Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Deise Tom

comeraghs wrote: »

Weekend Football Fixtures.

JJ Kavanagh & Sons S.F.C. Quarter Finals

Clashmore V Rathgormack in Fraher Field on Friday evening at 8pm.

Ardmore V Stradbally in Fraher Field on Saturday at 3pm

Kilrossanty V The Nire in Fraher Field on Saturday at 6pm

An Rinn V Ballinacourty in Fraher Field on Saturday at 7-30pm.



S.F.C. Relegation Play Off Final

Dungarvan V Saint Saviours in Lemybrien on Saturday at 5pm.

There was a shock last week when Mount Sion beat Ballygunner and almost one when an understrength Lismore were only denied something out of the game in added time. Will be interesting to see if there will be any shocks this weekend. At least one game could need extra time to find a winner. I have the games previewed on my blog if anyone is interested.

deisebhoy17

anyone have any results from the Harty Cup games during the week?

Cake Man

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

anyone have any results from the Harty Cup games during the week?

St. Colman’s Coll. Fermoy 2-25 Coláistí Chiarraí (Kerry Colleges) 2-9
Hamilton High School Bandon 1-18 Coláiste Chríost Rí Cork 3-10
St. Flannan’s Coll Ennis 2-25 Gael Colaiste Mhuire Cork 1-5
Coláistí Iar Luimní (West Limerick Colleges) 1-17 Abbey CBS Tipperary 1-12

It seems that these were the only Harty games played this week, apparently Blackwater's game v Templemore was called off as there's a few Tipp panelists on the Templemore team that will be playing in the AIF minor replay.
As for DLS and Colaiste na Déise, they both had Limerick opposition so I've no idea why they were cancelled or even when they are to be played. Munster GAA website says nothing about it.

tonc76

East Junior Hurling Championship Proper Final 29/09/2012 13:15 Kill
Butlerstown vs Newtown Ballydurn

East Intermediate Hurling Championship Final 29/09/2012 15:00 Kill
Portlaw vs Clonea

zol 2

Cake Man wrote: »

St. Colman’s Coll. Fermoy 2-25 Coláistí Chiarraí (Kerry Colleges) 2-9
Hamilton High School Bandon 1-18 Coláiste Chríost Rí Cork 3-10
St. Flannan’s Coll Ennis 2-25 Gael Colaiste Mhuire Cork 1-5
Coláistí Iar Luimní (West Limerick Colleges) 1-17 Abbey CBS Tipperary 1-12

It seems that these were the only Harty games played this week, apparently Blackwater's game v Templemore was called off as there's a few Tipp panelists on the Templemore team that will be playing in the AIF minor replay.
As for DLS and Colaiste na Déise, they both had Limerick opposition so I've no idea why they were cancelled or even when they are to be played. Munster GAA website says nothing about it.

Colaiste Na Deise played the Tipp minors on Wens and were beaten 6-24 to 1-1-18. Blackwater played De La Salle in the Waterford Colleges championship by 2-26 to 3-9

jupiterjack

Deise Tom wrote: »

There was a shock last week when Mount Sion beat Ballygunner and almost one when an understrength Lismore were only denied something out of the game in added time. Will be interesting to see if there will be any shocks this weekend. At least one game could need extra time to find a winner. I have the games previewed on my blog if anyone is interested.

Stradbally, the nire and ballinacourty would have to be fancied to be three of the semi-finalists with perhaps clashmore the fourth this weekend. Have seen most of the teams play this year and on their day anyone can beat the other so maybe kilrossanty to beat The Nire as they have been out playing with Fourmilewater the last couple of weeks and perhaps this could be a hinderance trying to juggle the football and hurling. Saviours should also survive their relagation battle...

deisedude

zol 2 wrote: »

Colaiste Na Deise played the Tipp minors on Wens and were beaten 6-24 to 1-1-18. Blackwater played De La Salle in the Waterford Colleges championship by 2-26 to 3-9

Did Blackwater win or lose?

zol 2

deisedude wrote: »

Did Blackwater win or lose?

Sorry i badly worded the last post! Ya Blackwater won comfortably,i heard they weren't stretched too much.

Black Suir

Half time in Fraher Field. Clashmore 1-8 Rathgormack 2-1

Hearing that the referee failed to show for the Mount Sion and Ferrybank game at Kilmacthomas and a different one had to be got. The game as a result is running late. Half time score - Cnoc Sion 0-5 to Ferrybank 1-4. Is it three or four Eastern Finals in a row that Mount Sion are attempting to win this year.

Black Suir

latest score from Fraher Field - Clashmore 1-9 Rathgormack 2-3 and in Kilmac, Cnoc Sion 0-7 to Ferrybank 1-6. Both three quarters way through the game.

Black Suir

Clashmore are the first club into the County Senior Football semi finals.

Full time score - Clashmore 2-11 Rathgormack 2-3

Black Suir

Full time in Kilmac - Junior Football Championship Semi-Final: Cnoc Sion 1-9 to Ferrybank 1-10.

zol 2

The minor hurling semi finals have been cancelled Mon night due to Ballygunner objecting to the 2nd/3rd/4th places in the group.Dungarvan topped the group withe St Carthages 2nd,Ballygunner 3rd,and DLS 4th but "officially" the objection is due to St Carthages and DLS receiving walkovers from Roanmore therefore the scoring averages are being contested and they want a 3 way playoff to decide the positions again but another possible reason i wonder might have something to do with one of their better players from a well know hurling family down there having to serve a 1 match suspension!-The playoff would free him up for the semi final then!
What really bothers me here is the fact that this objection was adhered to in such a fast manner and i just hope it is being done for the proper reasons and not for underhand tactics.
A question to you people out there? Who get to make such decisions without the other participating clubs being consulted?

Deise Hurler

zol 2 wrote: »

The minor hurling semi finals have been cancelled Mon night due to Ballygunner objecting to the 2nd/3rd/4th places in the group.Dungarvan topped the group withe St Carthages 2nd,Ballygunner 3rd,and DLS 4th but "officially" the objection is due to St Carthages and DLS receiving walkovers from Roanmore therefore the scoring averages are being contested and they want a 3 way playoff to decide the positions again but another possible reason i wonder might have something to do with one of their better players from a well know hurling family down there having to serve a 1 match suspension!-The playoff would free him up for the semi final then!
What really bothers me here is the fact that this objection was adhered to in such a fast manner and i just hope it is being done for the proper reasons and not for underhand tactics.
A question to you people out there? Who get to make such decisions without the other participating clubs being consulted?

Ballygunner are within their rights i think. When their is a 3 way play off or when teams finish on equal points it no longer goes on scoring difference but on head to head results. When 3 teams are involved and each team has beaten each other once a play off is needed. Have to check the county board website for the results but ld say this is what happened. If this is the case then the county boards hands are tied.

Deise Hurler

zol 2 wrote: »

The minor hurling semi finals have been cancelled Mon night due to Ballygunner objecting to the 2nd/3rd/4th places in the group.Dungarvan topped the group withe St Carthages 2nd,Ballygunner 3rd,and DLS 4th but "officially" the objection is due to St Carthages and DLS receiving walkovers from Roanmore therefore the scoring averages are being contested and they want a 3 way playoff to decide the positions again but another possible reason i wonder might have something to do with one of their better players from a well know hurling family down there having to serve a 1 match suspension!-The playoff would free him up for the semi final then!
What really bothers me here is the fact that this objection was adhered to in such a fast manner and i just hope it is being done for the proper reasons and not for underhand tactics.
A question to you people out there? Who get to make such decisions without the other participating clubs being consulted?

Ballygunner are within their rights i think. When their is a 3 way play off or when teams finish on equal points it no longer goes on scoring difference but on head to head results. When 3 teams are involved and each team has beaten each other once a play off is needed. Have to check the county board website for the results but ld say this is what happened. If this is the case then the county boards hands are tied.

zol 2

Deise Hurler wrote: »

Ballygunner are within their rights i think. When their is a 3 way play off or when teams finish on equal points it no longer goes on scoring difference but on head to head results. When 3 teams are involved and each team has beaten each other once a play off is needed. Have to check the county board website for the results but ld say this is what happened. If this is the case then the county boards hands are tied.[/QUOT

Yes,if that's the "real reason" then that's fine but lets say there is a 3 way playoff and positions are changed and B/gunner finish 2nd in the group this time,they still end up meeting St Carthages in the semi final.If they end up finishing 4th they end up playing Dungarvan so where is there a gain to be made??It stinks to the high heaven if you ask me of a stroke trying to be pulled to facilitate a certain player for the semi final. For the sake of justice and fairplay i genuinely hope either Dungarvan,St Carthages or DLS go on to win the minor title.ONE RULE FOR THE BIG BOYS AND ONE RULE FOR THE REST!!!!!!!!

Black Suir

Deise Hurler wrote: »

Ballygunner are within their rights i think. When their is a 3 way play off or when teams finish on equal points it no longer goes on scoring difference but on head to head results. When 3 teams are involved and each team has beaten each other once a play off is needed. Have to check the county board website for the results but ld say this is what happened. If this is the case then the county boards hands are tied.

I think you are wrong. Head to heads are only used when two teams are level on points. Where three or more its score difference, but when someone gives one of the teams a walk over, a play off has to be used as that team would not have had the chance to improve their score difference.

Mountainlad

Black Suir wrote: »

I think you are wrong. Head to heads are only used when two teams are level on points. Where three or more its score difference, but when someone gives one of the teams a walk over, a play off has to be used as that team would not have had the chance to improve their score difference.

This is 100% correct.

If it was Ballygunner, however, I guess it is suspicious given it doesn't really seem like they can actually improve on their position in reality. At the same time, it is their right, the rule is what it is so it would probably be unfair at the same time to dent them that.

But if DLS and Lismore got the walkovers, should that not be an advantage to Ballygunner? Also, it's not a good sign when a team in the top division has to give walkovers.

daddydick

zol 2 wrote: »

Deise Hurler wrote: »

Ballygunner are within their rights i think. When their is a 3 way play off or when teams finish on equal points it no longer goes on scoring difference but on head to head results. When 3 teams are involved and each team has beaten each other once a play off is needed. Have to check the county board website for the results but ld say this is what happened. If this is the case then the county boards hands are tied.[/QUOT

Yes,if that's the "real reason" then that's fine but lets say there is a 3 way playoff and positions are changed and B/gunner finish 2nd in the group this time,they still end up meeting St Carthages in the semi final.If they end up finishing 4th they end up playing Dungarvan so where is there a gain to be made??It stinks to the high heaven if you ask me of a stroke trying to be pulled to facilitate a certain player for the semi final. For the sake of justice and fairplay i genuinely hope either Dungarvan,St Carthages or DLS go on to win the minor title.ONE RULE FOR THE BIG BOYS AND ONE RULE FOR THE REST!!!!!!!!

Its the same rules for everyone - get over it!

jupiterjack

Ardmore 2-4 Stradbally 1-10

solarith

daddydick wrote: »

zol 2 wrote: »

Its the same rules for everyone - get over it!

The other teams should give walkovers, so the player will not get to play and therefore miss the semi finals..!

zol 2

daddydick wrote: »

zol 2 wrote: »

Its the same rules for everyone - get over it!

Ya you're right! When the big boys come out to play and flex their financial muscle the puppets on the strings in the county board roll over for them!!
Same rules alright;)

Mountainlad

solarith wrote: »

The other teams should give walkovers, so the player will not get to play and therefore miss the semi finals..!

Would he not still be available after that?

Just heard The Nire drew with Killrossanty, means the County football semis will be put back, the Hurling is going ahead this weekend as planned apparently.

kapa

What was The Nire v Kilrossanty score?

jupiterjack

kapa wrote: »

What was The Nire v Kilrossanty score?

Kilrossanty and The Nire served up a thriller this evening in fraher field. Kilrossanty 2-14 Nire 1-17 Full time, after extra time..

Clashmore

Any results from the other two quarter finals played today

Mountainlad

Clashmore wrote: »

Any results from the other two quarter finals played today

Ballinacourty 1-13 An Rinn 2-7

Stradbally won by 3 points earlier.

Semi Final draw:

Stradbally v Ballinacourty

Clashmore v The Nire/Killrossanty

Clashmore

Thanks mountainlad.

They'll be in three weeks time now I suppose instead of in two weeks due to the replay

Mountainlad

Clashmore wrote: »

Thanks mountainlad.

They'll be in three weeks time now I suppose instead of in two weeks due to the replay

Yeah, they said on WLR that the quarter replay will be in two weeks time.

WumBuster

Mountainlad wrote: »

He loves Waterford. I'd be surprised if he never manages Waterford.

Jaysus lads theres only one cure now.. its time to bring back Jackson.. WE WANT JACKSON!!! WE WANT JACKSON!!! long live the king!! JACKSON!!!

Black Suir

Clashmore wrote: »

Thanks mountainlad.

They'll be in three weeks time now I suppose instead of in two weeks due to the replay

Isnt the Senior Hurling County Final in three weeks time. I take it that the Nire Replay was to go ahead in two weeks time and fourmilewater were to win next week, the football will have to be put back a little. Anyway I think the county board as a little time to play with. Dont the Waterford champions have a bye to the semi finals in Munster and wont be playing till sometime in November. It might be dangerous to give who ever wins the county final too much time between the county final and playing in Munster, as challenge games etc will be hard to get.

Mountainlad

Black Suir wrote: »

Isnt the Senior Hurling County Final in three weeks time. I take it that the Nire Replay was to go ahead in two weeks time and fourmilewater were to win next week, the football will have to be put back a little. Anyway I think the county board as a little time to play with. Dont the Waterford champions have a bye to the semi finals in Munster and wont be playing till sometime in November. It might be dangerous to give who ever wins the county final too much time between the county final and playing in Munster, as challenge games etc will be hard to get.

I'd say they'd put back the County Hurling Final, because they'd already have put back the Football semi finals and it wouldn't really be fair to the other teams in the football semi finals.

cornerboy

I dont often say it and I'm totally neutral but.....Killrossanty were robbed. A very very dubious free awarded to Nire at the death to allow them make a draw.

jupiterjack

cornerboy wrote: »

I dont often say it and I'm totally neutral but.....Killrossanty were robbed. A very very dubious free awarded to Nire at the death to allow them make a draw.

Have to agree with you felt the ref bottled it a bit even tough he had a good game over all, really enjoyed the game perhaps having the stand full and having extra time played under lights added to the atmosphere but the Nire should have won it in the second half, 4pts up and Liam Lawlor one on one with the keeper and decided to fist it over the bar. Fair play to Kilrossanty they really did battle hard and were unlucky in the end. Hope the replay is another classic...

comeraghs

Snr Football relegation.


Dungarvan 1 - 8 St Saviours. 4 - 8

I wonder how much effort D'van put in. Must have had one eye on the hurling semi-final.

mariano rivera

comeraghs wrote: »

Snr Football relegation.


Dungarvan 1 - 8 St Saviours. 4 - 8

I wonder how much effort D'van put in. Must have had one eye on the hurling semi-final.

Just like to say well done to Saviours

(BTW, i am not a club member or even from the city)

A few dedicated individuals are able to keep them up Senior year after year

These same guys play on the senior team, train the teams, are involved in the administration and coach their underage teams


They have a very small playing pool and able to add a couple of young guys with some tough old dogs and seem to win these relegation games EVERY year


They are a credit to Waterford GAA

jupiterjack

twas great alright to see saviours stay up and perhaps De La Salle might be joining them next year, would be great to have another senior football club in the city. De La Salle have been so close over the last number of years and i was very surprised by the winning margin over Tramore in the eastern final....

deisebhoy17

comeraghs wrote: »

Snr Football relegation.


Dungarvan 1 - 8 St Saviours. 4 - 8

I wonder how much effort D'van put in. Must have had one eye on the hurling semi-final.

How many lives do Saviours have? Since they won the co. final around 10/15 years ago they have been favourites to be relegated almost every year but for some reaon always manage to survive. This year their lucky in the sence that Dungarvan definetly had one eye on the hurling. But at the same time you have to hand it to them

As for the drawn game between Nire and Kilrossanty... not the result FMW hurlers needed

deisebhoy17

jupiterjack wrote: »

twas great alright to see saviours stay up and perhaps De La Salle might be joining them next year, would be great to have another senior football club in the city. De La Salle have been so close over the last number of years and i was very surprised by the winning margin over Tramore in the eastern final....

Strong possibility now it looks like Ballinacourty to win a poor western competition and correct me if I'm wrong but Courty cant go up even if they win the county as they are a 2nd string team. So that would mean DLS promoted?

hardybuck

I think DLS will play either Ballinameela or Ballinacourty in the final, you'd expect it to be Ballinameela. Their chances will probably depend on venue and weather conditions. They'd be far more likely to win a game in a city venue on a dry sod than on a wet day in Fraher.

Just had a quick glance at the website, DLS and Tramore's juniors also played out a draw before the intermediate final. However, I didn't realise there was something called "junior intermediate attached", i.e. the 2nd teams of the intermediate clubs. There is also a competition for the 2nd teams of the senior teams, but they're only three of them in East Waterford.

So basically, if your not able to make your first team in any of those clubs, you only get about 2 games as season, and basically don't get to play football! Madness!

In regard to Saviours, they are serious battlers. They must try and time their conditioning every year specifically for the Relegation Final, which in many ways is their county final!

Mountainlad

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Strong possibility now it looks like Ballinacourty to win a poor western competition and correct me if I'm wrong but Courty cant go up even if they win the county as they are a 2nd string team. So that would mean DLS promoted?

Ballinacourty can go up if they want to and have 2 Senior teams. If they win it twice in a row they have to go up.

I dunnno what would happen if they elected not to go up having won it, maybe a playoff between the east champions and the beaten Western finalists? Would probably be a bit unfair if De La Salle went up at the expense of Ballinameela in the situation, without having played each other.

hardybuck

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ballinacourty can go up if they want to and have 2 Senior teams. If they win it twice in a row they have to go up.

I dunnno what would happen if they elected not to go up having won it, maybe a playoff between the east champions and the beaten Western finalists? Would probably be a bit unfair if De La Salle went up at the expense of Ballinameela in the situation, without having played each other.

Ballinameela are surely good enough to beat Ballinacourty's second string though?

Mountainlad

hardybuck wrote: »

Ballinameela are surely good enough to beat Ballinacourty's second string though?

Well, they lost when they met in the group stages. They had a few fellas gone abroad over the summer, not sure if any/all are back. Ballinacourty are the form team in the West Intermediate championship.

hardybuck

Mountainlad wrote: »

Well, they lost when they met in the group stages. They had a few fellas gone abroad over the summer, not sure if any/all are back. Ballinacourty are the form team in the West Intermediate championship.

I think if you can't beat a senior club's second string, you've no business playing senior championship. I expect between now and that group game that Ballinacourty might have lost the odd player to the senior team also.

cheater

Has there been any announcement of dates for the Nire v Kilrossanty replay, and subsequently the SFC semi finals? I believe the announcement in Fraher field was that there would be a meeting on Monday night to decide these?

Anyone hear anything?

deisebhoy17

hardybuck wrote: »

I think if you can't beat a senior club's second string, you've no business playing senior championship. I expect between now and that group game that Ballinacourty might have lost the odd player to the senior team also.

Ballinacourty have been steam-rolling their way through the western intermediate championship. Make what you want of it, whether its a reflection of how poor the standard is, thats another debate. The bottom line is they are there on merit, and I can guarantee they would be as good as some of the lower senior teams aswell. Ballinameela will fancy it aswell though, having been senior before they have plenty experience. Courty wont lose anyone of significance to the Seniors so its a question of whether Ballinameela can get it together in time with these lads that have been away for the summer

PTH2009

So if Ballinacourty win the western intermediate football will De La Salle go straight up to senoir in 2013 because Ballinacourty are in the senoir rankings all ready or will De La Salle have to still play Ballinameena in a playoff even if Ballinameena lose the western final. ??

comeraghs

Bit harsh to be calling West Inter football a poor champiosnship.

Great credit should go to small clubs with very limited populations such as Ballinameela, Geraldines, Modeligo, Kilgobinet, Old Parish & Colligan for fielding teams, never mind competing. Abbeyside/Ballinacourty has a bigger population than all these clubs put together.

Mountainlad

comeraghs wrote: »

Bit harsh to be calling West Inter football a poor champiosnship.

Great credit should go to small clubs with very limited populations such as Ballinameela, Geraldines, Modeligo, Kilgobinet, Old Parish & Colligan for fielding teams, never mind competing. Abbeyside/Ballinacourty has a bigger population than all these clubs put together.

None of them are intemediate football teams. And are Colligan relegated now actually?

The Nire have a limited population, and they have a second string side competing with these teams, which doesn't say a lot for them (and I'm not trying to run any clubs down, in my opinion some of these teams are just unsustainably small). The standard is still quite poor, but then I guess it's to be expected with the number of football clubs and that hurling definitely gets precedance over it in this county.

But lads, it's totally unfair to specifically mention that the West championship is a poor championship when it's still better than the East!

The big issues lie over there where most of the population of the County is, and yet so few players are being produced for the County Senior team. Only one team of the 8 quarter finalists were from the East, and Rathgormack are borderline East as they are quite near the Nire and Killrossanty. If people are serious about football in the County, they need to get it taken seriously by more over there, otherwise we can forget about it.

hardybuck

Mountainlad wrote: »

None of them are intemediate football teams. And are Colligan relegated now actually?

The Nire have a limited population, and they have a second string side competing with these teams, which doesn't say a lot for them (and I'm not trying to run any clubs down, in my opinion some of these teams are just unsustainably small). The standard is still quite poor, but then I guess it's to be expected with the number of football clubs and that hurling definitely gets precedance over it in this county.

But lads, it's totally unfair to specifically mention that the West championship is a poor championship when it's still better than the East!

The big issues lie over there where most of the population of the County is, and yet so few players are being produced for the County Senior team. Only one team of the 8 quarter finalists were from the East, and Rathgormack are borderline East as they are quite near the Nire and Killrossanty. If people are serious about football in the County, they need to get it taken seriously by more over there, otherwise we can forget about it.

The City is the issue here. Not only do the clubs need to take it more seriously in the there, but there need to be supports put in place to help them. There is a huge portion of people in the city who despise the game, it's a hurling and soccer town.

If you look at the Waterford senior hurling team, the only guys who don't tog out for football with their clubs are probably from Mount Sion, DLS and Ballygunner. DLS in particular would probably be challenging on both fronts like The Nire and Ballinacourty if they gave both a good bash.