Your favourite unsolved mystery?

Mehaffey1

oneilla wrote: »

Barry Cummins' book Missing

Available on Audible which is cool, have downloaded it now.

oneilla

MattS1 wrote: »

Would it be possible for anyone to post the articles here or a link to them?

Broadsheet article which links to other posts they wrote at the time of the renewed appeal with the enhanced footage

Irish Independent article from 2001 if you can get beyond the paywall

Part 1 of Rosita Boland's 3part series of articles

JeffreyEpspeen

Ireland's version of Jimmy Hoffa, what happened to Robert Nairac's body after he was murdered.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They have solved another of the cyphers left by the Zodiac Killer. Unfortunately not the one that contains his name

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Zodiac-340-cypher-cracked-by-code-expert-51-years-15794943.php

Doesn’t give us much new information though.

punchdrunk wrote: »

So many have tried for so long thinking this would crack the case- sadly not but still an amazing feat!

It does give a disturbing insight into his mindset of collecting victims as slaves for the afterlife though.


http://zodiackillerfacts.com/news-and-updates/breaking-news-the-zodiacs-340-cipher-has-been-solved/

The BTK killer used to go on about that too, afterlife slaves. Creeps.

silliussoddius

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Doesn’t give us much new information though.



The BTK killer used to go on about that too, afterlife slaves. Creeps.

Sounds very similar to the virgins in the afterlife that islamic suicide bombers go on about.

jill_valentine

silliussoddius wrote: »

Sounds very similar to the virgins in the afterlife that islamic suicide bombers go on about.

So... you know the way Irish Catholicism has a bunch of weirdness that isn't officially preached or on paper or Vatican approved and just sort of floats around as kind of fringe local folklore, like somebody Having The Cure and giving it to you with the right prayers or whatever?

The idea of having slaves in the afterlife, and sometimes specifically ones that you've killed in your lifetime, is something I've heard more than once associated with fringe/former/weirdo offshoot Mormons. Doesn't have any doctrinal basis that I'm aware of apart from one woman who was adopted as an "eternal" slave by the Smiths, Mormonism seeming to allow for the concept of somebody being a slave forever, and the idea of getting to be "God like" in the afterlife, interpreted by some fringer areas as getting to rule your own "sphere".

EDIT -

I see I'm not the only person who has heard of something like this.

Suckit

Didn't the Norse or Vikings kill/sacrifice slaves and others so that they could help them in valhalla or their versions of heaven?

DoozerT6

What happened to the Roanoake colonists?

FishHook

DoozerT6 wrote: »

What happened to the Roanoake colonists?

I think this one was pretty much solved. It is thought that they moved to a neighbouring island/area. The name of the place was carved on a tree where the settlers had been.

The White Feather

I recently stumbled across this old case. Who killed Harry Oakes?

Harry Oakes was an American who made his fortune in a gold mine and then moved to the Bahamas. This is back in 1935. He helped expand the Bahamas using his wealth and all seemed good.

Then in 1943 he was killed with an ice pick. A miners hand pick was used to hit him behind the ear to disguise the ice pick wound. Then his body burned with insecticide and then the body sprinkled with feathers from a mattress!!

Just at that time his daughter had eloped with Count Alfred De Marigny. So they thought he did it but his daughter stood by him. Because it was the middle of WW2 Scotland Yard detectives would be difficult to bring over. So they brought 2 American detectives from Miami. They forgot their own fingerprint kits so had to use the locals. They took over the case when they were only meant to help the locals and supposedly found a fingerprint of Count Alfred at the scene. Later it was found that they used his print from a glass of water when they were questioning him!

Even though everyone thought Alfred did it, he was acquitted as the detectives fabricated evidence. The jury said that he was an "unsavoury character" though and he got deported after the trial!

So who did it? There have been a load of books written about it. Some saying Alfred did indeed do it and Alfred himself wrote a book on it. One of the most recent ones was one saying it was a local conspiracy as Oakes was going to leave and take his money. Then this would cripple the Bahamas and people there had to do something to keep his money there.

The Wikipedia page about it is here. It is fascinating stuff!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Oakes#Murder

The White Feather

This may be the greatest unsolved mystery ever!! :pac:

Cheerful Spring2

Hamsterchops wrote: »

About 200 pages ago I mentioned flight MH370.

Time to bring it up again.

Yes there are several theories, but nobody is 100% sure exactly what happened to that flight. Pilot suicide, possibly? Hijacking gone wrong, possibly? Sabotage, possibly? Cockpit depressurisation, possibly? Fire in the cargo bay, possibly?

Big mystery.

Cockpit depressurization, lack of oxygen i think probably right, but a guess.. Pilots maybe feel asleep after it? End of plane.

BorneTobyWilde

Chicago Tylenol murders


The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.

No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings

Strumms

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Cockpit depressurization, lack of oxygen i think probably right, but a guess.. Pilots maybe feel asleep after it? End of plane.

With depressurization the cockpit will get a warning that something is going amiss with the pressure. Masks too should deploy in the cabin automatically... they are not deployed automatically in the cockpit the crew need to get and put on but they are beside them literally... that’s why it’s so weird.... nothing about that accident if it indeed was one, makes sense.

firefly08

Strumms wrote: »

With depressurization the cockpit will get a warning that something is going amiss with the pressure. Masks too should deploy in the cabin automatically... they are not deployed automatically in the cockpit the crew need to get and put on but they are beside them literally... that’s why it’s so weird.... nothing about that accident if it indeed was one, makes sense.

Not to mention the maneuvers the plane made to go off course, and the transponder being turned off - it didn't do those things by itself while the pilots fell asleep. Someone had to do it on purpose.

McGinniesta

JFK Assassination

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Chicago Tylenol murders


The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.

No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings

According to Wiki, court documents say that they believe that the guy who tried to exhort Johnson and Johnson really was the guy who did it but that they just didn’t have enough evidence to charge him.

frag420

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Chicago Tylenol murders


The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.

No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings

At least they had no more headaches...

odyssey06

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Chicago Tylenol murders
The Chicago Tylenol Murders were a series of poisoning deaths resulting from drug tampering in the Chicago metropolitan area in 1982. The victims had all taken Tylenol-branded acetaminophen capsules that had been laced with potassium cyanide.[1] A total of seven people died in the original poisonings, with several more deaths in subsequent copycat crimes.
No suspect was ever charged or convicted of the poisonings

Acetaminophen is the yanks name for paracetamol.
Some of the copycat murders involved vitamin pills.

I was curious how the meds were tampered with... I guess this is why we now have packaging that makes it obvious it was interfered with.

Wiki says
The source was most likely supermarkets and drug stores, over a period of several weeks, with the culprit likely adding the cyanide to the capsules, then methodically returning to the stores to place the bottles back on the shelves.

ozmo

Oldtree wrote: »

Were Arthur c Clarke's crystal skulls really made in ancient times. Always wanted one.

This was my fav mystery - the level of technology and the amount of trees it would have taken to melt and shape the glass was above anything they could have produced - I saw the Arthur C Clarke one once displayed in the British Museum. Featured of course in an Indianna Jones movie....

Its gone from the Museum now - they discovered tiny tool cut marks that indicated it was finished on a fairly modern cutting wheel - so, fake unfortunately, all of them. Good to know though.

The Nal

McGinniesta wrote: »

JFK Assassination

Solved 57 years ago

ACitizenErased

Peter Bergman remains my favourite unsolved mystery. Can't get my head around it.

EmmetSpiceland

The Nal wrote: »

Solved 57 years ago

‘Mythbusters’ did a piece about it and proved it was well within Oswald’s abilities to get off 3 shots in that timeframe.

Always strikes me as odd that Oswald’s links to a previous assassination “attempt” of an army general rarely gets mentioned.

The Nal

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

‘Mythbusters’ did a piece about it and proved it was well within Oswald’s abilities to get off 3 shots in that timeframe.

Always strikes me as odd that Oswald’s links to a previous assassination “attempt” of an army general rarely gets mentioned.

Because it reinforces his motive which doesn't suit the conspiracy theorist narrative. Unfortunately about 95% of books and writing on the subject are pro conspiracy and they've ruined it as a case.

minisue

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

As well as Jill Dando, Sophie Toscan Du Plantier and MH 370.

minisue

minisue wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

It really is fascinating. I went down that rabbit hole a while back and it's a right mind-bender.

The Nal

I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.

minisue

OMG thanks - I haven't seen that one.



Must take a look. the whole story is fascinating and annoying all at once.

Hangdogroad

minisue wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

As well as Jill Dando, Sophie Toscan Du Plantier and MH 370.

Barry George lives in Cork these days. Ive come across him a few times . A deeply strange man.

Hamsterchops

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Barry George lives in Cork these days. Ive come across him a few times . A deeply strange man.

But did he murder Jill Dando?

That's the unsolved mystery.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

odyssey06 wrote: »

Acetaminophen is the yanks name for paracetamol.
Some of the copycat murders involved vitamin pills.

I was curious how the meds were tampered with... I guess this is why we now have packaging that makes it obvious it was interfered with.

Wiki says
The source was most likely supermarkets and drug stores, over a period of several weeks, with the culprit likely adding the cyanide to the capsules, then methodically returning to the stores to place the bottles back on the shelves.

I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that. :cool:

mrsdewinter

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that. :cool:

Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.

Strumms

The Nal wrote: »

I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.

It’s seriously interesting... the fact that they’ve had so many potential suspects but never anywhere near getting their man or having as far as we know, a genuine suspect ...i first read about the story online about 15 years ago and it blew my mind... really intriguing... and frustrating.....

Joe Don Dante

JeffreyEpspeen wrote: »

Ireland's version of Jimmy Hoffa, what happened to Robert Nairac's body after he was murdered.

cut up and put through a mincer .

igCorcaigh

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that. :cool:

Interesting!

Aren't capsule parts widely available to buy?

ohnonotgmail

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.

the cotton was to stop the tablets rattling around in the bottle.

Hangdogroad

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But did he murder Jill Dando?

That's the unsolved mystery.

Wouldnt rule him out.
Resembles suspect seen acting suspiciously just before murder.
Obsession with guns. Photo of him posing with pistol.
Very unhealthy obsession with female celebrities.
Lived nearby.
Gunshot residue in coat pocket.
Suspicious behaviour following murder.
History of weird stalkerish behaviour.

No hard evidence however to tie him to it.

Padraig Mor

The Nal wrote: »

I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.

Downloaded that to watch tonight. Came across the following recently as well - another in a million theories of course but I have to say the guy makes a very persuasive argument as to how the skyjacking possibly took place - he doesn't identify a suspect but makes a good case that it was probably an active duty US overseas arms forces member - and that he didn't parachute out where is commonly believed:
https://retiredinvestigator.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/updated-ii-db-cooper-step-out-of-the-shadow-spring-2019.pdf

Short read - 13 pages or so.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.

Thanks, mrsdewinter. Very interesting. Were the lids sealed or could you open the bottles with no signs of tampering afterwards?

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Interesting!

Aren't capsule parts widely available to buy?

Yeah, some meds are still available in capsule form. Paracetamol seems to not be though. From a look at my extensive medications collection, only one tablet is in capsule form, a painkiller that is designed to be fast acting. Maybe the capsule format is digested quicker and so hits the bloodstream faster? That particular medication is very strictly controlled though. Not a pick up off the shelf type one.

Thepillowman

Monolake wrote: »

My favourite unsolved mystery is a personal one. A friend and I, both aged about 15 at the time and star watching on a summer night, saw a bright light in the sky moving in very definite triangular shapes and bolting around at a rapid speed. Then it stopped, flashed twice and accelerated away in a straight line at what looked like, from the ground at least, an absolutely astonishing pace.

I am the most cynical and sceptical person imaginable. If it can't be examined, measured or otherwise verified then I don't believe in it. And yet we both saw the same thing that night and to this day, nearly 25 years later, I can't even muster up a layman's explanation of what it was, except that it was definitely, in its most literal sense, an unidentified flying object.

Just catching up on the thread seen something very similar in April of 93.Still can't explain it.

New Home

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the cotton was to stop the tablets rattling around in the bottle.

And to absorb excess moisture. Now they often use silica gel, either in sachets or stuck under the lid.

McGinniesta

The khaman daban incident.

It bears resemblance to the dyatlov pass incident

odyssey06

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah, some meds are still available in capsule form. Paracetamol seems to not be though. From a look at my extensive medications collection, only one tablet is in capsule form, a painkiller that is designed to be fast acting. Maybe the capsule format is digested quicker and so hits the bloodstream faster? That particular medication is very strictly controlled though. Not a pick up off the shelf type one.

I'm sure I got paracetamol in capsule form in Sainsburys own brand in recent years.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/toiletries-health-essentials/sainsburys-paracetamol-capsules-x16

In 'blister' packs though so tampering should be obvious.

Also, Lemsip Cough and Cold pills are capsules.

Capt'n Midnight

Using science to explore a 60-year-old Russian mystery, the Dyatlov Pass incident

On the night of the tragedy, one of the most important contributing factors was the presence of katabatic winds—i.e., winds that carry air down a slope under the force of gravity. These winds could have transported the snow, which would have then accumulated uphill from the tent due to a specific feature of the terrain that the team members were unaware of. "If they hadn't made a cut in the slope, nothing would have happened. That was the initial trigger, but that alone wouldn't have been enough. The katabatic wind probably drifted the snow and allowed an extra load to build up slowly. At a certain point, a crack could have formed and propagated, causing the snow slab to release," says Puzrin.

Was just reading about otto warmbier recently,

American student went to North Korea for new year 2016

was sentenced to 15 years hard labour about March 16...states got him back June 17 but he was in a persistent vegetative state (which parents only found out when he landed in USA)
I suppose not really a mystery as such given what n. Koreans would be capable of (they said it was botulism from a sleeping pill) but no one will ever find out what exactly happened to him after his sentencing in March 2016...

dubstarr

aaronc182 wrote: »

Was just reading about otto warmbier recently,

American student went to North Korea for new year 2016

was sentenced to 15 years hard labour about March 16...states got him back June 17 but he was in a persistent vegetative state (which parents only found out when he landed in USA)
I suppose not really a mystery as such given what n. Koreans would be capable of (they said it was botulism from a sleeping pill) but no one will ever find out what exactly happened to him after his sentencing in March 2016...

Who goes to North Korea,its not exactly known for being welcoming.

Wanderer78

dubstarr wrote:

Who goes to North Korea,its not exactly known for being welcoming.

Many folks have gone, and have returned safely, I'd like to go myself

dubstarr

dubstarr wrote: »

Who goes to North Korea,its not exactly known for being welcoming.

There’s companies that run tours from China...but as an American it was madness to go given how Anti American they are..I think the states have banned citizens from travelling there now as a result

ohnonotgmail

aaronc182 wrote: »

There’s companies that run tours from China...but as an American it was madness to go given how Anti American they are..I think the states have banned citizens from travelling there now as a result

His real problem was that he gave them an excuse to arrest him.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

His real problem was that he gave them an excuse to arrest him.

Yeah that was madness trying to take that poster. Did he not realise how serious they take that stuff
what was going through his head to do that but I suppose he was bit drunk as well...maybe was having good time and felt relaxed being there ....its not the sort of holiday where you can let your guard down