Celtic reinstated to Europa League

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I'm waiting for a direct quote from a celtic source???

None in there but when the bid for Jelavic first broke it was an agent that broke it not Rangers as it was with Celtic well a third party

noodler

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

It is a strange point to make and invariably it is always in retort to the even stranger 'Celtic wouldn't last in the EPL' point which gets regularly thrown about here.

You quite simply compare the team Celtic have right now to the teams in the SPL.

I think Celtic would be involved in a relegation battle or perhaps a little higher (but still in the bottom half).

TheBuilder

noodler wrote: »

What team from a poorer league wouldn't?

If Shamrock Rovers joined the EPL tomorrow they'd see a massive increase in their revenue or TNS.

Always found that a strange point to make.

Its not just about the turnover, if either of the Old Firm joined the EPL tomorrow they would be able to attract a far higher calibre of player than Shamrock Rovers or TNS would due to the history and fanbase of the clubs, they're known worldwide and if they could afford it i'm sure many of the better players would jump at the chance to play for them in the EPL.

noodler

TheBuilder wrote: »

Its not just about the turnover, if either of the Old Firm joined the EPL tomorrow they would be able to attract a far higher calibre of player than Shamrock Rovers or TNS would due to the history and fanbase of the clubs, they're known worldwide and if they could afford it i'm sure many of the better players would jump at the chance to play for them in the EPL.

Maybe?

I think Shamrock Rovers or TNS would be able to attract a much higher cailbre of player if they were in the EPL and recieving that kind of EPL money.

The overall point remains the same though - it is a completely hypothetical argument and you just can't move your team.

A Dub in Glasgo

noodler wrote: »

You quite simply compare the team Celtic have right now to the teams in the SPL.

I think Celtic would be involved in a relegation battle or perhaps a little higher (but still in the bottom half).

That does not make sense

Anyhow, here is the thread I think you are after
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70765760

TheBuilder

noodler wrote: »

Maybe?

I think Shamrock Rovers or TNS would be able to attract a much higher cailbre of player if they were in the EPL and recieving that kind of EPL money.

The overall point remains the same though - it is a completely hypothetical argument and you just can't move your team.

There's no maybe about it, put it this way, if a player had to choose to play in the EPL between Rangers/Shamrock Rovers or Celtic/Shamrock Rovers there is only one winner. That, is the point, if the OF were in the EPL they would not struggle.

noodler

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

It is a strange point to make and invariably it is always in retort to the even stranger 'Celtic wouldn't last in the EPL' point which gets regularly thrown about here.

noodler wrote: »

You quite simply compare the team Celtic have right now to the teams in the SPL.

I think Celtic would be involved in a relegation battle or perhaps a little higher (but still in the bottom half).

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

That does not make sense

Hmm? What doesn't make sense?

When people say Celtic wouldn't last in the EPL they are judging the quality of the current Celtic team compared to the current quality of EPL teams.

So what does not make sense?

noodler

TheBuilder wrote: »

There's no maybe about it, put it this way, if a player had to choose to play in the EPL between Rangers/Shamrock Rovers or Celtic/Shamrock Rovers there is only one winner. That, is the point, if the OF were in the EPL they would not struggle.

You are only talking about degrees now.

Your point that Celtic would attract better players than they currently do with the prestige and money that the EPL brings is also true for other teams in lesser leagues.

A Dub in Glasgo

You quite simply compare the team Celtic have right now to the teams in the SPL.

I think Celtic would be involved in a relegation battle or perhaps a little higher (but still in the bottom half).

noodler wrote: »

So what does not make sense?

The bit in bold

noodler

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The bit in bold

Hah okay.

So the current Celtic team in the EPL would finish where in your opinion?

A Dub in Glasgo

They would struggle to get out of the bottom half but as stated in the other thread, it is irrational to even compare as the circumstances are totally and utterly different.

noodler

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

They would struggle to get out of the bottom half but as stated in the other thread, it is irrational to even compare as the circumstances are totally and utterly different.

Well I think it is pointless arguing what Celtic would be like if they had EPL money but we compare teams in different leagues all the time.

Anyway, you don't think they would finish top 6 or anything so thats fine.

A Dub in Glasgo

As stated on the previous page, people who say that Celtic will get a huge increase in money if in the EPL is always a retort to those who compare the current Celtic team to that of a typical current EPL team. You have just argued for the latter whilst stating the former is a pointless.

noodler

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

As stated on the previous page, people who say that Celtic will get a huge increase in money if in the EPL is always a retort to those who compare the current Celtic team to that of a typical current EPL team. You have just argued for the latter whilst stating the former is a pointless.

I don't know about that - it was just a personal opinion based on my percieved quality of the current Celtic team against the current quality of the EPL. I am well placed to make that kind of judgement.

I am not, of course, well placed to look into a crystal ball and see how Celtic would fair if they had more money and were placed in the EPL.

Dempsey

Everytime there is a Celtic thread.

LOI vs SPL
EPL vs Celtic
The World vs Celtic :rolleyes:

This thread is about Sion cheating in European Competition and their punishment, any chance it stay about that?

Plenty of other threads that actually discuss the above arguments, bump one of them if you want to those topics. I'm sure that people have made their opinions known in those threads but are using this thread as an opportunity to 'have a go'.

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

Everytime there is a Celtic thread.

LOI vs SPL
EPL vs Celtic
The World vs Celtic :rolleyes:

This thread is about Sion cheating in European Competition and their punishment, any chance it stay about that?

Plenty of other threads that actually discuss the above arguments, bump one of them if you want to those topics. I'm sure that people have made their opinions known in those threads but are using this thread as an opportunity to 'have a go'.

You forgot one other... the twonks who come on to remind us all that Celtic are a British team, because we all of course think they are Irish and need to be reminded they are not.

I'm always forgetting they are not Irish.

Dempsey

PauloMN wrote: »

You forgot one other... the twonks who come on to remind us all that Celtic are a British team, because we all of course think they are Irish and need to be reminded they are not.

I'm always forgetting they are not Irish.

They all but said that if Sion get thrown out, it should be an EPL club to replace them because it should be a more 'deserving' team that plays in the competition! :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14754447.stm

Christian Constantin wrote:

Sion president Christian Constantin told Radio Television Suisse: "Play continues on Monday.

"We will use a civil court to be tried by true justice. There I hope we will have more luck."

Earlier in the week, Constantin had been confident of preserving his club's place in the competition.

"The bottom line is that we are in the right," he told BBC Scotland. "There's no doubt.

"It's just that there are cases where Fifa want to take unilateral decisions by force rather than by just means.

"Uefa approved the list of players we submitted, but now, because of pressure from Fifa, they're trying to find justification for making us forfeit the tie.

"We will battle fiercely to avoid losing the case. Fifa may try to mask the facts, but that won't be easy."

What is the point of going to a civil court, again, when the ruling is not recognised by UEFA/CAS/FIFA or have any bearing on legal proceedings with UEFA/CAS/FIFA.

What precedent does he see that everyone else has missed?

ColeTrain

I think it's more or less settled we're in it.

Looking forward to see how the team will do against top quality opposition. We will struggle to get out of the group but it would be great to have a couple of good European nights at CP again.

stovelid

Dempsey wrote: »

Everytime there is a Celtic thread.

LOI vs SPL
EPL vs Celtic
The World vs Celtic :rolleyes:
Loads of people with bhoy in their user names thanking each other by rote

Fixed

Dempsey

stovelid wrote: »

Fixed

Epic fail tbh, only one person with bhoy in their name thanked the post!

You really cant handle the idea of a foreign club with Irish heritage getting more attention than the whole LOI :pac:

stovelid

Dempsey wrote: »

Epic fail tbh, only one person with bhoy in their name thanked the post!

I was being metaphorical.

Can't the Celtic heads just not work out their inferiority complex about not being in the mega league in their own super thread?

Dempsey wrote: »

You really cant handle the idea of a foreign club with Irish heritage getting more attention than the whole LOI :pac:

LOI clubs are just cool with being actually Irish.

Dempsey

stovelid wrote: »

I was being metaphorical.

Can't the Celtic heads just not work out their inferiority complex about not being in the mega league in their own super thread?



LOI clubs are just cool with being actually Irish.

It was actually all the haters that brought it up continually if you check back. Responding to shít talk doesnt mean we have an inferiority complex. You must if you feel the need to talk up the LOI in a thread that has nothing to do with the LOI.

Yea, LOI clubs are cool, LOL

stovelid

Dempsey wrote: »

Responding to shít talk doesnt mean we have an inferiority complex.

A Scottish club that thinks it's Irish and wants to play in a Brit league does suggest a confusion of sorts.

Pompey Magnus

stovelid wrote: »

A Scottish club that thinks it's Irish and wants to play in a Brit league does suggest a confusion of sorts.

Celtic doesn't think it is Irish, it just acknowledges it's Irish roots. The only confusion is among those who don't seem to understand that people are actually allowed recognise heritage and history as being important aspects of their community.

dreamers75

stovelid wrote: »

A Scottish club that thinks it's Irish and wants to play in a Brit league does suggest a confusion of sorts.

Funny when you say it out loud.

Dempsey

stovelid wrote: »

A Scottish club that thinks it's Irish and wants to play in a Brit league does suggest a confusion of sorts.

Nothing wrong with celebrating your heritage, no matter where in the world you are. BTW, the SPL is a 'Brit League' if you want to refer to the EPL as a brit league :rolleyes:

Out of interest, have you ever lived outside of Ireland?

ColeTrain

stovelid wrote: »

I was being metaphorical.

Can't the Celtic heads just not work out their inferiority complex about not being in the mega league in their own super thread?

What? This thread was about Celtic being back into the Europa league. What's your opinion on it? Seems you're just arguing the LOI cause, when the LOI has nothing to do with it.

stovelid wrote: »

LOI clubs are just cool with being actually Irish.

Celtic are cool with having strong Irish roots. I don't see the point in a "we're more Irish than you" discussion.

noodler

Dempsey wrote: »

Everytime there is a Celtic thread.

LOI vs SPL
EPL vs Celtic
The World vs Celtic

This thread is about Sion cheating in European Competition and their punishment, any chance it stay about that?

Hmmmm,

Dempsey wrote: »

If Celtic got to the EPL, we'd double our turnover overnight without having to lift a finger. I'd think that would count as a sugar daddy!

Thats a bit ironic, trying to end a discussion you participated in because it is off-topic..

ColeTrain

stovelid wrote: »

A Scottish club that thinks it's Irish and wants to play in a Brit league does suggest a confusion of sorts.

You seem jealous of this supposed confusion or maybe the jealousy is because of the size of Celtic's fanbase, history, stadium and it's turnover...

stovelid

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Celtic doesn't think it is Irish, it just acknowledges it's Irish roots..

So that's why Dublin City FC were into that pseudo Viking bollocks....

Dempsey

noodler wrote: »

Hmmmm,




Thats a bit ironic, trying to end a discussion you participated in because it is off-topic..

Not really, just sick of idiots on this forum with their **** talk.

I wouldnt have posted about it if idiots didnt bring it up.

What club do you support? I bet I could post something that would get an off topic response out of you if you read it.

stovelid

ColeTrain wrote: »

Celtic are cool with having strong Irish roots. .

Can't knock it to be fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15qc3_joy5A

Dempsey

stovelid wrote: »

So that's why Dublin City FC were into that pseudo Viking bollocks....

Would you rather they pursue the "West Brit/Jackeen" angle?

noodler

Dempsey wrote: »

Not really, just sick of idiots on this forum with their **** talk.

I wouldnt have posted about it if idiots didnt bring it up.

What club do you support? I bet I could post something that would get an off topic response out of you if you read it.

Maybe, fact remains you made what I would consider a typical Celtic fan comment about how great they'd be if they were in the EPL though.

Just because you got called up on it doesn't mean you should throw your toys out of the pram and (almost) hypcritically tell people to stay on-topic.

The_Kew_Tour

stovelid wrote: »

A Scottish club that thinks it's Irish and wants to play in a Brit league does suggest a confusion of sorts.

always taught they'd want play in LOI considering they want keep their Irish roots:p

stovelid

Dempsey wrote: »

Would you rather they pursue the "West Brit/Jackeen" angle?

The West Brit slur is unfair,

If they want to support UK cultural institutions like EPL and SPL sport clubs that's their concern, in fairness.

ColeTrain

stovelid wrote: »

Can't knock it to be fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px4KQ4q7JfM

Nah, you can't.

Dempsey

noodler wrote: »

Maybe, fact remains you made what I would consider a typical Celtic fan comment about how great they'd be if they were in the EPL though.

Just because you got called up on it doesn't mean you should throw your toys out of the pram and (almost) hypcritically tell people to stay on-topic.

Typical fan comment?

Try looking at the numbers, Celtic turnover ~£50m without European Football, they would get a boost of £40m alone from being in the EPL, factor in media exposure, renegotiated sponsorship contracts and other revenue streams and you easily have over double turnover. All I stated was the maths involved, not any fanboy idealisms.

There is nothing hypocritical in what I've done, I havent instigated any off topic posts. I've already stated all the above, in detail, in more relevant threads, why cant those looking to have a go?

stovelid

ColeTrain wrote: »

Nah, you can't.

What does Amhran Na Bhfiann have to do with Scotland?

Dempsey

stovelid wrote: »

What does Amhran Na Bhfiann have to do with Scotland?

What does 'The fields of Athenry' have to do with Irish sport?

stovelid wrote: »

The West Brit slur is unfair,

If they want to support UK cultural institutions like EPL and SPL sport clubs that's their concern, in fairness.

It wasnt a slur :P

Whats wrong with Celtic celebrating their obvious Irish heritage?

ColeTrain

stovelid wrote: »

What does Amhran Na Bhfiann have to do with Scotland?

Celtic have Irish roots, I think we've been over this before.

You either have a serious case of amnesia or you're looking for an argument about Celtic's Irish roots, when in all honesty there isn't any need for one.

Pompey Magnus

ColeTrain wrote: »

Celtic have Irish roots, I think we've been over this before.

You either have a serious case of amnesia or you're looking for an argument about Celtic's Irish roots, when in all honesty there isn't any need for one.

When these arguments come up I get the feeling people play intentionally thick just to help their weak arguments against people born in a foreign land identifying with the heritage.

I wonder do they get equally annoyed when James Connolly is identified as a great Irish patriot who died for this country, considering how he was Scottish?

Dempsey

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

When these arguments come up I get the feeling people play intentionally thick just to help their weak arguments against people born in a foreign land identifying with the heritage.

I wonder do they get equally annoyed when James Connolly is identified as a great Irish patriot who died for this country, considering how he was Scottish?

He was a what?! :pac:

ColeTrain

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

When these arguments come up I get the feeling people play intentionally thick just to help their weak arguments against people born in a foreign land identifying with the heritage.

I wonder do they get equally annoyed when James Connolly is identified as a great Irish patriot who died for this country, considering how he was Scottish?

It's the same thing over and over.

Celtic are a British club.
Why don't you support your LOI team.
Celtic are rubbish, would get relegated in the mighty EPL.
The SPL is crap.
All the skangers wear the Celtic tops.

ZZZ.




How do you think we'll do in the Europa Pompey?!

stovelid

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

When these arguments come up I get the feeling people play intentionally thick just to help their weak arguments against people born in a foreign land identifying with the heritage.

I wonder do they get equally annoyed when James Connolly is identified as a great Irish patriot who died for this country, considering how he was Scottish?

More Irish people probably emigrated to England or America than Scotland to be fair.

Dempsey

stovelid wrote: »

More Irish people probably emigrated to England or America than Scotland to be fair.

So what?

bradlente

I don't understand how Fenerbache get barred from Europe and as its Turkeys spot it goes to Trabsbonzpor yet Sion's dosn't go to the Swiss league.

A double standard if I ever saw one.

Dempsey

noodler wrote: »

What team from a poorer league wouldn't?

If Shamrock Rovers joined the EPL tomorrow they'd see a massive increase in their revenue or TNS.

Always found that a strange point to make.

Missed this post

They would but would they be turning over £100m+ a season as a result?

Its a strange point to those that dont have a clue tbh

ColeTrain

bradlente wrote: »

I don't understand how Fenerbache get barred from Europe and as its Turkeys spot it goes to Trabsbonzpor yet Sion's dosn't go to the Swiss league.

A double standard if I ever saw one.

Celtic won the tie 6-0, that's why.

Dempsey

bradlente wrote: »

I don't understand how Fenerbache get barred from Europe and as its Turkeys spot it goes to Trabsbonzpor yet Sion's dosn't go to the Swiss league.

A double standard if I ever saw one.

The Turkish FA withdrew Fenerbache

The Swiss FA allowed Sion to register their ineligible players

Its not the same thing, not by a long shot.