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Zillah · 06-09-2011 4:10am

God I hate Ryan Tubridy. He sounds like a school boy trying to talk with the grownups.

EDIT: Ok, he does a lot better later. That fella with the beard is insufferable.
lol, Robin, 20:03, the forbidden word.

Galvasean · 08-09-2011 3:12pm

Apparently the viewing figures plummeted in that episode.

Wakey wakey..........

AhSureTisGrand · 08-09-2011 3:46pm

recedite wrote: »

I think the trinity is supposed to be 3 separate entities with one job, as opposed to one person with 3 jobs, but lets not go there......

One person with dissociative identity disorder is my understanding

robindch · 08-09-2011 10:22pm

This showed up before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEu07RzZgbU

WesternNight · 08-09-2011 10:38pm

^ That last joke fell a bit flat!

johnners2981 · 08-09-2011 10:52pm

AAAAAHHHH. Get so frustrated with catholics, i want a secular Ireland. Please

CerebralCortex · 08-09-2011 11:27pm

CerebralCortex is depressed by the behaviour of retarded Catholics!

robindch · 09-09-2011 9:04am

Looks like the two people who opened up the section on the Late Late last week are going ahead with that action against the school they mentioned at the end. The IT only mentions that the action is "constitutional", so I'm assuming that the basis will be Article 44.2.4 about the fundamental right of the parent to direct the religious education of the child.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0909/1224303759170.html

Irish Times wrote:

Though he was exempted from formal religious instruction, which was held from 12pm to 12.25pm daily, the parents maintain religion was so integral to the school it was impossible to avoid informal instruction in Catholic doctrine.

“What became apparent to us is that there was so much religious instruction going on. We wrote to Batt O’Keeffe [then minister for education] to say that we did not know how much time was left over for instruction in anything else,” Ms Carey-Zuniga said.

cavedave · 09-09-2011 9:14am

Parents suing over teaching of religion being unreasonable, says school board. Apologies if this is posted elsewhere. I could not find it.

It also stated those who wished their children to opt out of formal religious instruction must agree to make “alternative arrangements to supervise their children”.

Mr Kiernan said they are not atheists and do not have a problem with the teaching of religions academically, but they objected to their child being instructed in a faith that they did not believe in.

robindch · 09-09-2011 9:26am

^^^ Moved cavedave's post. Perhaps it's time for a 'religion and schools' sticky?

Dades · 09-09-2011 9:28am

That'll be the biggest sticky EVA.

Galvasean · 09-09-2011 11:36am

Dades wrote: »

That'll be the biggest sticky EVA.

Intentional innuendo? :pac:

FetchTheGin · 09-09-2011 11:57am

Even though the parents clearly stated to the rake disguised as a bloke Tubridy, that the school said "IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM", Tubridy came up with gems as "its a catholic school it is going to happen". I hope this ****ers viewing figures continue to plummet and he ****s off.

seamus · 09-09-2011 12:06pm

I can't help but think that the couple would have received more support on the late late if they appeared less like outsiders. Middle Ireland can be quite insular, and many people will just see an older man with a younger, hippy-ish American wife, trying to stir the pot and demand that "we Irish" change to suit them.

I wonder would there have been a totally different reception if it was 30-something farmers Barry and Mary from Kiltimaugh putting their case forward on the late late.

Galvasean · 09-09-2011 12:33pm

seamus wrote: »

I can't help but think that the couple would have received more support on the late late if they appeared less like outsiders. Middle Ireland can be quite insular, and many people will just see an older man with a younger, hippy-ish American wife, trying to stir the pot and demand that "we Irish" change to suit them.

I wonder would there have been a totally different reception if it was 30-something farmers Barry and Mary from Kiltimaugh putting their case forward on the late late.

Definitely. I recall not long ago my parents were having a moan about foreigners coming over here and demanding we change the school system for them. I pointed out that me being non-religious is it fair that the schools discriminate against my (hypothetical) 100% Irish kids based on me (and my hypothetical wife) not being Catholic. Their tune changed very quickly.
When it's Irish people having a go at a very flawed Irish system that's well and good, but if Johnny Foreigner does the same watch the xenophobic Irish rally against them!

robindch · 09-09-2011 1:47pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Their tune changed very quickly.

Lucky you. On telling one elderly relative about discrimination in Irish schools against the kids of atheists, she just smiled superciliously and shrugged her shoulders.

Galvasean · 09-09-2011 1:53pm

robindch wrote: »

Lucky you. On telling one elderly relative about discrimination in Irish schools against the kids of atheists, she just smiled superciliously and shrugged her shoulders.

Oh, THAT one.

Dirk Gently · 13-09-2011 5:32pm

Just seen on the news there tonight that this couples home was burnt down today. Nobody was home at the time. It will be interesting to see if it was arson or not.

robindch · 13-09-2011 11:45pm

Dirk Gently wrote: »

[...] this couples home was burnt down today.

That story here:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0913/wicklow.html

And the constitutional challenge here.

Galvasean · 13-09-2011 11:46pm

I am sickened. How can stuff like this happen in the 21st century?

MagicMarker · 14-09-2011 6:58am

Galvasean wrote: »

I am sickened. How can stuff like this happen in the 21st century?

I know! No one should be living in a house THAT small!!

ravendude · 14-09-2011 8:26am

Given the circumstances, one has to strongly suspect arson.
It's absolutely disgusting. It makes me ashamed to be Irish.

I hope this disgraceful event will make them more resolute in their action.

Penn · 14-09-2011 8:33am

F*cking hell....

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Dades · 14-09-2011 9:43am

Methinks I'll reserve judgement until they find out what caused it.

Penn · 14-09-2011 10:07am

Dades wrote: »

Methinks I'll reserve judgement until they find out what caused it.

Pah! That's just timewasting!

*grabs torch and pitchfork*

C'MON! WHO'S WITH ME! DUNNO WHERE WE'RE GOING BUT I'LL KNOW WHEN I GET THERE!

Galvasean · 14-09-2011 2:33pm

Barrington wrote: »

Pah! That's just timewasting!

*grabs torch and pitchfork*

C'MON! WHO'S WITH ME! DUNNO WHERE WE'RE GOING BUT I'LL KNOW WHEN I GET THERE!

Quick, they're heading to the old mill!

Boulevardier · 14-09-2011 2:42pm

That pair from Blessington on the Late late show had views which I would rate as little better than those of the conservative catholics.

Both sets of people seem happy with having a system of separate schools for separate religious groups, plus a few more added on for the non-religious. So, unfortunately, does Ruari Quinn.

I would like to see one set of schools where everyone, yes everyone, is educated together. Nothing annoys me more than children who live next door to each other being hauled off to different schools each morning because of religious doctrine or, worst of all, religious "ethos."

Galvasean · 14-09-2011 2:46pm

Boulevardier wrote: »

I would like to see one set of schools where everyone, yes everyone, is educated together.

Educate Together?

[-0-] · 14-09-2011 3:13pm

If this was arson then I'm ****ing glad I left Ireland.

Sickening to the core. Thankfully nobody was home and I hope this only strenghens their cause.

We need a revolution!

Boulevardier · 14-09-2011 3:21pm

Galvasean, nobody on the Late late advocated everyone being educated together. Everyone agreed that there should stil be Catholic etc. schools. I am saying I do not agree with that.

seamus · 14-09-2011 3:23pm

There should still be Catholic schools. But it should be the case that Catholic people choose to send their kids there and they pay to do so. Public funds should fund secular schools.

Knasher · 14-09-2011 5:13pm

seamus wrote: »

There should still be Catholic schools. But it should be the case that Catholic people choose to send their kids there and they pay to do so. Public funds should fund secular schools.

While I don't disagree in principle, in practice I'd have two issues with it.

Realistically speaking, getting parents who want the school system to preform religious indoctrination, to fund secular schools through their taxes and then refuse funding towards schools which conform to their ethos is never going to be accepted.

What I find objectionable about religious schools in general though, is that I don't see how they could be set up to allow discrimination on religious grounds and not end up like the schools in England such that they are "better" schools on virtue of the fact they exclude trouble maker kids who don't match their ethos.

Monty. · 14-09-2011 5:34pm

seamus wrote: »

There should still be Catholic schools. But it should be the case that Catholic people choose to send their kids there and they pay to do so.

Catholic schools are entitled to the same funding as any other denomination or philosophy.

Newaglish · 14-09-2011 6:16pm

Monty. wrote: »

Catholic schools are entitled to the same funding as any other denomination or philosophy.

Yes, but this should really be zero. For all the denominations. That's kind of the point.

Monty. · 14-09-2011 6:20pm

Newaglish wrote: »

Yes, but this should really be zero. For all the denominations. That's kind of the point.

So unless they teach a belief/philosophy you agree with, they should not be entitled to funding. Ok no Protestant, Jewish, educate together schools then so, just the atheist philosophy ? This of course contradicts a truly secular state, which is not supposed to favour one belief over another.

Delirium · 14-09-2011 6:24pm

Monty. wrote: »

So unless they teach a belief/philosophy you agree with, they should not be entitled to funding. Ok no Protestant, Jewish, educate together schools then so, just the atheist philosophy ? This of course contradicts a truly secular state, which is not supposed to favour one belief over another.

Someone proposes a secular school system and you somehow manage to twist that into being a contradiction of a secular state?

MagicMarker · 14-09-2011 6:25pm

Monty. wrote: »

So unless they teach a belief/philosophy you agree with, they should not be entitled to funding. Ok no Protestant, Jewish, educate together schools then so, just the atheist philosophy ? This of course contradicts a truly secular state, which is not supposed to favour one belief over another.

A secular society means a separation of the church and state. The state should not be funding the indoctrination of children, it's really as simple as that.

Monty. · 14-09-2011 6:28pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

A secular society means a separation of the church and state. The state should not be funding the indoctrination of children, it's really as simple as that.

Just as long as they are indoctrinated in line with your belief/philosophy instead.

State atheism has been tried and failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

MagicMarker · 14-09-2011 6:30pm

Monty. wrote: »

Just as long as they are indoctrinated in line with your belief/philosophy instead.

State atheism has been tried and failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

Tell me, what is my belief/philosophy?

Delirium · 14-09-2011 6:31pm

Monty. wrote: »

Just as long as they are indoctrinated in line with your belief/philosophy instead.

State atheism has been tried and failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

No one has suggested state atheism

Monty. · 14-09-2011 6:33pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Tell me, what is my belief/philosophy?

Anything that restricts a Catholic parents and schools right to teach Catholic Children their own religion in their own schools, including access to the same funding, yet permits the indoctrination of, and funding of, another philosophy instead.

Dave! · 14-09-2011 6:38pm

Monty. wrote: »

So unless they teach a belief/philosophy you agree with, they should not be entitled to funding. Ok no Protestant, Jewish, educate together schools then so, just the atheist philosophy ? This of course contradicts a truly secular state, which is not supposed to favour one belief over another.

No -- unless they teach no religious beliefs

Save it for the Churches, churchie!

MagicMarker · 14-09-2011 6:38pm

Monty. wrote: »

Anything that restricts a Catholic parents and schools right to teach Catholic Children their own religion in their own schools, including access to the same funding, yet permits the indoctrination of, and funding of, another philosophy instead.

Damn right, what about all those Fine Gael children? Where are their schools? And what about Marxist children? Don't they deserve equal funding for their schools?

eoin5 · 14-09-2011 6:54pm

MagicMarker wrote:

Tell me, what is my belief/philosophy?

Monty. wrote: »

Anything that restricts a Catholic parents and schools right to teach Catholic Children their own religion in their own schools, including access to the same funding as any other philosophy.

If that's a philosophy then what else would be? Hmm

"Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood"?

"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
Catch a baby by the toe.
If it wiggles let it/him go,
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe"?

Should adherents to these beliefs be represented with their own schools too? You're just trying to bend words (badly) so that non-denominational or multi-denominational schools end up in the same league as religious ones so you can justify state spending on them. It looks like you're struggling to affirm your own belief by drawing lines in the sand so you can say -> "well that's a philosophy too".

You even brought up state atheism...

Monty. · 14-09-2011 6:59pm

Dave! wrote: »

No -- unless they teach no religious beliefs

In other words as long as they indoctrinate them in the atheist ethos instead.

Dave! wrote: »

Save it for the Churches, churchie!

Aint freedom of speech a bitch eh ?

Monty. · 14-09-2011 7:00pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Damn right, what about all those Fine Gael children? Where are their schools? And what about Marxist children? Don't they deserve equal funding for their schools?

I know FF/FG would like to be state recognised religions, but they are not there yet.

Monty. · 14-09-2011 7:03pm

eoin5 wrote: »

non-denominational or multi-denominational schools end up in the same league as religious ones

Like it or not they are :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-denominational_Christianity

Knasher · 14-09-2011 7:06pm

Monty. wrote: »

In other words as long as they indoctrinate them in the atheist ethos instead.

There is a difference between secularism in schools (i.e. not teaching for or against any religion) and atheism in schools (i.e. teaching kids that religions are fairy tails). Everybody else is arguing about the first, you are arguing against the second.

dvpower · 14-09-2011 7:07pm

Monty. wrote: »

I know FF/FG would like to be state recognised religions, but they are not there yet.

... and nor is atheism.

Newaglish · 14-09-2011 7:09pm

Monty. wrote: »

In other words as long as they indoctrinate them in the atheist ethos instead.

Not indoctrinating children into a religion is not the same thing as teaching them to be atheists.

You understand the difference between atheism and secularism, right? Because it really seems like you don't.

If someone wanted to set up an atheist school and teach kids that there is no God and religion is a load of nonsense and essentially a comfort blanket for the unintelligent in society - I'd be against that too. Nobody wants this.

All we're saying is that if you want your kid to learn how many Our Fathers they need to say whenever they do something wrong, teach it to them in Church, or after school lessons or something like that. The State shouldn't be doing it for you, particularly in such a sectarian and exclusionary manner as is the case at the moment. Dividing kids into schools at the age of 3 based on their "religion"? These kids can't even spell religion. Most of them still piss their pants regularly.

If you were a proper Catholic, you'd be all over the opportunity to teach your kids about the wonder and importance of Jesus and you'd be happy to do it on your own time.

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