Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

DeiseDawg

:pac: Was free entry to new fixture announced?

DeiseDawg

:pac: Earlier I saw a comment from RumMonkey saying there was people inside the ground at 6.35. Did they get tickets?. Do we need to show tickets or something for next game?

RumMonkey

DeiseDawg wrote: »

:pac: Earlier I saw a comment from RumMonkey saying there was people inside the ground at 6.35. Did they get tickets?. Do we need to show tickets or something for next game?

Can't see the GAA organised enough to sort passes for those already inside.

DeiseDawg

Statement from Munster GAA website


Match off – Munster MHC S-Final Playoff – Waterford v Clare

The game between Waterford and Clare in the Electric Ireland Munster Minor Hurling Championship Semi Final Playoff on Wednesday April 17th fixed for Fraher Field Dungarvan was called out to the adverse weather conditions. A re-fixture date will be communicated in due course.
Munster GAA Statement on Minor Hurling Postponement
Munster GAA regrets that the Munster Minor Hurling Championship Semi-Final Playoff game between Clare and Waterford scheduled for Fraher Field Dungarvan tonight (Wednesday April 17th) had to be postponed.
The game was cancelled in the interests of player safety which is of paramount importance. This decision was made by the referee, Anthony Sherlock, with the full support of both counties and Munster GAA. The game was cancelled at 6:40pm as soon as it became apparent that the ever increasing winds were dangerously high for everyone involved. The decision was then communicated to the patrons in attendance immediately. The game will be re-fixed in the coming days by the Munster GAA CCC.
With a few hundred people already in the ground, it was not feasible or practical to issue people with refunds. Various different categories of entrance applied on the night including free juveniles, juvenile groups, ticket holders, OAPs, students, press etc. It would have been impossible to distinguish between these people so the best approach is that all patrons will have free entry for the re-fixed game.
We realise this did not suit everybody but when totally exceptional circumstances apply as was the case on Wednesday night, it is not always possible to produce an outcome to everybody’s satisfaction.
In relation to the timing of the decision to postpone tonight’s game, the conditions at Fraher Field Dungarvan were monitored on a regular basis during Wednesday afternoon up to an hour before the throw-in time and the game was deemed playable. As conditions deteriorated in Dungarvan in the hour leading up to the game, a further inspection was carried out and the best decision in the circumstances was taken. We thank all our patrons for their patience in the circumstances.

Hslaw

Free entry ill drink to that

DeiseX

Free entry is all grand and good the next day, but those who turned up last night and paid €10 are still €10 out of pocket! Whereas those who turn up the next night and weren't there last night obviously won't be €10 out of pocket!! Granted, its not a huge admission fee but its the principle of the thing.

Why can't the Munster Clown Council issue a receipt to paying patrons ENTERING through the turnstile for non-ticketed games, so in the event of a cancellation it will be pretty easy to distinguish who paid in and who didn't! This isn't rocket science!!!!

robopaddy

DeiseX wrote: »

Why can't the Munster Clown Council issue a receipt to paying patrons ENTERING through the turnstile for non-ticketed games, so in the event of a cancellation it will be pretty easy to distinguish who paid in and who didn't! This isn't rocket science!!!!

in the event of a cancellation once every 20 years? come on in fairness I dont think they had any other option than to do what they did. If everyone in the stand was made que to get a refund it would have been all sorts of chaos with change etc and theyd probably still be there now trying to sort it out.

I know it will sicken some to see the fair-weather supporters come along for the free ride but the bottom line is the people that did pay will still have a chance to get their money's worth. On the plus side it should draw a big home support for the lads the next day

DeiseX

Christ, I'm asking for some small form of receipt when I go through a turnstile, not a legal contract that needs to be reviewed by a solicitor. Would it not make sense to do so?? Most other services/events/shops issue receipt of payment, why the hell not for a match?? A receipt book, or something smaller and similar in nature would hardly break the bank now!

Simple, walk through the turnstile, hand them the money, they hand you a receipt/slip/ticket...boom! In the VERY unlikely event of the game being cancelled its very easy to issue a refund!!

Outside Walsh Park for the Tipp Minor game the Munster Council had people pay separately, get a ticket, then walk through the turnstile....this approach wasn't in place last night....how come??

Horseboxhead

it is so easy for anyone who was not at the game that never was last night to say , sure arn't they still getting their moneys worth isn't the next game free, but there was an amount of people there last night who can't make the game in two weeks time, and it was just the shambolic way in which the game cancellation was organised, last week you could not find an oap ticket seller out side of walsh park, so the father had to pay a €10 to get in, and this week tickets were not given out to anyone to record anything, why do the gaa, and yes i am including everyone from the munster council to our current lunatics making decisions here in waterford, make it so easy for everyone who does not like our organisation[theres a joke],to find fault?, by being so stupid, and disorganised, firstly game should have been cancelled early that day, that bollocks that they have to wait for a referee, what difference will that make?, it is the weather which was well noted for a couple of days, and secondly being forced to hand out tickets when half the crowd went home, as nobody trusted this inexcusably retarded shower not to change their mind and make people pay again the next day, as that is their mantra, sure we need the money, i think the gaa is a reflection of the current state of government within our island, absolute tools, with arrogance and loss of human compassion to match, it was massivly dissapointing last night, and the only ones who will argue with that are inside the tent pissing out.

cleaboy boy

On a side note, I was just wondering where the proceeds of last nights minor game will end up??? , there was a healthy enough crowd that had paid in already?

Any word yet of the re-fixture?

hardybuck

It wouldn't be too complicated to give people receipts as they pass through the turnstiles.

Not only would you prevent messing like what happened yesterday, but the County Board would be able to get accurate attendence figures. This would obviously reduce the risk of lads dipping into the takings, and should also be very important for Health & Safety reasons.

deiseach

hardybuck wrote: »

It wouldn't be too complicated to give people receipts as they pass through the turnstiles.

Not only would you prevent messing like what happened yesterday, but the County Board would be able to get accurate attendence figures. This would obviously reduce the risk of lads dipping into the takings, and should also be very important for Health & Safety reasons.

It would be too complicated, or at least would infuriate a large section of the match-going populace to the point of violence. I saw it at Walsh Park last week, fellas (it's always men) going straight into the turnstile oblivious to the person right beside the turnstile taking money. Can you imagine giving these types a receipt for EVERY GAME? And that's even before you consider the logistics of giving official receipts to every punter causing congestion at busy games. The game should have been called off earlier, that was the problem. Let's not go about creating permanently-impacting solutions for problems that occur once in a blue moon.

DeiseX

deiseach wrote: »

It would be too complicated, or at least would infuriate a large section of the match-going populace to the point of violence. I saw it at Walsh Park last week, fellas (it's always men) going straight into the turnstile oblivious to the person right beside the turnstile taking money. Can you imagine giving these types a receipt for EVERY GAME? And that's even before you consider the logistics of giving official receipts to every punter causing congestion at busy games. The game should have been called off earlier, that was the problem. Let's not go about creating permanently-impacting solutions for problems that occur once in a blue moon.

A small bit of contingency and forward thinking is all that is needed.

deiseach

DeiseX wrote: »

A small bit of contingency and forward thinking is all that is needed.

They should have called the match off earlier so no money was taken. We don't need to introduce an extra level of bureaucracy to the match-going experience.

Professey Chin

deiseach wrote: »

It would be too complicated, or at least would infuriate a large section of the match-going populace to the point of violence. I saw it at Walsh Park last week, fellas (it's always men) going straight into the turnstile oblivious to the person right beside the turnstile taking money. Can you imagine giving these types a receipt for EVERY GAME? And that's even before you consider the logistics of giving official receipts to every punter causing congestion at busy games. The game should have been called off earlier, that was the problem. Let's not go about creating permanently-impacting solutions for problems that occur once in a blue moon.

Are you genuinely saying that giving someone a small stub of paper when paying into a game is too difficult because of some grumpy old men?

DeiseX

deiseach wrote: »

They should have called the match off earlier so no money was taken. We don't need to introduce an extra level of bureaucracy to the match-going experience.

Bureaucracy!! !Jesus wept! Hand someone a small stub of paper!!! Not a mortgage application!!!

The GAA's dinosaur attitude towards patrons is ridiculous!

deiseach

Chinpool wrote: »

Are you genuinely saying that giving someone a small stub of paper when paying into a game is too difficult because of some grumpy old men?

I'm saying that giving everyone, not just the grumpy old men, a piece of paper is an unnecessary level of complication to going to a match. It will slow down access to the ground for every game - please don't say it won't, even a short transaction repeated several thousand times takes time - and lead to people bitching about the length of time it takes to get in. Last night's fiasco could have been avoided had they just called the game off earlier. That was where the mistake was made.

robopaddy

DeiseX wrote: »

Bureaucracy!! !Jesus wept! Hand someone a small stub of paper!!! Not a mortgage application!!!

The GAA's dinosaur attitude towards patrons is ridiculous!

waste of time... a small stub of paper for each of 3 or 4,000 people entering the match most people will just end up throwing on the ground and littering the place. and what happens when you go to get your money back and this 'small stub of paper' is not in your pocket? God help the lad at the gate thats all I say

Mountainlad

We're all wise after the event here. How many people would be arguing so vehemently for the introduction of receipts if the GAA had introduced a proposal to do so?

When has anyone called for receipts to be introduced before? Quite likely, plenty of people who became so accustomed to getting receipts while not needing would eventually either tell the person at the turnstile to keep them or discard them upon receiving one.

It's a shame for the people that went, especially as was pointed out to me yesterday for the Clare people who travelled. Where would the refund be available for Clare people if they'd been issued receipts? The Munster GAA headquarters? Or would we make them come all the way back to Waterford again? They have already incurred petrol costs that's no dead money to them, and for no reason at all.

There's only one thing about it, and that is that the game should have been called off earlier and that should have been communicated as quickly and as broadly as possible. This also takes into account the Clare players, who travelled to the game. Very frustrating to have a slightly more than 4 hour round trip to and from Dungarvan to Ennis, as well as making their way home for those that don't live right beside Ennis for no reason.

deisefolife

deiseach wrote: »

I'm saying that giving everyone, not just the grumpy old men, a piece of paper is an unnecessary level of complication to going to a match. It will slow down access to the ground for every game - please don't say it won't, even a short transaction repeated several thousand times takes time - and lead to people bitching about the length of time it takes to get in. Last night's fiasco could have been avoided had they just called the game off earlier. That was where the mistake was made.

one solution would be to let people in earlier to avoid congestion.. problem solved.

deiseach

deisefolife wrote: »

one solution would be to let people in earlier to avoid congestion.. problem solved.

Okay. How many people do you think turned up to Fraher last night and found the gates closed? How many people were in the queue when the gates opened? That's how much congestion you would avoid using this particular solution.

robopaddy

DeiseX wrote: »

Free entry is all grand and good the next day, but those who turned up last night and paid €10 are still €10 out of pocket! Whereas those who turn up the next night and weren't there last night obviously won't be €10 out of pocket!! Granted, its not a huge admission fee but its the principle of the thing.

you dont have to pay the next day so you are not actually 'out of pocket'. Im starting to think the big issue seems to be people are sickened to see people that couldnt or didnt go last night getting in free the next day but thats just the way it has to work. you have paid the tenner entrance fee, so be it.

If people are so much the wiser that the match should have been cancelled earlier why did they turn up in the first place?

I do feel sorry for the people that made the journey down from Clare on a midweek night only to find out that the match is cancelled, they are the ones who are really 'out of pocket'

DeiseX

robopaddy wrote: »

you dont have to pay the next day so you are not actually 'out of pocket'. Im starting to think the big issue seems to be people are sickened to see people that couldnt or didnt go last night getting in free the next day but thats just the way it has to work. you have paid the tenner entrance fee, so be it.

I do feel sorry for the people that made the journey down from Clare on a midweek night only to find out that the match is cancelled, they are the ones who are really 'out of pocket'

Well, I paid €10 last night and I won't be getting it back! As I was leaving the stand and walking back to the turnstile an man, early 60s I guess, was literally after walking 5 steps through the turnstile into the ground. I said to him you may turn around, the game is off. No one entered behind him in the meantime. The same steward who took his money 15 seconds previously refused to refund him. Are you genuinely telling me this is ok???

As a matter of interest, did the Munster Council decide to change the strategy from Walsh Park last week (go and pay, get a ticket, walk through the turnstile) for the game last night (simply pay cash at the turnstile) based on feedback from the Tipp game? Genuine question.

hardybuck

deiseach wrote: »

It would be too complicated, or at least would infuriate a large section of the match-going populace to the point of violence. I saw it at Walsh Park last week, fellas (it's always men) going straight into the turnstile oblivious to the person right beside the turnstile taking money. Can you imagine giving these types a receipt for EVERY GAME? And that's even before you consider the logistics of giving official receipts to every punter causing congestion at busy games. The game should have been called off earlier, that was the problem. Let's not go about creating permanently-impacting solutions for problems that occur once in a blue moon.

I take it you've bought something in a shop before? You hand over the money, you get a receipt, you continue on your way. Takes about 20 seconds. I saw it in Walsh Park as well last year, and it was a joke - but that doesn't mean the concept is wrong.

Think of the amount of times you've sat in stands when people were lauging when the attendance was announced. That alone should be a reason for introducing a system that will stand up to scrutiny.

Can you imagine any other business that wouldn't be able to reconcile their tills at the end of the day!?

deiseach

robopaddy wrote: »

you dont have to pay the next day so you are not actually 'out of pocket'. Im starting to think the big issue seems to be people are sickened to see people that couldnt or didnt go last night getting in free the next day but thats just the way it has to work. you have paid the tenner entrance fee, so be it.

I can understand people being aggrieved, some are not going to make the rescheduled game. However, the idea that every punter needs to have a receipt of entry for every game up and down the land on the chance the game is called off at the last minute is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Mountainlad

DeiseX wrote: »

Well, I paid €10 last night and I won't be getting it back! As I was leaving the stand and walking back to the turnstile an man, early 60s I guess, was literally after walking 5 steps through the turnstile into the ground. I said to him you may turn around, the game is off. No one entered behind him in the meantime. The same steward who took his money 15 seconds previously refused to refund him. Are you genuinely telling me this is ok???

As a matter of interest, did the Munster Council decide to change the strategy from Walsh Park last week (go and pay, get a ticket, walk through the turnstile) for the game last night (simply pay cash at the turnstile) based on feedback from the Tipp game? Genuine question.

If people are going to go to the game when its refixed, then it makes no difference. If you pay a €10 in, and get it refunded then it will still cost €10 the next day. It being free the next day, the cost incurred is €10. It's the same thing, the only difference being there will be people who will get in free. I see this being more peoples gripe than the actual cost of it. If you attend the game the next day you are certainly not out of pocket.

The only people that would be are Clare people who have to travel twice, and also people who don't go to the game the next day. If you weren't going to the game the next day (as in couldn't) then I'd send an email to the Munster Council immediately.

deiseach

hardybuck wrote: »

I take it you've bought something in a shop before? You hand over the money, you get a receipt, you continue on your way. Takes about 20 seconds. I saw it in Walsh Park as well last year, and it was a joke - but that doesn't mean the concept is wrong.

Think of the amount of times you've sat in stands when people were lauging when the attendance was announced. That alone should be a reason for introducing a system that will stand up to scrutiny.

Can you imagine any other business that wouldn't be able to reconcile their tills at the end of the day!?

Well, I've never gone to a GAA match and heard people griping that they didn't get a receipt, whereas I've heard lots of complaints over the years about the nuisance of any system of payment other than cash at the turnstiles, hence my previous reference to the grumpy old men. As Mountainlad notes, the lack of receipts was never an issue before last night. Had the game been called off in good time we wouldn't be having this conversation. As for the supposed cooking of the books, that's a long running joke. Given the amount of people who get into grounds without payment of any description, whether legitimately or not, I don't see how issuing tickets to punters who pay to get in will eradicate those suspicions. Unless you want everyone to be able to produce a ticket, which would seem like overkill to me.

hardybuck

deiseach wrote: »

Well, I've never gone to a GAA match and heard people griping that they didn't get a receipt, whereas I've heard lots of complaints over the years about the nuisance of any system of payment other than cash at the turnstiles, hence my previous reference to the grumpy old men. As Mountainlad notes, the lack of receipts was never an issue before last night. Had the game been called off in good time we wouldn't be having this conversation. As for the supposed cooking of the books, that's a long running joke. Given the amount of people who get into grounds without payment of any description, whether legitimately or not, I don't see how issuing tickets to punters who pay to get in will eradicate those suspicions. Unless you want everyone to be able to produce a ticket, which would seem like overkill to me.

My point revolves around the fact that the County Board officials don't know how many people are in the ground. They don't know how many of them have paid, are OAP's or students.

If you don't know how many people are in a ground - how can you ensure Health & Safety is properly looked after? Sure there may be plenty of space, but how many fire exits are manned for example - a crowd of 2,000 would take longer to evacuate than 1,000.

If you don't know how many people are in a ground, how can you ensure that you're people on the gates aren't stealing? You can't.

The above two are absolute basics, and I don't know how they're getting away without having that nailed down. If we were talking about a properly run organisation, you'd also like to know the basic demographics of your customer base - i.e. how many children, students, adults and OAP's are attending games. Once you know that you can look towards providing proper facilities (e.g. providing family friendly toilet areas where parents can bring young kids) or market your product more effectively to your target market - which we know the GAA is woeful at.

I just think that we're so used to looking at a really sloppy setup, and are to quick to provide reasons why improvements couldn't be made. Obviously this negative and reactive thinking is present at Board level also.

deiseach

hardybuck wrote: »

My point revolves around the fact that the County Board officials don't know how many people are in the ground. They don't know how many of them have paid, are OAP's or students.

If you don't know how many people are in a ground - how can you ensure Health & Safety is properly looked after? Sure there may be plenty of space, but how many fire exits are manned for example - a crowd of 2,000 would take longer to evacuate than 1,000.

If you don't know how many people are in a ground, how can you ensure that you're people on the gates aren't stealing? You can't.

The above two are absolute basics, and I don't know how they're getting away without having that nailed down. If we were talking about a properly run organisation, you'd also like to know the basic demographics of your customer base - i.e. how many children, students, adults and OAP's are attending games. Once you know that you can look towards providing proper facilities (e.g. providing family friendly toilet areas where parents can bring young kids) or market your product more effectively to your target market - which we know the GAA is woeful at.

I just think that we're so used to looking at a really sloppy setup, and are to quick to provide reasons why improvements couldn't be made. Obviously this negative and reactive thinking is present at Board level also.

A series of solutions looking for problems. You say you "don't know how they're getting away" with not knowing precisely how many people are in the ground from a Health & Safety perspective. Given these games are hardly hidden from the prying eyes of the authorities - the presence of the Gardaí at all these matches is a bit of a giveaway - I'd say the grounds conform with Health & Safety requirements. By your logic churchgoers should be issued with tickets so that they know precisely how many there are in congregation in the case of an emergency. I'm sure this is not the case and the same is true of sports venues. As for people potentially robbing and knowing the demographics of your audience, do you really think the answer to these problems is to make every GAA game all-ticket? Because that is the upshot of what you are suggesting. If that's the case, fine. I think it would be ridiculously convoluted, but we could agree to differ.

hardybuck

deiseach wrote: »

A series of solutions looking for problems. You say you "don't know how they're getting away" with not knowing precisely how many people are in the ground from a Health & Safety perspective. Given these games are hardly hidden from the prying eyes of the authorities - the presence of the Gardaí at all these matches is a bit of a giveaway - I'd say the grounds conform with Health & Safety requirements. By your logic churchgoers should be issued with tickets so that they know precisely how many there are in congregation in the case of an emergency. I'm sure this is not the case and the same is true of sports venues. As for people potentially robbing and knowing the demographics of your audience, do you really think the answer to these problems is to make every GAA game all-ticket? Because that is the upshot of what you are suggesting. If that's the case, fine. I think it would be ridiculously convoluted, but we could agree to differ.

A can of worms has been opened here which we could go on about for ages.

The Garda presence - I'm sure that's a very scientific process, "yera, there's a minor game on tonight, sure me and Joe will go up and keep an eye on things". Maybe I'm wrong - I'm sure they do it more carefully in Croke Park.

I'm sure if Waterford County Board want to hold a concert in Fraher Field this summer (and let's not even go there in terms of how badly they approached that fiasco) they'd have to conform to much stricter guidelines than they do when hosting GAA matches.

deiseach

hardybuck wrote: »

A can of worms has been opened here which we could go on about for ages.

You say it like it's a bad thing

Psychedelic

Some amount of moaning over a fcuking tenner, and you'll still get to see the game for the money you paid. Get over it lads, shit happens, it's not the end of the world.

premierstone

Psychedelic wrote: »

Some amount of moaning over a fcuking tenner, and you'll still get to see the game for the money you paid. Get over it lads, shit happens, it's not the end of the world.

Percisely, too many lads as usual looking for something to be mad about, and when the Munster Council then make the correct move and announce the re-fixed game will be free entry all the begrudgers can think about is other folk getting in for nothing and they paid a €10, even though they were quite happy to pay the tenner in the first place, its a typical Irish attitude unfortunately.

deiseach

Dmitri (of the Ballydurn Shostakovichs) finds out he'll get to see the match for free while some other misfortunates spent a tenner:

robopaddy

DeiseX wrote: »

Well, I paid €10 last night and I won't be getting it back! As I was leaving the stand and walking back to the turnstile an man, early 60s I guess, was literally after walking 5 steps through the turnstile into the ground. I said to him you may turn around, the game is off. No one entered behind him in the meantime. The same steward who took his money 15 seconds previously refused to refund him. Are you genuinely telling me this is ok???

and if he had gotten his tenner back? no doubt youd have demanded yours, and the person with you and so on so forth and before you know it you have 500 people gathered around one or two gatesmen demanding a tenner a head when the lads at the gate are only taking instructions from upstairs.

DeiseX

robopaddy wrote: »

and if he had gotten his tenner back? no doubt youd have demanded yours, and the person with you and so on so forth and before you know it you have 500 people gathered around one or two gatesmen demanding a tenner a head when the lads at the gate are only taking instructions from upstairs.

Look, I feel I was entitled to me €10! Simple as that! I'll say no more!

Mountainlad

Intersting that I read here that Brian Looby (Abbeyside/Ballinacourty), the Dungarvan Colleges full back, was not part of the Waterford Minor Hurling Panel as he was concentrating on his leaving cert. He lines out for the Waterford minor football team though tomorrow. A total of 4 startes from the Minor hurling team line out for the footballers:

1. Craig Brown Erin’s Own
2. Jack Mullaney Stradbally
3. Tomas Cooney Nire
4. Dermot Ryan Nire
5. Jamie Barron An Rinn
6. Brian Looby Ballinacourty
7. Billy o Keeffe Gaultir
8. Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
9. Tom Devine Modeligo
10. Willie Hahessy Rathgormack
11. Micheal Casey Dunhill
12. Jason Curry Rathgormack CAPTAIN
13. Michael Troy Modeligo
14. Conor Gleeson Nire
15. Paul O Connor Clashmore/Kinsalebeg

cleaboy boy

The reason he lines out for the footballers is that they got together about 2 weeks ago and he knows that it'll be a short campaign ( with no disrespect to the football people in the county )

hardybuck

Mountainlad wrote: »

Intersting that I read here that Brian Looby (Abbeyside/Ballinacourty), the Dungarvan Colleges full back, was not part of the Waterford Minor Hurling Panel as he was concentrating on his leaving cert. He lines out for the Waterford minor football team though tomorrow. A total of 4 startes from the Minor hurling team line out for the footballers:

1. Craig Brown Erin’s Own
2. Jack Mullaney Stradbally
3. Tomas Cooney Nire
4. Dermot Ryan Nire
5. Jamie Barron An Rinn
6. Brian Looby Ballinacourty
7. Billy o Keeffe Gaultir
8. Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
9. Tom Devine Modeligo
10. Willie Hahessy Rathgormack
11. Micheal Casey Dunhill
12. Jason Curry Rathgormack CAPTAIN
13. Michael Troy Modeligo
14. Conor Gleeson Nire
15. Paul O Connor Clashmore/Kinsalebeg

Must be a very long time since an Erin's Own man has been on a Waterford minor football side! Fair play to him.

tramoreabu

Mountainlad wrote: »

Intersting that I read here that Brian Looby (Abbeyside/Ballinacourty), the Dungarvan Colleges full back, was not part of the Waterford Minor Hurling Panel as he was concentrating on his leaving cert. He lines out for the Waterford minor football team though tomorrow. A total of 4 startes from the Minor hurling team line out for the footballers:

1. Craig Brown Erin’s Own
2. Jack Mullaney Stradbally
3. Tomas Cooney Nire
4. Dermot Ryan Nire
5. Jamie Barron An Rinn
6. Brian Looby Ballinacourty
7. Billy o Keeffe Gaultir
8. Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
9. Tom Devine Modeligo
10. Willie Hahessy Rathgormack
11. Micheal Casey Dunhill
12. Jason Curry Rathgormack CAPTAIN
13. Michael Troy Modeligo
14. Conor Gleeson Nire
15. Paul O Connor Clashmore/Kinsalebeg

Can't believe there's no city lads getting a look in, just like the u21.

abbeysideFB4L

tramoreabu wrote: »

Can't believe there's no city lads getting a look in, just like the u21.

And can you tell me how many city lads went to the trial? I have seen it with years, the best of the city players (aka the hurlers) dont want to play the football! also billy o keefe Ballygunner/gaultier is starting because if memory serves me right he has been the only city player on that age, playing since u14?

If im wrong in anything im saying please feel free to tell me

jive

abbeysideFB4L wrote: »

And can you tell me how many city lads went to the trial? I have seen it with years, the best of the city players (aka the hurlers) dont want to play the football! also billy o keefe Ballygunner/gaultier is starting because if memory serves me right he has been the only city player on that age, playing since u14?

If im wrong in anything im saying please feel free to tell me

Well it was posted in this thread a few weeks ago that nobody from the East was contacted about the under 21 trials. Could be different for minor.... could be

robopaddy

Hoe all the dual lads come through unscathed

Mountainlad

jive wrote: »

Well it was posted in this thread a few weeks ago that nobody from the East was contacted about the under 21 trials. Could be different for minor.... could be

Yeah but there's a lad from Erins Own in goal as well as a few lads from Rathgormack and a Gaultier player, and who knows what players are on the bench. Before we go spare about the East not being represented, might be worth enquiring how many wanted to play.

deisefolife

Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football C'ship - Waterford 2-5 Limerick 1-5 - Ht score

robopaddy

deisefolife wrote: »

Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football C'ship - Waterford 2-5 Limerick 1-5 - Ht score

tis over lad we won it.....

Hon the deise!!!!

deisefolife

was that the final score, i was just having a look on the web that's all they gave me, so i said i'd post up here

solarith

robopaddy wrote: »

tis over lad we won it.....

Hon the deise!!!!

Who needs training!

Mountainlad

Pity to see them so under prepared. Between the under 21 and minor teams this year theres obviously plenty of talent there. Hopefully they'll knuckle down and give the semi final against Tipp or Clare a good go.

robopaddy

Mountainlad wrote: »

Pity to see them so under prepared. Between the under 21 and minor teams this year theres obviously plenty of talent there. Hopefully they'll knuckle down and give the semi final against Tipp or Clare a good go.

when will that semi be before or after the leaving? always have a chance when your on the opposite side of the draw to cork or kerry