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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    As usual there were lots of blue bloods on show today at even a modest Curragh meet.

    One in particular stands out as an example of the incredible speed influence that War Front is when he's crossed with the Coolmore broodband.

    After the example of 3yo 6f Gp1 winner US Navy Flag ( War Front x Misty For Me ( Galileo ) and his full sister Roly Poly who both managed Group 1 wins at 2 over 6f. This evening at the Curragh Lost Treasure ( War Front x Wading ( Montjeu ) ) was a fine winner of a 5f 3yo maiden despite being out of a Montjeu dam who is herself a full sister to Irish Oaks winner Bracelet. It's one thing to overcome Galileo's staying influence but it's on another level to be able to overcome the very stout stamina influence that Montjeu is in a pedigree. It may also end up being a thing that the War Front colts will show slightly more speed than their sisters.

    I don't know whether Coolmore have stumbled across this match that can speed their middle-distance bloodlines up to sprint level while they were seeking to produce milers or whether the pedigree boffs there knew this speed would come out even in their middle-distance broodmares, but to my mind this sprint speed is something to bear in mind when looking at these War Fronts that Ballydoyle is saturated with.

    Also in the race before Lost Treasure's there was a Ballydoyle win for Sir Eric who is a Camelot colt out of a Galileo mare which is a cross that could become quite fashionable as Camelot benefits from more attention now that he's proven himself capable of producing Group 1 winners.

    Lost Treasure's half sister the 2yo Just Wonderful ( Dansili X Wading ) kind of proves the speed point about War Front by being a 1m Gp3 winner today as a juvenile while her War Front half brother is winning 5f races as a 3yo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    No Nay Never seems to have at least one very good colt in his first batch of two year olds


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Inion An Ri


    NNN has 19 winners to date, including 4 stakes winners, from 40 runners (he has just 89 2yos).
    Scat Daddy had 29 winners from 64 runners, including 5 SWrs, in his first season, so NNN is on course to at least match that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    Fanny **** wrote: »
    No Nay Never seems to have at least one very good colt in his first batch of two year olds

    I'm an awful dope, never made this connection at all

    https://twitter.com/BuckleyKevin/status/1035932926536544257?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    NNN has 19 winners to date, including 4 stakes winners, from 40 runners (he has just 89 2yos).
    Scat Daddy had 29 winners from 64 runners, including 5 SWrs, in his first season, so NNN is on course to at least match that.


    He's doing very nicely. On numbers of winners alone that's a great start.

    Considering his precious stock I'm a little confused looking at his runners, as they're mostly long and lightly enough built for sprinters ( unlike Ten Sovereigns who's a strong deep bodied block of a horse something like Caravaggio ) which suggests that they will improve as 3yos.

    Out of his 15 UK and Ireland winners 4 of them have been at 7f plus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Australia is getting going with a double today, including a 1-2 in a 1m maiden today at the Curragh. Although he can get 6f winners it's beginning to look like he's going to be a stamina influence similar to his father Galileo. If he can bang in a Group 1 winner or two from his first crop then Coolmore will latch onto him and try hard to make him the next Galileo. The Racing Post Trophy seems like the kind of Gp1 challenge that would suit his 2yos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭elderberry


    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/dansili-filly-just-wonderful-lives-up-to-her-name-at-the-curragh/344528

    According to this RP article Wading (dam of Just Wonderful & Lost Treasure) has a Camelot colt foal. Is this correct? Camelot & Wading are both by Montjeu


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Inion An Ri


    Wading has a War Front yearling colt and an American Pharoah colt foal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    Ya I'd imagine that the last line you mention is refferring to Cherry Hinton and not wading having a Camelot colt foal.

    Worded quite badly in the piece.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Inion An Ri


    Cherry Hinton has an American Pharoah filly foal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    Cherry Hinton has an American Pharoah filly foal.

    Fair enough. Then it's just the racing post being well the racing post. :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    Sorry for what may be a thick question but.....

    When a mare is sold in foal who pays the covering fee? The new owners or the old?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Fanny **** wrote: »
    Sorry for what may be a thick question but.....

    When a mare is sold in foal who pays the covering fee? The new owners or the old?
    If a mare is in foal, then no covering fee is due to the new owner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    some weekend for darley sires. teofilio having 2 group3 winners, dubawi having two group 1 and 4 group 2's and a listed winner, fast company with a listed winner , dawn approach with a group 2 .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Mgoraf


    BUSIEST NEW SIRES IN BRITAIN AND IRELAND IN 2018

    Caravaggio
    Sire Scat Daddy
    Stud Coolmore, Ire
    Mares covered 217
    Black-type winners covered 34

    Churchill
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Coolmore, Ire
    Mares covered 211
    Black-type winners covered 42

    Profitable
    Sire Invincible Spirit
    Stud Kildangan, Ire
    Mares covered 185
    Black-type winners covered 16

    Highland Reel
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Coolmore, Ire
    Mares covered 184
    Black-type winners covered 23

    Cotai Glory
    Sire Exceed And Excel
    Stud Tally-Ho, Ire
    Mares covered 180
    Black-type winners covered 3

    Jack Hobbs
    Sire Halling
    Stud Overbury, GB
    Mares covered 168
    Black-type winners covered 19

    Aclaim
    Sire Acclamation
    Stud National, GB
    Mares covered 160
    Black-type winners covered 9

    Ribchester
    Sire Iffraaj
    Stud Kildangan, Ire
    Mares covered 154
    Black-type winners covered 17

    El Kabeir
    Sire Scat Daddy
    Stud Yeomanstown, Ire
    Mares covered 146
    Black-type winners covered 7

    Galileo Gold
    Sire Paco Boy
    Stud Tally-Ho, Ire
    Mares covered 140
    Black-type winners covered 8

    Ardad
    Sire Kodiac
    Stud Overbury, GB
    Mares covered 132
    Black-type winners covered 5

    Ulysses
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Cheveley Park, GB
    Mares covered 115
    Black-type winners covered 25

    Postponed
    Sire Dubawi
    Stud Dalham Hall, GB
    Mares covered 112
    Black-type winners covered 21

    Time Test
    Sire Dubawi
    Stud National, GB
    Mares covered 111
    Black-type winners covered 10

    Decorated Knight
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Irish National, Ire
    Mares covered 66
    Black-type winners covered 5

    National Defense
    Sire Invincible Spirit
    Stud Irish National, Ire
    Mares covered 64
    Black-type winners covered 11

    Dartmouth
    Sire Dubawi
    Stud Shade Oak, GB
    Mares covered 61
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Pillar Coral
    Sire Zamindar
    Stud Annshoon, Ire
    Mares covered 61
    Black-type winners covered -

    My Dream Boat
    Sire Lord Shanakill
    Stud Bridge House, Ire
    Mares covered 60
    Black-type winners covered 2

    Divine Prophet
    Sire Choisir
    Stud Tara, Ire
    Mares covered 59
    Black-type winners covered 2

    Peace Envoy
    Sire Power
    Stud Worsall Grange, GB
    Mares covered 59
    Black-type winners covered 4

    Spill The Beans
    Sire Snitzel
    Stud National, GB
    Mares covered 33
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Barney Roy
    Sire Excelebration
    Stud Dalham Hall, GB
    Mares covered 31
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Mahsoob
    Sire Dansili
    Stud Hedgeholme, GB
    Mares covered 22
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Forever Now
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Norton Grove, GB
    Mares covered 21
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Karpino
    Sire Cape Cross
    Stud Glenview, Ire
    Mares covered 8
    Black-type winners covered -

    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/coolmore-pair-caravaggio-and-churchill-the-busiest-new-boys-of-2018/346791


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    Coolmore America has announced 2019 fees already. Early for this is it?

    https://twitter.com/coolmoreamerica/status/1043948965165768705?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭elderberry


    Mgoraf wrote: »
    BUSIEST NEW SIRES IN BRITAIN AND IRELAND IN 2018

    Barney Roy
    Sire Excelebration
    Stud Dalham Hall, GB
    Mares covered 31
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Not much love for Barney, surely France or SA beckons.

    Also interesting to see the difference in # of mares sent to Ulysses & Decorated Knight. Both by Galileo from top-class dam lines, similar racing profile but £30k Ulysses covered 115 mares to €15k Decorated Knight's 66. Shows how a stud can really get behind their stallion if they have a significant broodmare band.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Mgoraf


    He has fertility issues. Were rumours he could be coming back into training


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭elderberry


    Mgoraf wrote: »
    He has fertility issues. Were rumours he could be coming back into training

    ah ok, I missed that, his numbers make a bit more sense now. Are they going to persevere with him at stud next season?


  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭antietam


    Mgoraf wrote: »
    BUSIEST NEW SIRES IN BRITAIN AND IRELAND IN 2018

    Caravaggio
    Sire Scat Daddy
    Stud Coolmore, Ire
    Mares covered 217
    Black-type winners covered 34

    Churchill
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Coolmore, Ire
    Mares covered 211
    Black-type winners covered 42

    Profitable
    Sire Invincible Spirit
    Stud Kildangan, Ire
    Mares covered 185
    Black-type winners covered 16

    Highland Reel
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Coolmore, Ire
    Mares covered 184
    Black-type winners covered 23

    Cotai Glory
    Sire Exceed And Excel
    Stud Tally-Ho, Ire
    Mares covered 180
    Black-type winners covered 3

    Jack Hobbs
    Sire Halling
    Stud Overbury, GB
    Mares covered 168
    Black-type winners covered 19

    Aclaim
    Sire Acclamation
    Stud National, GB
    Mares covered 160
    Black-type winners covered 9

    Ribchester
    Sire Iffraaj
    Stud Kildangan, Ire
    Mares covered 154
    Black-type winners covered 17

    El Kabeir
    Sire Scat Daddy
    Stud Yeomanstown, Ire
    Mares covered 146
    Black-type winners covered 7

    Galileo Gold
    Sire Paco Boy
    Stud Tally-Ho, Ire
    Mares covered 140
    Black-type winners covered 8

    Ardad
    Sire Kodiac
    Stud Overbury, GB
    Mares covered 132
    Black-type winners covered 5

    Ulysses
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Cheveley Park, GB
    Mares covered 115
    Black-type winners covered 25

    Postponed
    Sire Dubawi
    Stud Dalham Hall, GB
    Mares covered 112
    Black-type winners covered 21

    Time Test
    Sire Dubawi
    Stud National, GB
    Mares covered 111
    Black-type winners covered 10

    Decorated Knight
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Irish National, Ire
    Mares covered 66
    Black-type winners covered 5

    National Defense
    Sire Invincible Spirit
    Stud Irish National, Ire
    Mares covered 64
    Black-type winners covered 11

    Dartmouth
    Sire Dubawi
    Stud Shade Oak, GB
    Mares covered 61
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Pillar Coral
    Sire Zamindar
    Stud Annshoon, Ire
    Mares covered 61
    Black-type winners covered -

    My Dream Boat
    Sire Lord Shanakill
    Stud Bridge House, Ire
    Mares covered 60
    Black-type winners covered 2

    Divine Prophet
    Sire Choisir
    Stud Tara, Ire
    Mares covered 59
    Black-type winners covered 2

    Peace Envoy
    Sire Power
    Stud Worsall Grange, GB
    Mares covered 59
    Black-type winners covered 4

    Spill The Beans
    Sire Snitzel
    Stud National, GB
    Mares covered 33
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Barney Roy
    Sire Excelebration
    Stud Dalham Hall, GB
    Mares covered 31
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Mahsoob
    Sire Dansili
    Stud Hedgeholme, GB
    Mares covered 22
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Forever Now
    Sire Galileo
    Stud Norton Grove, GB
    Mares covered 21
    Black-type winners covered 1

    Karpino
    Sire Cape Cross
    Stud Glenview, Ire
    Mares covered 8
    Black-type winners covered -

    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/coolmore-pair-caravaggio-and-churchill-the-busiest-new-boys-of-2018/346791[/QUOIve been at plenty of sales my very educated question is how many Coolmore progeny are bought by Coolmore affiliates to increase stallion value[doing it for decades].


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Born To Sea is being given a change of scenery in his stallion career, with a move from Ireland to Haras des Faunes in France lined up for next year.

    The nine-year-old son of Invincible Spirit – notably a half-brother to the exceptional racehorses and sires Galileo and Sea The Stars – spent the first two years of his stallion career at Rathasker Stud and moved to stand alongside Sea The Stars at Gilltown Stud in 2015.

    It's a funny old world when you've got a Group winning and Gr1 placed Invincible Spirit half brother to Sea The Stars and Galileo and you can only fill his book with......
    Weatherbys reports that, having covered 102 mares in 2016, he received 26 in 2017 @€;10, 000 and only ten this year @€;5, 000.

    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/born-to-sea-transferred-to-stand-in-france-from-next-year/347308


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Well No Nay Never gets his maiden Gp1 winner with Ten Sovereigns and that success will surely breed more success as the quality of the book of mares he will cover is likely to improve.

    The one caveat about this win is that Ten Sovereigns is a much bulkier Scat Daddy type than the leaner types like Land Force and The Irish Rover that seem to be the typical No Nay Never stock that we see running.

    Ten Sovereigns himself should make a cracking sire if he can impart his impressive physique to his stock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Homesman a former O'Brien Gallinule Stakes winner and rare middle-distance performer for his speed sire War Front took a GP1 in Australia this morning. It's a pity they gelded him after he left Ireland. Both he and Declaration Of War were well able for 10f+ races. Declaration Of War is a bit of a stamina influence in my book which probably wasn't what Coolmore wanted out of him.

    Also The Taj Mahal ( formerly just Taj Mahal a full sibling to classic winners Marvelous, Gleneagles and GP 1 winner Happily + GP1 placed Coolmore ) took his second Gp win since moving to Australia with a narrow Gp3 win over a mile yesterday, his previous win down under being a Gp2 over 1m 4f. All of which adds to the debate about whether Happily should be stepping up to 12f by now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    Some nice types under the hammer on day 1 of the Orby sale.
    Also a live stream in there for anyone interested.


    https://www.goffs.com/sales-results/sales/orby-sale-2018


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    kiers47 wrote: »
    Some nice types under the hammer on day 1 of the Orby sale.
    Also a live stream in there for anyone interested.
    I've analysed all the lots, and the possible matings of the fillies on sale with about 700 stallions.
    A while back I analysed a yearling sale catalogue four years after the sale.
    About 4 from 450+ earned enough to pay for their auction price and training fees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    I've analysed all the lots, and the possible matings of the fillies on sale with about 700 stallions.
    A while back I analysed a yearling sale catalogue four years after the sale.
    About 4 from 450+ earned enough to pay for their auction price and training fees.

    It's not so bad for the fillies, if the Frankel filly that sold for £500,000 is a dud she can still make it as a broodmare. If you buy a dud colt then you're fairly screwed. Not that the likes of Sheikh Mohammed will be worrying too much about gelding a few hundred thousand worth of a horse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    €2 million for a full sister to Alice Springs...
    Much had been made of Sheikh Mohammed’s return to the Orby Sale, but while the ruler of Dubai made his presence felt on more than one occasion, the biggest impact of all came from Goffs newcomers Phoenix Thoroughbreds, as the rising force stunned the onlooking crowd when outgunning Coolmore’s MV Magnier at €2 million for the sister to Alice Springs on Tuesday.
    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/goffs/bold-phoenix-stun-big-guns-by-landing-2m-sister-to-alice-springs/347950


    Some people have more money than sense. If this €2 million purchase is as good as Alice Springs' other full sister Hence ( a listed class filly ) then they'll be lucky, but she'd still be a bit of an underachiever off that price. A foundation mare in waiting?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    Phoenix also after chucking up 3.2 million for Forever Together's and Together Forever's full sister. Madness stuff.

    https://twitter.com/theTDN/status/1047478282738978817


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    kiers47 wrote: »
    Phoenix also after chucking up 3.2 million for Forever Together's and Together Forever's full sister. Madness stuff.

    https://twitter.com/theTDN/status/1047478282738978817


    Nearly always there's method to the madness.
    "The mare has done it; her first foal was Lord Shanakill, she's had the two Galileo's [Together Forever and Forever Together] too, for the mare to be producing three horses of that calibre she must be very special," said agent Dermot Farrington.

    "I'd have loved to get her a bit cheaper but it just doesn't happen.

    "Phoenix are bedding in families for the future. This filly comes from a Juddmonte family and normally you can't get hold of those families. Many years ago Green Room was sold at Tattersalls and now she's produced three Group 1 winners. Phoenix are very keen to bed in those big families with these two fillies - those families will be around for along time.

    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/goffs/nancy-sexton-brings-you-all-the-action-live-from-day-two-of-the-orby-sale/347954

    It all seems to be a bit of a vanity project designed to appeal to shareholders who are happy to blow loads of someone's money .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Is Australia the sire going to be a new Montjeu rather than being a new Galileo? I see him slotting in somewhere between both great sires in that I think he'll be producing 10f+ types like Montjeu did but that they'll be much sounder in the head than the Montjeus were.

    He's had a few early speedyish types such as the dual Group winner Beyond Reason, but after I saw Broome running earlier in the year in England where he looked to be more of a future Cup horse than anything else I started to ponder what exactly owners are going to get out of their Australias.


    Broome surprisingly to me showed that he wasn't just a slow boat when he made the running in the Gp1 Jean Luc Lagardere where he stayed on resolutely to be in a tight finish after making all the running. So Broome has made great progress as have Sydney Opera House and others.

    Sydney Opera House is a half brother to Epsom Derby second Golden Sword and Melbourne Cup winner Rekindling. A family connection of 12f+ types with Golden Sword by Galileo having a DI of 0.80 and Rekindling by High Chaparral having a DI of 0.80. The effect of having Australia as a sire on this family is to apparently ramp up the stamina to DI 0.69 which is basically a declaration that Sydney Opera House is going to be a Derby-Leger-Cup horse next year with Leger-Cup success more likely than a career in top Gp1 12f races beyond July of his 3yo career.


    Galileo tends to get DI 1.00 horses that are reasonably flexible in trip, Montjeu tended to get DI 0.80 types that struggled as 3yos to be top class at less than 10f and beyond.



    Of Australias best two year olds so far they all have 12f+ pedigrees.

    The 6f group 3 winner Beyond Reason has a stayers DI of 0.76 which might explain why she found it difficult to step up to Gp1 company against the speedier bred types she met in the 7f Gp1 Moyglare.

    Sydney Opera House has a Cup horse DI 0.69 which is the reason he stays on so well in group company over 1m at two. Indeed he'd a tasty proposition for the end of season Gp1 grand criterium over 10f.

    Despite being out of an Acclamation mare Broome has a DI of 0.67 which is in-line with his earlier season form of only getting going at the end of races.


    It's a credit to these apparently stoutly bred horse that they've achieved so much at this stage of their careers. In showing more speed than they are entitled to these horses are following a similar line to their parents. Their Epsom Derby and Epsom Oaks winning parents both were as comfortable in top Gp1 races over 10f as they were over 12f.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    tryfix wrote: »
    Ruler Of the World gets off the mark with his 4th runner Iridessa a 20/1 shot who on her debut today ran all over the Chesham Stakes 5th Cardini in the opener at Killarney.

    Ruler Of The World is standing at just €8,000, it's a shocking indictment of the obsession with speed and precocity that a Derby winning son of Galileo ( a sire of sires ) who's a half brother to the legendary Duke Of Marmalade ( who is a smashing sire as well ) had his stallion career practically written off before he got a chance with the kind of mares that a well bred Derby winner should be getting. I really hope that Ruler Of The World gets to climb up the fee ladder so that he doesn't end up exported or shuffled off to the NH stallion ranks.

    An €8,000 fee for Ruler Of The World a Galileo Epsom Derby winning half brother to the multiple Group 1 winner producing Duke Of Marmalade. Well thankfuly he had produced 2yo Gp1 winner Iridessa in his first crop which will hopefully see his fee and the quality of mare rise so that he won't end up exported or in the NH sphere.


    The mighty £175,000 fee Frankel couldn't do what the passed over Ruler did. I'm kind of hopefully that Frankel's brother Noble Mission is going to eventually end up being noted as a being better sire than his brother.

    The old man Galileo is in danger of being swamped by the success of his sons who will rob him of a string of new Gp1 winners as they themselves produce bucketfuls of Gp1 winners


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    I see Ask has left Coolmore NH stud. Ive heard he was sold to a breeder in Wales. Obviously wasnt doing as well as they had hoped.


    Ive a filly foal by Ask so am a bit disappointed by this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭I says


    TheTorment wrote: »
    I see Ask has left Coolmore NH stud. Ive heard he was sold to a breeder in Wales. Obviously wasnt doing as well as they had hoped.


    Ive a filly foal by Ask so am a bit disappointed by this.

    Order of Saint George to replace him??


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    I says wrote: »
    Order of Saint George to replace him??


    Id be happy to see him there. Ive a mare to cover this Spring so would seriously consider him if he's not silly prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Although Galileo has now reached 6 individual Gp1 winners from the crop who were 3yo this year, all of which were trained by Aidan O'Brien. There's still plenty of reason to be a bit concerned about his future holding onto his number 1 status in the UK and Ireland stallion ranks.

    The last time I remember Galileo failing to have a 2yo Gp1 winner was in his first crop. This year while Dubawi was firing in two Gp1 2yo winners of the highest quality Galileo had to make do with Gp1 places for his 2yo's and now that Dubawi has established himself as a source of more precocious talent he's on the verge of making the breakthrough to topple Galileo sooner rather than later as Champion Sire.

    On Saturday in the Futurity it's a son of Invincible Spirit out of a Galileo mare that's his number one chance of lifting that race. There are two French Gp1 races for 2yo's this weekend so maybe Galileo can get on the board, if that fails there's always the Breeders Cup Juvenile races to have a crack at.

    It's become a trend that Galileo's grandkids are beginning to excel at taking the bite from their granda's mouth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    TheTorment wrote: »
    I see Ask has left Coolmore NH stud. Ive heard he was sold to a breeder in Wales. Obviously wasnt doing as well as they had hoped.


    Ive a filly foal by Ask so am a bit disappointed by this.
    National Hunt sire Ask will stand at Dunraven Stud in South Wales during the forthcoming breeding season, having been purchased from Coolmore.

    The son of Sadler's Wells stood at Beeches Stud in 2018 for a fee of €3,000, his eighth year at stud following a racing career that saw him win seven of 19 career starts, including a pair of Group 1s in the Prix Royal Oak and the Coronation Cup, both in 2009.

    David Brace, owner of Dunraven Stud, said: "After the sad passing of Dr Massini last season, I have been actively looking to recruit another leading stallion son of Sadler’s Wells to try and fill his shoes and once I was alerted to the possibility that Ask might be available for purchase, I knew I had to act quickly.

    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/ask-heads-to-dunraven-stud-in-wales-following-purchase-from-coolmore/350909


    In the long term the move should work out well which isn't much use to you. I don't think it'll damage demand for Ask's progeny as a move away from Coolmore for a stallion is becoming a very normal thing as that outfit become not just a stallion farm but a farm for selling stallions. It's unreal the amount of established stallions and stallions to be that Coolmore are selling off in recent times as they make way for the yearly supply of new stallion talent to come through.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Inion An Ri


    Galileo had no 2yo G1 winners in 2013. However, that crop did go on to have 5 G1 winners, 4 as 3yos and one as a 4yo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Inion An Ri


    Norway is the 4/5 favourite for the 10f G1 in France on Saturday, and Cape of Good Hope and Hermosa are likely runners in the G1 on Sunday. I fancy Hermosa for that, she would have won the Fillies Mile only for taking the brunt of the very strong headwind for the entire race while the winner was covered up, even Joseph O'Brien admitted that. Significant that Aidan has left her in against the colts, he pulled off a similar number with Happily on Arc Day last year.
    Then, Anthony Van Dyck is the favourite for the BC Juvenile Turf, and believe it or not, Line of Duty is the second favourite for Godolphin, and he's a Galileo colt also! The third favourite is Broome, also for Ballydoyle, but he's unlikely to run, and it's 10/1 the field after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    I wish there was a simple list of stallions going to stud in 2019, and stallions leaving stud. My stallion database is not even close to reality.
    I see Worthadd left the Irish National Stud to go to Pau, France.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Norway is the 4/5 favourite for the 10f G1 in France on Saturday, and Cape of Good Hope and Hermosa are likely runners in the G1 on Sunday. I fancy Hermosa for that, she would have won the Fillies Mile only for taking the brunt of the very strong headwind for the entire race while the winner was covered up, even Joseph O'Brien admitted that. Significant that Aidan has left her in against the colts, he pulled off a similar number with Happily on Arc Day last year.
    Then, Anthony Van Dyck is the favourite for the BC Juvenile Turf, and believe it or not, Line of Duty is the second favourite for Godolphin, and he's a Galileo colt also! The third favourite is Broome, also for Ballydoyle, but he's unlikely to run, and it's 10/1 the field after that.

    The first part didn't go too well. Don't know why Norway ran so poorly, but Hermosa looks to be a middle-distance Gp1 winner in the making next year. Also if Flag Of Honour hadn't done a really bad Dayjur impression in the stayers Gp1 he would have beaten the winner easily. Hopefully next year O'Brien's legion of 3yo Galileos will step up from their somewhat stunted 2yo campaigns.

    Aidan has a very patchy record in France over the last few years so I wouldn't take the weekend's setbacks too seriously.

    As for the chasing pack behind Galileo, well Invincible Spirit had a 2yo Gp1 double over 7f and 1mile so maybe he's going to turn into a Danehill like surprise supplier of middle-distance horses after making his name with sprinters. Camelot notched his maiden Gp1 winning 2yo and is becoming a very desirable sire, even when Coolmore lose a big race they often tend to come out as winners as their sires hit the mark for others.

    Australia continues to notch up the winners and hit 2 placed horse in the weekend's Group 1 2yo races and it was particularly pleasing that both his placed progeny were bouncing back from poor runs and staying on at the death in their races Everything about the Australias screams middle-distance + 3yos that will be a huge threat in all 12f races for years to come.

    The circus carries on to the USA, even if Galileo gets his 2yo Gp1 winner there I always feel that the Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf races are Gp1 in name only, reputation wise they feel like Gp 2 races.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Inion An Ri


    The race possibly came too soon for Norway, having run just 2 weeks previously in another 10f race, Sydney Opera House had a much easier time in that previous race when he was unable to get a clear run. Coolmore will have been happy enough with the 1-2 for Camelot and Australia. Camelot now has 13 stakes winners, including 3 G1 winners, and Australia received lots of good press over the weekend. He has a lot of promising types without having a star 2yo, but it looks like they take time to mature. Australia himself was put away early as a 2yo.
    Was surprised that they dropped Hermosa back to 7f today, she really needs the mile already and Ryan was prevented from setting a strong pace. Godolphin have been farming these weak French races all year, and know how to ride them, a French jockey helps too.
    Also surprising to see Anthony Van Dyck being aimed at the Juvenile Turf, expected him to be put away. But the Breeders Cup is a major target for Ballydoyle and they like to have at least one winner, AVD is probably their best shot. And after all, Mendelssohn won it last year, with this year's Derby winner in behind!
    In his interview yesterday, Aidan said that his 2yos' development was impacted by the virus from June onwards, and he expected more improvement to come from them as 3yos than might normally be the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    One-time Classic hope James Cook, who defeated Latrobe in a Leopardstown maiden last October, is set to take up stud duties in Uzbekistan after selling for 42,000gns to Andriy Ostapchuk of Imperial Bloodstock.

    The Galileo colt, a brother to Found, was the highlight of Ballydoyle's first batch of horses through the ring. The group also included the winning two-year-olds North Face, who was highly tried this season, and Isle Of Innisfree (a brother to Sioux Nation), who sold for 25,000gns and 23,000gns to Damian English and Paul d'Arcy.

    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/bumper-week-of-selling-for-autumn-hit-sale-gets-under-way/351458

    Never thought this lad would keep his tackle and become a stallion, but the expectations that go with being a full brother to Arc winner Found look to be finally paying off for James Cook.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Mgoraf


    There you go tryfix!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Mgoraf wrote: »
    There you go tryfix!

    Delighted to see that bonny little horse get his GP 1 win in the States ( it ties in well with last week's French GP1) and he'll be my Epsom horse if he makes it there. He hates to lose, that's worth following any day. :)


    Also that Gosden War Front 2yo out of Immortal Verse that won at Newmarket today is a good filip for Caravaggio who was allowed by Coolmore to cover the 4.7m buy Immortal Verse. Really hoping that Caravaggio is going to be a big success at stud.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    Darley fees for 2019.

    Cracksman to stand at Dalham Hall for £25,000. That's a sort of sensible fee ( maybe £5k too much ) which should see him fill his book and notch up a few decent middle-distance horses in the making. He is a smashing specimen but I wouldn't be too wild about his pedigree especially the Frankel part.

    Harry Angel to stand at £20,000

    Hawkbill starts his career at a very reasonable £7,500 which is a nice entry price for a flashy very well bred son of Kittens Joy.

    Cloth Of Stars to stand for €7,500 in France

    Exceed and Excel stands at €50,000 which seems a little high?

    €40,000 for Teofilo

    £35,000 for Ifraaj.

    £30,000 for New Approach and €15,000 for his promising son Dawn Approach.


    Dubawi stays at £250,000 ( he's proving himself well worth his earlier fee rises )


    https://www.darleyeurope.com/stallions/our-stallions


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    No Nay Nevers's stud fee gone from €25k to €100k.
    That's one hell of a jump. All be it his 2yos have been brilliant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Exceed and excel for 50 or no nay never for double that. Makes little sense to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭tryfix


    kiers47 wrote: »
    No Nay Nevers's stud fee gone from €25k to €100k.
    That's one hell of a jump. All be it his 2yos have been brilliant.


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    The sales market has gone through the roof but only at the top end. The stupendous fee rise marks No Nay Never out as being the European heir to Scat Daddy's crown and from here on his book will be full of the cream of mares which can deliver regardless of No Nay Never's input into the resultant foals. Branding Power it's kind of like overcharging for a supposedly prestige brand of car which shares common components with the more mundane marks of the same motor group.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    Old news but just seeing that kessaar is retiring to tally ho stud after what was obviously an above average 2yo career but hardly anything to get excited about.

    Fairly sure he wasn't forced out by injury either.


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    I says wrote: »
    Order of Saint George to replace him??

    Looks like it. Doesnt say which stud he'll be standing though nor fee as yet.

    https://coolmore.com/farms/nationalhunt/stallions/order-of-st-george


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