Your favourite unsolved mystery?

Wibbs

In those pics it's even more different. The unipower is rear engined with a rear clamshell. The mystery car is front engined with a front clamshell. The layout of the underpinnings couldn't be any more different if it tried. Your better pic of the mystery car looks like it has gull wing doors, again very different from the Unipower.

They only look close in design because that was the general template for "little sports cars" with front engines of the 1960's. Long bonnet, two seaters, fastback rear.
Ferrari 250 SWB as an example.


This design language was so embedded that the Unipower which is a rear/mid engined car tries to shoehorn very different underpinnings into the same shape. It was only later in the 1960's when Ferrari mid engined race cars came along that the design language started to change and especially when the Lamborghini Miura road car came along that things started to change in that regard.

wilddarts

https://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=13614

More info on the mystery car, and a helpful pic where someone photoshopped out the 2 ladies so u get a better idea of the overall shape, shut lines etc.

Surely someway related one of these?

(Door and front windscreen the same)

https://www.driven.co.nz/lifestyle/classic-cars/rare-sunbeam-has-le-mans-win-pedigree/



https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/feature-cars/1107/harrington-sunbeam-alpine-review

Suckit

wilddarts wrote: »

https://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=13614

More info on the mystery car, and a helpful pic where someone photoshopped out the 2 ladies so u get a better idea of the overall shape, shut lines etc.

If that photoshop is in any way accurate, then surely the gullwing doors are unique in shape?

KevRossi

The U.B.C. (Unidentified Blue Coupe) again. I've been following it for a few years on different forums. It's amazing that nobody has identified it, or the manufacturer.

My two cents:

It's a coach built car, probably a one-off. It was either built on a whim, or built with the intention of brining it around to a few manufacturers to see if they would supply the chassis at cost. Although coach building was starting to slowly die out in the 1960's, it was still a big business at the time and there were a huge amount of very experienced panel beaters in the UK who could build that car on whatever chassis was supplied.

I personally think it used a lot of parts off an Arnott 1100 GT Climax Coupe. I think parts such as the roof, door hinges and windscreen surround are from one. The chassis of the car could be from numerous cars. The rear flanks and front wings look home made, the front wings especially are reminiscent of 1950's cars. The headlight units would be from a normal car manufacturer parts bin. The doors look like an early Lotus Elan.

I think it's a bit of a mystery to car nuts, but it's not a mystery in that it came from space or it was used by USSR spies or something.

odyssey06

KevRossi wrote: »

I think it's a bit of a mystery to car nuts, but it's not a mystery in that it came from space or it was used by USSR spies or something.

They didn't even have the decency to use it in a high profile crime or disappearance!

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful S wrote: »

The car, least a very similar type, on that forum you linked to.

The only real difference i see between both, the color and hubcabs on the wheels.

there are some quite obvious differences between the cars.

the top of the windscreen on the yellow car curves down the wings. the other car has a straight top to the windscreen.

the rear end shape is completely different on both cars.

the door shape is different

the area around the headlights is a very different shape on both cars. the headlights on the yellow car are set back further from the nose.


apart from a vaguely similar shape they are not that alike at all.


ETA I didn't see Wibbs post before I wrote this. What he said.

Itssoeasy

Jill dando. Her name came into my head last night and I decided to read the wiki article and it had a part about her death. I can remember it happening at the time and them convicting Barry George wrongly(I think he lives in Ireland now) and the fact that they seem none the wiser as to who was involved or what it may be connected to is amazing after 22 years.

Doublebusy

Oman Benguit
6 short episodes
Very interesting
Watch without reading the comments

https://youtu.be/_pLLOGcawh0

turniphead

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/17/has-an-old-soviet-mystery-at-last-been-solved

Article about the Dylatov Pass mystery

Hamsterchops

Well I guess the elephant in the room (of unsolved mysteries) is the ongoing mystery of who or what is behind UAPs.

See dedicated UFO thread.

That's the biggest mystery of all, with the US government to give a long awaited account this June, informing us about everything they know about this ongoing mystery!

Hangdogroad

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Jill dando. Her name came into my head last night and I decided to read the wiki article and it had a part about her death. I can remember it happening at the time and them convicting Barry George wrongly(I think he lives in Ireland now) and the fact that they seem none the wiser as to who was involved or what it may be connected to is amazing after 22 years.

Yeah he lives in Cork, he used to call into a since closed second hand bookshop that I frequented. Very strange man.

vriesmays

Some plants are only found in certain parts of the world continents apart but no-one knows why.

Roger_007

This is one of the most intriguing unsolved mysteries of the disappearance of three lighthouse keepers from the lighthouse at Eilean Mor in Scotland:

https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-flannan-isle-mystery-the-three-lighthouse-keepers-who-vanished

astrofool

vriesmays wrote: »

Some plants are only found in certain parts of the world continents apart but no-one knows why.

I'm pretty sure that's explained by continental drift and the 7 or so supercontinents that we know of.

McGinniesta

Is there any truth in the rumour that the DB cooper case was solved.

I trust that it's horseplop

katiek102010

vriesmays wrote: »

Some plants are only found in certain parts of the world continents apart but no-one knows why.

They probably de eloped in the time prior to the continents breaking apart

katiek102010

McGinniesta wrote: »

Is there any truth in the rumour that the DB cooper case was solved.

I trust that it's horseplop

NO truth, I have watched numerous documentaries on it. Suspects are now mostly deceased.

I really want to know who the zodiac is

Strumms

Jill Dando one is certainly weird.

Since the murder, her brother Nigel has been steadfast in his belief that it was a random act, a burglar caught in the act. That’s weird, all the evidence points otherwise...

She was shot, once, in the head at point blank range execution style. She was shot at her front door... outside. Trying to get inside, she was approached from behind, if a burglar was trying to flee he could have...Also...

1) a burglar is unlikely to carry a semi automatic pistol breaking into a home.

2) she was shot at 11.32am, unusual time for a burglary.

3) she was shot outside her home, broad daylight, one bullet into her temple, execution style. She was believed to have been approached from behind. Executed, a burglar just wants to flee.

4) the bullet had been modified, possibly to reduce its charge, somebody knew what they were doing..this can reduce the noise and velocity of the bullet when the gun is fired.

A burglar ? hmmmmm..., why would a burglar, go to a crowded residential avenue with 120 townhouses at 11.30 am ? Armed ? Doesn’t add up.

Day Lewin

Strumms wrote: »

Jill Dando one is certainly weird.

Since the murder, her brother Nigel has been steadfast in his belief that it was a random act, a burglar caught in the act. That’s weird, all the evidence points otherwise...

She was shot, once, in the head at point blank range execution style. She was shot at her front door... outside. Trying to get inside, she was approached from behind, if a burglar was trying to flee he could have...Also...

1) a burglar is unlikely to carry a semi automatic pistol breaking into a home.

2) she was shot at 11.32am, unusual time for a burglary.

3) she was shot outside her home, broad daylight, one bullet into her temple, execution style. She was believed to have been approached from behind. Executed, a burglar just wants to flee.

4) the bullet had been modified, possibly to reduce its charge, somebody knew what they were doing..this can reduce the noise and velocity of the bullet when the gun is fired.

A burglar ? hmmmmm..., why would a burglar, go to a crowded residential avenue with 120 townhouses at 11.30 am ? Armed ? Doesn’t add up.

Nailed it there, a neat summary.

But, why, though? Motive??

Could it have been one of those loopers who are determined to get famous by killing a famous person. It's not personal, they just pick a celebrity.

But I thought there was some suggestion that the lady had been harassed during the time before her death. I'm sure the police checked out such obvious ideas as a disgruntled ex. Some stalker?

KevRossi

McGinniesta wrote: »

Is there any truth in the rumour that the DB cooper case was solved.

I trust that it's horseplop

A new explanation was given out a few months ago, I think I posted it here.

Essentially the belief is that he didn't jump where they thought he did and that he faked the 'jump' where the pilto felt the plane move. This would be above the forests and mountains in Oregon.

The theory is that he knew it would be too dangerous, but diverted the search to that area. Instead he may have jumped as the plane was descending into Reno. There were a number of reasons for doing this:

• a sudden movement of the plane when he jumped would not be as noticeable as the pilot would be concentrating on a landing.
• lower altitiude jump meant higher outside temperatures, so better chance of survival
• most importantly, the area around Reno is desert scrub, almost no trees, flattish to hilly ground, so a far better chance of surviving a night jump than a jump into forsts at night. Roads wouldn't be too far away, so he could have hidden the cash and hitched into Reno or elsewhere before going back to get the money.

I honestly think that's what happened and he buried some of the money at the river a couple of years later to keep the scent off him. Or that he threw some of the money off the plane, hoping it would be found in the forest.

ohnonotgmail

KevRossi wrote: »

A new explanation was given out a few months ago, I think I posted it here.

Essentially the belief is that he didn't jump where they thought he did and that he faked the 'jump' where the pilto felt the plane move. This would be above the forests and mountains in Oregon.

The theory is that he knew it would be too dangerous, but diverted the search to that area. Instead he may have jumped as the plane was descending into Reno. There were a number of reasons for doing this:

• a sudden movement of the plane when he jumped would not be as noticeable as the pilot would be concentrating on a landing.
• lower altitiude jump meant higher outside temperatures, so better chance of survival
• most importantly, the area around Reno is desert scrub, almost no trees, flattish to hilly ground, so a far better chance of surviving a night jump than a jump into forsts at night. Roads wouldn't be too far away, so he could have hidden the cash and hitched into Reno or elsewhere before going back to get the money.

I honestly think that's what happened and he buried some of the money at the river a couple of years later to keep the scent off him. Or that he threw some of the money off the plane, hoping it would be found in the forest.

i remember reading the link you posted and it did seem very persuasive.

Strumms

Day Lewin wrote: »

Nailed it there, a neat summary.

But, why, though? Motive??

Could it have been one of those loopers who are determined to get famous by killing a famous person. It's not personal, they just pick a celebrity.

But I thought there was some suggestion that the lady had been harassed during the time before her death. I'm sure the police checked out such obvious ideas as a disgruntled ex. Some stalker?

Impossible to know... as a journalist she’ll have covered thousands of stories...

An attention seeker ? Seeking fame and notoriety ? But they haven’t received any attention, no fame or notoriety zilch..nobody knows they did it.... If they went bragging ? I’m sure they’d be found out.

It’s weird. Shot in the head, broad daylight....zilch, nada..

Spanish Eyes

Day Lewin wrote: »

Nailed it there, a neat summary.

But, why, though? Motive??

Could it have been one of those loopers who are determined to get famous by killing a famous person. It's not personal, they just pick a celebrity.

But I thought there was some suggestion that the lady had been harassed during the time before her death. I'm sure the police checked out such obvious ideas as a disgruntled ex. Some stalker?

I know it is not proven, but there was talk that Jill Dando (BBC Crimewatch presenter) was in possession of information regarding a large paedophile ring in the Establishment or something like that, and her murder was to prevent her divulging the details.

As good a theory as others I suppose.

Day Lewin

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know it is not proven, but there was talk that Jill Dando (BBC Crimewatch presenter) was in possession of information regarding a large paedophile ring in the Establishment or something like that, and her murder was to prevent her divulging the details.

As good a theory as others I suppose.

Yes, I'd forgotten the Crimewatch aspect.

But a Crimewatch presenter is still just a TV presenter. They are not detectives themselves.
They don't know anything about the cases that the police don't already know: they can only broadcast whatever the cops tell them about, basically.
Even if the lady had been doing some secret private detecting, she wouldn't be the ONLY person who knew about whatever-it-was. Her team would be aware of it.

This theory has a kind of paperback glamour but it doesn't really hold up under scrutiny, in my view.

Hangdogroad

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know it is not proven, but there was talk that Jill Dando (BBC Crimewatch presenter) was in possession of information regarding a large paedophile ring in the Establishment or something like that, and her murder was to prevent her divulging the details.

As good a theory as others I suppose.

Probably originated from Carl Beech. Discredited hoaxer and convicted paedophile who was behind the Westminister paedophile ring story.

Suckit

KevRossi wrote: »

A new explanation was given out a few months ago, I think I posted it here.

Essentially the belief is that he didn't jump where they thought he did and that he faked the 'jump' where the pilto felt the plane move. This would be above the forests and mountains in Oregon.

The theory is that he knew it would be too dangerous, but diverted the search to that area. Instead he may have jumped as the plane was descending into Reno. There were a number of reasons for doing this:

• a sudden movement of the plane when he jumped would not be as noticeable as the pilot would be concentrating on a landing.
• lower altitiude jump meant higher outside temperatures, so better chance of survival
• most importantly, the area around Reno is desert scrub, almost no trees, flattish to hilly ground, so a far better chance of surviving a night jump than a jump into forsts at night. Roads wouldn't be too far away, so he could have hidden the cash and hitched into Reno or elsewhere before going back to get the money.

I honestly think that's what happened and he buried some of the money at the river a couple of years later to keep the scent off him. Or that he threw some of the money off the plane, hoping it would be found in the forest.

That is a good theory, I hadn't heard it before. The only thing is (for me), didn't the tail lift up when they think he jumped? How could he fake that?
It might be explained in the article but I couldn't find the link.

FrankN1

Trevor Deely & Sophie Tuscan cases always have stuck with me.

Strumms

FrankN1 wrote: »

Trevor Deely & Sophie Tuscan cases always have stuck with me.

Trevor was out for a few drinks.

Went by his workplace at 4.15 am to get an umbrella and work things.

Does that strike anyone as odd... that a 22 year old financial services employee , on their own, would have the capability to access their workplace ?

Does it strike anybody as odd, that after a night out, at 3.30am, you’d say... “ I know, on my way home I’m going to go to work, open up, get xyz... “

Weird...

Any job I’ve worked in you were specifically prohibited from being on the premises, on shift or for any other reason, if you were under the influence of alcohol..at any time...

FrankN1

Strumms wrote: »

Trevor was out for a few drinks.

Went by his workplace at 4.15 am to get an umbrella and work things.

Does that strike anyone as odd... that a 22 year old financial services employee , on their own, would have the capability to access their workplace ?

Does it strike anybody as odd, that after a night out, at 3.30am, you’d say... “ I know, on my way home I’m going to go to work, open up, get xyz... “

Weird...

Any job I’ve worked in you were specifically prohibited from being on the premises, on shift or for any other reason, if you were under the influence of alcohol..at any time...

Yeah it is fairly odd but a good tactic to try and use if someone was following you. But he rejected a lift which makes that point a bit redundant. Although it was pouring down so maybe taking shelter wasn't a bad idea and getting an umbrella

Itssoeasy

KevRossi wrote: »

A new explanation was given out a few months ago, I think I posted it here.

Essentially the belief is that he didn't jump where they thought he did and that he faked the 'jump' where the pilto felt the plane move. This would be above the forests and mountains in Oregon.

The theory is that he knew it would be too dangerous, but diverted the search to that area. Instead he may have jumped as the plane was descending into Reno. There were a number of reasons for doing this:

• a sudden movement of the plane when he jumped would not be as noticeable as the pilot would be concentrating on a landing.
• lower altitiude jump meant higher outside temperatures, so better chance of survival
• most importantly, the area around Reno is desert scrub, almost no trees, flattish to hilly ground, so a far better chance of surviving a night jump than a jump into forsts at night. Roads wouldn't be too far away, so he could have hidden the cash and hitched into Reno or elsewhere before going back to get the money.

I honestly think that's what happened and he buried some of the money at the river a couple of years later to keep the scent off him. Or that he threw some of the money off the plane, hoping it would be found in the forest.

On that’s interesting. Well the Air Force planes that shadowed the airplane didn’t see anything at the time of the jump which even if they couldn’t see exactly you’d notice something surely.

I mean while the landscape around Oregon is very picturesque, it never struck me as being ideal for someone parachuting into.

The one thing is though that when they landed and discovered he was gone, they did test of the same plane and with the exact same conditions and pushed something out of the back of the plane and got the same response.

ArnoldJRimmer

Strumms wrote: »

Trevor was out for a few drinks.

Went by his workplace at 4.15 am to get an umbrella and work things.

Does that strike anyone as odd... that a 22 year old financial services employee , on their own, would have the capability to access their workplace ?

Does it strike anybody as odd, that after a night out, at 3.30am, you’d say... “ I know, on my way home I’m going to go to work, open up, get xyz... “

Weird...

Any job I’ve worked in you were specifically prohibited from being on the premises, on shift or for any other reason, if you were under the influence of alcohol..at any time...

In this day and age of mobile working, the technology to remote in at your fingertips, and heightened security surrounding all organisations , it just wouldn't happen. Security would think that you were a mad person, report you to HR, and escort you off the premises

For the year 2000, going from my own experiences, this was not even in the slightest bit out of the ordinary. You'd likely have a bit of craic with the security guard , and they'd have no problem with you wandering in. In a place I worked around that time, on a Friday evening you'd go for pints locally after work, and sometimes go back into the office just to use the jacks because the pub was so packed. In Trevors case, he wanted an umbrella, and just happened to check his mail and chat to his mate while he was there.

KevRossi

Suckit wrote: »

That is a good theory, I hadn't heard it before. The only thing is (for me), didn't the tail lift up when they think he jumped? How could he fake that?
It might be explained in the article but I couldn't find the link.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The one thing is though that when they landed and discovered he was gone, they did test of the same plane and with the exact same conditions and pushed something out of the back of the plane and got the same response.

He possibly went onto the steps and bounced up and down on them to fake the 'jump' and possibly there threw a package of money overboard to keep the search in Oregon.

When the plane was descending into Reno it has a number of issues: The heat off the desert is rising to hit cold night air (It averages 14 C daytime and 0 C at night there). There are hills and low mountains to the NW of Reno (avg. 1500m high). And the tail stairs were down. This leads to a 'slightly bumpy' descent and landing, something we have all experienced in roughish weather in an airplane. You wouldn't notice a 'jump' as much, especially when you're not looking for it.

Also, in a parchute 'jump' from the rear of an aircraft, you usually don't 'jump', you let yourself 'fall', meaning there's less of a hop from the plane.
Also the plane has no sensors to measure the amount of a 'hop' that it got, it was subjective opinion of the pilots in the test after the hijacking and it could be a form of self-confirmation bias by the pilots when asked.

I honestly believe this theory. The guy had most things very well planned, his only error was taking the dummy parachute (admittedly a big mistake). Even someone with no knowledge of parachuting would know it's a bit mental to jump into a forest at night.

The only thing I don't get is why none of the notes ever turned up again, anywhere in the world.

B2021M

sugarman wrote: »

Different era and under the circumstances, I don't think there was anything odd about it.

It was a work night out and they were drinking just 200m away from the premises.

It was torrential rain and there was there was a taxi strike that night.

Trevor had to walk past his work place to get home and had a solid 30 min walk ahead of him.

BOIAM was/still is staffed 24/7.

Why wouldn't you stop off to grab a brolly if you could? He only had to make a quick phone call to someone inside to let him in.

I've done it myself over the years. Id have often left my laptop bag at my desk and grabbed it on my way home rather than leaving it down in the pub where it could be stolen or damaged. I wouldn't think twice even today to stop off and grab a brolly if it was near by / on my way home.

Plus email was relatively new and most couldnt access it at home never mind on a phone. Going into an office like that was not unusual (strange as it may seem!)

Day Lewin

In the Deely case, it was the night of the work Christmas Do, and a number of the staff had left their day things at the office while they partied in nearby Leeson St.

If I recall correctly, several other members of staff also called in to the same office to collect their stuff on the way home. That's not the mystery part!

humberklog

Strumms wrote: »

Trevor was out for a few drinks.

Went by his workplace at 4.15 am to get an umbrella and work things.

Does that strike anyone as odd... that a 22 year old financial services employee , on their own, would have the capability to access their workplace ?

Does it strike anybody as odd, that after a night out, at 3.30am, you’d say... “ I know, on my way home I’m going to go to work, open up, get xyz... “

Weird...

Any job I’ve worked in you were specifically prohibited from being on the premises, on shift or for any other reason, if you were under the influence of alcohol..at any time...

Nothing weird at all really. I've done it myself working in that area of the city too.

He opened emails, had a cup of tea and a chat with a colleague who was doing the night shift.

Day Lewin

KevRossi wrote: »

The only thing I don't get is why none of the notes ever turned up again, anywhere in the world.

But they did - a bundle of the notes was found half buried on a river bank in a wet, bedraggled and faded condition. This was somewhere near Vancouver. Nobody has managed to explain how they came to be there!

https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/1971-skyjacking-cash-ransom-found-by-eight-year-old-in-1980.html

Strumms

humberklog wrote: »

Nothing weird at all really. I've done it myself working in that area of the city too.

He opened emails, had a cup of tea and a chat with a colleague who was doing the night shift.

Dunno, I’d just think of that as a bit of a buzz killing maneuver personally...

KevRossi

Day Lewin wrote: »

But they did - a bundle of the notes was found half buried on a river bank in a wet, bedraggled and faded condition. This was somewhere near Vancouver. Nobody has managed to explain how they came to be there!

https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/1971-skyjacking-cash-ransom-found-by-eight-year-old-in-1980.html

Yes. I mentioned that before. I think he threw them out so someone would find them and the search would concentrate on Oregon. I mean no other notes showed up in Central America, South America, Asia, Europe, Africa...

That's the bit I don't get.

Suckit

KevRossi wrote: »

He possibly went onto the steps and bounced up and down on them to fake the 'jump' and possibly there threw a package of money overboard to keep the search in Oregon.

When the plane was descending into Reno it has a number of issues: The heat off the desert is rising to hit cold night air (It averages 14 C daytime and 0 C at night there). There are hills and low mountains to the NW of Reno (avg. 1500m high). And the tail stairs were down. This leads to a 'slightly bumpy' descent and landing, something we have all experienced in roughish weather in an airplane. You wouldn't notice a 'jump' as much, especially when you're not looking for it.

Also, in a parchute 'jump' from the rear of an aircraft, you usually don't 'jump', you let yourself 'fall', meaning there's less of a hop from the plane.
Also the plane has no sensors to measure the amount of a 'hop' that it got, it was subjective opinion of the pilots in the test after the hijacking and it could be a form of self-confirmation bias by the pilots when asked.

I honestly believe this theory. The guy had most things very well planned, his only error was taking the dummy parachute (admittedly a big mistake). Even someone with no knowledge of parachuting would know it's a bit mental to jump into a forest at night.

The only thing I don't get is why none of the notes ever turned up again, anywhere in the world.

I can't get past the tail lift. IIRC it was a sizeable one when they believe he left the plane. I don't see how he could bounce on the steps and create that.
I remember the money was found at river bank and tbh there a billion places it could be, the rest of the theory all seems sound, but the tail lift.
I will have to look it up again, I remember seeing a doc years ago and that was a big part of them guessing the time he left the plane. IDK, but although he may have seemed to have thought of everything, that seems like a big ask, especially in that weather.

JustAThought

Strumms wrote: »

Dunno, I’d just think of that as a bit of a buzz killing maneuver personally...

Y but it was SAVAGE weather. And that was back in the day when taxi’s were as rare as hens teeth - particularly on dirty nights like that.

I’d like the Larry Murphy riddles uncracked. How many women has he been responsible for and God help them where are all those missing women and girls lying in the dark and unfound.

Strumms

JustAThought wrote: »

Y but it was SAVAGE weather. And that was back in the day when taxi’s were as rare as hens teeth - particularly on dirty nights like that.

I’d like the Larry Murphy riddles uncracked. How many women has he been responsible for and God help them where are all those missing women and girls lying in the dark and unfound.

After a night out partying, consuming alcohol ... going into work, talking with a colleague and checking emails...? A lot of jobs would have a policy of you not being on the premises having consumed alcohol also....health and safety,, as well as it being dodge if you got emotive at seeing an email you disliked and.... #&@€;***

oneilla

FrankN1 wrote: »

Yeah it is fairly odd but a good tactic to try and use if someone was following you. But he rejected a lift which makes that point a bit redundant. Although it was pouring down so maybe taking shelter wasn't a bad idea and getting an umbrella

Where did you read that? Not saying it's not true but unless I've forgotten that bit of info I don't think that was mentioned before.

He lived on Serpentine Ave, the workplace was maybe a 20-30min walk on Wilton Terrace at the top of Lesson St

FrankN1

oneilla wrote: »

Where did you read that? Not saying it's not true but unless I've forgotten that bit of info I don't think that was mentioned before.

He lived on Serpentine Ave, the workplace was maybe a 20-30min walk on Wilton Terrace at the top of Lesson St

I can't recall but I did here his colleague offered him a lift if he waited a few mins but he said no. Can't be 100pc of the source but it was definitely on a documentary or article about the case.

Padraig Mor

Suckit wrote: »

I can't get past the tail lift. IIRC it was a sizeable one when they believe he left the plane. I don't see how he could bounce on the steps and create that.
I remember the money was found at river bank and tbh there a billion places it could be, the rest of the theory all seems sound, but the tail lift.
I will have to look it up again, I remember seeing a doc years ago and that was a big part of them guessing the time he left the plane. IDK, but although he may have seemed to have thought of everything, that seems like a big ask, especially in that weather.

Rationally explained in the recent speculative document. Rear stairs would have only partially lowered by itself. He went partially down the stairs to throw out some materials from the plane (which were later found on ground) to misdirect the authorities. In doing this the stairs would have dropped more giving some form of bump - that may have been a deliberate move too but no way to know. Interestingly, it was obviously not a significant bump as the crew thought he had never left the plane and presumed he was still on board when they landed. It was only after (when the idea was suggested by investigators?) that they thought "well, there was this one bump alright.....". Weather in Reno (where this guy postulates he jumped) was apparently perfect for night parachuting that night, bearing in mind he would have bailed close to the ground.

coinop

The disappearance of Fred Valentich. He was a pilot who set off from a Melbourne airport on a training exercise over Bass Strait. He never arrived at King Island.

What makes it creepy that he radioed in that there was a strange craft following him and the last piece of communication was a metallic scraping sound. Experts said that he was disorientated and was flying upside down and seeing the lights from his own craft on the water but the Cessna he was flying could only fly upside down for a few seconds before stalling.

They have never found him or his craft.

StevenToast

Why is Ryan Tubridy paid 500k a year by an organisation that makes huge losses every year?

He is talentless, smug, arrogant and fake.

Some mysteries will never be solved.

oneilla

FrankN1 wrote: »

I can't recall but I did here his colleague offered him a lift if he waited a few mins but he said no. Can't be 100pc of the source but it was definitely on a documentary or article about the case.

Where did you hear this? It's a serious piece of information.

The colleague in the office he had a cuppa with was named Karl Pender who was working the night shift. Some workmates showed up after Trevor to collect an overnight bag and they then headed off in the direction of Rathmines/Ranelagh. I've never seen anything about him declining a lift home.

EmmetSpiceland

oneilla wrote: »

Where did you hear this? It's a serious piece of information.

The colleague in the office he had a cuppa with was named Karl Pender who was working the night shift. Some workmates showed up after Trevor to collect an overnight bag and they then headed off in the direction of Rathmines/Ranelagh. I've never seen anything about him declining a lift home.

I think, at the time, there were reports coming out that had information in them that has since been ruled out.

I’ve never heard him turning down a lift but I do remember hearing that TD was supposed to meet a man and a woman after he left work but that piece was never repeated so it must have been ruled out or proven to be false information.

Beechwoodspark

oneilla wrote: »

Where did you hear this? It's a serious piece of information.

The colleague in the office he had a cuppa with was named Karl Pender who was working the night shift. Some workmates showed up after Trevor to collect an overnight bag and they then headed off in the direction of Rathmines/Ranelagh. I've never seen anything about him declining a lift home.

I’ve read quite a bit on TD disappearance and I can’t recall ever seeing that he rejected an offer of a lift home either