Bishop Eamon Casey admitted to Nursing Home

celty

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm still struggling to see what he did that was immoral. Sure he lied but he lied in the same way a gay man would have had to have lied to avoid the scorn of the pig headed in society. He had sex and he had a child. There's nothing wrong with that.

A vulnerable American woman going through a divorce came to him for support and they ended up having sex. No big deal, maybe, but he turned his back on her when she got pregnant.

Then he took diocesan money to pay her and the child off. Money that was paid to the church by the likes of my parents. Thousands.

He got caught and was then banished to South America by an international organisation which has since been discovered to protect and harbour paedophiles.

He was a hypocrite, he abused his position by sending money to her, and he covered it all up. His 'crimes' are nothing compared to many of his colleagues in the Catholic Church. It's this rotten organisation which is really to blame .... as others have pointed out, if he was CofI he could have married Annie Murphy and lived happily ever after.

I don't blame him, I blame the church, which tried to make us all feel guilty about our sexuality back in those dark days.

Fuinseog

scholar007 wrote: »

Bishop Eamon Casey has been admitted to a Clare Nursing Home due to ill health.
According to a report in today's Irish Examiner, the former Bishop of Galway, Kilmacdaugh and Kilfenora was admitted last week for respite care.
It's understood the bishop is hoping to return to his home in Shanaglish in Gort as quickly as possible.



http://www.galwaynews.ie/21285-bishop-casey-admitted-clare-nursing-home

I hope Bishop Casey is up and about soon. He is still very much loved and respected in Galway.

I thought the bishop of Kilfenora was the pope?

Fuinseog

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Don't wish any harm on the man, but I have absolutely no respect for him whatsoever. Man lived a lie for a large portion of his life and wouldn't have come clean about his private life if he hadn't been found out.
I have to admit I had a hard time taking him seriously as a man of the cloth, considering his lifestyle, even before his past came back to haunt him.

some would say at least he was not abusing kids.

He was a man of many parts. he stood up to Ronnie Regan when everyone else was brown nosing, which took courage.

great fella for the jokes and all round jovial character.

on the other hand he could be quite demanding. he would go into a restaurant and demand a certain seat, if someone was already seated there he expected them to move.

Fuinseog

I don't blame him, I blame the church, which tried to make us all feel guilty about our sexuality back in those dark days.[/QUOTE]

I lived through those dark days of suppression and gulags, where the church reigned through fear and terror and opponents were locked away, but I never was made feel guilty about my sexuality.
I can never remember a priest telling me that sex was dirty. Truly, I had a deprived Catholic childhood.

Fuinseog

realdanbreen wrote: »

While all sane people would condemn the 'child rapists' as you call them, its worst bearing in mind that 90% of abuse takes place in the family home.

You are not allowed to say that. secular society does not like to hear it. Apparently, only priests can be paedos.

flutered

realdanbreen wrote: »

I never met the man but I am aware of the incredible work he did in London for the Irish who found themselves down on their luck.

got done for drunken driving while he was there, a good example come on .

celty

Fuinseog wrote: »

I don't blame him, I blame the church, which tried to make us all feel guilty about our sexuality back in those dark days.

I lived through those dark days of suppression and gulags, where the church reigned through fear and terror and opponents were locked away, but I never was made feel guilty about my sexuality.
I can never remember a priest telling me that sex was dirty. Truly, I had a deprived Catholic childhood.[/QUOTE]

LOL Fuinseog ... you remind me of the comedian (and I can't remember which one) who said he had a complex about being ugly as a child because he was the only one in his school who the priests didn't hit on!

deman

I really gotta get my eyes checked again. I read...

Bishop Eamon Casey admitted to homing nurse.

maudgonner

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm still struggling to see what he did that was immoral. Sure he lied but he lied in the same way a gay man would have had to have lied to avoid the scorn of the pig headed in society. He had sex and he had a child. There's nothing wrong with that.

The problem that I have with him is his hypocrisy. As a bishop he held one of the highest positions of authority in the Irish RC church. The church at that time was vociferous in its teachings that sex outside marriage is wrong and that anybody that indulges in it are committing a serious sin and should be ashamed. It caused many, many young girls to be shamed to the point of condemnation. An unmarried friend of mine who had a baby in the late 90s was refused permission to have him baptised in her local church (and the priest later refused to marry her and the baby's father). As a bishop he was a symbol of all that, while getting Annie Murphy pregnant on the sly.

The attitude of the Church was "one rule for us, another for them". Somebody earlier in the thread mentioned "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and it seems to me that nobody was casting more stones than priests and bishops, Casey included.

ErnieBert

JustMary wrote: »

"Elderly Galway man admitted to nursing home in Clare" ... it's hardly news.

He's a Kerryman. For that, we should assassinate him

ScumLord

celty wrote: »

I can never remember a priest telling me that sex was dirty. Truly, I had a deprived Catholic childhood.

Sex outside of marriage is a sin, they think you should burn in eternal damnation for sinning. It's kind of implied that sex is also dirty when they say that.

Fuinseog

ScumLord wrote: »

Sex outside of marriage is a sin, they think you should burn in eternal damnation for sinning. It's kind of implied that sex is also dirty when they say that.

you must be going back a while there. these days the church discusses porn amongst other things

Mrs OBumble

maudgonner wrote: »

The attitude of the Church was "one rule for us, another for them". Somebody earlier in the thread mentioned "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and it seems to me that nobody was casting more stones than priests and bishops, Casey included.

The problem I have with a lot of the statements in this thread is that they ignore the fact that the "Church" is firstly the people-of-God: IMHO the lay people who continued to fund and defer to priests and religious who were abusive (of vulnerable people, or just of their positions) are just as guilty.

And while I might believe that some people were too ignorant to know better in the 1970s, I just don't buy it come the 1980 and 1990s: quite enough people had travelled, seen other ways of doing things, and learned about Catholic social teaching to know better.

I don't actually have a problem with his use of Church money - because it was given without any sense of accountability anyway.

I do have a problem with his so-called consenting sexual relationship: NO social care worker should ever get into a sexualised relationship with a person who they have a professional involvement with. And just because he fell in love with her doesn't mean he had to do anything about it.

All that said, I do home he's a comfortable and well cared for as he can be, no matter what his previous behaviours were.

InchicoreDude

Saw doctors wrote a good song about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9ehTOb1mI

celty

JustMary wrote: »

I don't actually have a problem with his use of Church money - because it was given without any sense of accountability anyway.

So you think it's fine that ordinary decent Catholics paid money into those boxes they pass around at Church ... and it ended up, slyly and secrety, funding the woman and child he was so embarrassed about over in the USA.

Incredible.

Sure, it's fine then for bankers to pay themselves massive bonuses, because we don't pay our mortages "with any sense of accountability".

Or for Michael Lowry to build a huge extension to his house, or Charlie Haughey to rip off the country, or Bertie Ahern, etc, because we didn't know what we were paying our taxes for.

Bishop Casey was a hypocrite, lecturing people about how to live while not playing by the same rules himself. And the fact that he ripped off Church money paid for by ordinary people makes me sick. But, then again, the whole Catholic Church makes me sick and not just Bishop Casey.

ScumLord

celty wrote: »

So you think it's fine that ordinary decent Catholics paid money into those boxes they pass around at Church ... and it ended up, slyly and secrety, funding the woman and child he was so embarrassed about over in the USA.

Incredible.

Sure, it's fine then for bankers to pay themselves massive bonuses, because we don't pay our mortages "with any sense of accountability".

Not really the same thing, your paying the bank for services there's a contract there, Catholics just give they're money to the church, there's no contract or agreement they can do whatever they like with the money, technically.

fergiesfolly

Whilst there isn't a contractual agreement between the church and its congregation about how the money will be spent, the priest will usually mention the outgoings of the church coffers.
I have no recollection of any "I've gotten my housekeeper up the duff" fund and can't imagine too many people would have been happy to donate to one.

celty

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Whilst there isn't a contractual agreement between the church and its congregation about how the money will be spent, the priest will usually mention the outgoings of the church coffers.
I have no recollection of any "I've gotten my housekeeper up the duff" fund and can't imagine too many people would have been happy to donate to one.

Can you imagine Galway Cathedral of a Sunday morning in the 1980s.

"And today, now, we are collecting for poor Bishop Casey, who got into a bit of bother with an American lady and needs to send her some money ... But please don't tell the media and remember that it is a good cause.

And, don't worry, next week we will go back to paying the church restoration fund, or whenver we've managed to collect €200,000 for our beloved Bishop."

I'd imagine there might have been just one or two raised eyebrows in the congregation.

thesandeman

He is the cause of my birth as well.








He introduced my parents to each other at some club he was involved in in London.

He also ended up christening me and strangly enough confirming me as well (stalker).

Im an atheist for years with no love for the church but as a person I think the social work he did in London, South America etc far outweighs the mistakes he made.
Nobodys Perfect.

beeintheknow

thesandeman wrote: »

He is the cause of my birth as well.

Before I did not love or respect him.

Now I HATE him.

dilallio

At the time the story broke, Bishop Casey was the patron of Trocaire, and it was funds from Trocaire rather than Diocesan Funds which were questioned at the time. I would imagine in those days and possibly today, nobody would question a bishop when it came to the use of Diocesan Funds.

Some or all of the money (around 60,000 Pounds) was repaid to Trocaire by a close friend of the bishop shortly afterwards while he was in South America.

In another time & place, I could see him becoming one of those wealthy TV evangelist preachers.

Off-topic (apologies), but 1992 was a very strange year where many skeletons started coming out of the closet.

Ben Dunne was arrested in Florida on drugs charges, Sean Doherty went on the 'Nighthawks' tv program, and implicated Charlie Haughey in a phone-tapping scandel, and then we had the Bishop Casey saga.

All of a sudden people who were previously looked-up-to by many, were exposed in a variety of scandals which ultimately lead to their demise.

anushka

I have not gone to church for years now Icant forgive them for what they allowed to happen to children. I wish no ill will to Eamon Casey BUT when he joined the Priesthood he knew he would promise a life of celibacy, if in the course of his life he changed his mind, he should have done the honourable thing and left the priesthood. Seems to me he wanted to have his cake and eat it. I will leave that between him and his maker.

deanswift

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Don't wish any harm on the man, but I have absolutely no respect for him whatsoever. Man lived a lie for a large portion of his life and wouldn't have come clean about his private life if he hadn't been found out.
I have to admit I had a hard time taking him seriously as a man of the cloth, considering his lifestyle, even before his past came back to haunt him.

yup
the man lived a lie, and was found out.
as a result he lost respect.
No more double standards please!

The Brigadier

He was my parish priest for a while here in England.

thesandeman

The Brigadier wrote: »

He was my parish priest for a while here in England.

You were probably at my christening so :-o

tfitzgerald

I think he was a good man he mad some mistakes who hasn't . He deserves a break

Mrs OBumble

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Whilst there isn't a contractual agreement between the church and its congregation about how the money will be spent, the priest will usually mention the outgoings of the church coffers.
I have no recollection of any "I've gotten my housekeeper up the duff" fund and can't imagine too many people would have been happy to donate to one.

Really? My understanding (based on various conversations) is that quite a few Irish priests of that era had live in house-keepers, who just happened to move parishes with them. Yet another case of lay people turning a blind eye when they shouldn't have.

I'm still Catholic. In four years here, I've never yet seen a set of printed accounts for any parish - which is most certainly what I do expect to see printed and distributed.

cats.life

Spacedog wrote: »

Might I remind you all what this man did,

He has sex with a WOMAN and covered up for years!
He stuck his penis right in her vagina for Christs sake!

This man is evil to the core and deserves no sympathy from any of our child abuse limited liability tax paying asses.

oh for heavens sake this is not porn, ok he was a man of the cloth, she a woman their emotions got the better of them and nine months later a boy was born, im sure there are more worse secrets out there that we will never know. hope he will be ok..

deanswift

tfitzgerald wrote: »

I think he was a good man he mad some mistakes who hasn't . He deserves a break

trouble with this thinking is there were many unwed mothers (they were good women who made mistakes) in the ireland of the recent past who ended up in the infamous magdelen launderies and were mistreated by the religious orders..............don't think they got much of a break...........
...............or the children entrusted to the care of the irish christian brothers in Artane for example..............don't think they got much of a break.....................both eamonn casey and michael cleary did a lot of preaching and failed to deliver.................no more double standards please................

Destroyer666

No respect for the man should have spoken out. But in fairness if the Irish media were more persistent in talking on the real scandal and put more effort talking on the Vatican and the kiddie fiddlers they continue to shelter from the law they would be of a lot more use.