Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

G.K.

Why is the praise bizarre Sean?

Unmerited? Or just bizarre because people are praising an unmitigated disaster?

mufcboy1999

Sean Bateman wrote: »

MANUTD99 wrote: »

MANUTD99, with all due respect your statements are ridiculous (as are the thanks that they elicit from the usual suspects).

Real fans question what's going on and want the best for their club. They don't wander around like blind lemmings and sycophants.

I don't want to sacrifice success this season for some intangible future success that may or may not come in the future. I want both. We should want the best right now and down the line.

As for the bizarre praise for de Gea's "footwork" and distribution, it's just the usual suspects clutching at straws. The guy's United career is basically 5 minute old and he's a catalogue of errors that someone like Shay Given hasn't amassed in a entire career. The guy's been a shambles - A horror show in the charity shield, a horror show against West Brom, flapping like a bird against Spurs, Higuita like madness against Van der Vaart and a howler against Arsenal. His Atletico career is meaningless in the context of his United career. This is a different level. As I said before, citing his "success" at Atletico is just the usual suspects in this thread showboating and trying to come across as superior football fans because they've too much time on their hands and watch Atletico Madrid games.

The anti Shay Given stuff is hilarious TBH...he's looked like God since joining Villa while our "great white hope" looks like Taibi Mark II. And we're told that "real United fans" get behind the team no matter what. B..locks to that. Real United fans question and want the best.

Honest to God, some of you people are worse that the Vichy French.

i agree with certain parts here, he has a point on the whole real fans want whats best for the club.

we have quite a few hardcore believers here that jump to the defense of any united player under even the smallest of criticisms, de gea deserves most of the slack he's getting lets face it lads he's made some very basic mistakes, i don't think he's had a game yet for us where he didn't make a blunder of some sort.

but i do want to see him do well and i do think he is a good distributer of the ball aswell as being comfortable on it, its the actual goalkeeping which is the worrying part and obviously the most important.

its the same thing as the cm, we actually have people on here who really believe united have a strong cm and don't need to improve the area while just about every expert and pundit in football highlight the fact we do!.

lordgoat

I love DDG. I love him even more for how stupid he makes Bateman look.

G.K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ3JSzHBElk

There's a couple of shots in there that he'd have not saved a few weeks ago. He's improving already.

n32

G.K. wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ3JSzHBElk

There's a couple of shots in there that he'd have not saved a few weeks ago. He's improving already.

Maybe we should move him to centre mid . After watching that video he passes the ball like a barca player !!!!! Bateman is really over doing it when he says de gea is as bad as taibi, laughable really.

Ordinary man

Sean Bateman wrote: »

MANUTD99 wrote: »

MANUTD99, with all due respect your statements are ridiculous (as are the thanks that they elicit from the usual suspects).

Real fans question what's going on and want the best for their club. They don't wander around like blind lemmings and sycophants.

I don't want to sacrifice success this season for some intangible future success that may or may not come in the future. I want both. We should want the best right now and down the line.

As for the bizarre praise for de Gea's "footwork" and distribution, it's just the usual suspects clutching at straws. The guy's United career is basically 5 minute old and he's a catalogue of errors that someone like Shay Given hasn't amassed in a entire career. The guy's been a shambles - A horror show in the charity shield, a horror show against West Brom, flapping like a bird against Spurs, Higuita like madness against Van der Vaart and a howler against Arsenal. His Atletico career is meaningless in the context of his United career. This is a different level. As I said before, citing his "success" at Atletico is just the usual suspects in this thread showboating and trying to come across as superior football fans because they've too much time on their hands and watch Atletico Madrid games.

The anti Shay Given stuff is hilarious TBH...he's looked like God since joining Villa while our "great white hope" looks like Taibi Mark II. And we're told that "real United fans" get behind the team no matter what. B..locks to that. Real United fans question and want the best.

Honest to God, some of you people are worse that the Vichy French.

Why didn't any top 4 team ever look to buy shay given, why did he get dumped when man city got to that level? It's one thing to put in decent performances for the likes of villa and another thing to be good enough for united.

Tim Howard and ben foster couldn't cut it at united but were good players for lower teams. Maybe ddg will end up the same but nobody knows yet.

Sean Bateman

Guys, you're clutching at straws. This "de Gea's footwork and distribution are great" stuff is utterly ridiculous. As is Lordgoat's bizarre claim that de Gea makes me look stupid. De Gea is one of the biggest if not the biggest joke in English football right now. The tabloids are queuing up to destroy him. Guess what? If you're a real United fan and de Gea's not the one for us the right thing to do is to throw him to the wolves. If he costs us the league this season (which I fear her will) he doesn't deserve our support.

Good distribution is irrelevant if the goalkeeper in question is dropping clangers in every game. I'm also surprised that the Van der Vaart incident is being glossed over so easily. So what if the Spurs guy ended up fouling him? De Gea's attempt at a little trick was laughable and worrying.

If we're gonna compete with City and Barca we need a safe pair of hands, not a callow youth. The bluffers in this thread cite de Gea's achievements in Spain. They are irrelevant. He's at United now and he's averaging one howler a game and infecting the back four with uncertainty.

G.K.

Sean Bateman wrote: »

Guys, you're clutching at straws. This "de Gea's footwork and distribution are great" stuff is utterly ridiculous.

Why? Because it's a good aspect of his game? Or for a proper reason?

Sean, some of your posts countering people's arguments in other debates have been excellent and well though out but you are making a mountain out of a molehill here. De Gea is improving already.

And as for 'and infecting the back four with uncertainty.' - that's just hyperbolic scaremongering tripe. Prove he's doing that.

Mars Bar

Sean Bateman wrote: »

The tabloids are queuing up to destroy him. Guess what? If you're a real United fan and de Gea's not the one for us the right thing to do is to throw him to the wolves. If he costs us the league this season (which I fear her will) he doesn't deserve our support.

You support the players on your team no matter what. You're coming across as just a glory hunter.

Good distribution is irrelevant if the goalkeeper in question is dropping clangers in every game. I'm also surprised that the Van der Vaart incident is being glossed over so easily. So what if the Spurs guy ended up fouling him? De Gea's attempt at a little trick was laughable and worrying.

I like the fact that he had the confidence to do it. Van Der Vaart fouled him because De Gea actually pulled off the trick.

If we're gonna compete with City and Barca we need a safe pair of hands, not a callow youth. The bluffers in this thread cite de Gea's achievements in Spain. They are irrelevant. He's at United now and he's averaging one howler a game and infecting the back four with uncertainty.

City are competing with us. We are their aim, they are not our aim.

His achievements in Spain are worth noting. How else do you build an opinion on a player? Certainly not on just the previous 4 games the lad has played.

n32

Sean Bateman wrote: »

Guys, you're clutching at straws. This "de Gea's footwork and distribution are great" stuff is utterly ridiculous. As is Lordgoat's bizarre claim that de Gea makes me look stupid. De Gea is one of the biggest if not the biggest joke in English football right now. The tabloids are queuing up to destroy him. Guess what? If you're a real United fan and de Gea's not the one for us the right thing to do is to throw him to the wolves. If he costs us the league this season (which I fear her will) he doesn't deserve our support.

Good distribution is irrelevant if the goalkeeper in question is dropping clangers in every game. I'm also surprised that the Van der Vaart incident is being glossed over so easily. So what if the Spurs guy ended up fouling him? De Gea's attempt at a little trick was laughable and worrying.

If we're gonna compete with City and Barca we need a safe pair of hands, not a callow youth. The bluffers in this thread cite de Gea's achievements in Spain. They are irrelevant. He's at United now and he's averaging one howler a game and infecting the back four with uncertainty.

Do you not think he s shown a big improvement in the last 2 games compared to his first 2? And if so, is it possible that he s settling in and gaining the necessary confidence? Don't forget he also has a 19yr old centre half and 2 other inexperienced defenders in front of him. Hardly ideal for a young keeper trying to settle in to a new club

Fight_Night

Sean Bateman wrote: »

If he costs us the league this season (which I fear her will) he doesn't deserve our support.
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Terrible attitude.

SlickRic

i take it anyone whose slagging de Gea is only going on a couple of mistakes he's made in the last few games, yeah?

i take it you haven't watched him be the no.1 keeper for a top La Liga club as a teenager?

and seen him perform extremely well while doing so?

or see him be integral to his country winning tournaments at underage level?

yeah, thought so.

he's not started ideally, but writing him off after 4 competitive games; games where he wasn't even that bad, is possibly the most retarded thing i've ever read in any superthread from a team's fan.

and i don't say that lightly.

i reckon you should sell him for £10m and buy Friedel off Spurs. much better

Mitch Connor

Fight_Night wrote: »

Terrible attitude.

No it isn't. I hated Andy Cole ever since his misses vs West Ham.

I have hated Rio since he got his drugs suspension.

I hated Cantona from the moment he kicked the racist at Wimbledon.

I have hated Antonio Valencia since his miss vs Blackburn.

Exactly like all fans should.

Mars Bar

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No it isn't. I hated Andy Cole ever since his misses vs West Ham.

I have hated Rio since he got his drugs suspension.

I hated Cantona from the moment he kicked the racist at Wimbledon.

I have hated Antonio Valencia since his miss vs Blackburn.

Exactly like all fans should.

...but you supported them when they were on the pitch in the United jersey regardless, yes?

Nalz

Raze_them_all wrote: »

He hasn't cost us any points yet?

yes that was a typo sorry, I did go on to say that United hadnt dropped points. thanks

lordgoat

Sean Bateman wrote: »

Guys, you're clutching at straws. This "de Gea's footwork and distribution are great" stuff is utterly ridiculous. As is Lordgoat's bizarre claim that de Gea makes me look stupid. De Gea is one of the biggest if not the biggest joke in English football right now. The tabloids are queuing up to destroy him. Guess what? If you're a real United fan and de Gea's not the one for us the right thing to do is to throw him to the wolves. If he costs us the league this season (which I fear her will) he doesn't deserve our support.

Good distribution is irrelevant if the goalkeeper in question is dropping clangers in every game. I'm also surprised that the Van der Vaart incident is being glossed over so easily. So what if the Spurs guy ended up fouling him? De Gea's attempt at a little trick was laughable and worrying.

If we're gonna compete with City and Barca we need a safe pair of hands, not a callow youth. The bluffers in this thread cite de Gea's achievements in Spain. They are irrelevant. He's at United now and he's averaging one howler a game and infecting the back four with uncertainty.

Cool story bro, cheers for the mega-Lols.

SlickRic wrote: »

i take it anyone whose slagging de Gea is only going on a couple of mistakes he's made in the last few games, yeah?

i take it you haven't watched him be the no.1 keeper for a top La Liga club as a teenager?

and seen him perform extremely well while doing so?

or see him be integral to his country winning tournaments at underage level?

yeah, thought so.

he's not started ideally, but writing him off after 4 competitive games; games where he wasn't even that bad, is possibly the most retarded thing i've ever read in any superthread from a team's fan.

and i don't say that lightly.

i reckon you should sell him for £10m and buy Friedel off Spurs. much better

Well said Ric, but surely Friedel is worth more than 10M?

Mitch Connor

mars bar wrote: »

...but you supported them when they were on the pitch in the United jersey regardless, yes?

No - I have been, or was, screaming SELL THEM FERGIE, SELL THEM, from the second they screwed up. We should have got rid of Rio and brought in Richie Dunne.

Mars Bar

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No - I have been, or was, screaming SELL THEM FERGIE, SELL THEM, from the second they screwed up. We should have got rid of Rio and brought in Richie Dunne.

Oh wait, my sarcasm detector has just booted up again.

Hank Scorpio

Can't say the start of his United career has not been a disaster, but the lad needs time. If people are getting on his back this early It will only add to the pressure on him. He just needs a chance. Judge him at the end of the season.

PHB

I don't understand why we're having this discussion, no new information or arguments have emerged since the last time we've had it.

Nalz

PHB wrote: »

I don't understand why we're having this discussion, no new information or arguments have emerged since the last time we've had it.

Hernandez to start vs Bolton lads? With Danny unfortunately out a change has to be made. Berba surely will be pissed if its not him!

Blatter

Trilla wrote: »

Hernandez to start vs Bolton lads? With Danny unfortunately out a change has to be made. Berba surely will be pissed if its not him!

Ya, Hernandez.

He got another match under his belt this weekend with Mexico and got a goal as well.

Berbatov won't be expecting to start.

Mr Alan

Slick, only one person is saying that DeGea is brutal or should be sold etc & everyone is in agreement that he is talking ****e. However there is others who have gone way to far in the other direction in an effort counter act that. Those people have come out with equally ridiculous statements.

PHB

Blatter wrote: »

Ya, Hernandez.

He got another match under his belt this weekend with Mexico and got a goal as well.

Berbatov won't be expecting to start.

I'd really like to see Berbatov in this system, if he could adjust his game slightly, in terms of increased mobility, his passing skill would work wonders with the team if he has runners around him.

Nalz

PHB wrote: »

I'd really like to see Berbatov in this system, if he could adjust his game slightly, in terms of increased mobility, his passing skill would work wonders with the team if he has runners around him.

I agree PHB, but I doubt it will happen.

3 points away to Bolton would be massive.

Anyone think Carrick/Fletcher will take Cleverlys place for it?

Blatter

PHB wrote: »

I'd really like to see Berbatov in this system, if he could adjust his game slightly, in terms of increased mobility, his passing skill would work wonders with the team if he has runners around him.

I think the only way he'd be really effective in the system is if he plays instead of Rooney, which isn't going to happen a whole lot. And Rooney is just too good at the moment to remove from his current number 10 position to revert him to the number 9 role.

We need a centre forward playing that will stretch defenses and burst his bollix off getting into the box. Someone to play on the shoulder. I think it's essential to have this type of player in order get the best out of both Rooney and our wingers.

Unfortunately for Berbatov, he just isn't that player.

Wolfe Tone

Berbatov would slow it right down, as would Carrick imo

Nalz

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Berbatov would slow it right down, as would Carrick imo

so Fletch and Chico to start vs Bolton? I can see Cleverly being left out (not that he did anything wrong) and Berba getting the sulks on!

Blatter

Giggs and Park are in line for a start as they should be fresh after their international break.

Davies will be sure to give de Gea are rough time aswell.

It'll probably be the same team that played Arsenal though, except Hernandez for Welbeck and Ferdinand for Evans/Jones.

Hard to change a team around too much that just won 8-2.

K-9

Sean Bateman wrote: »

The tabloids are queuing up to destroy him.

Indeed. Point proven M'Lord.

Son Of A Vidic

I haven't been in this thread for a while and when I come back I see the DeGea debate is still raging, unbelievable really. Good ongoing communication between a keeper and his defenders is an ingredient of all top defenses. Now when you consider we have a young lad who can't speak the language, I think he has done fantastic. I would have expected a lot more mix-ups to have occurred and the fact they they haven't, is a testament to the lad.

SlickRic

Mr Alan wrote: »

Slick, only one person is saying that DeGea is brutal or should be sold etc & everyone is in agreement that he is talking ****e. However there is others who have gone way to far in the other direction in an effort counter act that. Those people have come out with equally ridiculous statements.

agreed.

and if i'd seen those posts, i'd have ridiculed them as well.

Mr Alan

SlickRic wrote: »

agreed.

and if i'd seen those posts, i'd have ridiculed them as well.

There was one right above your post this morning!

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Now when you consider we have a young lad who can't speak the language, I think he has done fantastic.

He has done fantastic so far?! REALLY?!

PHB

Mods, seriously, is there some reason we can't have a separate thread for the De Gea debate? It's getting pretty ludicrous at this stage and really hampering at least my enjoyment of this superthread.

Liam O

Mr Alan wrote: »

There was one right above your post this morning!



He has done fantastic so far?! REALLY?!

I'd say De Gea is easily the best keeper in the world right now.

It's good too because before the last game I thought he was the worst keeper in the world .

Quandary

PHB wrote: »

Mods, seriously, is there some reason we can't have a separate thread for the De Gea debate? It's getting pretty ludicrous at this stage and really hampering at least my enjoyment of this superthread.

Could not agree more with this.

There is already a thread going on called "Lucas fu*king Leiva" - started by you Alan if I am not mistaken?

That thread was started because the Lucas bickering was getting annoying and imo, was just being used as an indirect method of trolling. The Lucas thread is over 700 posts at this stage, and is still getting hits & replies.

In the Utd superthread, if one was to go back im sure we have enough rabble about De Gea to fill at least half of that Lucas thread. Surely this is an indication it could do with a thread of its own?

RasTa

Mr Alan wrote: »

There was one right above your post this morning!



He has done fantastic so far?! REALLY?!

Yup 3 games, top of the league. One clean sheet and a peno save. This is all down to De Gea.

jaykay74

PHB wrote: »

Mods, seriously, is there some reason we can't have a separate thread for the De Gea debate? It's getting pretty ludicrous at this stage and really hampering at least my enjoyment of this superthread.

Surely it just needs someone to start a thread for David "f*cking" De Gea. I am too lazy to carry out this task sadly

Mr Alan wrote an excellent OP for Lucas maybe as one of the most frequent posters on the Utd superthread he could give it a go.

Mitch Connor

We could just use this, which was created to get the irritating amount of posts our of this thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73825290

jaykay74

Mitch Connor wrote: »

We could just use this, which was created to get the irritating amount of posts our of this thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73825290

OK, so its been tried and locked up. Shame.

parc

lads if you look at his "howlers" they weren't that bad

what was it, two shots that he should have gotten down to save. yeah ok, they were bad, he should have saved them but they were similar to the mighty van der Sar in the CL final (messi's shot)

De Gea's reactions were a bit slow for something that should be standard. I'm sure he was just a bit rusty and the spring in his step will come back.

I'm sure they're drilling him relentlessly at utd. On the plus side, as people have said, his distribution looks class and looks comfortable with the ball at his feet. People mention that van der Vart incident, but he was charging straight at De Gea, who skinned him and was then fouled

The footwork/control thing must be a product of Spanish coaching. I'm gonna stop chatting about this now, it's headwrecking. I'm looking forward to the next game to see how he does

smokedeels

DDG couldn't do much about this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU6iq0zk3tE

FutureGuy

smokedeels wrote: »

DDG couldn't do much about this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU6iq0zk3tE

Oh ffs, I'm outa here until matchday.

PARlance

Quandary wrote: »

Could not agree more with this.

There is already a thread going on called "Lucas fu*king Leiva" - started by you Alan if I am not mistaken?

That thread was started because the Lucas bickering was getting annoying and imo, was just being used as an indirect method of trolling. The Lucas thread is over 700 posts at this stage, and is still getting hits & replies.

In the Utd superthread, if one was to go back im sure we have enough rabble about De Gea to fill at least half of that Lucas thread. Surely this is an indication it could do with a thread of its own?

the Water DeGEAt thread, please set it up/allow it.
I've just started on boards soccer and I'm losing the will...

Mr Moon

I used to love reading this thread, now it's become a chore to read!

Blatter

Are Manchester United really that much better than Liverpool?

According to this article, they're not.

Don't forget to click on the 'continue reading on page 2'.

Livened up my morning anyway:pac:

PARlance

Blatter wrote: »

Are Manchester United really that much better than Liverpool?

According to this article, they're not.

Don't forget to click on the 'continue reading on page 2'.

Livened up my morning anyway:pac:

Agger – 8 & Carragher – 8 v Ferdinand – 7 & Vidic – 9


Giving the cruise ship an 8...

A balanced article

tommyhaas

Blatter wrote: »

Are Manchester United really that much better than Liverpool?

According to this article, they're not.

Don't forget to click on the 'continue reading on page 2'.

Livened up my morning anyway:pac:

The article's a joke, but every club has their share of these type of fans. It wasn't long ago I saw someone here claim Utd were playing a brand of football which Barca would envy

bullvine

Blatter wrote: »

Are Manchester United really that much better than Liverpool?

According to this article, they're not.

Don't forget to click on the 'continue reading on page 2'.

Livened up my morning anyway:pac:

Holy God, liverpool fans aren't deluded at all..

Masked Man

Suarez – 10 & Carroll – 7 v Rooney – 9 & Hernandez – 7

Yeah right.

Meireles – 9

Wonder if he still rate Raul so highly? Or if he's gone into bitter Liverpool fan mode.