Best of luck to our Minor team tonight, hope there is a Large home support
in Walsh Park for these lads.. Up The Deise !!

Cake Man

Best of luck to the lads later, they'll be up against it but hopefully they give it a good lash.

deisefolife

best of luck to out minors tonight..

how great a win tonight would be for this minor team

either way win lose or draw, ill be proud of them

deisedub

UP WATERFORD :-)