Ze Bulli

Gryzor

Sounds like this raidy guy has a revolutionary atty under wraps, no coil, mesh....

Some of the pipes and mods he's designed (thread alec linked) are mad...

Must try a new wick in the next few days using his method, see if i can get the wicking issue sorted....

derra

Gryzor wrote: »

Sounds like this raidy guy has a revolutionary atty under wraps, no coil, mesh....

Some of the pipes and mods he's designed (thread alec linked) are mad...

Must try a new wick in the next few days using his method, see if i can get the wicking issue sorted....

Flicked through that thread, some mad looking mods alright.
He seems to have some issue with the lads that made the Line over their new venture, something to do with copyright over the name of it in which they were calling it Silver Dog.

Be interesting to see what that new atty be like without coil and mesh.

Regarding the Line, i see another user has noticed a massive difference between the mesh from the mesh company and that of wires.co.uk in which i posted a link to on a previous page.

alec76

Regarding the Line, i see another user has noticed a massive difference between the mesh from the mesh company and that of wires.co.uk in which i posted a link to on a previous page.

placed the order for mesh 400 and 0.20 Nicr wire , we'll see

derra

alec76 wrote: »

placed the order for mesh 400 and 0.20 Nicr wire , we'll see

Lifetime supply of wire Alec at a great price.

Hope the mesh makes a difference and you get that atty working to it's full potential, am sure ya will.

My RDA is in a sorting office in London.
Brother can't collect it till Saturday so may wait till next week before trying that.

Gryzor

Tried the 15mm width on the mesh for the wick...just ended up with a bigger channel in the centre. I think getting the spiral through the centre is the key, lots of narrow channels for the wicking to happen...but i couldn't get a spiral into it....

Wonder what the effect of putting some bulli wick through the centre of the mash would be?? Might be too wet, and choke it...

alec76

i think it is easy to test wicking performance....Just dip bottom of wick in to the juice( without atty) , leave it in upright position and see how quick/slow/far juice is rising ....

Esel

Anyone tried cannibalising a new Zippo wick?

derra

Esel wrote: »

Anyone tried cannibalising a new Zippo wick?

It's been done alright.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/203514-ego-t-how-make-new-wicks-work-great-cheaply.html

Gryzor

Made a new wick for the line with the mesh you linked derra, still not getting enough wicking that i don't have to tip it every now and again. Not too bothered, flavour and vapour are spot on. Gonna drop the nic on the next fill ( be about 5 mins the way thing goes through the juice )

Going back to the bulli, can't get any vapour outa the thing lately. Using 4 coils of .2, 4gf. Coming in at about 1.6ohm....

derra

Gryzor wrote: »

Made a new wick for the line with the mesh you linked derra, still not getting enough wicking that i don't have to tip it every now and again. Not too bothered, flavour and vapour are spot on. Gonna drop the nic on the next fill ( be about 5 mins the way thing goes through the juice )

Going back to the bulli, can't get any vapour outa the thing lately. Using 4 coils of .2, 4gf. Coming in at about 1.6ohm....

Was hoping that mesh would help

A lot of users seem to get it working no bother, some are having issues with the quality (leak,connector), seems to be a mixed bag so far.
Once ya have it working properly it's great but i would of fired it out the window or snapped the posts by fiddling at them too much.

Goes through the juice big time does'nt it.

Reapired the Bulli earlier in less than 5 mins with 7 wraps of the .2 Nich...using a thinner needle and it's rocking at 1.8, that will do me.

alec76

Made a new wick for the line with the mesh you linked derra, still not getting enough wicking

got this mesh aswell. new wick - much better now ( not sure if the new mesh cause of it not entirely happy with the throat hit and flavour ...RTA still my first choice at the moment ....

Gryzor

derra wrote: »

Reapired the Bulli earlier in less than 5 mins with 7 wraps of the .2 Nich...using a thinner needle and it's rocking at 1.8, that will do me.

Must try a couple of extra turns, keep forgetting how I set the thing up with the different resistance wires... might actually write it down next time ;-)

derra

alec76 wrote: »

got this mesh aswell. new wick - much better now ( not sure if the new mesh cause of it not entirely happy with the throat hit and flavour ...RTA still my first choice at the moment ....

Hit and miss atty i feel, mesh works for you and not Gryzor. Too many things to get right to achieve good results. One minute i am posting it is superb and the next minute it's not.
I'm glad i got rid of mine tbh, thought i'd never get to the Post Ofice.
Think i read it was selling for 200 sterling on ECF :eek:

This post summed it up for me ...

''I'm not knocking the craftmanship, engineering or looks of the line, but being able to easily replace a coil and wick and expect fairly consistent results is kinda the whole point of a rebuildable atty IMO.

If just changing the wick and / or coil out means hours or days of fiddling about to get back to nominal operation, then i'd say it's too much of a labour..it might be a labour of love, but faffing work nonetheless.

If i had to criticise a design aspect, it is probably what contributes most to the variability of results and consistency in the line - the terminals.

The fact that moving one or both of them, even a fraction of a mm means the entire operation of the device is changed, is too flakey imo.

I'd imagine even a slight temperature variation may throw off the 'sweet spot vape' that could of taken hours or even a day or more of fiddling to achieve, since as we know, metals tend to expand and contract with heat and cold.

Screw terminals would probably have been a solution to this.

In the end i was worrying even a tiny touch of the top cap on the terminals as i screwed it on was changing the performance enough to throw it off for me...life's too short for that in my book.''

derra

Gryzor wrote: »

Must try a couple of extra turns, keep forgetting how I set the thing up with the different resistance wires... might actually write it down next time ;-)

6 turns of Nichrome .2 with 1mm nail would get you around 1.8 Ohms which is probably the best configuration.


ps: I read on the german site about the Bulli 2mm wick, it's not great i believe.
Wire cutting through too easy, falling apart etc.

Stick to the 1mm if buying wick from there, maybe he took the 2mm off the site as he was getting too many complaints.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-rauchen-forum.de%2Fforum-129.html

derra

alec76 wrote: »

.RTA still my first choice at the moment ....

Did you try mesh in the RTA Alec ?
Hoping the RDA comes tomorrow to try out.

Gryzor

derra wrote: »

6 turns of Nichrome .2 with 1mm nail would get you around 1.8 Ohms which is probably the best configuration.

I'm using kanthal, shouldn't make much difference, or does it??

On the Line, the messing with the posts hasn't been an issue for me, the last couple of wicks. I think I was putting too much voltage through it the first couple of times. I haven't had any hotspots since. I make it pretty much the same way Scott shows in his latest review...

£200 though, if someone wants it that bad, might be able to oblige :-)

derra

Gryzor wrote: »

I'm using kanthal, shouldn't make much difference, or does it??

On the Line, the messing with the posts hasn't been an issue for me, the last couple of wicks. I think I was putting too much voltage through it the first couple of times. I haven't had any hotspots since. I make it pretty much the same way Scott shows in his latest review...

£200 though, if someone wants it that bad, might be able to oblige :-)

35.0 ohms/metre is the Nichrome .20
43.8 ohm/metre is Kanthal .20.

Easier to work with the Nichrome as it is thinner and so ya can get more wraps around the wick to achieve 1.8 Ohms due to the difference in resistance to Kanthal.

Maybe do 5 wraps of the Kanthal.

Well if your happy with the Line, keep it sure.
On UKVapers you would definitely get €100 sterling.
An american user wrote it was sold on ECF for big money.

Gryzor

Good description on Kanthal V Nichrome from UKV

Kanthal holds it 's shape very well and is relatively very strong even when glowing red to near white hot. It's service temp is a bit higher than nichrome which also makes it a very good choice for vaping. It develops an oxidation layer very quickly as so the "off" taste of a new coil is gone pretty quickly (usually less than 10 good drags is needed to get to the broken in clean taste). This oxidation layer seals it from attack from liquids that it is contact with so it is also a very "clean" wire. Of course, as with all things where multiple materials will work to achieve a desired effect, some will prefer nichrome to kanthal for one reason or another. The tastes are slightly different too. With kanthal, the 'off" taste is more drastic, but disappears completely but with nichrome, the "off" taste is initially less and never goes completely away. Most of us are used to this taste because it is what is in almost all, if not all, commercial atomizers so the clear taste of kanthal after it is broken in may throw off some vapers. Subtle flavors come through better on broken in kanthal and strong flavors become even stronger. In the end I think it's best to experiment with them and decide what you like better. This is very easy with rebuildable atomizers like the iAtty so why not
Your experiences may be different than my own, but this is what I have noticed so far."

derra

The Nichrome is much cheaper too and as Alec said before, 6 turns covers alot of the wick so it won't go dry quickly. (if using .2 that is)
Easier to work with as well.

alec76

derra wrote: »

Did you try mesh in the RTA Alec ?
Hoping the RDA comes tomorrow to try out.

er ... it is working so great , don't wanna spoil it..:)
did u get RDA ? i think flavour wise it is better than Line . Vapor is warmer too...
Probably due to chamber size ....

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

ive spent the last 2 hours reading ukvapers getting myself all hyped up to order an RTA
then I check clockworks profile, see most recent posts. 8 weeks waiting list

derra

alec76 wrote: »

er ... it is working so great , don't wanna spoil it..:)
did u get RDA ? i think flavour wise it is better than Line . Vapor is warmer too...
Probably due to chamber size ....

Just leave it so
Enjoy it without all the hassle of getting a mesh setup as i read it is not easy.
Hoping tomorrow for the RDA, was posted from London on Saturday so maybe Friday.
Maybe sometime in the future we can lend each other the atties to try out ?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

ive spent the last 2 hours reading ukvapers getting myself all hyped up to order an RTA
then I check clockworks profile, see most recent posts. 8 weeks waiting list

And two weeks wait for the RDA at the moment which is not bad.
Seems to take about 10 drops, pools at the bottom of the chamber and the wick feeds it to the coil.
Someone put fluval at the bottom to soak in the juice allowing 1.5-2 ml of juice.

The RTA seems to be weapon of choice though.

A few opinions on both here...
http://ukvapers.com/topic/16055-rda-or-rta/

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah the RTA looks incredible from what ive seen of it. I might bight the bullet on an RDA next week, and if I get on well with building coils and whatnot put my name down for an RTA and go into a coma for 8 weeks.

my one concern with the RDA is vapour production. I can only find one video of it and the guy using it (while he said he loves the flavour and TH) was producing next to no vapour.. like trying to run a 3ohm on an ego battery. It's probably the least important part of the vaping experience overall, but vapour production is damned important to me.

maybe the RDA will teach me better I guess

derra

Don't know what wire he used and how many turns?
Maybe he was using a high percentage PG juice as well.
Link us to the video.

Hopefully i'll find out tomorrow or next day what it's like.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAns3GZGHpg

he was just using it as it came

aye, maybe it was a high pg juice. saw someone on ukvapers comment on the high vapour production
*shrug*

ill probably get ont next week regardless, even if only as training for the RTA

--edit

oh screw it, I'll just put myself on the list for the RTA next week. the arry tank oughta keep me amused for a couple of weeks and after that it's just a little bit of waiting for the RTA batches to get run through

derra

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

--edit

oh screw it, I'll just put myself on the list for the RTA next week. the arry tank oughta keep me amused for a couple of weeks and after that it's just a little bit of waiting for the RTA batches to get run through

Two videos about them.
He uses wick which a few of us did'nt like, will be using Bulli meself for the RDA.
A post Alec made about the RTA and setup worth looking at.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77110638&postcount=193

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYuWsdcH-d4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzcF3eaWVE

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

everyone seems to go for low resistance on their repairables
is there any particular reason for this?
the only one I can think of is that low res atties would work better on lower voltages (thius longer battery life) and because it's repairable, it doesnt matter that it's going to die faster

is that all it is? or is there some sort of technical reason for it too

Gryzor

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

everyone seems to go for low resistance on their repairables
is there any particular reason for this?
the only one I can think of is that low res atties would work better on lower voltages (thius longer battery life) and because it's repairable, it doesnt matter that it's going to die faster

is that all it is? or is there some sort of technical reason for it too

Probably just you can stick it on an ego battery and get a decent vape, for me there's no other reason.
If i know i'll be using the device at only at home, i generally go for a higher resistance, then i can use a greater range of voltages on the provari....

derra

Got the RDA today.

Repaired it same as Bulli with 6 turns of .2 giving me 1.7 Ohms.

Clockworks said in a post about repairing that two strands is enough for Bulli wick.

I used 4GF just to be akward as i knew what measurement i would get and to see what it would be like at that.

At this configuration, ya know the atty has potential.
The vapour was ok and taste was ok .

So just done a 2GF with 9 turns giving me 2 Ohms. (Seems excessive but it works)
The flavour is intense, loads of vapour, nice draw out of it etc.
Takes a lot of juice for dripping which is a bonus from just a few drops at a time into the Bulli.

Will read up on it a bit more and see what kind of reapirs people are doing and take it from there.

That's the difference between this and the Line for me.
I won't mind repairing this till i find the right results.
It's a simple process taking less than 5 mins to repair.

Won't work on Box mod, hoping an adapter will fix that tomorrow.
So only have it on the eGo battery @ 2 Ohms and i'm even pleased with that, so will expect better throathit etc on a higher voltage.

Definitely gonna enjoy this atty.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

sounds cool, delighted about the vapour production

ive decided im gona get both rda should come in 2 weeks or so, and by the time the rta comes ill easily have enough saved up to pay for it so all good

im just looking through the thread on ukvapers now figuring out what the options are.. I know i want the tank with the screfill, but I can't remember where I read the damn options for the tube.. I had it open, but must have closed it by accident

im not even sure i really need the rta if the rda is gonna be that good but i suppose it's handier than keeping a bottle on me at all times

derra

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

sounds cool, delighted about the vapour production

ive decided im gona get both rda should come in 2 weeks or so, and by the time the rta comes ill easily have enough saved up to pay for it so all good

im just looking through the thread on ukvapers now figuring out what the options are.. I know i want the tank with the screfill, but I can't remember where I read the damn options for the tube.. I had it open, but must have closed it by accident

im not even sure i really need the rta if the rda is gonna be that good but i suppose it's handier than keeping a bottle on me at all times

This one?
http://ukvapers.com/topic/12051-anodised-aluminium-tubes-for-rta-and-rda/page__st__20

or this...

http://ukvapers.com/topic/7838-rebuildable-atties-rda-and-rta-options/page__pid__262926__st__760#entry262926


Might go for RTA as well at some stage, will enjoy the simplicity of this one for now though and make sure i get it the way i want before going on to the RTA.
As a first repairable, the RDA be ideal i think.

And your ceramic drip tip fits in perfectly

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

secvond one, but the first one helped more

prettry sure ill get the black anodised tubes , saw a pic and it looked good


at the rate the RTA apparently eats through juice I wonder 2 rda's might not be a better option

derra

Stall the wish, one at a time Getting ahead of yourself there before ya even tried it.
Ya have to get decent wicking material as well as some wire which is cheap though.

I'm gonna order a clear one off him so i can see what's going on in there. Looks well all black though.

The RDA will go through the juice as well, but not on a mad scale as the Line did.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah im gona have to look into getting some wick/wire
ill read through the ukvapers thread and this one later and get enough to last me a few months.. can't be too expensive and ill probably need a lot to figure out how to do it properly

--edit
ugh, ill need a multimeter too

*rocks back and forth mumbling "cheaper than cigarettes, cheaper than cigarettes"*

derra

I have some wick there that i must try in the RDA.
Was useless in the Bulli but might be different in this.

Anyway, Bulli wick is expensive enough but not crazy money, ya spend more looking for cheaper alternatives :rolleyes:

Get a multimeter for a tenner so ya would.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

just put my name down for both anyway. rda should be done in about 2 weeks going by a post i saw earlier today, and RTA in 8-9. plenty of time to put money aside for the RTA and to get used to the RDA

ill have to find something productive to do with all my spare cartomisers from healthcabin... build a small dollhouse or something

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

do I have to oxidise stuff like you would with the genesis line, with the rd(t)a?
or is it just take wire/wick, wrap it altogether and then vape?

none of rawveg's videos had him oxidising anything witha giant scary blue flame, but figured id best make sure to ask

derra

Just the wire, not neccesary but it helps.

Yellow flame off a lighter and heat the wire. Makes it easier to wind and breaks in a bit quicker once ya done that.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://e-cigarette-gg-france.com/product.php?id_product=189

think i found this stuff in a group buy thread on ukvapers.. so ill learn french in a couple of days and place an order.

seriously, only site i've seen in my travels around the foreign webs looking at ecigs stuff that doesn't have an english language option.. it would be french.

derra

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

http://e-cigarette-gg-france.com/product.php?id_product=189

Never tried it, but am sticking to what i know works very well.

That's 2mm wick as well which would be handy, no need for U shape when winding.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I assume that's something that will make sense to me when I decide to read through this thread again

derra

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

I assume that's something that will make sense to me when I decide to read through this thread again

Maybe look at the video and listen
He uses 1mm wick, 2 strands.......2mm ya would use 1 strand.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

aaah right right, I think I get you now

so I wouldnt have to loop the wicking stuff over the paperclip end.. i'd just take a strand and wrap a coil around it, and away I go.

alec76

bullismoker
got 2 options of wick at the moment
1 and 2 mm
http://bulli-smoker.de/index.php?a=45&lang=eng

as derra said , it isn't cheap , but it works very well..... Besides u only use tones of it at the start ( at learning stage ),as soon as u get some winding skills -- one wick could last a month or more-- with the regular dry burns of course ( than again, if u using 10 % of flavoring -- wick last twice less probably.......)

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

hehe
if the rda is as good as it's meant to be ill probably drop down to 5% flavouring

thanks for the link, a few people on ukvapers were saying bulli wick wasn't great for the rda. luckily enough i've got a couple of weeks to look at all this **** before I gotta get anything, I think the rda comes with a bit of wick/wire anyway so I shoiuld be ok for a while

alec76

few people on ukvapers were saying bulli wick wasn't great for the rda

i think it is probably the best wick on the market though

alec76

I think the rda comes with a bit of wick/wire anyway so I shoiuld be ok for a while

i won't be surprised if u waste that bit in a first day

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i wouldnt be surprised if I manage to choke myself with it

alec76

derra wrote: »

Got the RDA today.

Repaired it same as Bulli with 6 turns of .2 giving me 1.7 Ohms.

Clockworks said in a post about repairing that two strands is enough for Bulli wick.

I used 4GF just to be akward as i knew what measurement i would get and to see what it would be like at that.

At this configuration, ya know the atty has potential.
The vapour was ok and taste was ok .

So just done a 2GF with 9 turns giving me 2 Ohms. (Seems excessive but it works)
The flavour is intense, loads of vapour, nice draw out of it etc.
Takes a lot of juice for dripping which is a bonus from just a few drops at a time into the Bulli.

Will read up on it a bit more and see what kind of reapirs people are doing and take it from there.

That's the difference between this and the Line for me.
I won't mind repairing this till i find the right results.
It's a simple process taking less than 5 mins to repair.

Won't work on Box mod, hoping an adapter will fix that tomorrow.
So only have it on the eGo battery @ 2 Ohms and i'm even pleased with that, so will expect better throathit etc on a higher voltage.

Definitely gonna enjoy this atty.

Congratulation ,derra !!!!
What u think about it flavour/taste wise , in comparison to Line ?
i think my Line working better now, still can't achieve RTA results .....i didn't give up on it though
made couple dozen of mesh wicks already , probably can do it with the eyes closed by now no hot spots , no E1-E2 errors at the start on Provari , wicking is good-- no burn taste to the last drop ...plenty of vapour . But it is kinda tasteless though and poor throat hit ... i dunno , maybe i repeatedly making very same error every time..... Although i never had a chance to refill it more than twice with the same mesh on....will the taste improve after 3-4 refills ,u think?

Gryzor

I think we need to combine methods alec, i get clouds of vapour, savage flavour, good throat hit, but no wicking without tipping....

Flavour is good after ~20 drags on a new coil