Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Deise Hurler

Have to agree with the above. Lawlor made one or two mistakes yesterday but has been effective if not spectacular at full back for us. The last time I remember Lawlor not starting full back for Waterford was the 2011 Munster Final. Enough said. As for those calling for Seamus to be dropped, thats just crazy. If he hadn't been pulled to the ground yesterday at the start of the 2nd half he would have had a goal. Seamus is invaluable to the forwards due to his size and ball winning ability.

seananigans

I've said it before and i'll say it again, we're not at the endof an era but the start of one, i respect immensely the crop of '98 and i would be indifferent ot hurling without them .

but our best days are not behind us.

it's an absolute tragedy that flynn the mcgraths the prender's tony browne john mullane big dan never lifted the big one.

I hope the can take some comfort in the fact they inspired the generation that did and that they are only standing on the shoulders of giants

It's going to happen ,and soon at that . i only hope my dad of 67 gets to see it before he dies

HillFarmer

Dos anyone know if we can meet Clare in the last round of the qualifiers provided both teams come through the next phase?

ie since we played them already or is it an open draw

Cake Man

HillFarmer wrote: »

Dos anyone know if we can meet Clare in the last round of the qualifiers provided both teams come through the next phase?

ie since we played them already or is it an open draw

Was thinking about this myself, not too sure but I'd imagine we couldn't meet again.

I think things will go like this in the qualifiers:

Phase 1
Waterford v Westmeath - Waterford
Wexford v Carlow - Wexford

Phase 2
Tipp v KK/Dub or Laois - taken as Tipp v Dub/Laois (KK don't lose replays!) - Tipp
Clare v KK/Dub or Laois - taken as Clare v Dub/Laois (KK don't lose replays!) - Clare

Phase 3
Waterford v Tipp/Wexford (assuming we can't meet Clare again)
Wexford v Tipp/Clare/Waterford


Phase 3 is really going to be crunch time for us. With all due respect, the best we could get is Wexford (assuming they get through), worst would no doubt be Tipp (again, assuming they get through). It'd be just our luck to meet Tipp and I'm going to predict that is exactly what will happen!

deisedude

Didn't read any of yesterdays papers but no match report online or the sunday game mentioned how bad a ref McGrath was

robopaddy

Mountainlad wrote: »

Agreed. And we also have a tendency to judge players on one mistake over the course of 70 mins here. Saw the highlights earlier and the very first score came from Lawlor coming out winning a ball and playing a long ball 80 yards down the field straight to Jake Dillon who caught it well and hit a great score.

And yet nobody in a million years would mention that. But he could be two years with out another mistake, and the first mistake he'd make again people would be talking about last night's match again.

I'm not saying that's something exclusive to him, seen it with several players. Even a few months ago Maurice Shanahan was an 'average' hurler, and Jamie Nagle was 'pure useless'. We're quick to judge, guilty of it myself sometimes too. But horrible to see the negativity after a positive result last night. Some people wouldn't sleep at night if they hadn't something bad to say I'm starting to think.

lets not forget Micahel Ryan aswell lads, last week he was being ridiculed and people were saying he was a joke. Havent seen his name mentioned once since Saturday night.

Were a fickle bunch. One defeat and the world is over, one win and were back in an AI Final. Never ceases to amaze me some of the people on here

robopaddy

2nd Phase Qualifier Draw:

Clare V Laois

(Losers Of) Dublin/KK V Tipperary

If results go as youd expect them to we will be playing Tipp In the Phase 3 qualifier.

Clare have a handy route into the quarters should play Wexford in phase 3

hardybuck

robopaddy wrote: »

2nd Phase Qualifier Draw:

Clare V Laois

(Losers Of) Dublin/KK V Tipperary

If results go as youd expect them to we will be playing Tipp In the Phase 3 qualifier.

Clare have a handy route into the quarters should play Wexford in phase 3

Can we actually play Clare again in a qualifier anyway?

fricatus

hardybuck wrote: »

Can we actually play Clare again in a qualifier anyway?

Yes and no. The draw specifically avoids repeat pairings, so we would only meet them again if there was no other option. In Phase 3 there are other options: Laois, Dublin, KK or Tipp; so we won't be meeting Clare in Phase 3 anyway.

Assuming we beat Westmeath, it's more than likely Dublin or Tipp. I can't see Laois beating Clare or KK losing the replay (good and all as Dublin are).

Intorestin' champenchip!!!

hardybuck

fricatus wrote: »

Yes and no. The draw specifically avoids repeat pairings, so we would only meet them again if there was no other option. In Phase 3 there are other options: Laois, Dublin, KK or Tipp; so we won't be meeting Clare in Phase 3 anyway.

Assuming we beat Westmeath, it's more than likely Dublin or Tipp. I can't see Laois beating Clare or KK losing the replay (good and all as Dublin are).

Intorestin' champenchip!!!

Yeah, that's what I was thinking myself.

As for Dublin - I don't think they're are any great shakes at all. They're 1B and struggled past Wexford in a replay.

KK must be having trouble of their own, as they didn't play great against Offaly, and are only still in Leinster by the skin of their teeth. While always wary of criticising them, with Shefllin & Fennelly out and perhaps Cody not 100% himself, perhaps they aren't so invincible.

Galway must be watching with interest, but even they only struggled past Laois!

Very, very interesting Championship so far.

deiseach

gammon_steak wrote: »

Lawlor getting way too much stick here. He made a terrible mistake yesterday but other than that he's been the best full back we've had in years. Full back is not about being fancy, it's about minding the house and sometimes that means playing the man.

I wonder were Clare people calling for Patrick Donnellan's head after his careless pass out of defence gifted Jake Dillon his goal in Thurles. At the very least you'd have expected him to be stripped of the captaincy for his crime.

HillFarmer

So looks like we will be playing Tipp more than likely if we get past Westmeath which you'd expect.

Would much prefer Dublin, its been a while since we beat this Tip team in championship, 2008

fricatus

HillFarmer wrote: »

Would much prefer Dublin, its been a while since we beat this Tip team in championship, 2008

True, but we beat them in the league already this year. They're good, but they're not invincible.

If only KK had lost to Dublin yesterday, it would have been KK v Tipp in one of the qualifying rounds - one of the big boys out like that would have thrown things wide open! Could still happen of course but I'm not holding my breath.

hardybuck

While there is a lot of hurling to be done before we might end up playing Tipp, I'd still be very wary of them. Before the Limerick game we'd have put them in the top 3 teams who had a shot of an All Ireland, and you'd imagine they could still turn it on.

The problem we'd have against Tipp in particular is that their half back line would lord it against our half forward line, making it very difficult for us to make gain any possession, and putting our backs under huge pressure. Normally they put someone very mobile at centre forward who can roast Brick also.

seananigans

We Can't make an AIF without meeting Tipp KK or Galway .and sooner or later we will need to cut our teeth on more difficult fare.

as far as i am concerned any wins after the westmeath match will be a bonus , we just have to hope we will go as far as we can

Mountainlad

We can't meet Clare again but Dublin could beat Tipp.

I would expect Tipp to come through that game if it did happen, but that's only if they're much improved. Dublin have home advantage. And that's assuming Kilkenny improve more next weekend than Dublin do, which again is no guarantee.

robopaddy

Wouldnt write Dublin off next weekend either the qualifier draw has added extra spice to the replay. The loser knowing they'll face a qualifier with Tipp. Until Kilkenny get Shefflin, Fennelly, Jackie Tyrell and Paul Murphy back they are beatable. weve seen that time and time again they are not the same team without the King

HillFarmer

Mountainlad wrote: »

We can't meet Clare again but Dublin could beat Tipp.

I would expect Tipp to come through that game if it did happen, but that's only if they're much improved. Dublin have home advantage. And that's assuming Kilkenny improve more next weekend than Dublin do, which again is no guarantee.

That's my hope, if Dublin end up playing and beating Tip I think we'd have a much better crack off them, all ifs and buts.

doz

Looking forward to game on Sat, have a lot of family from the Mullingar area so should be a good day out, pity I'll have to sit through the football though! With all due respect to Westmeath who have a decent crop of young players at the moment, we should be winning pretty well and we need to be raising some green flags. Doubt there will be many changes but def expect to see Tony on the field at some stage! Paudie Mahony probably in for Jamie Barron and maybe Shane Walsh in if he's fit, possibly for Seamus.

Tough looking after this but was always going to be the way once Cork won yesterday. At our current level we will never be expected to beat KK or Tipp but we are going to have to beat them at some stage to achieve our ambitions and who knows this might be the year.

Assuming generously that it is ourselves, Tipp, Clare and Wexford, any chance these games could be a double header in Cork?

deiseach

doz wrote: »

Assuming generously that it is ourselves, Tipp, Clare and Wexford, any chance these games could be a double header in Cork?

Jaysus, it's hard enough following Waterford without inflicting that dump upon us again.

PTH2009

doz wrote: »

Looking forward to game on Sat, have a lot of family from the Mullingar area so should be a good day out, pity I'll have to sit through the football though! With all due respect to Westmeath who have a decent crop of young players at the moment, we should be winning pretty well and we need to be raising some green flags. Doubt there will be many changes but def expect to see Tony on the field at some stage! Paudie Mahony probably in for Jamie Barron and maybe Shane Walsh in if he's fit, possibly for Seamus.

Tough looking after this but was always going to be the way once Cork won yesterday. At our current level we will never be expected to beat KK or Tipp but we are going to have to beat them at some stage to achieve our ambitions and who knows this might be the year.

Assuming generously that it is ourselves, Tipp, Clare and Wexford, any chance these games could be a double header in Cork?

id say a double header in Thurles will be out of the question as Tipp will be playing. Possibly Clare vs Wexford in Thurles and Waterford vs Tipperary in Nowlan Park. Doubt Cork will be considered as Bruce Springsteen is playing there on Thursday 18th July and these games will be fixed for 13 July. Maybe Nowlan park will get a double header or something like that.

If its Dublin or Kilkenny id say a double header in Thurles would happen. But still We have to beat Westmeath first and what a shock that would be if we were to lose that

toxicity234

Well done to Waterford.
You were miles the better team.

Offaly Management was as per normal shocking. Your midfield distroy ours. The madness of sending every puck out to the one player from Offaly was hard to look at.
the stupidity of put a 5"7 lad in on Brick Walsh with 15 mins left didn't help our cause.
I though we did ok in the first half apart from Midfield, Carroll was not at the races. everytime we look like we were going to put a run of score together one of your midfielder found himself in space to set up your forward.
If its was not for Lawlor give Dooley the ball for the goal we would have being beating at half time.
Waterford won't be to far away from any team they play. well least you have your best players playing in there best postions.
unlike offaly we have a midfield playing conner back and wing back and a conner forward playing in midfield.

Best of luck for the rest of the championship.

runjb

People seem to be taking it that Waterford are going to be playing Tipp. But as far as I reckon, we have a 50-50 chance of playing Tipp (Assuming they win their next match) and Wexford.

Pairings could go:

Waterford v Wexford

Clare v Tipp/Dublin

So let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Step 1: Beat Westmeath this Saturday

Step 2: Pray for a favourable draw

Mountainlad

runjb wrote: »

People seem to be taking it that Waterford are going to be playing Tipp. But as far as I reckon, we have a 50-50 chance of playing Tipp (Assuming they win their next match) and Wexford.

Pairings could go:

Waterford v Wexford

Clare v Tipp/Dublin

So let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Step 1: Beat Westmeath this Saturday

Step 2: Pray for a favourable draw

Do we not automatically have to play a winner of Phase 2 in Phase 3?

Keanes Road

Mountainlad wrote: »

Do we not automatically have to play a winner of Phase 2 in Phase 3?

We do have play a phase 2 winner, meaning we can't get Wexford.

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/gaa-hurling-all-ireland-senior-championship/

PTH2009

Mountainlad wrote: »

Do we not automatically have to play a winner of Phase 2 in Phase 3?

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/gaa-hurling-all-ireland-senior-championship/

We can not play Wexford in phase 3.

Phase 3

Phase I winner vs Phase 2 Winner
Phase I winner vs Phase 2 Winner

Sanario 1
So Phase 1 say Wexford and Waterford Win
Phase 2 Tipperary and Clare Win
Phase 3 will be
Wexford vs Clare
Waterford vs Tipperary

Sanario 2
Wexford and Waterford Win Phase 1
Phase 2- Clare and Dublin win phase 2

Phase 3 will be
Wexford vs Clare
Waterford vs Dublin

Sanario 3
Wexford and Waterford win Phase 1
Phase 2- Clare and Kilkenny win

Phase 3
Wexford vs Clare
Waterford vs Kilkenny

Sanario 4
Wexford and Waterford win Phase 1
Phase 2- Laois and Tipperary win

Phase 3
Waterford and Wexford will be in one bowl
Laois and Tipperary will be in another bowl

A draw will be made to determinne pairs

Sanario 5
Waterford and Wexford win Phase 1
Laois and Dublin win phase 2

Phase 3
Wexford vs Laois
Waterford vs Dublin

San 6
Waterford and Wexford win Phase 1
Laois and Kilkenny win phase 2

Waterford and Wexford will be in one bowl
Laois and Kikenny will be in another bowl

A draw will be made to determinne pairs

San 7

Carlow and Waterford win Phase 1
Tipperay and Clare win Phase 2

Phase 3
Waterford vs Tipperary
Carlow vs Clare

San 8
Wexford and Westmeath win Phase 1
Tipperary and Clare win phase 2

Wexford and Westmeath in one bowl
Tipperary and Clare in the other

draw to determine phase 3

cant happen in Phase 3
Waterford vs Clare
Wexford vs Dubin

A draw will only be made if teams in phase I and Phase II have not played each other yet in the championship and it will be Phase 1 teams in one Bowl Phase II teams in another.

PHASE 1 TEAMS CANT PLAY ONE ANOTHER IN PHASE 3
PHASE 2 TEAMS CANT PLAY ONE ANOTHER IN PHASE 3

robopaddy

Waterford minor team v Cork

1. Gavin Power Dungarvan
2. William Hahessey Clonea
3. Kevin Daly Dungarvan CAPTAIN
4. Cian Leamy Ballyduff Upper
5. Tom Devine Modeligo
6. Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
7. Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
8. Conor Gleeson Fourmilewater
9. Michéal Harney Bonmahon
10. Adam Farrell De La Salle
11. Colm Roche Shamrocks
12. Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
13. Patrick Curran Dungarvan
14. Stephen Bennett Ballysaggart
15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper

doz

A strong minor team on paper, should be a terrific game. We will probably be slight favourites but very few sides leave Pairc Ui Rinn without a serious battle. Weather forecast is good too, should attract a big crowd. Nice handy 2 min walk to ground for me also!

Deise_2012

robopaddy wrote: »

Waterford minor team v Cork

1. Gavin Power Dungarvan
2. William Hahessey Clonea
3. Kevin Daly Dungarvan CAPTAIN
4. Cian Leamy Ballyduff Upper
5. Tom Devine Modeligo
6. Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
7. Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
8. Conor Gleeson Fourmilewater
9. Michéal Harney Bonmahon
10. Adam Farrell De La Salle
11. Colm Roche Shamrocks
12. Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
13. Patrick Curran Dungarvan
14. Stephen Bennett Ballysaggart
15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper

Delighted with that team, the only 2 faults I could find from their win over clare was the goalkeeper puck outs and the full back at times. Looks a very strong team best of luck to them!

Mr Tibbs

robopaddy wrote: »

Waterford minor team v Cork

1. Gavin Power Dungarvan
2. William Hahessey Clonea
3. Kevin Daly Dungarvan CAPTAIN
4. Cian Leamy Ballyduff Upper
5. Tom Devine Modeligo
6. Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
7. Shane Bennett Ballysaggart
8. Conor Gleeson Fourmilewater
9. Michéal Harney Bonmahon
10. Adam Farrell De La Salle
11. Colm Roche Shamrocks
12. Cormac Curran Brickey Rangers
13. Patrick Curran Dungarvan
14. Stephen Bennett Ballysaggart
15. Michael Kearney Ballyduff Upper

Best of luck to the Minors on Wednesday evening. It would be a great boost to get a win in Cork. Some lovely talent here so go lads have the belief.

shoddy14

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Delighted with that team, the only 2 faults I could find from their win over clare was the goalkeeper puck outs and the full back at times. Looks a very strong team best of luck to them!

Anyone else find it intresting that it's 4 western players replacing 4 eastern ones? Maybe common sense prevailing in the end.

robopaddy

shoddy14 wrote: »

Anyone else find it intresting that it's 4 western players replacing 4 eastern ones? Maybe common sense prevailing in the end.

no words can describe how moronic that post is

Cake Man

That's a strong minor team, lethal FF line of Curran, Bennett and Kearney. Plenty of ball winners in Gleeson, Cormac Curran, Roche and Harney. Should be a good game and we have a good shout to win on Wednesday.
Best of luck to the lads.

DeiseX

shoddy14 wrote: »

Anyone else find it intresting that it's 4 western players replacing 4 eastern ones? Maybe common sense prevailing in the end.

So....how are things back in the Stone Age then?

noiniho

robopaddy wrote: »

no words can describe how moronic that post is

Moronic is too kind a term

Black Suir

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Delighted with that team, the only 2 faults I could find from their win over clare was the goalkeeper puck outs and the full back at times. Looks a very strong team best of luck to them!

Maybe that is why there was changes in these positions.

I have not seen the keeper that was used in the games with Tipperary and Clare with his club, but does anyone know if it is true that he does not play in goal for Clonea and seldom if ever has. The Keeper this time out does play there for Dungarvan and for the Colleges and is bound to be a plus going into the game. Delighted to see Kevin Daly back in as well. Don't know why he was left out the last day. He is a very good player. Having Bennett back in the forwards after his lay off is also a plus for Waterford.

Horseboxhead

quickest route from dungarvan to pitch when i hit cork?, rather than going through the city out south douglas road, thanks.

robopaddy

Horseboxhead wrote: »

quickest route from dungarvan to pitch when i hit cork?, rather than going through the city out south douglas road, thanks.

Id say under the tunnell and turn off for Mahon as you would going to Pairc Ui Caoimh

Giveitfong

Horseboxhead wrote: »

quickest route from dungarvan to pitch when i hit cork?, rather than going through the city out south douglas road, thanks.

Turn left at the Dunkettle Interchange (first traffic lights on way into Cork) and go through the Jack Lynch tunnel. Take the first exit, turn right over the dual carriageway and carry on to a major junction (just past modern Ordnance Survey and Central Statistics Office office buildings on the right). Turn left here (onto Skehard Road) and then right at the next main junction onto Church Road. Carry on to T junction with Blackrock Road and turn left. At the Venue pub (is it still called that?) which is on the left, turn right down Maryville. You will see Páirc Uí Chaoimh at the bottom of the hill in front of you. You might be better off to park up around the Venue and walk down to the pitch.

Glad to see the team has a goalkeeper (and an experienced one at that) in goal and they have found room for Conor Gleeson in midfield. Slightly surprised there is no place for DJ Foran (good ball winner) but he is a hell of a sub to be able to bring on. This is a good team but, to my knowledge, Waterford have never won an underage match against Cork in Cork and have repeatedly failed to turn up on the night, even when they had very good teams on paper. If the management can get their heads right, they certainly are capable of getting through here.

Giveitfong

I've just realised the game is on in Páirc Uí Rinn rather than Páirc Uí Chaoimh. This might suit Waterford as it is a less intimidating venue for visiting teams.

As regards directions and going back to my previous post, having turned left onto the Skehard Road, rather than turning right onto Church Road, continue straight on until you come to a big roundabout. Turn right here up Ballinlough Road, past Cork Constitution rugby ground (on left). Páirc Uí Rinn is just down to the left at the top of the hill. There is a big pub (I think it's called The Silver Key) on the left as you go up the hill from the roundabout which is a good place for a prematch pint or sandwich. Probably best to park around here too.

deiseach

Giveitfong wrote: »

This is a good team but, to my knowledge, Waterford have never won an underage match against Cork in Cork.

Your knowledge, unsurprisingly, is correct.





(Of course I could be wrong, but I'm always open to correction.)

robopaddy

deiseach wrote: »

Your knowledge, unsurprisingly, is correct.





(Of course I could be wrong, but I'm always open to correction.)

2010 is wrong we beat Cork in Walsh Park in a replay that year, only to lose the Munster final to Clare 4 days later

Fireball07

robopaddy wrote: »

2010 is wrong we beat Cork in Walsh Park in a replay that year, only to lose the Munster final to Clare 4 days later

Talking about in Cork though....

doz

Tomorrow is as good a time as any for that record to end. This is a very confident and talented group of players who will have no fear of Cork. It is potentially one of the strongest minor teams we have had in my view and am delighted that we now seem to be putting our strongest XV on the pitch, something which for whatever reason we haven't been doing in previous years. If we can feed that full forward line there will be goals. Hon the Deise!

deiseach

doz wrote: »

If we can feed that full forward line there will be goals

Get them on the senior panel NOW!

Hslaw

deiseach wrote: »

Get them on the senior panel NOW!

lol

and the funny thin about it they probably will call some of these young lads up in a year or two

doz

There is no doubt in most people's minds that there are definitely at least 5-6 of these lads who have the potential to make the step up. I won't go through names as I don't believe it's right to be hyping lads at that age or indeed not mentioning others who may well make it but I would be very excited about the future potential of some of these lads. What I particularly like is that we have some good old fashioned physical players among this group, something badly lacking in the senior squad. I can only hope that we work them through the systems correctly rather than just firing them onto the senior panel straight from minor and get the very best out of them.

deiseach

doz wrote: »

There is no doubt in most people's minds that there are definitely at least 5-6 of these lads who have the potential to make the step up. I won't go through names as I don't believe it's right to be hyping lads

But you don't mind getting my hopes up. If we don't have a forward line consisting of six ballet-dancers built like brick sh!thouses in three years time, I'll be gunning for you!

robopaddy

Fireball07 wrote: »

Talking about in Cork though....

Just thought Id clarify it seeing as it was up in black and white

deiseach

robopaddy wrote: »

Just thought Id clarify it seeing as it was up in black and white

:rolleyes: