Asked my religion in hospital

Galvasean

summer21 wrote: »

I was in hospital recently and after putting down no religion, i had two visits from person giving out communion and one visit from methodist minister who had my name down on piece of paper.

Filthy scavengers...

The Quadratic Equation

Galvasean wrote: »

Filthy scavengers...

The mask slips again

The Quadratic Equation

summer21 wrote: »

I was in hospital recently and after putting down no religion, i had two visits from person giving out communion and one visit from methodist minister who had my name down on piece of paper.
Clearly he thought i might be looking for religion.
I politely told him no thanks and good bye.

Note to hospitals. No religion does not mean looking to be converted.

Who tried to "convert" you ?

Why would you assume it's a giant conspiracy theory ?

If people get missed during these visits they get angry, if people are not missed during these visits they get angry, why should people not check ?

E.g. How can you be sure the methodist minister was given anything other than a list of non catholics to work off because the hospital staff were busy with medical work ? How can you be sure he did not take down the list wrong ? How can you be sure those giving out commuinion were given any list of peoples religion because the hospital staff were busy with medical work ?

Granted it would be great if they had time and money to make up detailed lists print them up and send them weekly and daily to those visiting, but I would prefer medical care was given the priority, rather than hospital staff time was taken up making lists of people seeking to be offended.

MagicMarker

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Who tried to "convert" you ?

Why would you assume it's a giant conspiracy theory ?

If people get missed during these visits they get angry, if people are not missed during these visits they get angry, why should people not check ?

E.g. How can you be sure the methodist minister was given anything other than a list of non catholics to work off because the hospital staff were busy with medical work ? How can you be sure those giving out commuinion were given any list of peoples religion because the hospital staff were busy with medical work ?

I would prefer medical care was given the priority, rather than hospital staff time was taken up making lists of people seeking to be offended.

Every time I read one of your posts I just picture Agent Nelson Van Alden from Boardwalk Empire. If you've ever seen it then you'll probably know that's not a compliment.

The Quadratic Equation

MagicMarker wrote: »

Every time I read one of your posts I just picture Agent Nelson Van Alden from Boardwalk Empire. If you've ever seen it then you'll probably know that's not a compliment.

Every time i read one of your posts they seem to be just juvenile ad hominem.

MagicMarker

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Every time i read one of your posts they seem to be just juvenile ad hominem.

So's your face.

norrie rugger

Maybe they should just not assume that people want religious intervention (from randomers at that)
If I want their magic beans I will ask for them

Galvasean

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

The mask slips again

Mask nothing. I don't try to hide my disdain for those who prey on the vulnerable.

The Quadratic Equation

Galvasean wrote: »

Mask nothing. I don't try to hide my disdain for those who prey on the vulnerable.

Explain how they "prey on the vunerable" ?

Galvasean

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Explain how they "prey on the vunerable" ?

You mean explain to you? Because everyone else understands what I was getting at. To be honest, I'm pretty sure you do too.

efb

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Explain how they "prey on the vunerable" ?

promise everlasting happiness on their deathbed if they repent and all that cr@p

Even the bible sees to like a really early informercial or daytime tv ad, appeal to the poor, lost and misguided people looking for hope

rainbow kirby

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

E.g. How can you be sure the methodist minister was given anything other than a list of non catholics to work off because the hospital staff were busy with medical work ?

Why should a minister be given this kind of information straight off the bat?

efb

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The Quadratic Equation

Galvasean wrote: »

You mean explain to you? Because everyone else understands what I was getting at. To be honest, I'm pretty sure you do too.

It could mean anything, so could you explain how the minster etc. "preyed on the vunerable ? "

The Quadratic Equation

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Why should a minister be given this kind of information straight off the bat?

Normally I would expect a methodist minister to be given a list of methodists only, but who can say when a department is busy with medical emergencies etc., perhaps he just got the name wrong, perhaps he called to the wrong room by mistake, what is the issue ? If someone from Atheist Ireland called to my room for any reason by mistake, or to check to see if I was an Atheist, perhaps because the hospital did not have time to provide him with a sufficient up to date list, name mix up etc. etc., I would not be bothered in the slightest. I'm secure enough in my own beliefs not to care in the slightest about his beliefs, or find them threatening.

norrie rugger

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Normally I would expect a methodist minister to be given a list of methodists only, but who can say when a department is busy with medical emergecies, perhaps he just got the name wrong, perhaps he called to the wrong room by mistake, what is the issue ?

Yet these mistakes always seem to happen, when people put "no religion"
Would these lists actually be split, or is there a master list that the chaplins can access?

The Quadratic Equation

norrie rugger wrote: »

Yet these mistakes always seem to happen, when people put "no religion"
Would these lists actually be split, or is there a master list that the chaplins can access?

I doubt its a well organised as that, especially with people checking in and out all the time. As I said, I would hope most medical wards would have their minds on other things. I doubt the minister is going to give the nurses hassle if the list has not been updated etc. I've had ministers from other religions pop their head into my room to check if I'm of their religion or not, it does not really bother me, they are just going about their business.

norrie rugger

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

I doubt its a well organised as that, especially with people checking in and out all the time. As I said, I would hope most medical wards would have their minds on other things. I doubt the minister is going to give the nurses hassle if the list has not been updated etc. I've had ministers from other religions pop their head into my room to check if I'm of their religion or not, it does not really bother me, they are just going about their business.

Well my business is none of theirs. The only people that should come into my room, while I am sick, are the medical staff and visitors that I approve.

The Quadratic Equation

norrie rugger wrote: »

Well my business is none of theirs. The only people that should come into my room, while I am sick, are the medical staff and visitors that I approve.

Well stick a sign on the door and save everyone else the time including you.

norrie rugger

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Well stick a sign on the door and save everyone else the time including you.

How about I stick a sign, if I want to be interrupted?
Or better yet, I ask for the preachers. If I do NOT ask then they should not come, especially if I have already stated "No Religion".


Edit* You asked that I give them a sign? We actually do, when we state "No Religion". It should not be up to me to repeatedly state to preachers and bread merchants that I do not want their magic bread/flesh thing.

The Quadratic Equation

norrie rugger wrote: »

How about I stick a sign, if I want to be interrupted?
Or better yet, I ask for the preachers. If I do NOT ask then they should not come, especially if I have already stated "No Religion".

Yep sounds good, write to the HSE with that suggestion.
In many countries that info is already clearly displayed.
The last thing you would want is the last rites in the case of any emergency etc., whereas others would.

norrie rugger

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Yep sounds good, write to the HSE with that suggestion.
In many countries that info is already clearly displayed.
The last thing you would want is the last rites in the case of any emergency etc., whereas others would.

The only people that I want in my room, are family and friends, if I can when I die. Seeing as I would have stated "No Religion" then I definitely (really serious here) do NOT want a priest taking over proceedings and getting in the way of my family.

unreggd

Are the hospital responsible for giving people their 'last rites' or whatever its called?

I always assumed they ask you in relation to your treatment, as mentioned, things like blood transfusions, and also the food they give you, so its veggie/kosher/halal etc

dmw07

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Or to make sure that you're not a Jehovah's witness or something and can't get blood transfusions or anaesthesia.

I got as far as "Or to make sure that you're not a Jehovah's witness or something" and thought...Fair enough in my view.

dmw07

Being asked what religion i am when at hospital, i am used to. My usual answer is it's ok he knows i'm here. No need to pray.

But priests walking around talking to people. Foreign to me. And i've spent a few week long stints in three different hospitals. I thought priests only visited on request by the family?

Anyway, I've a different story that made my day in a hospital. It was Adelaide and Meath in Tallaght. I was laying on a private room bed (In the woman's section. I ain't a woman, overcrowding is nice...) after the fourth day of testing as doctors could not figure out what exactly was wrong and what happened to me. The symptoms where strange. My lung had collapsed and pushed air into my heart (Which is not very common apparently.) All symptoms pointed to me being very sick. But i passed every test they did on me. My story, which was I was shouldered by two guys at the same time in full motion while playing football was not being believed as it did not fit.

On the last day before i left the hospital as my symptoms had subsided, four specialists came to see me. They had only given counsel on my case and had not being directly involved. I asked why then were they here? They said to Thank me. Many of them had never seen my symptoms before and one was due to retire in the next year or so. That made my day. I was a medical freak that made some scientists day. It still makes me smile.

robindch

dmw07 wrote: »

Many of them had never seen my symptoms before and one was due to retire in the next year or so. That made my day. I was a medical freak that made some scientists day. It still makes me smile.

Four House's in the one hospital?

/sheesh

iguana

A couple of years back my husband was in hospital in London. One night a young priest, from the Philippines, walked into the room and greeted my husband by his very Irish name. "Ah," he said, repeating his name with a big grin, "you'll be a catholic then!"
"No," my husband told him, "I'm not."
His face fell, "Are you sure?"
"Yup."
"But you are Irish?"
"Yes."
"And you really aren't Catholic?"
"No."
The poor priest left the room looking so confused and disappointed that my husband almost felt sorry for his atheism.

terrlobe

despise these posh atheist/agnostic a la carte types... it begs the question what would those that gave their lives for freedom in Ireland think? Like rats jumping ship... only thing is the ship remains afloat... don't get it!

MagicMarker

terrlobe wrote: »

despise these posh atheist/agnostic a la carte types... it begs the question what would those that gave their lives for freedom in Ireland think? Like rats jumping ship... only thing is the ship remains afloat... don't get it!

Congratulations, you've won the ''post that makes the least sense'' award for 2011. You'll be glad to know that this covers all posts on the internet.

D4RK ONION

There's so much wrong with that post, it actually causes me physical pain thinking about how one would reply to it >_<

terrlobe

MagicMarker wrote: »

terrlobe wrote: »

despise these posh atheist/agnostic a la carte types... it begs the question what would those that gave their lives for freedom in Ireland think? Like rats jumping ship... only thing is the ship remains afloat... don't get it!

Congratulations, you've won the ''post that makes the least sense'' award for 2011. You'll be glad to know that this covers all posts on the internet.

Allow me spell it out for you sir: Glib a la carte new age liberals conveniently disregard 2,000 years of Christian cultural identity on this island when ridiculing Catholic Ireland. The legacy of countless rebellions against religious and cultural persecution culminated in Irish independence which only an ignoramus sniffs at. Hence "a la carte": i'll pick and choose atheism because it's cool and the Catholic Church is crap. In reality they got little historical perspective, and their shallowness causes them to dirty their own nest... pitiful!

Sarky

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Turtwig

Hey I don't care, he called us hip and cool. :cool:

The Mad Hatter

And also Christianity has been in Ireland for 2000 years. Who'da thought?

Turtwig

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

And also Christianity has been in Ireland for 2000 years. Who'da thought?

Always knew St. Patrick was a conspiracy by evil corporations to sell shamrocks.

terrlobe

*YAWN*! zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Turtwig

terrlobe wrote: »

*YAWN*! zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

.

terrlobe

Glib a la carte new age liberals conveniently disregard 2,000 years of Christian cultural identity on this island when ridiculing Catholic Ireland. The legacy of countless rebellions against religious and cultural persecution culminated in Irish independence which only an ignoramus sniffs at. Hence "a la carte": i'll pick and choose atheism because it's cool and the Catholic Church is crap. In reality they got little historical perspective, and their shallowness causes them to dirty their own nest... pitiful!

MagicMarker

I see, can you spell it out in English for me while you're at it?

RMD

terrlobe wrote: »

Allow me spell it out for you sir: Glib a la carte new age liberals conveniently disregard 2,000 years of Christian cultural identity on this island when ridiculing Catholic Ireland. The legacy of countless rebellions against religious and cultural persecution culminated in Irish independence which only an ignoramus sniffs at. Hence "a la carte": i'll pick and choose atheism because it's cool and the Catholic Church is crap. In reality they got little historical perspective, and their shallowness causes them to dirty their own nest... pitiful!

Religion isn't cultural identity. I might be an atheist, but I'd confidently say I'm just as "Irish" as yourself even though I'm not a Catholic. I didn't choose Atheism because it's the "cool" thing to do, I chose it because religion in general and their scriptures defy logic. It's cool if you want to stereotype though, I can throw a few your way as well ye?

efb

Maybe he means that we are a less likely to naïvely sacrifice our life for something we don't believe in for the promise of an amazing after life full of riches- cos we know this is all we have?

terrlobe

MagicMarker wrote: »

I see, can you spell it out in English for me while you're at it?

I see, the "a la carte" bit floored you. Though French It has been in English usage since the 15th century.

Delirium

terrlobe wrote: »

Glib a la carte new age liberals conveniently disregard 2,000 years of Christian cultural identity on this island when ridiculing Catholic Ireland. The legacy of countless rebellions against religious and cultural persecution culminated in Irish independence which only an ignoramus sniffs at. Hence "a la carte": i'll pick and choose atheism because it's cool and the Catholic Church is crap. In reality they got little historical perspective, and their shallowness causes them to dirty their own nest... pitiful!

AFAIK, you're off by about 600 years with regards to Christianity and its place in Irish culture.

And being an atheist doesn't mean a person is into new age stuff (which is candles and incense from what I understand about the term), nor does it mean they are a liberal

I hope you see the irony of accusing atheists of trying to be cool when a much larger group of people are members of the RCC purely because it's popular.

efb

If I wanted 1,000 virgins I go to comicom

terrlobe

RMD wrote: »

terrlobe wrote: »

Allow me spell it out for you sir: Glib a la carte new age liberals conveniently disregard 2,000 years of Christian cultural identity on this island when ridiculing Catholic Ireland. The legacy of countless rebellions against religious and cultural persecution culminated in Irish independence which only an ignoramus sniffs at. Hence "a la carte": i'll pick and choose atheism because it's cool and the Catholic Church is crap. In reality they got little historical perspective, and their shallowness causes them to dirty their own nest... pitiful!

Religion isn't cultural identity. I might be an atheist, but I'd confidently say I'm just as "Irish" as yourself even though I'm not a Catholic. I didn't choose Atheism because it's the "cool" thing to do, I chose it because religion in general and their scriptures defy logic. It's cool if you want to stereotype though, I can throw a few your way as well ye?

Wha? Our churches and monasteries don't form the bulk of our prized cultural heritage... visiting tourists might beg to differ. Until very recently we've always been a Catholic nation. More Catholic than almost anywhere else in fact, so you can't gloss over that. The times are a changing and fads will come and go... live and let live.

swampgas

terrlobe wrote: »

Wha? Our churches and monasteries don't form the bulk of our prized cultural heritage... visiting tourists might beg to differ. Until very recently we've always been a Catholic nation. More Catholic than almost anywhere else in fact, so you can't gloss over that. The times are a changing and fads will come and go... live and let live.

So - because Ireland has been mostly catholic for over a thousand years, nobody is allowed to be an atheist? That's your argument?

You do realise that one can appreciate items of cultural heritage without believing in any of their associated religions, don't you? Or do you think you have to believe in the Egyptian gods to appreciate the pyramids?

Delirium

terrlobe wrote: »

Wha? Our churches and monasteries don't form the bulk of our prized cultural heritage... visiting tourists might beg to differ. Until very recently we've always been a Catholic nation. More Catholic than almost anywhere else in fact, so you can't gloss over that. The times are a changing and fads will come and go... live and let live.

That's incorrect, as the earliest settlements in Ireland date back to about 8000 BC. Christianity started to appear in Ireland around 600 AD. So in the history of the country it accounts for less than 20% of the cultural history of the country.

terrlobe

koth wrote: »

terrlobe wrote: »

Wha? Our churches and monasteries don't form the bulk of our prized cultural heritage... visiting tourists might beg to differ. Until very recently we've always been a Catholic nation. More Catholic than almost anywhere else in fact, so you can't gloss over that. The times are a changing and fads will come and go... live and let live.

That's incorrect, as the earliest settlements in Ireland date back to about 8000 BC. Christianity started to appear in Ireland around 600 AD. So in the history of the country it accounts for less than 20% of the cultural history of the country.

How far back do you want to go? To when mammoths or even dinasaurs roamed these parts? Our recorded history coincides with the arrival of Christian missionaries so stop confusing the issue.

FruitLover

terrlobe wrote: »

Glib a la carte new age liberals conveniently disregard 2,000 years of Christian cultural identity on this island when ridiculing Catholic Ireland.
... pitiful!

For thousands of years people believed the earth was flat. Did we 'conveniently disregard' this nonsense when we knew better? You're damn right we did. Yet you seem to think it's appropriate to believe in some dude who apparently lives in the sky because loads of other ill-educated people from bygone eras did because they didn't know any better. And atheists are pitiful? :rolleyes: I'd rather be considered 'shallow' by the likes of you than stuck in the dark ages with you.

efb

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