Yes. Another religion thread. For Catholics and others.

Cú Giobach

Eriu79 wrote: »

Believe as you may.

Which I won't.
Had you mentioned this alleged abuse to someone over the 3 year period :rolleyes: the teacher involved would have been disciplined (at the very least).
Had you said the 60's yes, believable. The 90's? No way.

desertcircus

A la carte Catholicism is fine with me. If you don't think Mary was a virgin and you don't think that the wafer literally becomes human flesh, then fine. If you try to claim that the rest of us should bow to a particular law because we're a Catholic country, then no. You don't get to pick and choose what you like from the RCC without granting the rest of us the same right. If you don't think Mary was a virgin, you cannot use a biblical or theological justification for banning gay marriage or extramarital sex.

And on the question of the blasphemy law: nobody thinks that was really about compliance with the Constitution. The Supreme Court judgment which pointed out that blasphemy wasn't defined was made in 1999; it took until May 2009, when Dermot Ahern was courting the conservative wing of FF for a future leadership challenge, for Fianna Fail to bother doing anything about it. There has been one blasphemy case in the history of the State, and following that it took TEN YEARS for the government to do a thing about it - FF being the majority party of government for the entirety of that time. Not to mention the fact that the act itself could and probably would be found unconstitutional in its definition of what constitutes blasphemy.

RustyNut

desertcircus wrote: »

A la carte Catholicism is fine with me. If you don't think Mary was a virgin and you don't think that the wafer literally becomes human flesh, then fine. If you try to claim that the rest of us should bow to a particular law because we're a Catholic country, then no. You don't get to pick and choose what you like from the RCC without granting the rest of us the same right. If you don't think Mary was a virgin, you cannot use a biblical or theological justification for banning gay marriage or extramarital sex.

And on the question of the blasphemy law: nobody thinks that was really about compliance with the Constitution. The Supreme Court judgment which pointed out that blasphemy wasn't defined was made in 1999; it took until May 2009, when Dermot Ahern was courting the conservative wing of FF for a future leadership challenge, for Fianna Fail to bother doing anything about it. There has been one blasphemy case in the history of the State, and following that it took TEN YEARS for the government to do a thing about it - FF being the majority party of government for the entirety of that time. Not to mention the fact that the act itself could and probably would be found unconstitutional in its definition of what constitutes blasphemy.

In relation to the blasphemy law does that mean that if I was to say Jesus was a paedo or buddah is a fat bo#*ox or Allah is the supreme being (afraid of an owl fatwah so won't say anything bad about this fictional character) I would be breaking the law?

Blackhorse Slim

Eriu79 wrote: »

Not a chance I could live here, I was brought up Atheist, I was in a non-denominational primary school but went to a regular joe secondary and took some ****ing slack over it after my first week in religion class where I was asked to draw God, I handed up a blank sheet of paper, the class was told that I worshiped the devil and I was made kneel in the hall facing the wall during that class for the next 3 years... and this was in the early 90s -_-

I went to a "Community" (nominally Catholic) secondary school back in the 80s. There was a Catholic chaplain at the school, but my religion teacher was an atheist. Guess I was just lucky.

Knight who says Meh

So in this much stated "Catholic Country" only one person has said that they would be capable of living true to the Catholic faith 100%.
Odd that.;)

Icyseanfitz

i like having some semblance of freedom so no

LeeHoffmann

Not a genuine answer to a straight forward question as of yet.
Where are all the folk who tick "Catholic' on the census?
Im waiting for an answer as well

I ticked Catholic. I had some weird reasoning that night - maybe the OH slipped something in my dinner - but I became somewhat paranoid thinking 'if there are no Catholics in the country, they might take away all our holiday holy days' :eek:
In my defence, I have lived in Bavaria, which has more holidays than any other German state because it is THE catholic one in a mainly Protestant country (apart from all the Muslim Turks, that is).

Anyway, no of course I wouldn't want to live in a country in which Catholic law was strictly enforced. Apart from the obvious -repression all round - you couldn't change the rules or elect the leaders

Ghost Buster

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I ticked Catholic. I had some weird reasoning that night - maybe the OH slipped something in my dinner - but I became somewhat paranoid thinking 'if there are no Catholics in the country, they might take away all our holiday holy days' :eek:
In my defence, I have lived in Bavaria, which has more holidays than any other German state because it is THE catholic one in a mainly Protestant country (apart from all the Muslim Turks, that is).

Anyway, no of course I wouldn't want to live in a country in which Catholic law was strictly enforced. Apart from the obvious -repression all round - you couldn't change the rules or elect the leaders

Thanks ..HOWEVER!
The question is , other rights and sensitivities aside, COULD YOU (if you consider yourself Catholic) live by a strict enforcing of the catholic rules and regulation?

emul8ter25

This is all rubbish anyways. Soon Ireland will be a country of atheists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

Immaculate Pasta

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Could you as a catholic follow "Catholic law"?
A total ban on the sale and use of contraception
A total ban on the sale and consumption of meat on Fridays
Some form of legal sanction against those found pregnant outside of marriage.
Homosexuality illegal and punishable by law.
Enforced attendance at mass on Sundays.

Im sure you get the picture.
So. Could you?

Yes I could quite easily. I'm male, vegetarian, straight, single (and not getting any :eek:). Only have to start going to mass again on Sundays which isn't that bad. Simple

LeeHoffmann

The question is , other rights and sensitivities aside, COULD YOU (if you consider yourself Catholic) live by a strict enforcing of the catholic rules and regulation?

I've answered this question I think...unless could I = would I survive? I thought you mean 'could you?' as in 'would you want to?'

Biggins

emul8ter25 wrote: »

This is all rubbish anyways. Soon Ireland will be a country of atheists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

If we keep paying for Rome and their disgusting antics - 50 million is the latest bill - the sooner it happens, the better!

50 Million bill details: http://www.thejournal.ie/state-to-pay-e50-million-in-legal-fees-for-religious-orders-221321-Sep2011/

emul8ter25

Biggins wrote: »

If we keep paying for Rome and their disgusting antics - 50 million is the latest bill - the sooner it happens, the better!

50 Million bill details: http://www.thejournal.ie/state-to-pay-e50-million-in-legal-fees-for-religious-orders-221321-Sep2011/

holy cow. i think a commenter from that article said it best.

"What a country. The Priests screw the children and the lawyers screw the State. Why not send an invoice to the Vatican Bank?"