Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Tarzann

What do we think about Waterford v London this Sun at 1pm?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Waterford/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=166355

hardybuck

abbeysideFB4L wrote: »

Waterford Minor Football team vs Clare
14th April 6:45 Ennis

1.Andrew Kirwan (Stradbally)
2.Darragh Fitzgerald (Dungarvan)
3.Brian Looby (Ballinacourty)
4.Steven Hally (Geraldines)
5.Tom Devine (Modeligo)
6.Tadhg Burke (Clashmore)
7.Jamie Barron (C) (An Rinn)
8.Micheal Casey (Dunhill)
9.Martin Houlihan (Brickey Rangers)
10.Michael Curry (Rathgormack)
11.Michael Kiely (St.Marys)
12.Sean O'Donovan (Modeligo)
13.Adam O'Donoghue (Gaultier)
14.Paul O'Conner (Clashmore)
15.Ryan Donnelly (Dungarvan)

The top 4 minor clubs in the county currently only have four players between them? What is the reason behind that?

premierstone

Cake Man wrote: »

Ha sorry, John Dee!

Was only keeping scores in my head but I got Waterford 0-21 Tipp 1-21 in the minor challenge game at St. Mollerans last night.


Tipp much the better team in the first half, winning all the 50:50's and cleaning out all over the field. Before Waterford knew they were in a game, they were 1-6 to 0-1 down. Half time score I think was something like 1-13 to 0-8 and not looking good from a Waterford perspective.
Second half Waterford were much improved and began to eat into Tipps lead, which was up to 10pts at one stage. The last twenty minutes Waterford dominated, with Stephen Bennett coming on and scoring a few points. Waterford got it back to a point but Tipp got the last score to seal it.


Plenty of positives to be taken from it. The first half performance was fairly flat but the second half saw a big improvement with Waterford showing good character to fight their way back into it. 21 points isn't bad scoring either but we didn't get much of a sniff of a goal all game. The wet and greasy conditions made it difficult at times with some poor wides on both sides. Some loose marking typical of a challenge game.
Couldn't say what the team was with no programme/teamsheet available but it was mainly the Colaiste na Deise lads-Eoin Kearns (made a great one-on-one save second half when a Tipp goal would have finished the contest) , Tadgh Burke (solid and tidy defender), Colin Dunford, Michael Harney, Kieran Power, Cathal Curran (did well, dryer and firmer ground will suit him come championship). Shane McNulty and Adam O'Sullivan from DLS also played and as mentioned, Stephen Bennett came on and did well.

This day three weeks, it'll be Clare in the first round of the minor championship in Ennis.

Hi Cakeman, I have only been talking to afew Tipp lads that were at the game and well, some of them can be very biased if you will, can you give me your impression of the Tipp centre back from what you saw??

jupiterjack

Tarzann wrote: »

What do we think about Waterford v London this Sun at 1pm?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Waterford/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=166355

its a game they should win, had two great away wins over wicklow and limerick and with a bit of luck they could have beaten fermanagh and carlow at home, last weeks game was a bit of an experimental game with the championship in mind so it depends perhaps on the team that is put out.

solarith

Mountainlad wrote: »

Read through that the other day, some laugh! Good idea I guess, think a hurling one would be more popular though!

The hurling fraternity would just descend into a chaos of moaning and eventually demand the game be removed

abbeysideFB4L

hardybuck wrote: »

The top 4 minor clubs in the county currently only have four players between them? What is the reason behind that?

Well really the top 4 minor clubs this year are Dungarvan, St. Pats, Rathgormack and Ballinacourty. Which have 7 players starting (St.Pats include St.Marys and Modeligo)

Mountainlad

solarith wrote: »

The hurling fraternity would just descend into a chaos of moaning and eventually demand the game be removed

Haha you're probably right

hardybuck

abbeysideFB4L wrote: »

Well really the top 4 minor clubs this year are Dungarvan, St. Pats, Rathgormack and Ballinacourty. Which have 7 players starting (St.Pats include St.Marys and Modeligo)

I looked at the tables and saw that Gaultier were ahead of Ballinacourty? Wasn't sure about the whole St.Pats situation either.

I also continue to wonder at what is going on with the lack of representation from the city clubs. I refuse to believe that there isn't lads good enough there, and if it really is true there should be some action plan to increase participation levels.

Royal Legend

hardybuck wrote: »

I looked at the tables and saw that Gaultier were ahead of Ballinacourty? Wasn't sure about the whole St.Pats situation either.

I also continue to wonder at what is going on with the lack of representation from the city clubs. I refuse to believe that there isn't lads good enough there, and if it really is true there should be some action plan to increase participation levels.

There are always plenty of good lads in the city, the issue mainly is that either the clubs they represent want them to play hurling 1st and also other commitments such as soccer, rugby etc. There is not much mas on football in the city underage, De la salle, Roanmore always turn out decent footballers, but like I said, there is no support from the clubs to push players towards playing inter county, especially as they see it impinging on the hurling. Just my opinion by the way.

Cake Man

premierstone wrote: »

Hi Cakeman, I have only been talking to afew Tipp lads that were at the game and well, some of them can be very biased if you will, can you give me your impression of the Tipp centre back from what you saw??

Ronan Maher, he was very good and I thought himself and the centre forward stood out for Tipp. Good under the high ball and won and played a lot of ball. Was there to tidy up at the back when needed. Younger brother of Paudric I believe?

deisebhoy17

hardybuck wrote: »

The top 4 minor clubs in the county currently only have four players between them? What is the reason behind that?

the reason is that the team was picked on each players ability as opposed to which cub theyre from :rolleyes:

premierstone

Cake Man wrote: »

Ronan Maher, he was very good and I thought himself and the centre forward stood out for Tipp. Good under the high ball and won and played a lot of ball. Was there to tidy up at the back when needed. Younger brother of Paudric I believe?

Yeah he is the younger brother of himself alright, anytime I have seen him I have been very very impressed, he doesnt quite have Padraic's physical stature (yet) but he is a fine hurler and only 16 too!

DublinGAA96

Have to say lads I'm really looking forward to the Clare game. How many weeks now? How are people feelin, are ye confident? I think Waterford will pull it out of the bag, Davy may know the players like the back of his hand but Waterford just have that extra bit of experience of playing in big games. Will be a really tough and physical game I'd say, don't you know Davy is training them like madmen and having them eat raw meat! He'll have his players well wound up. Roll on June.

mccarthy37

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Have to say lads I'm really looking forward to the Clare game. How many weeks now? How are people feelin, are ye confident? I think Waterford will pull it out of the bag, Davy may know the players like the back of his hand but Waterford just have that extra bit of experience of playing in big games. Will be a really tough and physical game I'd say, don't you know Davy is training them like madmen and having them eat raw meat! He'll have his players well wound up. Roll on June.

We we all know Davy and his tactics very well down here. I wonder will he try the same tactics he used against Limerick which would really shock us as he said before leaving us that he really really really loves us. I'm glad Ken McGrath is on the sideline for this one. Should be a very interesting encounter with the result to hard to forecast yet. Clare had a very impressive win over Limerick last week but Kilkenny will be a different kettle of fish and we all know cats love eating fish. John Allen's words coming up to the 1B encounter are still ringing in my ears This game is a poison chalice for whoever wins. That's going to be an interesting game also for all us nuetrals

deisebhoy17

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

Have to say lads I'm really looking forward to the Clare game. How many weeks now? How are people feelin, are ye confident? I think Waterford will pull it out of the bag, Davy may know the players like the back of his hand but Waterford just have that extra bit of experience of playing in big games. Will be a really tough and physical game I'd say, don't you know Davy is training them like madmen and having them eat raw meat! He'll have his players well wound up. Roll on June.

We know what to expect from Davy and Clare, people are saying they will be a surprise package but I dont expect too many surprises. Theyll be well riled up and finish the game very strongly like waterford did under Davy.

From our own point of view Im not quite sure where we stand at the moment. Theres a long break between now and then and who knows what can happen in that period. Its brilliant that we escaped relegation but I hope its not just papering over any cracks. Lets not forget we were awful the first 3 games of the league and only escaped because Dublin fielded their reserve team against us in our do or die relegation game. The win over Galway was the highlight gave us all hope that we are there or thereabouts but are we judging ourselves on one good win or 3 bad defeats?
To answer your question yes I am really looking forward to it because Im looking forward to seeing the real waterford. We certainly havent seen that yet under this management. Its the not knowing what this is that has made me more excited about a championship than I have been for a few seasons now, and what type of side we'll be and what gameplan we'll have is anyones guess. Im hoping that the change of backroom staff has ironed out any issues holding us back and the stage is now set

Cake Man

The U21's played Cork in a challenge in Midleton today, anyone know how they got on? Score, lineout, report anything?

suitcasepink

Cake Man wrote: »

The U21's played Cork in a challenge in Midleton today, anyone know how they got on? Score, lineout, report anything?

I just had a look on the Cork website, no real details just that Cork were "Well beaten" which is promising.. But would be more promising if we knew scores/teams/etc :pac:

scoring forward

deise_girl wrote: »

I just had a look on the Cork website, no real details just that Cork were "Well beaten" which is promising.. But would be more promising if we knew scores/teams/etc :pac:

Waterford won 2 18 to 1 12.Team D DUGGAN,Barron,O keefe,Wyse,Dee, NOT JIM,fives,p pender,dillon,j pender,power,murphy ohalloran,murray,o neill,o brien.

mccarthy37

Minor football result Clare 2.20 Waterford 0.6. A comprehensive beating following the drumming our under 21's got in Tralee. Pity to see this happening where to go from here is the big question now.

deisebhoy17

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Minor football result Clare 2.20 Waterford 0.6. A comprehensive beating following the drumming our under 21's got in Tralee. Pity to see this happening where to go from here is the big question now.

Very worrying. Its one thing to loose that much to a Cork or Kerry but in recent seasons we seem to be slipping behind the likes of Clare and Tipp aswell, counties we would traditionally have been on par with. I know Jackson Kiely, Conor Phelan & Co. had good work done with them and it will very dissapointing for them

Mountainlad

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Very worrying. Its one thing to loose that much to a Cork or Kerry but in recent seasons we seem to be slipping behind the likes of Clare and Tipp aswell, counties we would traditionally have been on par with. I know Jackson Kiely, Conor Phelan & Co. had good work done with them and it will very dissapointing for them

I know Mickey Ned O'Sullivan is training the Kerry minors. They had gym programmes from about November, and they have 4/5 sessions/matches a week since January. That is the level required, but there isn't a hope in hell we are doing anything of the sort. Mainly the boards fault, you can understand with the financial problems that matching that would be difficult but they have to show some innovation and find a way of competing and producing footballers with out spending big. That, unfortuantely, would require a lot of thought, far more than people have the will to put in.

jupiterjack

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Minor football result Clare 2.20 Waterford 0.6. A comprehensive beating following the drumming our under 21's got in Tralee. Pity to see this happening where to go from here is the big question now.

this is some what of a disgrace this results tonight. the work may have been put in but thats not much good if it is not underpinned by a good foundation structure. for both the u21s and minor to go the same way, the county board need to be blamed for these two results and if they are unable to promote all codes of gaelic games they perhaps need to step down..

Mountainlad

scoring forward wrote: »

Waterford won 2 18 to 1 12.Team D DUGGAN,Barron,O keefe,Wyse,Dee, NOT JIM,fives,p pender,dillon,j pender,power,murphy ohalloran,murray,o neill,o brien.

Any ideas on the Cork team? Conceivable that they were missing Lehane, Cahalane, Sweetnam and Coughlan given their Senior team is still in the league.

Good to hear we're winning all the same.

Cake Man

Mountainlad wrote: »

Any ideas on the Cork team? Conceivable that they were missing Lehane, Cahalane, Sweetnam and Coughlan given their Senior team is still in the league.

Good to hear we're winning all the same.

Yeah was thinking as much myself. To be fair, we'd have a few ourselves to go into that team, namely Paudric and Philip Mahony and Soky O'Keeffe. Looking at that team, Jake Dillon hardly started midfield? U21's not out until July I think so plenty of time to continue preparations but good result today, well done lads.

As for the minor footballers, the trend of taking hammerings continues. Doesn't look good at all.

Orizio

Mountainlad wrote: »

Any ideas on the Cork team? Conceivable that they were missing Lehane, Cahalane, Sweetnam and Coughlan given their Senior team is still in the league.

Good to hear we're winning all the same.

Cork were missing about half of their team, although its hard to tell. Waterford were missing the two O'Mahonys, I thought Prendergast and Murphy were excellent for ye, your touch and conditioning was a lot better then ours.

deisebhoy17

jupiterjack wrote: »

this is some what of a disgrace this results tonight. the work may have been put in but thats not much good if it is not underpinned by a good foundation structure. for both the u21s and minor to go the same way, the county board need to be blamed for these two results and if they are unable to promote all codes of gaelic games they perhaps need to step down..

Its not going to get any better. We play Kerry next in the knockout qualifier, they were beaten by Tipp 2-09 to 0-08. Further underlines how far behind were falling why cant we aim to do what Tipp are doing

In relation to the County Board I think they are doing their best in the current difficult circumstances, its the administration of the previous county board which has left Waterford football in the doldrums. Im not going to mention names because we know who was running it but the treatment of football was a disgrace. One year we didnt even finish our county championship on time to the the extent we didnt have any representative in the Munster club championship... this was unforgiveable considering we had been as competitive as any other county in the club championship at the time. Had that happened to the hurling champions their would have been a rebellion. They were obsessed with Waterford winning an AI hurling championship and didnt want to leave any stone unturned and football was just something that got in their way and tossed to one side. Were seeing the effects of that now

Cake Man

The minor hurlers play Cork in a challenge match later at 6pm in Fraher Field.

mccarthy37

For anybody who is interested you can listen to the Galway v Dublin match live on Galway Bay FM start 2.30

mccarthy37

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Its not going to get any better. We play Kerry next in the knockout qualifier, they were beaten by Tipp 2-09 to 0-08. Further underlines how far behind were falling why cant we aim to do what Tipp are doing

In relation to the County Board I think they are doing their best in the current difficult circumstances, its the administration of the previous county board which has left Waterford football in the doldrums. Im not going to mention names because we know who was running it but the treatment of football was a disgrace. One year we didnt even finish our county championship on time to the the extent we didnt have any representative in the Munster club championship... this was unforgiveable considering we had been as competitive as any other county in the club championship at the time. Had that happened to the hurling champions their would have been a rebellion. They were obsessed with Waterford winning an AI hurling championship and didnt want to leave any stone unturned and football was just something that got in their way and tossed to one side. Were seeing the effects of that now

Things certainly are not getting better. Waterford 0.9 l London 0.9 and this game was in Dungarvan.:mad:

Orizio

Cake Man wrote: »

The minor hurlers play Cork in a challenge match later at 6pm in Fraher Field.

Anyone heading to this?

hardybuck

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Things certainly are not getting better. Waterford 0.9 l London 0.9 and this game was in Dungarvan.:mad:

Disappointing to see Wicklow going up as we beat them again this year as we normally do. Was there another experimental line up put out today or what, we beat London quite easily in championship last year.

Cake Man

Orizio wrote: »

Anyone heading to this?

Waterford 1-19 Cork 0-17

Good display by Waterford, particularly second half. Best on show were Shane McNulty, Stephen Bennett (got about 1-4), Kieran Power, Colin Dunford and Austin Gleeson.

Orizio

Thanks, any word on who played well for Cork Cake Man?

Deise Doodler

Cake Man wrote: »

Waterford 1-19 Cork 0-17

Good display by Waterford, particularly second half. Best on show were Shane McNulty, Stephen Bennett (got about 1-4), Kieran Power, Colin Dunford and Austin Gleeson.

Much improved on the tipp display last week, though I think Tipp look a better side than Cork , would add corner back ( Tadgh de burke) and Dunford's midfield partner( lad from Ballygunner i think), would worry about McNulty up against a more phisical centre forward though , plenty of hurling and good dilivery but suspect under high ball,

Cake Man

Orizio wrote: »

Thanks, any word on who played well for Cork Cake Man?

I couldn't give you names as there wasn't any programs or teamsheet but if it's of any use, I thought the centre forward with a white helmet called Kevin was good, as was the centre back (big lad with green helmet). The full forward got a few nice scores aswell.

Much improved on the tipp display last week, though I think Tipp look a better side than Cork , would add corner back ( Tadgh de burke) and Dunford's midfield partner( lad from Ballygunner i think), would worry about McNulty up against a more phisical centre forward though , plenty of hurling and good dilivery but suspect under high ball,

Yeah Burke was good aswell, not sure who that was midfield with Dunford, Ian Kenny maybe?
Very impressed with goalkeeper Eoin Kearns, his puckouts and distribution is excellent. Huge advantage to have a keeper able to put a ball into the hand of a player 30-80 yards up field and this resulted in plenty of Waterford attacks that yielded scores.
Adam O'Sullivan also did well when introduced.

Royal Legend

Cake Man wrote: »

I couldn't give you names as there wasn't any programs or teamsheet but if it's of any use, I thought the centre forward with a white helmet called Kevin was good, as was the centre back (big lad with green helmet). The full forward got a few nice scores aswell.



Yeah Burke was good aswell, not sure who that was midfield with Dunford, Ian Kenny maybe?
Very impressed with goalkeeper Eoin Kearns, his puckouts and distribution is excellent. Huge advantage to have a keeper able to put a ball into the hand of a player 30-80 yards up field and this resulted in plenty of Waterford attacks that yielded scores.
Adam O'Sullivan also did well when introduced.

I thought Ian Kenny was overage?

Orizio

Cake Man wrote: »

I couldn't give you names as there wasn't any programs or teamsheet but if it's of any use, I thought the centre forward with a white helmet called Kevin was good, as was the centre back (big lad with green helmet). The full forward got a few nice scores aswell.

Cheers, center-forward was Kevin O'Neill presumably.

Anyone else that was there happen to have the Cork team or some more info on them? Big ask I know.

Cake Man

Royal Legend wrote: »

I thought Ian Kenny was overage?

Not sure tbh, I just picked up on what Deise Doodler said about the player possibly being from Ballygunner. Not sure who was midfield with Colin Dunford.

Deise Doodler

Cake Man wrote: »

I couldn't give you names as there wasn't any programs or teamsheet but if it's of any use, I thought the centre forward with a white helmet called Kevin was good, as was the centre back (big lad with green helmet). The full forward got a few nice scores aswell.



Yeah Burke was good aswell, not sure who that was midfield with Dunford, Ian Kenny maybe?
Very impressed with goalkeeper Eoin Kearns, his puckouts and distribution is excellent. Huge advantage to have a keeper able to put a ball into the hand of a player 30-80 yards up field and this resulted in plenty of Waterford attacks that yielded scores.
Adam O'Sullivan also did well when introduced.

Kearns did very well, great vision, intellegent and accurate puckouts, also organised and encoraged his backs well, pretty sure it was't kenny could be wrong about the Ballergunner link

Orizio

Did Waterford have their full-team out? Cork were missing their three or so dual players apparently.

solarith

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Things certainly are not getting better. Waterford 0.9 l London 0.9 and this game was in Dungarvan.:mad:

Incomprehendable performance, I'm sorry for the 10-15 people who paid to see it.

hardybuck

Congratulations to Waterford's Kevin Ryan on guiding Carlow to the Division 2A title yesterday. Steady improvement in thier standard during his time there.

Deise Doodler

Orizio wrote: »

Did Waterford have their full-team out? Cork were missing their three or so dual players apparently.

Depends on what you would consider full team, think they had a full panel to draw from, but looking at some of the subs who came on, would think there are certainly positions up for grabs

glick6

Challenge game this Saturday against Wexford. Think Offaly are up the week after. I'd like to see good strong teams named against those sides. Looking at Dublin Galway drawing and having to play again as well as Clare beating Limerick to get another game, we need to really make the most of the challenges between now and June.

Cake Man

glick6 wrote: »

Challenge game this Saturday against Wexford. Think Offaly are up the week after. I'd like to see good strong teams named against those sides. Looking at Dublin Galway drawing and having to play again as well as Clare beating Limerick to get another game, we need to really make the most of the challenges between now and June.

Any idea where and what time glick?

Depends on what you would consider full team, think they had a full panel to draw from, but looking at some of the subs who came on, would think there are certainly positions up for grabs

Yeah that's probably true, I would say the majority of the 15 are known and that's what it should be 2 weeks before championship starts.

suitcasepink

glick6 wrote: »

Challenge game this Saturday against Wexford. Think Offaly are up the week after. I'd like to see good strong teams named against those sides. Looking at Dublin Galway drawing and having to play again as well as Clare beating Limerick to get another game, we need to really make the most of the challenges between now and June.

D'ya know where its on or anymore details on it?


On another note anyone know why the Mahoneys didnt play for the U21s in the last 2 challenge games?

Cake Man

deise_girl wrote: »

On another note anyone know why the Mahoneys didnt play for the U21s in the last 2 challenge games?

Injured as far as I know. Not sure what the extent or when they'll be back but I'd imagine soon enough.

Mountainlad

glick6 wrote: »

Challenge game this Saturday against Wexford. Think Offaly are up the week after. I'd like to see good strong teams named against those sides. Looking at Dublin Galway drawing and having to play again as well as Clare beating Limerick to get another game, we need to really make the most of the challenges between now and June.

All the players from football clubs will be missing this Saturday, Intermediate included.

seananigans

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

that goalkeeper Ray Barry was from Passage. That current minor hurler is lismore different family entirely. Wouldnt take that Damien Tiernan book as pure gospel either. Growler had plenty chances but kept letting himself and teamates down in club games getting sent off for dirty strokes and off the ball stuff. Didnt have the mentality for intercounty imo
I think Moloney was a victim of burnout and too much hype. Completely different thing. He was playing minor for Waterford aged only 14 and its ironic that he never made it past minor. it was way too much too soon and I think lessons should be learned from it

Ray Barry was one for skipping training to go to the pub,what really irked managment was when he got others to come with him .(so my dad tells me,my Dad being his cousin).

I can't speak about the barry minor but Ray barry was one of 16 so might be the same family(Bobby Barry his brother runs a restaurant in Dungarvan off the square).

On a side note,his mother was an O'Sullivan who would have been a first cousin of Shane O'Sullivan's grandfather(small county I know),so Ray and Shane would be First cousin's once removed,as would Billy O'Sullivan,and twice removed to Paudie/Phillip Mahony

deisebhoy17

seananigans wrote: »

Ray Barry was one for skipping training to go to the pub,what really irked managment was when he got others to come with him .(so my dad tells me,my Dad being his cousin).

I can't speak about the barry minor but Ray barry was one of 16 so might be the same family(Bobby Barry his brother runs a restaurant in Dungarvan off the square).

On a side note,his mother was an O'Sullivan who would have been a first cousin of Shane O'Sullivan's grandfather(small county I know),so Ray and Shane would be First cousin's once removed,as would Billy O'Sullivan,and twice removed to Paudie/Phillip Mahony

Shur Id say pat sullivan could lay claim to breeding half the hurlers down that neck of the woods the auld divil;)!