Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

hardybuck

solarith wrote: »

Groups of 6, 5 games each minumum. Groups of 8 with playoff, 8 games each minimum. If there were weekends freely available to play the games currently, then they would be played on them - there's a reason it takes until Oct to get to the finals.

Group of 6, play five games, then enter either knockout - for the majority of teams they get a minimum of 6 games. In this they'll get a minimum of two more - apologies.

I'm have no experience with fixtures scheduling, but if we compare the amount of games played in Waterford compared to other counties, we play far less over the year. You either do the above, or play less championship games and far more league games.

solarith

hardybuck wrote: »

Group of 6, play five games, then enter either knockout - for the majority of teams they get a minimum of 6 games. In this they'll get a minimum of two more - apologies.

I'm have no experience with fixtures scheduling, but if we compare the amount of games played in Waterford compared to other counties, we play far less over the year. You either do the above, or play less championship games and far more league games.

We do, but from what I see is that most top clubs are affected by both hurling and football which leads to problems. So for many clubs that's 10-12 championship games per Summer, then factoring in avoiding the end of national league and championship games.. well it's not hard to see where the time goes! I honestly think the co board should fix 1 or 2 min-week games per team per championship. If they game enough notice (4 weeks+), then it should generally avoid work conflicts.

edit - there should definitely be more league games. A league game every Sunday morning like is done in soccer, for example. Start in Feb and run it out every second week with football until April, then another batch in the mid Summer when co teams take over for 6 weeks (like now).

hurler on de ditch

PTH2009 wrote: »

What would youre team for the final be ???.

Tipp are going to be an unreal experience for the newer lads so id go for some expeienced players to start

1 S O Keefe

2 W Hutchinson
3 L Lawlor
4 N Connors

5 R Foley
6 M Walsh
7 T Browne

8 K Moran
9 S Molumphy

10 M Shanahan
11 S Prendergast
12 E Kelly

13 J Mullane
14 S Walsh
15 T Ryan

Last year massacare in the same venue against the same oppisition will be a motivating factor for us imo.

Hopefully a repeat of last year is not on the cards

thanks be to god your not picking the team so

hardybuck

solarith wrote: »

We do, but from what I see is that most top clubs are affected by both hurling and football which leads to problems. So for many clubs that's 10-12 championship games per Summer, then factoring in avoiding the end of national league and championship games.. well it's not hard to see where the time goes! I honestly think the co board should fix 1 or 2 min-week games per team per championship. If they game enough notice (4 weeks+), then it should generally avoid work conflicts.

edit - there should definitely be more league games. A league game every Sunday morning like is done in soccer, for example. Start in Feb and run it out every second week with football until April, then another batch in the mid Summer when co teams take over for 6 weeks (like now).

If you take a county like Dublin, pretty much all the main clubs challenging for the senior football title will be challenging for the senior hurling also - the likes of St.Brigids, St.Vincents, Ballyboden etc. They have competitive games every two weeks, which is something most Waterford players can only dream of at this stage.

solarith

hardybuck wrote: »

If you take a county like Dublin, pretty much all the main clubs challenging for the senior football title will be challenging for the senior hurling also - the likes of St.Brigids, St.Vincents, Ballyboden etc. They have competitive games every two weeks, which is something most Waterford players can only dream of at this stage.

I'd love to see how their fixtures work between club/county etc

hardybuck

solarith wrote: »

I'd love to see how their fixtures work between club/county etc

They can make use of midweek games as everyone is typically based in Dublin, but even still, they play several multiples of the games played in Waterford.

deisebhoy17

Looking very likely now that the co. board are to put forward a motion for the Munster Hurling Final to be played in Thurles. It needs something like a 2/3 vote to be passed at Munster council. Dont see why there would be many objections, bar maybe from Clare/Limerick who mightened want to vote their minors to be playing Tipp in their own backyard should they get through.

I know people have their preferences for Thurles, I prefer the venue also. But we had the same scenario a couple years back when th co. board were looking to play cork in pairc ui caoimh in exchange for cash. This is the same motive and nothing else so dont anyone cod themselves that the co. board aredoing this for any other reason

Mountainlad

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Looking very likely now that the co. board are to put forward a motion for the Munster Hurling Final to be played in Thurles. It needs something like a 2/3 vote to be passed at Munster council. Dont see why there would be many objections, bar maybe from Clare/Limerick who mightened want to vote their minors to be playing Tipp in their own backyard should they get through.

I know people have their preferences for Thurles, I prefer the venue also. But we had the same scenario a couple years back when th co. board were looking to play cork in pairc ui caoimh in exchange for cash. This is the same motive and nothing else so dont anyone cod themselves that the co. board aredoing this for any other reason

I think Cork will definitely object. They don't have a valid case given the state their stadium is in a the moment, but they do have a big influence in the Munster Council.

Doesn't bother me what the County Board's reasons are, I'd be grateful to them if they insured a better match experience for the supporters. Only thing is if we lose, we'll have to travel through Tipp the whole way home, but then if we were to win that would be pretty sweet!

GoldFour4

****e

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/waterford-hoping-for-munster-final-switch-from-pairc-to-semple-499335-Jun2012/

deisebhoy17

Mountainlad wrote: »

I think Cork will definitely object. They don't have a valid case given the state their stadium is in a the moment, but they do have a big influence in the Munster Council.

Doesn't bother me what the County Board's reasons are, I'd be grateful to them if they insured a better match experience for the supporters. Only thing is if we lose, we'll have to travel through Tipp the whole way home, but then if we were to win that would be pretty sweet!

Fingers crossed for the minors on wednesday night. its a big ask but if the minors got there aswell it would really add to the occasion and get a bigger deise crowd. If Tipp are in both it will be like a party were not invited to

Black Suir

http://munster.gaa.ie/2012/06/25/munster-gaa-press-release/


Munster Council Statement on the Munster Hurling Final.

Did the Waterford County Board really think the Munster Council would vote to change the venue, after they tried to have it changed behind their backs in the recent past.


Statement:
The Munster CCC met this evening in the Munster GAA offices in Limerick and made the following decisions pertaining to upcoming Munster Finals.




Munster Final Venues
•Munster Senior Hurling Championship Final – Tipperary v Waterford – Sunday July 15th at 4:00pm in Pairc Ui Chaoimh
•Munster Junior Football Championship Final – Kerry v Clare – Wednesday July 11th at 7:30pm in Miltown-Malbay
•Munster Intermediate Hurling Championship Final – Tipperary v Clare – Wednesday July 25th at 7:30pm in MacDonagh Park Nenagh

Munster Senior Finals – Venue Process explained

The venue permutations for the Munster Senior Finals in Hurling and Football are decided annually in advance of the semi-finals of each competition. The Munster Controls Competition Committee (CCC) met on Thursday June 7th and decided on all permutations for both the hurling and football finals. It is normal practice that a neutral venue would be decided upon in the event that no agreement was in place between the competing counties. In the case of a possible Tipperary v Waterford Munster SHC Final, as no agreement was in place between Tipperary and Waterford ahead of that June 7th CCC meeting, Pairc Ui Chaoimh was agreed as the proposed venue, a decision made with the consent and knowledge of all CCC delegates of the Munster counties.

Once a fixture decision has been made by the Munster CCC, any subsequent change requires a two-thirds majority. As a result of correspondence received this afternoon (Monday) from Waterford County Board requesting a change to the original venue for the Muster Senior Hurling Final fixture, a specially convened meeting of the Munster CCC was held tonight and reaffirmed the decision made on June 7th (to fix the Munster Senior Hurling final for Pairc Ui Chaoimh) on a vote of 8 to 2.

Munster Management Meeting

At a meeting of the Munster Management committee on Thursday June 21st, it was agreed to reduce the prices of the Munster Senior Hurling and Munster Senior Football Finals by €5 on all normal Adult tickets to the Covered Stand, Uncovered Stand and Terrace to those who purchase their tickets in advance (up to the day before the final).

Patrons purchasing tickets on the day of the match will pay the top line price. Further details will be circulated to clubs, county boards and online in the coming days.

nkay1985

malachyscott wrote: »

****e

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/waterford-hoping-for-munster-final-switch-from-pairc-to-semple-499335-Jun2012/

Balls on it anyway. How Páirc Uí Caoimh is allowed to be a venue is beyond me. Will rule a lot of fans out of going unfortunately, myself probably included.

Black Suir

hardybuck wrote: »

If you take a county like Dublin, pretty much all the main clubs challenging for the senior football title will be challenging for the senior hurling also - the likes of St.Brigids, St.Vincents, Ballyboden etc. They have competitive games every two weeks, which is something most Waterford players can only dream of at this stage.

Whats needed in Waterford is someone who can think for themselves. Since Timmy O'Keeffe came in as County Secretary he has tried in fairness to him. He tried to introduce a premier Intermediate Championship but the clubs and divisional boards did not want it. He tried to enter into home and away arrangements with the other Munster Counties by maybe using Nolan Park as a home venue, but too many refused to take their blinkers off to see the benefits. Local politics also entered it - we wont cross the bridge and all that sh!te, and it appears he is in favour of all county competitions but it seems to be over our dead bodies with the divisional boards and their lecturing of the clubs and as good as telling them what to do. There is need to get rid of a lot of people in the running of the GAA in Waterford and fast, but its not going to happen any time soon. Until it does happen, we are going to be stuck in the dark ages compared to some counties and how they run their affairs.

deisebhoy17

nkay1985 wrote: »

Balls on it anyway. How Páirc Uí Caoimh is allowed to be a venue is beyond me. Will rule a lot of fans out of going unfortunately, myself probably included.

ah come off it its not that bad. are u a supporter or not. at the end of the day Thurles is Tipps backyard....

Black Suir

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Looking very likely now that the co. board are to put forward a motion for the Munster Hurling Final to be played in Thurles. It needs something like a 2/3 vote to be passed at Munster council. Dont see why there would be many objections, bar maybe from Clare/Limerick who mightened want to vote their minors to be playing Tipp in their own backyard should they get through.

I know people have their preferences for Thurles, I prefer the venue also. But we had the same scenario a couple years back when th co. board were looking to play cork in pairc ui caoimh in exchange for cash. This is the same motive and nothing else so dont anyone cod themselves that the co. board aredoing this for any other reason

Do you know what the Munster Final potentially is worth to the Cork County Board. There is not a cats chance in hell that Frank Murphy would allow it to be played outside of Cork. As things have worked out, even Tipp voted to play the game in Cork. Does that tell us how the Munster Council see some of our County officials.

Professey Chin

Black Suir wrote: »

Whats needed in Waterford is someone who can think for themselves. Since Timmy O'Keeffe came in as County Secretary he has tried in fairness to him. He tried to introduce a premier Intermediate Championship but the clubs and divisional boards did not want it. He tried to enter into home and away arrangements with the other Munster Counties by maybe using Nolan Park as a home venue, but too many refused to take their blinkers off to see the benefits. Local politics also entered it - we wont cross the bridge and all that sh!te, and it appears he is in favour of all county competitions but it seems to be over our dead bodies with the divisional boards and their lecturing of the clubs and as good as telling them what to do. There is need to get rid of a lot of people in the running of the GAA in Waterford and fast, but its not going to happen any time soon. Until it does happen, we are going to be stuck in the dark ages compared to some counties and how they run their affairs.

I'd love to know why so many of them were on the line against Clare

chinguetti

Just said on Newstalk sportsnews that the Munster Council said the final is in Cork and there'll be no change.

Fentdog84

Here's an idea. Since we have no designated home ground for Munster championship hurling matches, why not just come to some agreement where Thurles is our designated home ground? That would prevent all this nonsense in the future

Black Suir

Fentdog84 wrote: »

Here's an idea. Since we have no designated home ground for Munster championship hurling matches, why not just come to some agreement where Thurles is our designated home ground? That would prevent all this nonsense in the future

Neither Tipp nor Cork would enter into an agreement that their ground could be used as a home ground by us. They would loose too much. The only ground that it would make sense for Waterford to use as a home venue in the Munster Championship, barring we bringing one of out own up to standard which will not happen, would be Nolan Park.

DublinGAA96

What about Walsh Park or Fraher lads?

Fentdog84

DublinGAA96 wrote: »

What about Walsh Park or Fraher lads?

Ever hear about what happened at Hillsborough?

Edit: You could actually have a point, if 12-15,000 is the crowds that are going to games these days, you might just might squeeze them in..the thought of it though

Mountainlad

Fentdog84 wrote: »

Ever hear about what happened at Hillsborough?

Edit: You could actually have a point, if 12-15,000 is the crowds that are going to games these days, you might just might squeeze them in..the thought of it though

If you had 6,500 in each stadium and one showing it on a big screen...maybe!

Fentdog84

Mountainlad wrote: »

If you had 6,500 in each stadium and one showing it on a big screen...maybe!

I know Im only joking but according to wiki Walsh Park has maximum capacity of 17'000 and Fraher 15,000, but I do fail to see where they get those figures from

suitcasepink

Mountainlad wrote: »

If you had 6,500 in each stadium and one showing it on a big screen...maybe!

Obviously the smart thing to do would be have the 12'000/15'000 at each pitch. Then the first half is played in Walsh Park while the Dungarvan folk watch it on a big screen, then at half time they drive along and play the second half in Dungarvan and the Walsh Park lads watch it on a big screen.
That way everyone can see the match and we've a capacity of like 28'000

deisedude

Fentdog84 wrote: »

I know Im only joking but according to wiki Walsh Park has maximum capacity of 17'000 and Fraher 15,000, but I do fail to see where they get those figures from

Father Dougal must have guessed the capacity for both
'I'm no good at judging the size of crowds, but I'd say there are about 17 million of them out there'

Fentdog84

deisedude wrote: »

Father Dougal must have guessed the capacity for both
'I'm no good at judging the size of crowds, but I'd say there are about 17 million of them out there'

17,000 toddlers, possibly

Morte

After being caught up in some overcrowding in the tunnel last year I would have major misgivings about the Páirc if anything serious were to occur there. I'd actually be surprised if there weren't some casualties. I don't know how it passed the health and safety review earlier this year.

Professey Chin

Morte wrote: »

After being caught up in some overcrowding in the tunnel last year I would have major misgivings about the Páirc if anything serious were to occur there. I'd actually be surprised if there weren't some casualties. I don't know how it passed the health and safety review earlier this year.

The entire thing is a mess. Players having to pass through the main tunnel(That seriously isnt wide enough) to get to the pitch is ridiculous.
Should have been torn down years ago

Fentdog84

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

The entire thing is a mess. Players having to pass through the main tunnel(That seriously isnt wide enough) to get to the pitch is ridiculous.
Should have been torn down years ago

I think their should be a case for Waterford supporters to boycott the match, due to safety concerns and what happened last year. I'll probably be doing so anyway.

daddydick

Fentdog84 wrote: »

I think their should be a case for Waterford supporters to boycott the match, due to safety concerns and what happened last year. I'll probably be doing so anyway.

It's a Munster Final for God sake. Why wern't you up in arms.when the county board failed to organise Thurles for this potential clash before a ball was pucked this year, instead of waiting until last minute.

Boycott a league match if you want but I would be extremely disappointed if anyone boycotted a Munster final. Arrive 45 mins early and wait around 10 mins after the game and you will have no issue.

Fireball07

Out of interest, why is Pairc Uí Chaoimh chosen ahead of the Gaelic Grounds for these matches anyway??

Professey Chin

Fireball07 wrote: »

Out of interest, why is Pairc Uí Chaoimh chosen ahead of the Gaelic Grounds for these matches anyway??

In this case its the only officially neutral ground similar distances for both teams

Fireball07

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

In this case its the only officially neutral ground similar distances for both teams

Aw right...I suppose that's fair enough...

deisedude

Fireball07 wrote: »

Out of interest, why is Pairc Uí Chaoimh chosen ahead of the Gaelic Grounds for these matches anyway??

One reason: politics. Cork have more pull than Limerick. Gaelic Grounds is a fine venue shockingly underused by the Munster Council. Pairc Ui Chaoimh is an accident waiting to happen. For big games in this day and age it should not be an option. Even Cork fans will tell you that much

nkay1985

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

ah come off it its not that bad. are u a supporter or not. at the end of the day Thurles is Tipps backyard....

I couldn't give a fcuk if it's Tipp's backyard. Waterford hurlers have no fear whatsoever of playing there.

Páirc Uí Caoimh is a disaster and potentially an accident waiting to happen as some have said. Anyone who's been there for a match with any kind of sizeable crowd knows that but the GAA will continue to turn a blind eye just because it's Cork.

STIG83

Wasn't it requested to be changed last year too and It was ignored?

Fireball07

deisedude wrote: »

One reason: politics. Cork have more pull than Limerick. Gaelic Grounds is a fine venue shockingly underused by the Munster Council. Pairc Ui Chaoimh is an accident waiting to happen. For big games in this day and age it should not be an option. Even Cork fans will tell you that much

It's a bit of a pity tbh....I think there's only been 1 hurling match in the Gaelic Grounds for the last 4 or 5 years (Tipp-Clare last year). And do they play hurling games in Cusack Park? If not, there's only 3 stadiums in the province that can host games. I get that Semple is the biggest and best, but still... (at least for Limerick-Waterford games, we don't have to go all the way down to Cork)

STIG83

The GAA are dopes, no one will travel to Cork for it, if it moved to Thurles, more will
go and it be better atmosphere.
Is it me or is the championship getting more predictable? The way it going KK will be in the AI semi final and if Waterford lose Munster and get through the quarter we will
be playing the black and ambers again!!
Great!!

deisefolife

i think the qualifiers would of being a good route for this Waterford team..
look at that young tipp team of 2010..
cork knocked them out in the first round and they came back to win the AI, they had some great games in the qualifiers and were able to build a team from it

deisefolife

i think the qualifiers would of being a good route for this Waterford team..
look at that young tipp team of 2010..
cork knocked them out in the first round and they came back to win the AI, they had some great games in the qualifiers and were able to build a team from it

Black Suir

Fentdog84 wrote: »

I know Im only joking but according to wiki Walsh Park has maximum capacity of 17'000 and Fraher 15,000, but I do fail to see where they get those figures from

When the Munster Under 21 Final was in Fraher Field a few years back, wasn't the capacity set at something just over 6,000 by the Health and Safety gang. You would however get in a bit more. I dont see how you could get 17,000 in Walsh Park. When the Munster Championship game between Waterford and Tipperary was played there in 1996, there was about 16,500 in the ground and it was fairly packed. Health and Safety I am sure would have brought down the number a bit since 1996.

Black Suir

Fireball07 wrote: »

Out of interest, why is Pairc Uí Chaoimh chosen ahead of the Gaelic Grounds for these matches anyway??

Frank Murphy.

Honestly, who wants to Limerick and its bottle necks along the way. At least places like Killeagh and Castlemarthyr while they are going to be hold ups they are wide villages and traffic will be moving even if its slow.

Black Suir

deisefolife wrote: »

i think the qualifiers would of being a good route for this Waterford team..
look at that young tipp team of 2010..
cork knocked them out in the first round and they came back to win the AI, they had some great games in the qualifiers and were able to build a team from it

Did you ever hear that the shortest distance to any destination is in a straight line. In any counties case, that destination is to be in Croke Park in September, and to do that the best and easiest way is to go through winning your provincial final. You dont hear anyone in Kilkenny saying they should go through the qualifiers route and neither should we. Anyone that does want to go through the qualifiers i would have doubts about them and their interst/knowledge in the game.

blue note

Has anyone said that the farce we caused about 2 years ago is probably a major factor in them not moving the game to Thurles? We changed the venue 2 years ago and when there was a backlash initially blamed the Munster council, until it emerged that we had requested the change.

Again this year, we agreed to Pairc Uí Caoimh for the final, but now we want to change it. I still think the Munster council should agree to Thurles, but I don't think we helped ourselves.

calvin_zola

Fireball07 wrote: »

Out of interest, why is Pairc Uí Chaoimh chosen ahead of the Gaelic Grounds for these matches anyway??

I'd have no bother going to the gaelic grounds. Only for the crappy road to Limerick, infrastucturly its a nightmare for Waterford people from what i remember going their years ago. Nice stadium. Fine terraces.

calvin_zola

With regards to Clare/limerick games why cannot we plan to or make an home and away agreement with these teams in Munster? Like the crowds at the clare game in 2010 , limerick game 2011, clare game in 2012 where very poor, the attendances for the gaa are down... Like we played galway there in 2006 and put 14000 people into the sportsfield, and I remember the atmosphere was great... Like if we had an agreement with Clare and Limerick I think we would have done the following -

Played Limerick in gaelic grounds - 2009 (original attendance 25000)
Played Limerick replay in sportsfields - 2009 (15000)
Played Clare in Ennis - 2010 (11000)
Played Limerick in gaelic grounds - 2011 (15000)
Played Clare in sportsfields in 2012 (12000)

as it is the average attendance for these games held in a neutral venue was - 15600 (including the bigger attendance in Limerick in 2009, and attendances have dropped off since then)

I think because we played galway in the sportsfields in 2006, antrim in 2008 it shows it can be done.

A bit of foresight and forward planning would make it a goer, maybe get the city council to allow parking in the RSC, and Tesco Lisduggan to allow parking(maybe in return for a adevertising hoarding or something, try and keep costs down). its only a short walk, Close of access from 8am to 8pm to traffic encapsualting a radius from The Presentation school roundabout, the entrance to pine mews,the entrance to Musgraves, and the crossroads behind the town end terrace,(this would not affect residants access to their estates) this would mean that you could have a mini festival on the same day within the boundaries, set up a marquee, have a few food vans etc etc, it could be a real money spinner for the Waterford County board GAA....

It would also allow for proper crowd control

I think this way both county boards get a pay day and you cut out the neutral venue... also it brings a buzz around the place, the game sells out, local businesses get a little economic boom.... there are pubs close.. the park inn, paddy brownes, norrises and the pubs on barrack street....

This would work fine in my opinion for the next few years while attendances are low... It cuts out the major travel expenses for the fans when we are playing at home(giving the"id have to put petrol and feed meself and clothe meself" brigade nothing to give out about as the game would be local), while it would have the same effect for the Clare/Limerick fans when they play at home.

My bottom line is it would be better than playing in a half empty Thurles with one terrace closed and having to pay a neutral venue... The buzz generated would be important aswell... Like last week you'd swear that there wasn't a game on, wheras if it was in Walsh Park people would be looking forward to it..

Alos the money generated from this can be put towards concrenting the terraces and bringing it up to scratch in years to come......... County board could look at putting a bar under the stadium (there is plenty of space) get a club licence and make a few bob from that aswell.......

Professey Chin

Black Suir wrote: »

Honestly, who wants to Limerick and its bottle necks along the way. At least places like Killeagh and Castlemarthyr while they are going to be hold ups they are wide villages and traffic will be moving even if its slow.

Dont get me started on Tipp town

newyork4sam

Minor team v Tipp
1 seanie Barry
2 kieran Bennett
3 tadhg Bourke
4 Shane Bwnnett
5 David O Brien
6 Shane Mc Nulrty
7 Kieran Power
8 Colin Dunford
9 Tom Devine
10 D.J Foran
11 Austin Gleeson
12 Micheal Harney
13 Stephen Bennett
14 Brendan Phelan
15 Darragh Flynn

HillFarmer

Hard look to Cathal Curran. What injury does he have.?

Besides Curran do we have any more absentees due to injury.?

Cake Man

HillFarmer wrote: »

Hard look to Cathal Curran. What injury does he have.?

Besides Curran do we have any more absentees due to injury.?

Cian Leamy of Ballyduff Upper started v Clare but he's apparently in Australia but with Dunford back, he takes his place. David O'Brien also missed the Clare game, have heard good things about him. Glad to see Seanie Barry make it.

Good team, you know it must be decent when the likes of Adam O'Sullivan, Tom Tobin, Conor Murray, Niall Fives et al don't make the starting 15.
Really looking forward to this now.