Community - Season 4 [US] *Spoilers*

amacachi

Deleted User wrote: »

That does kinda creep me out. What age is Jeff supposed to be? I wouldn't say late 30s, perhaps early 30s?

It's mad that Allison Brie is 30, playing an 18 year old.

Think Jeff and Britta are meant to be early 30s.
Suppose the Annie character is 21 now. It's mad she's 30 fullstop. Still not as mad as going out with Martin Starr.

amacachi

amacachi wrote: »

Think Jeff and Britta are meant to be early 30s.
Suppose the Annie character is 21 now. It's mad she's 30 fullstop. Still not as mad as going out with Martin Starr.

Yeah, how in the fuck did that happen?

Allison Brie playing an 18 year old is nowhere near as Stacey Dash playing a 16 year old in Clueless when she was in her late 30s. She's now 45. Yes, 45.

And, my God, is she smoking hot still.

Conor108

"I was just googling record lengths of stuff" - The Dean

Such a good episode

amacachi

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, how in the fuck did that happen?

I dunno but it's made me want to become a teacher. Or an actor.

Allison Brie playing an 18 year old is nowhere near as Stacey Dash playing a 16 year old in Clueless when she was in her late 30s. She's now 45. Yes, 45.

And, my God, is she smoking hot still.

What?

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

That does kinda creep me out. What age is Jeff supposed to be? I wouldn't say late 30s, perhaps early 30s?

It's mad that Allison Brie is 30, playing an 18 year old.

re: what alaistir_doom said:

It'd be great if it was a tie-in with the Chaos theory episode, where the bad timeline discovered how to cross over to this one and they are actively trying to kill their counterparts.

Joking? That'd be a terrible idea imo; as silly as Community got I always figured that the weirder things like the alt-timeline was simply the audience seeing into Abed's overactive imagination (for instance the Christmas episode where everything became a cartoon) & that there wasn't actually any sci-fi component to things. That it was all simply 'meta'

youngblood

Basq wrote: »

Joel McHale is 40!? :eek:

His amazin Hair transplant did wonders for him! (Its funny when others have to touch his hair on the show!)
Fair play I say!

phasers

I knew Chevy was trouble. He'll never change.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/chevy-chase-in-feud-with-community-creator-dan-harmon/#more-251524

Things are looking up for NBC’s perennial bubble series Community, which has been solid since returning from a long hiatus earlier this month, establishing itself as NBC’s second highest-rated comedy behind The Office. But behind the scenes, a rift between co-star Chevy Chase and creator/executive producer/showrunner Dan Harmon has escalated into an ugly war of words.

TimeToShine

phasers wrote: »

I knew Chevy was trouble. He'll never change.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/chevy-chase-in-feud-with-community-creator-dan-harmon/#more-251524

It's not completely his fault, Dan Harmon made a toast in front of Chevy and his wife and daughter saying, and i quote "f*ck you chevy" with the whole series cast and workers there, and getting them all to join in chanting it. Chevy just walked off stage and didn't deserve this, especially in front of his family. Dan was warned that Chevy was difficult to work with before he hired him, and it's because of him that Community was even on the map in the first place. As much of a twat as chevy is, Dan sounds like a downright dickhead to me

amacachi

Wouldn't miss him tbh.

pixelburp

Frankly I've been amazed the character has remained as part of the group; Pearce is sometimes written as such the ass, it's hard to see how any real people would tolerate him.

Seren_

From what I've read and seen around the internets, Dan Harmon isn't meant to be the easiest person to get along with either, so I think they're both in the wrong tbh. Chevy Chase has apparently been a d1ck since forever, but I don't think it was right of Harmon to act like that in front of everyone. It's not exactly professional behaviour from either of them.

I do think the show would survive without Pierce, but it would still be crap to see the character go. Hopefully they can check their egos enough to work with each other if the show gets another season.

While I'm not conceived that this is anything more than an elaborate Aprils fool joke.

If its true then Harmon has came off the bigger dick, his replies to texts where people told him the onstage stunt was childish and inappropriate especially considering that Chase's family was in attendance were downright mean and insulting.

I don't think I'd miss Chase from the show but still as hard as he is to work with its not like no there isn't precedant for it.

KeanSeenan

Seems too coincidental for this to happen today. But then again, they both have a history of this, I think Harmon lost his job on the Sarah Silverman programme for being ehh 'passionate' let's say. There's a voicemail Chevy left going around too, but I doesn't seem too legit.

amacachi

KeanSeenan wrote: »

Seems too coincidental for this to happen today. But then again, they both have a history of this, I think Harmon lost his job on the Sarah Silverman programme for being ehh 'passionate' let's say. There's a voicemail Chevy left going around too, but I doesn't seem too legit.

If I were working on the Sarah Silverman thing I'd lose my job because of a few bottles of whisky and a revolver.

ixoy

KeanSeenan wrote: »

Seems too coincidental for this to happen today.

But it didn't happen today - the story is from yesterday and it appears to be based on an article a month before that.

KeanSeenan

How long did it take for people to notice beetlejuice?
No, but I got the impression they butted heads often. Chevy is becoming Pierce though, storming off to his trailer. Does that make Harmon the Dean in that episode-scenario?Oh god, this might get much weirder.

bnt

TimeToShine wrote: »

It's not completely his fault, Dan Harmon made a toast in front of Chevy and his wife and daughter saying, and i quote "f*ck you chevy" with the whole series cast and workers there, and getting them all to join in chanting it. Chevy just walked off stage and didn't deserve this, especially in front of his family. Dan was warned that Chevy was difficult to work with before he hired him, and it's because of him that Community was even on the map in the first place. As much of a twat as chevy is, Dan sounds like a downright dickhead to me

But that was in response to Chevy walking off the set during the shoot, forcing last-minute changes to the script - then attending the wrap party in spite of all that. Ken Levine (writer and showrunner, but not for this show) has more details here.

Here’s what I don’t like about this juicy Hollywood story and what I do like. (Remember, I'm Mr. Objective.)

The don’t like part first. By acting like a total jerk, Chase perpetuates the stereotype that actors are all out-of-control ego maniacal monsters. The truth is 95% of them are consummate professionals and easy to work with. They may have creative disagreements with you, but this is a collaborative process. They voice their concerns in a respectful way, and although I hate to admit it, they’re often right. So he does his fellow actors a disservice... not that he gives a ****, I'm sure. No one who walks off a set in the middle of a scene has any regard for his fellow actors.

Now the like part. When showrunners clash with stars and one has to go, usually it’s the showrunner. This pendulum is starting to swing the other way. Charlie Sheen was fired from TWO AND A HALF MEN, not Chuck Lorre. And in this case Dan Harmon will surely prevail. Yay showrunners!

Chevy Chase will not get another show. And trust me, despite what he says, in another few years when the only work he can get is dinner theaters in North Dakota, the idea of steady employment on a network sitcom will look pretty damn good to him. But no offer will come. COMMUNITY only came along because then-NBC president, Ben Silverman forced Chase on Harmon. That won’t happen again. Chase has no name recognition factor anymore and the “Is he worth it?” scale is now pinning in the “no”.

Ken's claims of being "objective" are, shall we say, rhetorical. :cool:

Corkfeen

bnt wrote: »

But that was in response to Chevy walking off the set during the shoot, forcing last-minute changes to the script - then attending the wrap party in spite of all that. Ken Levine (writer and showrunner, but not for this show) has more details here.

Ken's claims of being "objective" are, shall we say, rhetorical. :cool:

But it still doesn't make it acceptable to publicly shame him in front of his family. Confronting him privately would be far less troublesome...

Would Chevvy Chase's absence be noticed though? I really don't think so. At the beginning, I guess he would have been their largest selling point, but now as the show has grown from strength-to-strength, do they really need him? I really don't think he can add too much more.

skeleton_boy

At the beginning I thought Pierce was the a hilarious old fool, now he's just a strange hate filled character. Wouldn't miss him all that much tbh

phasers

I don't understand anyone considering Chevy a 'big name', I'd say Ken Jeong is probably the most famous cast member. Well at least the most recognisable. Chevy hasn't been relevant in 15 years. Still, it would be a shame to lose any of the cast.

allanb49

The question is if they do lose chevy who would replace him or would they,

Would a secondary character join up the main group or would they replace with a like for like old man, or would it then be Jeff be the old man of the group and slowly fall into Pierce's role,

SirLemonhead

phasers wrote: »

I don't understand anyone considering Chevy a 'big name', I'd say Ken Jeong is probably the most famous cast member. Well at least the most recognisable. Chevy hasn't been relevant in 15 years. Still, it would be a shame to lose any of the cast.

I couldn't name a single other actor in that show other than Chevy Chase. I assume Ken Jeong is Chang..

AlmightyCushion

SirLemonhead wrote: »

I couldn't name a single other actor in that show other than Chevy Chase. I assume Ken Jeong is Chang..

I could name some of the others but it would only be because I've been reading up on the show since I found out about it.

amacachi

Only reason I had any clue who he was because he was in Chuck a few years ago. I really don't like Pierce in the show anyway. So angry the whole time, not pleasant to watch.

phasers

Maybe I'm too young to remember Chevy, tbh Joel McHale was the most famous cast member to me because I've watched The Soup for years. I just figured that since Ken has been in The Hangover and Transformers and a load of other stuff he's probably the most recognisable. What was the last thing Chevy Chase was in?

Regarding a replacement, I suppose Leonard is the obvious choice. Or they could recast him and just never mention it

psicic

I don't know whether it was Chase 'phoning it in' or whether the part was just never developed or written very well (I seem to remember earlier on this thread someone saying that Pierce and Troy were supposed to be the Beavis and Butthead of the group and Abed and Troy weren't supposed to be best buds in the original storyboards) but the Pierce character has always been of questionable worth to the group. I'd personally like if he was made into a darker character causing trouble - but they've backed away from that so many times now you're left wondering what is the point. He was far too old for some of his earlier storylines in my opinion.

It never occured to me that people wouldn't really know of Chevy Chase as an actor, though. Considering he was in all those kids movies in the 90s, and starred in so many seminal movies in the 80s.

Funny thing is, if you asked me to say who Chevy Chase in his hay day reminded me of, it would have to be Joel McHale!!!

phasers

phasers wrote: »

Regarding a replacement, I suppose Leonard is the obvious choice. Or they could recast him and just never mention it

I would love it if Pierce turned up with his head wrapped up in bandages, saying he had "an accident" and was waiting for it to heal. Only to have a younger (10 years or so) actor underneath. The new Pierce

FouxDaFaFa

Was just taking a look at Dan Harmon's twitter. Really childish replies to any criticism of his conduct or the show. He's fixated on it, barely acknowledges the positive things people say. Chevy was also in the wrong but you would expect the creator to have a bit of class.

Seren_

He's always seemed to be like that on twitter tbh. I know he says he has problems with understanding social stuff, but there's still no need to use that as an excuse to be a d1ck.

Hilariously, Abed has been doing that on the show a bit lately too...

Crumbs

Dan wrote a bit about the situation here:

http://danharmon.tumblr.com/post/20430020654/not-that-it-helps-but

pickarooney

Every time I read something he writes he seems like more and more of a prick. I can't stand this kind of overblown public faux-flagellation.

Richard Dower

Not surprised Harmon is a prick, alot of showrunners are tbh...Marc Cherry anyone?

Adolf Hipster

Richard Dower wrote: »

Not surprised Harmon is a prick, alot of showrunners are tbh...Marc Cherry anyone?

Are you a showrunner?

MOD NOTE: Adolf Hipster banned from the forum for a period of time for abuse of another poster. OldGoat

sprucemoose

Adolf Hipster wrote: »

you should stick to your girly tween sh¡te like gossip girl.

hey!its not that bad:p

sprucemoose

nkay1985 wrote: »

Was that actually Moby at the party?

nah his name is JP Manoux but he was in How I Met Your Mother and the rest of the characters all thought he was Moby.When I first saw it (the HIMYM ep.) I honestly thought it was Jim Rash

Das Kitty

phasers wrote: »

God that episode was great. Except for Jeff and Annie, ugh.

I suppose the fact that I work with an Irish bloke called Kim made it funnier for me.

Conor108

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJQjB1jGE3c

Kiith

I hope he stays. I actually really enjoy his character most of the time. He, and Dan Harmon, can be total dicks for all i care. Just keep the quality of the show up.

AG2R

I don't understand how people say they won't miss his Character, IMO his character is totally underrated, he comes out with some great one liners

Skinfull

amacachi wrote: »

Only reason I had any clue who he was because he was in Chuck a few years ago. I really don't like Pierce in the show anyway. So angry the whole time, not pleasant to watch.

Wait... hold the god damned phone!!! :eek:

Are you saying you had no idea who Chevy Chase was before you saw him in Chuck?! Thats unreal!! So does that mean you havent seen Vacation, Fletch, Spies Like Us or Three Amigos!?!?! And thats all just in a three year period!! There are so much more out there!

Corkfeen

Skinfull wrote: »

Wait... hold the god damned phone!!! :eek:

Are you saying you had no idea who Chevy Chase was before you saw him in Chuck?! Thats unreal!! So does that mean you havent seen Vacation, Fletch, Spies Like Us or Three Amigos!?!?! And thats all just in a three year period!! There are so much more out there!

I've seen tons of films but haven't ever actually seen any of the above. But I did know Chevy prior to his appearance in Chuck..........

amacachi

Skinfull wrote: »

Wait... hold the god damned phone!!! :eek:

Are you saying you had no idea who Chevy Chase was before you saw him in Chuck?! Thats unreal!! So does that mean you havent seen Vacation, Fletch, Spies Like Us or Three Amigos!?!?! And thats all just in a three year period!! There are so much more out there!

Yup. Had heard his name but no idea what from.

Conor108

As a child of the 90's I'd only heard the name before. Never knew of him really until Community.

Skinfull

Oh man... I'm weeping! No wonder he's not getting the love he deserves!!
It's a 4 day weekend guys, at the very least spend it watching the aforementioned movies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ9Zo6Twpjw

psicic

Episode 14 just didn't do it for me.

It was an interesting concept for how to approach the show, there were some clever ideas employed.... and it was probably worth a shot doing.... but it just didn't work well for me.

I know what they were going for - a takeoff of those slow paced PBS Civil War documentaries. Sure, it mimicked those shows well - but it just didn't keep my attention. Maybe it's a cultural thing, not having growing up with the very American phenomenon that is PBS.

Those shows are low budget and meandering - not really suitable in my opinion to act as the template for an entire episode, especially given the rapid pacing and 100-ideas-a-minute usually crammed into an episode of Community. I actually kept expecting them to give up the format and for the real show to take over. My hopes were raised when Chang made an appearance.... but looks like his story is yet to come.

So much material seemed wasted (for example, the design of each sides uniforms) or undeveloped (the nurse Annie stuff). The over use of stills to keep with the joke just bartered away any feeling of tension, cohesion or an evolving story.

Then again, maybe I'm just overly critical since I stayed up late on a Thursday night and didn't get the action-laden pay-off equal to the paintball episodes that I'd been waiting for since last Thursday.

mrkite77

psicic wrote: »

Episode 14 just didn't do it for me.

I enjoyed it.. there were a *ton* of visual gags.. some of them were fairly subtle, like the couch in the dean's office didn't have any cushions on it.

phasers

I really enjoyed it. I thought it was slightly rushed and would have been better as a double episode but I laughed a lot and thought it looked fantastic. The narrator was a great addition.

pickarooney

This was the best episode of the season for me by some distance. Pierce's marshmallow man suit was to die for.

Skinfull

I enjoyed it but it was kind of a slow burner for me. At first I was... eh wuh? but as it went on it got more and more funny. I ended up rewatching it from the start. Brilliant.

"He was part man, part Pillow." The joke and the visual sight of Pierce in hat pillow suit was top notch.

oh and

"Leonard likes this post"