Your favourite unsolved mystery?

oneilla

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They said they got a "discarded object" or something to that effect during the press conference and were able to compare the DNA on that to EARONS. They didn't say how he came to be on their radar in the first place though, only that his name had never come up until 6 days ago



They were asked about the book and categorically said that it had nothing to with the suspect being arrested and it didn't provide any new information

The HLN documentary Unmasking a Killer suggests that they might be able to match the DNA they have to a family match either in the state or a private database.

ceadaoin.

oneilla wrote: »

The HLN documentary Unmasking a Killer suggests that they might be able to match the DNA they have to a family match either in the state or a private database.

They seem to be very reluctant to say how he came on to their radar alright, except that it was "cutting edge DNA technology." I think you're right and that it was a familial match found in some database which led them to examine family members and ultimately test his discarded DNA sample. We know that his daughter was arrested for drugs several years ago so that could explain it but I have read that the technology they use for this would need a male relative. If they accessed a private database such as 23andme then that is a huge deal and I wouldn't blame them for wanting to keep it quiet.

I'm sure his lawyer is very interested to know whether their method was legal or not although I can't see them jeopardizing such a huge case in that way.

QueenRizla

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They seem to be very reluctant to say how he came on to their radar alright, except that it was "cutting edge DNA technology." I think you're right and that it was a familial match found in some database which led them to examine family members and ultimately test his discarded DNA sample. We know that his daughter was arrested for drugs several years ago so that could explain it but I have read that the technology they use for this would need a male relative. If they accessed a private database such as 23andme then that is a huge deal and I wouldn't blame them for wanting to keep it quiet.

I'm sure his lawyer is very interested to know whether their method was legal or not although I can't see them jeopardizing such a huge case in that way.

The BTK killer was confirmed through DNA match from an old smear test his daughter had done. But he was already under suspicion to stuff on a floppy disk revealing his name.
They don’t seem to have had DeAngelo on their radar at all, so maybe the new technology is relating the daughters DNA to his without needing the male relative?
Does anyone remember the police badge they found at a scene. A seven point star that they had trouble linking to any department? it was on one of 5he recent documentaries where web sleuths were trying to figure out its origin?

IvaBigWun

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Your favourite unsolved mystery?

We've had the 'Paradise Papers'; it's long past the time we in Ireland had the Informers' Papers. More specifically, confirmation of the names of the journalists in Independent Newspapers, particularly in the Sunday Independent, and The Irish Times who've been in the pay of British Intelligence throughout the Troubles would be the greatest news scoop in Irish history.

Hopefully for the sake of democracy and truthful history, we'll have our Leonard MacNally moment and the names of these people will be remembered very differently to how they'd like.

I can safely propose a certain mentally unstable former senator from Cork at the top of the list, however. And his ex-wife, and her second husband...

New Home

Deleted User wrote: »

We've had the 'Paradise Papers'; it's long past the time we in Ireland had the Informers' Papers. More specifically, confirmation of the names of the journalists in Independent Newspapers, particularly in the Sunday Independent, and The Irish Times who've been in the pay of British Intelligence throughout the Troubles would be the greatest news scoop in Irish history.

Hopefully for the sake of democracy and truthful history, we'll have our Leonard MacNally moment and the names of these people will be remembered very differently to how they'd like.

I can safely propose a certain mentally unstable former senator from Cork at the top of the list, however. And his ex-wife, and her second husband...

I'm pretty sure another batch of "Paradise papers" is due out next week elsewhere in Europe - I wouldn't be overly surprised if more Irish people were included in that, too.

metaoblivia

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They seem to be very reluctant to say how he came on to their radar alright, except that it was "cutting edge DNA technology." I think you're right and that it was a familial match found in some database which led them to examine family members and ultimately test his discarded DNA sample. We know that his daughter was arrested for drugs several years ago so that could explain it but I have read that the technology they use for this would need a male relative. If they accessed a private database such as 23andme then that is a huge deal and I wouldn't blame them for wanting to keep it quiet.

I'm sure his lawyer is very interested to know whether their method was legal or not although I can't see them jeopardizing such a huge case in that way.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article209913514.html
It looks like they did use a genealogical website like Ancestry DNA to help identify him, but ultimately got his DNA samples from publicly discarded items. Here's Ancestry's "Guide for Law Enforcement:" https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/lawenforcement

ceadaoin.

metaoblivia wrote: »

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article209913514.html
It looks like they did use a genealogical website like Ancestry DNA to help identify him, but ultimately got his DNA samples from publicly discarded items. Here's Ancestry's "Guide for Law Enforcement:" https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/lawenforcement

That's interesting. Is this the first time that's ever been done? I'm not sure the millions (?) of people who submitted their DNA to these sites were aware that their records would be searchable by law enforcement but I guess it was inevitable. Why bring in a mandatory database when people will do it willingly if it's
marketed the right way! devices like Alexa will no doubt be used to obtain incriminating
audio evidence at some point in the future also.

prinzeugen

ceadaoin. wrote: »

That's interesting. Is this the first time that's ever been done? I'm not sure the millions (?) of people who submitted their DNA to these sites were aware that their records would be searchable by law enforcement but I guess it was inevitable. Why bring in a mandatory database when people will do it willingly if it's
marketed the right way! devices like Alexa will no doubt be used to obtain incriminating
audio evidence at some point in the future also.

The DNA from a family member has been used to catch a few rapists in the UK.

One guy was caught because his brother was arrested for a minor offence and had his DNA taken. It showed as a partial match for an unsolved rape so the police looked at close family members and got the guy.

Not from the UK but a similar story from the US..

https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/11/19/dna-sample-in-brothers-murder-case-leads-to-siblings-rape-arrest-in-another-case/

They got Graham Dwyer. IIRC, after he refused to give the Garda fingerprints or DNA, so they just waited until he put the green bin out. Was in a public place so did not need a warrant.

metaoblivia

ceadaoin. wrote: »

That's interesting. Is this the first time that's ever been done? I'm not sure the millions (?) of people who submitted their DNA to these sites were aware that their records would be searchable by law enforcement but I guess it was inevitable. Why bring in a mandatory database when people will do it willingly if it's
marketed the right way! devices like Alexa will no doubt be used to obtain incriminating
audio evidence at some point in the future also.

They also could have used another site called GEDmatch, which is completely public. There are other similar sites as well, so if the police used a completely public database like that, there may be no privacy expectation for any party. They could say that JJD made his DNA public when he raped those women and left it behind for investigators to find. And anyone who uploads to a public database knows that it's a public database and they're going to match you to anyone who uploads and shares DNA with you.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/can-police-legally-obtain-your-dna-from-23andme-ancestry/8eZ24WN7VisoQiHAFbcmjP/

ceadaoin.

prinzeugen wrote: »

The DNA from a family member has been used to catch a few rapists in the UK.

One guy was caught because his brother was arrested for a minor offence and had his DNA taken. It showed as a partial match for an unsolved rape so the police looked at close family members and got the guy.

They got Graham Dwyer. IIRC, after he refused to give the Garda fingerprints or DNA, so they just waited until he put the green bin out. Was in a public place so did not need a warrant.

Well they ultimately confirmed that deAngelo was EARONS through discarded DNA from his rubbish. They don't need a warrant for that

The first example is one sample on a police database being matched to another sample. This is not that though, it's a service that people have used to find out about their family history and have not explicitly consented for their DNA to be used in this way. Most people probably don't even realise it's a possibility. Scary how these sites could be used to identify a sizeable portion of the population for generations to come if needs be.

Shergar6

sentient_6 wrote: »

You should check the podcast Casefile they did a massive 3 parter on it all. Mind blowing stuff.

Casefile is a great podcast. My personal favourite is the Sherri Rasmussen case. An insane case that i am shocked hasn't been made into a movie yet. I knew nothing about it and assumed it was a run of the mill murder... DNA was also a factor.

The GGK getting caught is incredible. He is one mean looking jerk in the mugshot. Iwonder if he was married. And what made him stop. Imagine finding out your da was him....😮

Great justice for Michelle Mcnamara. The stress of the dark subject matter she was researching contributed to her taking the meds she was on. Patton Oswalt said he was quietly entering their room in the dark one night so as not to wake her when Michelle woke and attacked him with a lamp not realising who he was. It took a huge toll on her, understandably.

Ididn't realise Patton had remarried so soon 😯 He was engaged a year after she passed. Wow

New Home

metaoblivia wrote: »

They also could have used another site called GEDmatch, which is completely public. There are other similar sites as well, so if the police used a completely public database like that, there may be no privacy expectation for any party. They could say that JJD made his DNA public when he raped those women and left it behind for investigators to find. And anyone who uploads to a public database knows that it's a public database and they're going to match you to anyone who uploads and shares DNA with you.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/can-police-legally-obtain-your-dna-from-23andme-ancestry/8eZ24WN7VisoQiHAFbcmjP/

And I wonder how long it'll be before a fingerprint database is created and used from all the phone/computer "unlock" pads, or whatever it is they're called.

*adjusts tinfoil hat*

ceadaoin.

metaoblivia wrote: »

They also could have used another site called GEDmatch, which is completely public. There are other similar sites as well, so if the police used a completely public database like that, there may be no privacy expectation for any party. They could say that JJD made his DNA public when he raped those women and left it behind for investigators to find. And anyone who uploads to a public database knows that it's a public database and they're going to match you to anyone who uploads and shares DNA with you.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/can-police-legally-obtain-your-dna-from-23andme-ancestry/8eZ24WN7VisoQiHAFbcmjP/

GED match is used to identify unknown murder victims though, not criminals.

If they searched the entire database for a match and traced possibly hundreds of relatives it's a huge invasion of privacy.

metaoblivia

ceadaoin. wrote: »

GED match is used to identify unknown murder victims though, not criminals.

If they searched the entire database for a match and traced possibly hundreds of relatives it's a huge invasion of privacy.

It depends on their terms of service, and GEDmatch has a very loose ToS that basically states if you want complete privacy, don't upload with them.
While the results presented on this site are intended solely for genealogical research, we are unable to guarantee that users will not find other uses. If you find the possibility unacceptable, please remove your data from this site.

DutchGoldblum

Less of a mystery, but the fact that Fenn's treasure is still undiscovered is pretty exciting.

fxotoole

Who was the Isdal woman?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman

Same question for the man from Taured

dubstarr

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5673353/German-riverbank-excavated-search-toddler-went-missing-1981.html

Hopefully the family get some closure

fxotoole

dubstarr wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5673353/German-riverbank-excavated-search-toddler-went-missing-1981.html

Hopefully the family get some closure

Jaysus it's so hard to read that Daily Fail article cos it's got photos interrupting the flow of the article after every two sentences. I find the wiki article much easier to read

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Katrice_Lee

I find the Philip Cairns one the most disturbing given I was a similar age and remember it on the news at the time.

In terms of a favourite unsolved mystery it has to be the guys that escaped from Alcatraz. They found their clothes on the beach on the mainland. Chances are they drowned/froze in the water, but I love the idea that maybe, just maybe, they escaped the "inescapable prison".

Captain_Crash

Deleted User wrote: »

I find the Philip Cairns one the most disturbing given I was a similar age and remember it on the news at the time.

In terms of a favourite unsolved mystery it has to be the guys that escaped from Alcatraz. They found their clothes on the beach on the mainland. Chances are they drowned/froze in the water, but I love the idea that maybe, just maybe, they escaped the "inescapable prison".

Only recently a letter purporting to be from John Anglin confirming they survived was received by police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42826582

ceadaoin.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Only recently a letter purporting to be from John Anglin confirming they survived was received by police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42826582

I thought there was also a photo that was supposed to be the 2 brothers in South America in the 70s? I'd like to think they did make it but will we ever know for sure?

Suckit

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I thought there was also a photo that was supposed to be the 2 brothers in South America in the 70s? I'd like to think they did make it but will we ever know for sure?

Yeah there was a photo too.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Does-this-photo-prove-the-most-famous-Alcatraz-6568415.php

Clarence Anglin looks younger years later

Captain_Crash

Suckit wrote: »

Yeah there was a photo too.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Does-this-photo-prove-the-most-famous-Alcatraz-6568415.php

Clarence Anglin looks younger years later

I watched a programme about it a few years back and they had a facial recognition expert review that photo and although they couldn't confirm it to be them, they couldn't debunk it either.

I think this is it but I'm not 100%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wVJipyutmc

J Mysterio

fxotoole wrote: »

Who was the Isdal woman?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman

Same question for the man from Taured

Just saw today that there's a podcast on this.

Joeseph Balls

I also thought the photo could not be proved the time it was taken

_Dara_

fxotoole wrote: »

Who was the Isdal woman?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman

Same question for the man from Taured

J Mysterio wrote: »

Just saw today that there's a podcast on this.

I listened to it. No new information in the first installment but hopefully more will be revealed!

Huexotzingo

Just an update to the Golden State Killer. The police are going to use the same DNA search techniques to go after the Zodiac.
http://time.com/5265316/golden-state-police-dna-zodiac-killer/

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Zodiac-murder-case-Police-taking-another-look-at-12885070.php

It could get very interesting....

RockDesk

I saw this posted back in 2016 but it's one I'm intrigued by. The fact that he's caught on camera makes it one of those cases that I can't get out of my head.

http://reallifeishorror.blogspot.ie/2017/11/what-really-happened-to-lars-mittank.html

Day Lewin

That last one, looks to me like either the poor guy had brain damage from an assault and then, delusions: or else the onset of schizophrenia.
he's about the right age group.

Is it possible that his wild claims were true? Why would four strangers target this foreign man who clearly hadn't much money?

Suckit

Huexotzingo wrote: »

Just an update to the Golden State Killer. The police are going to use the same DNA search techniques to go after the Zodiac.
http://time.com/5265316/golden-state-police-dna-zodiac-killer/

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Zodiac-murder-case-Police-taking-another-look-at-12885070.php

It could get very interesting....

I was wondering if they would do that. I'd imagine there are going to be a few old boys packing up their stuff about now..