Your favourite unsolved mystery?

oneilla

Stigura wrote: »

My thoughts exactly. I hit google with her name. Then images. Looked. Thought; " Oh ..... " and lost any shred of interest right there.

It's got a strong whiff of "somebody, somewhere knows something"* but can't say due to whatever, lack of proof, libel laws etc.

Poor girl, only 15

*Edit eg. "Ms Kenny – a sister of Amy’s father – said there is cause to inquire into Amy’s life in the lead-up to her disappearance"

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/people-urged-to-speak-out-over-missing-amy-fitzpatrick-1.2967240

SnakePlissken

pc7 wrote: »

odyssey06 wrote: »

The disappearance of Amy Fitzpatrick:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Amy_Fitzpatrick

I don't know how her mother gets out of bed in the morning, losing her daughter then her son, id either be 6 feet under or insane, horrifically sad life.!

No sympathy for that woman, she has blood on her hands for bringing that murderer into the lives of those poor kids.

ligerdub

oneilla wrote: »

Go on...

For the sake of not being booted off this site (:D) I'll stick to brief summary of what I think is the extreme likelihood.

I think the child died in the apartment and her body was disposed of. In any event I'm near certain that she must be dead by now.

There's a plethora of material online (Cue tinfoil hat accusations) which strongly suggest the above.

- The McCanns left the long discredited photo of "Tannerman" on the Find Madeleine website. They decided not to include the well known Smithman photo on the same site.

- What was the motive for such a crime? There was never any indication of a ransom note or as to who took her and why? Despite the almost caricature photo-fits there hasn't been a similar incident either before or since in the area.

- There were other children in the same room as Madeleine, yet they were left undisturbed.

- It seems fairly clear that the shutters were tampered with and the locks also jammied with from the inside.

Other oddities although I stress this is just something I myself find odd. Feel free to differ.

- The media have noticed criticism of the McCanns online and doorstepped individuals. That's considered gospel, and newsworthy. Very strange! Why?

- They spent a lot of money on PR and lawyers, and was a purpose of of their fundraising and mentioned as such in the very early days. This is a reasonable rationale for the fact that they are so well received by the British media.

- They've never had much of a social media presence, yet they claim to be trolled. How does that work? In any event if you're child was missing I think you'd take every avenue possible to spread your message or to be available for contact from people or to put your message out.

- They were preparing for "10 year anniversary" over a year ago, on the assumption that Madeleine would still be unfound. Not in itself a bad thing to prepare for, but the fact that they seemed so certain seems disconcerting to me.

- Several criminologists either refuse to comment on the case, or in the odd case will suggest the parents are aware of what actually happened. I'm unaware of any who buy into the idea that somebody broke into the apartment and abducted the child.

- The McCanns steadfastly claim their daughter was abducted but refuse to believe that she could be dead. This seems a rather strange conclusion to make in my opinion!

ligerdub

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In 2010 the richest 388 people billionaires had as much wealth as the poorest 3.6 billion people.

The it dropped to 62 billionaires.

Now just EIGHT billionaires have as much wealth as half of humanity.


How can democracies not consider this a major problem /

Is there some correlation here to the massive boom in equities since then in fairness?

Beyondgone

What happened to Trevor, seemingly.

Autosport

Madeline Mcann: 10 years missing is on tv3 now

oneilla

Beyondgone wrote: »

What happened to Trevor, seemingly.

To be quite honest I think it was an unfortunate set of circumstances that left no clues.

Missing persons cases throw up a lot of weird anomalies (I've only found this out lately after some googling post- recent Trevor Deely appeal).


Few examples:

woman goes missing, boyfriend suspected, woman returns a few weeks later after a mental health issue which led to a stay in a psychiatric unit. http://www.cracked.com/article_24208_the-5-most-unbelievable-twists-in-real-missing-persons-cases.html
(It's anonymous and on cracked.com so take it with a pinch of salt but seems plausible)


A family of two adults and two children missing from their home and their car was then found near the Mexican border - they had left food behind in the house ie. on a table suggesting they had left in a hurry . Plenty of theories were advanced but their bodies were found years later buried in a shallow grave. It turns out that a business associate of the father is charged with murder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McStay_family_murder#Disappearance

John List, 1971. Family found murdered, List disappears without a trace and 18years later is found in a different state living and working under a false/new identity, later charged with murder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_List


Closer to home there was weird stuff in the disappearances of Robert Holohan and Elaine O'Hara. Both are later determined to be murders and result in criminal convictions. Phillip Cairns and that schoolbag which showed up in a laneway...

Esra Uryan, married mother of one disappeared from Collinstown in 2011 - she drove to the shops which were 5mins away yet the journey took 35mins. An hour later her car shows up in Bray. The woman is never seen again and the driver of the car in Bray is not identified as Esra. A set of missing cars keys appear in a Neilstown chipper months later.
http://www.herald.ie/news/missing-esras-car-keys-found-in-a-takeaway-28009219.html

Pareicia Sarah Abott, goes missing from Wales, last seen near the sea in Tenby, her skull later shows up in a fishing trawlers net and as a result of some tremendous investigative work is identified
http://www.wexfordpeople.ie/news/retired-gardas-efforts-led-to-identification-of-skull-27729551.html

Blathnaid Timothy, disappears from Dublin City Centre after getting into a taxi, people fear the worst, evidence later points to suicide despite an inquest returning an open verdict
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/blathnaid-suicide-was-suspected-from-start-26612334.html

Capt'n Midnight

There was a lad picked up 13 miles off the coast on a surfboard.

Would it have been a mystery if he hadn't been found ?

Mysterypunter

How Jimmy White never won the snooker

Aspadeaspade

Paddy Cow wrote: »

That one has been explained. They thought the cargo could explode so they entered the lifeboat which they attacked to the main ship by a rope. There was a storm which presumably cut the lifeboat from the main ship. The people on the life boat were lost at sea. After ten days, no way would they find any wreckage or bodies.

Surely after a storm there wouldn't have been cutlery and the like out on the table as was described years ago!? That 'explanation' seems like a bit of a cop out to be honest.

Junkyard Tom

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

How can democracies not consider this a major problem /

Propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdR6lhN4bk

check_six

Aspadeaspade wrote: »

Surely after a storm there wouldn't have been cutlery and the like out on the table as was described years ago!? That 'explanation' seems like a bit of a cop out to be honest.

A lot of the more colourful details of the Mary Celeste come from a telling of the mystery by Arthur Conan Doyle. He changed the name of the ship to Marie Celeste, and included the details about the table set for dinner, etc. that he could not have known, but certainly sounded good. It made for such a compelling tale that we still discuss the mystery today. I think the reality was a bit more mundane than the Doyle version. Still mysterious, but there have been some good efforts at explanations, like the crew's fear of exploding alcohol fumes as has been suggested above.

Arne_Saknussem

Mysterypunter wrote: »

How Jimmy White never won the snooker

Mystery Solved:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jimmy-white-admits-to-crack-cocaine-addiction-drugs-probably-cost-me-ten-world-titles-9835285.html

Are Am Eye

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Mystery Solved:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jimmy-white-admits-to-crack-cocaine-addiction-drugs-probably-cost-me-ten-world-titles-9835285.html

I think there was an issue of bottle as well as drugs. His game was outstanding most of the time. But when the pressure was on, particularly in finals his game became ordinary, even below ordinary. Players who won the world championship could excel when the fat was in the pan.

Dohnjoe

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In 2010 the richest 388 people billionaires had as much wealth as the poorest 3.6 billion people.

The it dropped to 62 billionaires.

Now just EIGHT billionaires have as much wealth as half of humanity.


How can democracies not consider this a major problem /

Wealth inequality is considered an economic problem and a pretty major issue

However these figures don't show the full picture, i.e. they don't show how the situation for the poor is improving year after year

The world managed to halve global poverty in just two decades

Also some often wrongly assume there is a limited amount of "wealth" in the world - wealth is created, the poor are also getting wealthier

Massively wealthy individuals are a by-product of a system that is also currently working better than any other systems in the past at improving the aggregate wealth and living standards of everyone (a system that is far from perfect, but constantly being tweaked etc)

Obviously it's better to move towards narrower inequality, e.g. somewhere like Denmark - the highest paid in a company on average receives about 4 times the lowest paid (whereas in the US that gap is significantly larger)

Worth mentioning that Switzerland recently had a vote to limit highest paid to 12 times that of the lowest paid in a company - and the notion was strongly rejected as most Swiss felt it would make the country as a whole less competitive

Electric Sheep

odyssey06 wrote: »

The disappearance of Amy Fitzpatrick:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Amy_Fitzpatrick

I'd say there are at least two people to whom that is not a mystery.

keeponhurling

LordSutch wrote: »

Why did Kate say "they've taken her"?

That always bothers me, as how did Kate think anybody took her? My 1st reaction would have been "We can find Maddie" or there's no sign of Maddie!

Wonder why Kate said "They've taken her"?

Reminds me of when the police called OJ Simpson to notify him Nicole Brown was dead.

Instead of asking what happened, he of course just asked was she really dead? In that case, he'd fly back to LA the next day.

sashafierce

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WHIP IT!

sashafierce wrote: »

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I don't think you're one of the few. I think there are so many theories and possibilities and, unfortunately, it looks likely the truth will never be known...

sashafierce

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Lollipops23

sashafierce wrote: »

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I have no idea if they killed her, but I certainly think they know more than they let on.

Just too many odd behaviours. I don't know why or how they've stayed actively in the spotlight, instead of focussing on raising their other 2 kids.

WHIP IT!

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I have no idea if they killed her, but I certainly think they know more than they let on.

Just too many odd behaviours. I don't know why or how they've stayed actively in the spotlight, instead of focussing on raising their other 2 kids.

What an odd statement. You think they've neglected their two kids while making an effort to 'stay in the spotlight'??

oneilla

I think it's unlikely that the McCaans his Madeleine's body - they would've only had an hour as one of the party they were with checked on the children at 9pm

It seems to me that it would be even less likely that if the parents did anything that they would involve one of the "Tapas 7" because the more people that knew increases the chances of someone spilling the beans.

Lollipops23

WHIP IT! wrote: »

What an odd statement. You think they've neglected their two kids while making an effort to 'stay in the spotlight'??

I mean focussing on them, rather than refusing to move on. I'm not saying they should forget Madeleine, but those two kids have only ever known this saga. Their parents have spent 10 years popping up every few months to sue somebody and appearing in the media to remind us all of their loss. They even gave up work (at least Kate did, I don't know about Gerry).

You can't tell me this all hasn't had a detrimental effect on their little lives?

Ben Needham's mum still crops up the odd time (when there's been a development), but from year to year you don't hear from her. She's gotten on with her life, grieving but still living.

sashafierce

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Whispered

Lollipops23 wrote: »

They even gave up work (at least Kate did, I don't know about Gerry).
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Maybe, rather than suggesting that she wasn't focusing her other two kids, the fact she gave up work might suggest that she wants to spend more time with them. I'm sure that loosing a child makes you reevaluate things.

MadDog76

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

There was a lad picked up 13 miles off the coast on a surfboard.

Would it have been a mystery if he hadn't been found ?

That's kinda how a mystery works!

I think we'll rename you Captain Obvious ..........

J Mysterio

mkhall wrote: »

I love the show unsolved mysteries but I saw this on Reddit a few years ago...This never fails to freak me out!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident

I'm liking the bear theory right now. Freaky/ fascinating case though.

Larsso30

who shot down President Habyarimana plane.

Always believed myself it was the Rwanda army that used it as a catalyst to start the genocide.

fxotoole

Was Liam Lawlor bumped off because he had so much dirt on Fianna Fail and/or his globalist/elitist buddies?

Stars and Stripes

Maybe it's been mentioned by someone else but mine is the mystery of the Mary Celeste. Watched the movie about it as a kid and it's always stuck in my mind.

http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/what-happened-to-the-mary-celeste

oneilla

fxotoole wrote: »

Was Liam Lawlor bumped off because he had so much dirt on Fianna Fail and/or his globalist/elitist buddies?

'Fianna Fail' and 'dirt' were hardly mutually exclusive secrets in 2005!

Sin City

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Maybe it's been mentioned by someone else but mine is the mystery of the Mary Celeste. Watched the movie about it as a kid and it's always stuck in my mind.

http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/what-happened-to-the-mary-celeste

Its been solved



https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/inthenews/itn060522

Stars and Stripes

Sin City wrote: »

Its been solved



https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/inthenews/itn060522

There's been quite a few theory's and books published claiming to have 'solved' the mystery of the Mary Celeste, such as an alleged survivor admitting to murdering all, to natural gas over coming those on board and falling over the side, to a giant octopus attacking the ship.

Hector Bellend

9/11

KKkitty

Hector Bellend wrote: »

9/11

I saw a YouTube video that might shed some light on the towers the way they collapsed. The heat of the jet fuel coupled with the sprinkler systems on all floors caused the heat from the fires to be magnified by enough to compromise the structural stability of the steel beams. The video used the example of adding water to a frying pan with hot oil. Other videos had people who said they heard sounds like bombs going off at regular intervals like what would happen with a controlled demolition. It's hard to know what to believe with 9/11 though.

odyssey06

Hector Bellend wrote: »

9/11

Hmmm... I think I'll stick with the conventional explanation there.

Approached purely from a conspiracy theory perspective, if there's some secret cabal willing to stage something on this scale, I hardly doubt they would have any qualms about planting some WMDs in Iraq to conveniently 'find'.

ligerdub

Hector Bellend wrote:

9/11

The video evidence is fairly strong on that one ha!

AndyBoBandy

ligerdub wrote: »

The video evidence is fairly strong on that one ha!

Not for building 7

the first building in the world to collapse due to a few minor fires scattered around a few various floors. (co-incedently the same building that was housing the FBI's investigations into various Wall St. irregularities)

The video evidence on building 7 suggests a controlled demolition, with most demolition experts calling it the perfect demolition.

Building 7 falling

It really couldn't have fallen any better.

bear1

The thing about 9/11 that just doesn't make sense is the pentagon footage.
Not a hope that damage was done a plane.

KKkitty

bear1 wrote: »

The thing about 9/11 that just doesn't make sense is the pentagon footage.
Not a hope that damage was done a plane.

One of the most important buildings in America and not one bit of concrete footage of a plane going into it. Saw another YouTube video talking about that. They showed the damage close enough and there was no chance of it being a plane I think.

Capt'n Midnight

Hector Bellend wrote: »

9/11

That was organised by the US Government.

Dohnjoe

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Not for building 7

the first building in the world to collapse due to a few minor fires scattered around a few various floors. (co-incedently the same building that was housing the FBI's investigations into various Wall St. irregularities)

The video evidence on building 7 suggests a controlled demolition, with most demolition experts calling it the perfect demolition.

Building 7 falling

It really couldn't have fallen any better.

There is no mystery

The overwhelmingly strongest theory is that building 7 fell due to unchecked fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Collapse_of_7_World_Trade_Center

There is no other substantiated theory that even comes close. Same for 911.

sozbox

bear1 wrote: »

The thing about 9/11 that just doesn't make sense is the pentagon footage.
Not a hope that damage was done a plane.

So where's the plane then? Can that by my favourite unsolved mystery

bear1

sozbox wrote: »

So where's the plane then? Can that by my favourite unsolved mystery

Apparently it went into the pentagon.

Dohnjoe

bear1 wrote: »

Apparently it went into the pentagon.

Flight 77 went into the Pentagon

Unfortunately, directly after the attack conspiracy theorists went into overdrive producing some (quite convincing) material doubting the attack - this stuff went completely unchecked for quite awhile

It's only later that people actually made an effort to (easily) debunk it.

e.g. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

tomwaterford

bear1 wrote: »

Apparently it went into the pentagon.

100 ft into it...it seems

People are having issues with the scale of the pentagon.
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4365662/amp/FBI-pictures-reveal-aftermath-9-11-attack-Pentagon.html

Paddy Cow

KKkitty wrote: »

I saw a YouTube video that might shed some light on the towers the way they collapsed. The heat of the jet fuel coupled with the sprinkler systems on all floors caused the heat from the fires to be magnified by enough to compromise the structural stability of the steel beams. The video used the example of adding water to a frying pan with hot oil. Other videos had people who said they heard sounds like bombs going off at regular intervals like what would happen with a controlled demolition. It's hard to know what to believe with 9/11 though.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Not for building 7

the first building in the world to collapse due to a few minor fires scattered around a few various floors. (co-incedently the same building that was housing the FBI's investigations into various Wall St. irregularities)

The video evidence on building 7 suggests a controlled demolition, with most demolition experts calling it the perfect demolition.

Building 7 falling

It really couldn't have fallen any better.

Controlled demolitions take months and months of preparation. There is absolutely no way that even ninja's could've sneaked in for months and planted the required explosives for this to happen. The terrorists simply got lucky that the planes caused so much damage.

There will always be people who prefer to believe in a conspiracy despite all the evidence to the contrary. It's like those anti-vaccers who are still convinced that the MMR causes autism, despite the doctor being discredited and struck off. It's even got to the stage where some people think all vaccines can cause autism :rolleyes:

Cianmcliam

Watch building 7 falling, the penthouse falls into the interior of the building before the outer structure starts to collapse, that is not a controlled demolition. In controlled demolitions the charges all go at the same time so the building doesn't topple over. It falls into its own footprint. Trying to do a controlled demolition in two stages is not possible, the first set of charges would destroy the cabling etc. for the second set of charges.

KKkitty

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Controlled demolitions take months and months of preparation. There is absolutely no way that even ninja's could've sneaked in for months and planted the required explosives for this to happen. The terrorists simply got lucky that the planes caused so much damage.

There will always be people who prefer to believe in a conspiracy despite all the evidence to the contrary. It's like those anti-vaccers who are still convinced that the MMR causes autism, despite the doctor being discredited and struck off. It's even got to the stage where some people think all vaccines can cause autism :rolleyes:

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but as you said once certain seeds of doubt are planted some people will think anything that they believe to be plausible.