Why do prisoners have so many rights?

CorkMan

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

Kojak

They don't have any rights in the prison forum...

hooradiation

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

Oh look, it's this shit again.

mickydoomsux

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

Because we'd rather piss against the wind trying to "rehabilitate" scum rather than punishing them.

NSNO

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

Have you seen the inside of Mountjoy? Pray that neither you or anybody you love ends up there. It's hell.

Shenshen

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

I could be wrong, but I suspect the biggest junk of those €2k are the prison wardens' salaries.

So if you're happy enough not to guard prisons any more, that would be the biggest saving.

Chuck Stone

Rights are there to protect everyone. Human rights came about after the disgusting loss of life witnessed during WW2.

Be thankfull for them because they just might end up protecting you some time.

Lady Chuckles

CorkMan wrote: »

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete tinkle.

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself

supermonkey

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

You are a man of rare intellectual ability!

AnonoBoy

Prisoners' rights are all very well and good but nobody warns you to watch out for their lefts.

"One-Two-Uniflu!"

IngazZagni

NSNO wrote: »

Have you seen the inside of Mountjoy? Pray that neither you or anybody you love ends up there. It's hell.

Good, prison should be like this. With this Countries history of suspended sentences for quite serious crimes it's quite obvious that those in prison deserve to be here.

petes

IngazZagni wrote: »

G it's quite obvious that those in prison deserve to be here.

Have you the internet in prison?

hooradiation

Insurgent wrote: »

Have you the internet in prison?

They're like hotels Joe, HOTELS!

Bring back the iron maiden, being alive is too good for them I say!

IngazZagni

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Rights are there to protect everyone. Human rights came about after the disgusting loss of life witnessed during WW2.

Be thankfull for them because they just might end up protecting you some time.

I would argue that if you were convicted of purposely taking someone's life, you don't deserve rights. The fact that they live in relative comfort after this really irritates me.

Insurgent wrote: »

Have you the internet in prison?

Haha, no but there are TV's, Playstations and various other things to keep criminals entertained.

senordingdong

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

Because that would be illegal.

Willbbz

Few bars of soap. Be grand

Wattle

Lets give them keys as well so they can come and go as they please. That's more or less what happens anyway.

paddyandy

They should contract the Prison Service out to The Siberian Government for the serious criminals.They would do it for a fraction of the cost . Our Prison Service is managed as a business as were the Psychiatric Hospitals .Clinics too have become businesses.Across the water Thatcher came along and saw what the game was and closed them down and sheepishly we followed but Prison Costs are terrible.We also have A Massive Security Industry that didnt exist not many decades ago.Plenty of Law and Order in this country would reduce the Stress and Crime in this country but would'nt be popular in some places.A lot of our crime and psychiatric costs are very anxiety and stress related.Not all though it's not an exact Science or even a simple issue.It needs VERY strong Government policies and from weak governments it's not going to happen.It's not realistic to expect such a tremendous change.

suicide_circus

While I kind of understand why the gardai dont have batons, I do NOT understand why prison officers dont have batons.

IngazZagni

IngazZagni wrote: »

I would argue that if you were convicted of purposely taking someone's life, you don't deserve rights. The fact that they live in relative comfort after this really irritates me............

Crimes other than murder and manslaughter carry custodial sentances you know

mackg

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

And we can all do a sweepstake on how long it takes each one to completely lose their sanity. Freedom really is free choice people in prision do not have that, their routine is dictated to them. Is the best part of your life really playing the xbox?

IngazZagni

RoverJames wrote: »

Crimes other than murder and manslaughter carry custodial sentances you know

Do you get my point though? There are different levels of crime. Murder is on another level to an un-armed robbery. Both deserve prison but the former don't deserve rights or life with comfort.

Because being left-handed is an abomination.

mackg

IngazZagni wrote: »

Do you get my point though? There are different levels of crime. Murder is on another level to an un-armed robbery. Both deserve prison but the former don't deserve rights or life with comfort.

No the difference in punishment should be the length of the sentence, I am hugely in favour of coming down HARD on serious crime, but taking away peoples human rights is not the way to go about doing this.

AG2R

Because the system is a joke.

When you read about phones, pool tables and Game consoles you have to wonder you really do.

KerranJast

IngazZagni wrote: »

Haha, no but there are TV's, Playstations and various other things to keep criminals entertained.

Actually those are given to keep them from constantly rioting. Unless you want the cost of the Prison Service to skyrocket with riot police on constant standby then you have to reward good or rather not bad behaviour.

scholar007

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

Jethro, go git the rope, we is gonna have ourselves a lot o' hangins. We is gonna save €2k per week for each hangin. YEEHAW!

mattjack

paddyandy wrote: »

They should contract the Prison Service out to The Siberian Government for the serious criminals.They would do it for a fraction of the cost . Our Prison Service is managed as a business as were the Psychiatric Hospitals .Clinics too have become businesses.Across the water Thatcher came along and saw what the game was and closed them down and sheepishly we followed but Prison Costs are terrible.We also have A Massive Security Industry that didnt exist not many decades ago.Plenty of Law and Order in this country would reduce the Stress and Crime in this country but would'nt be popular in some places.A lot of our crime and psychiatric costs are very anxiety and stress related.Not all though it's not an exact Science or even a simple issue.It needs VERY strong Government policies and from weak governments it's not going to happen.It's not realistic to expect such a tremendous change.

this Siberian Government you speak of...? there is no country called Siberia.

conorhal

Insurgent wrote: »

Have you the internet in prison?

Only on me iPhone bud.

mconigol

They can house one or two of them with me. I'll only charge a grand a week...food and electricity included.

IngazZagni

KerranJast wrote: »

Actually those are given to keep them from constantly rioting. Unless you want the cost of the Prison Service to skyrocket with riot police on constant standby then you have to reward good or rather not bad behaviour.

Why do they riot? Because they can. Prison wardens are not armed and it's unlikely they will be punished meaningfully for stepping out of line.

No the difference in punishment should be the length of the sentence, I am hugely in favour of coming down HARD on serious crime, but taking away peoples human rights is not the way to go about doing this.

It's this sort of attitude that will have someone like Anders Behring Breivik who brutally murdered over 70 people, including children and destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds living in a comfortable cell for the rest of his life because he "deserves" human rights. Really?

paddyandy

mattjack wrote: »

this Siberian Government you speak of...? there is no country called Siberia.

It always happens some genius finds a minor misnomer and DISMISSES EVERYTHING it always happens.The f***king wheel could never have begun in ireland.It's especially an IRISH problem.We kill great ideas before birth.Only for the presense of ENGLAND we'd still be in caves and septs.

Shenshen

IngazZagni wrote: »

Why do they riot? Because they can. Prison wardens are not armed and it's unlikely they will be punished meaningfully for stepping out of line.

Yes, that's why in the US, where the guards are armed, and governments are allowed to kill people, they have so very few prison riots... oh, wait....

It's this sort of attitude that will have someone like Anders Behring Breivik who brutally murdered over 70 people, including children and destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds living in a comfortable cell for the rest of his life because he "deserves" human rights. Really?

Really.
Two wrongs never make a right, and the justice system is about justice, not about revenge. The clue is in the name.

Shenshen

paddyandy wrote: »

It always happens some genius finds a minor misnomer and DISMISSES EVERYTHING it always happens.The f***king wheel could never have begun in ireland.It's especially an IRISH problem.We kill great ideas before birth.Only for the presense of ENGLAND we'd still be in caves and septs.

*lol

Sounds like you never, ever lived abroad, or just even posted on any international forum.

wild_cat

IngazZagni wrote: »

It's this sort of attitude that will have someone like Anders Behring Breivik who brutally murdered over 70 people, including children and destroyed the livelihoods of hundreds living in a comfortable cell for the rest of his life because he "deserves" human rights. Really?

No sane person does this. I trust the Norwegians to deal with it in the correct manner.

washman3

NSNO wrote: »

Have you seen the inside of Mountjoy? Pray that neither you or anybody you love ends up there. It's hell.

Ahmmm, is that not what prison is supposed to be like???

Or should we just house them in places like the Shelbourne Hotel...:mad:

RichieC

CorkMan wrote: »

The purpose of jail, as laid out by the government, is to take away someones freedom. So why does it cost €2k a week to house them?

Just put them in a room, throw some bread and some soup in once or twice a day and give them a place to excrete. That would cost much less than €2k a week, so why isn't it being done? Also the issue of overcrowding, just build another building next door, make sure it's secure (ie no big windows in a cell, big solid door) and there ya go.

We'd have he international community down on us like a ton of bricks, I know it may have passed a lot of people in Ireland, but it's not middle ages anymore.

paddyandy

We've been softened up by TV characters.Real Criminals are not like TV's .One of the reasons i got rid of mine was i felt i was putting money into EVIL.I don't buy products if i know they are advertised on tv and never a newspaper or magazine.....evil all of them.

ChRoMe

IngazZagni wrote: »

Why do they riot? Because they can. Prison wardens are not armed and it's unlikely they will be punished meaningfully for stepping out of line.

Stop, and think for a moment why its a good idea for prison wardens not to be armed.

Freddie59

NSNO wrote: »

Have you seen the inside of Mountjoy? Pray that neither you or anybody you love ends up there. It's hell.

Good. They must be doing something right. What do you want it to be? A holiday camp?

Freddie59

senordingdong wrote: »

Because that would be illegal.

And morally acceptable by the silent majority in this country.

THIS FELLA would settle it fairly fast.:)

RichieC

paddyandy wrote: »

We've been softened up by TV characters.Real Criminals are not like TV's .One of the reasons i got rid of mine was i felt i was putting money into EVIL.I don't buy products if i know they are advertised on tv and never a newspaper or magazine.....evil all of them.

facepalm ascii

Freddie59

paddyandy wrote: »

It always happens some genius finds a minor misnomer and DISMISSES EVERYTHING it always happens.The f***king wheel could never have begun in ireland.It's especially an IRISH problem.We kill great ideas before birth.Only for the presense of ENGLAND we'd still be in caves and septs.

And Independent....with our own language still intact. Yeah, England were great.:rolleyes:

7sr2z3fely84g5

Why does everyone think that a "scumbag" ends up in prison?.

You can be sent there for not paying a fine,manslaughter *yes and i mean the sort where you could killed someone by accident when you where defending yourself*,or drug use.

People sent to prison are someones son or daughter,they not all scoobs,some people do make mistakes,some people are sent to prison because there's no place for them in the mental health facilities.

if we want to get "tough" on crime whilst still be in the european union,we could take a look at the uk system of tariffs or "jailing for public protection" if someone is dangerous but does not warrant an life sentence.

Sentences are usually reduced for good behaviour and im sure many do want that option to get out there as fast as they can,i cant imagine the sight of sitting in cell looking at cellmate taking a shít into a bucket.

paddyandy

Freddie59 wrote: »

And Independent....with our own language still intact. Yeah, England were great.:rolleyes:

We got independance and look at us.....The Language we've pushed aside .

COYW

NSNO wrote: »

Have you seen the inside of Mountjoy? Pray that neither you or anybody you love ends up there. It's hell.

Mustn't be bad enough, as plenty seem to yo-yo in and out of the place. If it really was hell then thugs might think twice about breaking the law and thus ending up back in there.

COYW

Freddie59 wrote: »

And Independent....with our own language still intact. Yeah, England were great.:rolleyes:

We have been independent for the very large part of a century now and the country isn't exactly in a great state.

Every child in the country studies Irish for a decade plus and fluency hasn't exactly rocketed, has it? Many are looking for the subject to made optional. The state of the Irish language or lack there of has nothing to do with England.

hooradiation

Freddie59 wrote: »

And morally acceptable by the silent majority in this country.

THIS FELLA would settle it fairly fast.:)

Citing Joe Arpaio as anything other than a prime example of corruption and gross negligence masquerading as justice is the fastest way to show you don't have the slightest hint of a notion of what you're on about.

So cheers for that, saves a lot of effort.

The_Minister

COYW wrote: »

Mustn't be bad enough, as plenty seem to yo-yo in and out of the place. If it really was hell then thugs might think twice about breaking the law and thus ending up back in there.

They **** in a bucket.


They honest to God **** in a bucket.

The reason it doesn't work is that there is no proof that harsh sentences deters crime - FFS we used to hang people for stealing watches, and guess what - people still stole.

There is no evidence that harsh sentencing deters crime, there is evidence that rehabilitation, if properly funded can work in some cases (Norway for instance).

CorkMan

The_Minister wrote: »

They **** in a bucket.


They honest to God **** in a bucket.

The reason it doesn't work is that there is no proof that harsh sentences deters crime - FFS we used to hang people for stealing watches, and guess what - people still stole.

There is no evidence that harsh sentencing deters crime, there is evidence that rehabilitation, if properly funded can work in some cases (Norway for instance).

This has nothing to do this the main topic or prison, but in Saudi Arabia if you still you get your hand cut off. Even during prayer where everyone prays thieves do not steal. Violence against crime is a deterrent IMO.

LeeHoffmann

They **** in a bucket.


They honest to God **** in a bucket.

The reason it doesn't work is that there is no proof that harsh sentences deters crime - FFS we used to hang people for stealing watches, and guess what - people still stole.

There is no evidence that harsh sentencing deters crime, there is evidence that rehabilitation, if properly funded can work in some cases (Norway for instance).

Do you always say everythig twice?

Do you always say everything twice?

sorry, I'm bored