Why are young Irish women so rude in bars/clubs?

IPushButtons

I think they think you want to **** them funny that, a mate of mine a taxi driver recons that most nights (after the nightclub) he gets heaps of chicks crying into his face cos they can't get a guy.

hahahah there just young op, don't give a ****

TomBeckett

Over here its the opposite.. Its the men that get all the attention...:p:p

And its Fcuking great:D:D:D

tolosenc

OP, you big error here was approaching Irish women. Foreign women are better for the gene pool and better for your mental health.

Esel

jameshealy19 wrote: »

Went out last night with several mates, we approached several Irish women for a chat, (none of us were drunk) and all we ended up getting was really harsh put-downs within the first 10secs. A woman has no rational reason to put a man down like that so fast. Where is the respect and manners amongst Irish girls these days?

@jameshealy19: If you build it, they will come.

later12

lima wrote: »

OP, forget trying to talk to Irish girls in clubs and just go abroad where social interaction is normal between males and females. If you don't get laid, then at least you may make friends with some girls and that may lead to meeting your girl in the future...

This is just silly. There is an implication in the majority of the posts on here that if a man approaches a woman in a nightclub she should
(1) respond in a way that indicates she is attracted to him, or
(2) respond in a way that indicates that she wants to be his friend.

What about option
(3) 'I don't want to mate with you, and I don't want to be your friend, I'm here with my girlfriends and we're all hot lesbians?

But really; girls aren't obliged to be polite any more than guys are. And if you're telling me you don't know guys who can be rude to girls in nightclubs then I'm afraid you may have a credibility issue.

Inbox

I learnt that's it's quite futile just walking up and chatting to random women.

It's much better to wait and sus out who is showing an interest in you. Wait till you find them glancing over and smiling, then you have a much better chance.

Avoid Irish girls like the plague.. Even when they're backpackin over here, they're tough work. If you chat to them at all, they presume you're interested when really I just got left standin next to them.

Father Damo

jameshealy19 wrote: »

Went out last night with several mates, we approached several Irish women for a chat, (none of us were drunk) and all we ended up getting was really harsh put-downs within the first 10secs. A woman has no rational reason to put a man down like that so fast. Where is the respect and manners amongst Irish girls these days?

Lets be honest, they are less rude and more craic than German, French, Polish....pretty much most nationalities.

4leto

Lets be honest, Irish men and I am one, are pathetic. I sometimes think from living abroad Irish men are naturally shy and the only way we can approach a woman while out is when we are half pissed.

As for Irish woman they are usually equally as pissed and tanked up to respond to the the usual drunken banter.

Foreigners really do drink less while out, they even do things like go for a meal, I know weird.

desertcircus

How To Make Sure You Never Learn How To Talk To Women:

Blame them every time you do a bad job of it. Seven guys going up to a group of girls at once is a bit much; they may be attached; they may have decided to have a girls' night out. Going by what I've heard from female friends, unwanted male attention is a more or less constant hazard in Irish nightclubs. If you're the fifth group they've had to get rid of that night, then they're probably right to be rude about it - otherwise they'll spend their whole night trying to politely get rid of blokes.

They weren't interested in talking to you. You have a choice of what to do with that fact: either blame them and assume that all Irish women are horrible harpies (which is childish, unpleasant and misogynistic) or figure out why they weren't interested and change that. If they don't like talking to large groups, try going out in smaller groups. Try chatting to them at the bar while they're waiting to order. Try going speed-dating. Try dance classes. Try internet dating.

Just because you fancy talking to some women on a night out doesn't mean they have any obligation to humour you.

In_My_Tree

Have you tried blasting them with..Oh forget about it.

Onikage

Seven guys approaching one girl? It doesn't always go this smoothly...

jameshealy19

Onikage wrote: »

Seven guys approaching one girl? It doesn't always go this smoothly...

it wasnt seven approaching 1 obviously, it was one approaching one or two

AnnieBaby

Ahhh this is sad

A few Irish fellas visiting my hometown this summer said it was common for Irish girls to be a tad rude in nightclubs in Dublin City.

It's hard for girls too though; often if they show a bit of niceness it gets misunderstood by the fella as something more.

tweedledee

AHHH the Irish are such great lovers

jonnygiles

Im sure that situation has happened to most guys in their time OP. It does seem that the majority of women in the 18-22 age bracket appear to like beign very dismissive to advances whether they were in a acceptable manner of not. Best off ignoring them and just having a good time on your own, let them come to you. Decided I had enough of chasing Irish women and now have an American girlfriend and couldnt be happier:) Foreign women to tend to be more approachable just to have a general conversation with imo

Onikage

jameshealy19 wrote: »

it wasnt seven approaching 1 obviously, it was one approaching one or two

I know, I'm being facetious. I appreciate that you had an unpleasant experience, but what do expect will happen if you post about it here? I suggest you should be prepared for the following responses:

A: Agree
B: Blame you
C: Pics or GTFO/Yore Ma/Blast with piss/Atari Jaguar

Don't expect too much of A.

py2006

jameshealy19 wrote: »

Went out last night with several mates, we approached several Irish women for a chat, (none of us were drunk) and all we ended up getting was really harsh put-downs within the first 10secs. A woman has no rational reason to put a man down like that so fast. Where is the respect and manners amongst Irish girls these days?

A lot of Irish girls are stuck up their own hole on nights out. Full of nasty attitude thinking they are all models and they can treat guys (they don't fancy) like crap.

AnnieBaby

jonnygiles wrote: »

Im sure that situation has happened to most guys in their time OP. It does seem that the majority of women in the 18-22 age bracket appear to like beign very dismissive to advances whether they were in a acceptable manner of not. Best off ignoring them and just having a good time on your own, let them come to you. Decided I had enough of chasing Irish women and now have an American girlfriend and couldnt be happier:) Foreign women to tend to be more approachable just to have a general conversation with imo

Ahahaaaa ... that is what my Dubliner friends said to me about American women

To be honest I'm sure American women treat American men how Irish women treat Irish men :P

--LOS--

ah the ole irish girls are ugly bitches thread

*yawn*

jonnygiles

AnnieBaby wrote: »

Ahahaaaa ... that is what my Dubliner friends said to me about American women

To be honest I'm sure American women treat American men how Irish women treat Irish men :P

Lol well I just think that us Irish in general are very bad in chatting up. Most of us guys seems to only try to talk to girls with a lot of drinks on them and that can get irritating. There are also some women in Dublin whos perfect night can be to refuse several advances from guys to make them feel better than other women around them. At the end of the day nightclubs arent all what its cracked up to be, going out on a night out is meant to be fun isnt it?:rolleyes:

AnnieBaby

jonnygiles wrote: »

Lol well I just think that us Irish in general are very bad in chatting up. Most of us guys seems to only try to talk to girls with a lot of drinks on them and that can get irritating. There are also some women in Dublin whos perfect night can be to refuse several advances from guys to make them feel better than other women around them. At the end of the day nightclubs arent all what its cracked up to be, going out on a night out is meant to be fun isnt it?:rolleyes:

Well I found my boyfriend to be quite polite when I first met him He's always been more friendly than my previous (American) boyfriend and still is... nearly three years after meeting him

I will probably always love the Irish because of him...

...And I met him in a night club :P

py2006

deisedave wrote: »

Maybe they didnt want men they do not know coming over and getting in there personal space. Just because some men are on the pull does not mean women have to humour you. If some girls want to head to the pub and have a few drinks without dudes hitting on them they are entitled too.

That is not the point.

Its the rudeness and ignorance of some of these girls.

ilovesleep

I wouldn't consider myself rude and I would be polite and courteous to others.

Do you know what I hate. Being polite and considerate and then some fellas would take that on board and get an absolute ego boost from it. Yeah, I just asked you for a light, it doesn't mean I want to shag you.

AnnieBaby

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wouldn't consider myself rude and I would be polite and courteous to others.

Do you know what I hate. Being polite and considerate and then some fellas would take that on board and get an absolute ego boost from it. Yeah, I just asked you for a light, it doesn't mean I want to shag you.

Ahahaha! I'll have to agree with this ... so true.

However as a woman, one thing I HATEEEE:
...women who think EVERY fella is attracted to them... urrrgghhh (know a few of these)!

7sr2z3fely84g5

AnnieBaby wrote: »

women who think EVERY fella is attracted to them... urrrgghhh (know a few of these)!

They are the same sort that end up crying every-night to their friends asking why are they alone!.

py2006

We still live in an age where for the most part men have to do all the work in terms terms of approaching somebody. Girls just have to sit there so these poor guys have no idea if they are going to be told to f off or get a 'hello' back.

I cringe when I see a guy approaching a girl only to be given a dirty look or told to f off.

Not all guys are drunken sleaze bags as some of the girls are suggesting here. By all means be rude to them, but the guy who merely says hello there is no excuse for it.

And no your not all supermodels so get over yourselves.

AnnieBaby

Solomon Hot Program wrote: »

They are the same sort that end up crying every-night to their friends asking why are they alone!.

Some of my friends (LOVE them... really do, just drive me crazy sometimes ahaha) are ALWAYS mentioning "the inappropriate way he...and he... and he and he and he...." looked at them

hahahahahhahahaha

bohsmug

What if you just start crying and said "my dog died today"? If they look anyway apologetic (which they won't) then you can turn to one of them and explain that she reminded you of her.

Then skip off happy and post about it on the internet.

Ickle Magoo

Ah, the customary sunday morning "I can't get laid and it's everyone else's fault" thread...

Chin up, there's always next weekend. \o/

LeeHoffmann

We still live in an age where for the most part men have to do all the work in terms terms of approaching somebody. Girls Women just have to sit there so these poor guys have no idea if they are going to be told to f off or get a 'hello' back.

Nobody has to do any work. I know plenty of women who've done the approaching bit. But if any guy constantly gets shot down in a rude way, I would think -1. you're picking the wrong type of woman, and 2. stop approaching them (seems like the easiest solution - you don't have to approach anyone )

However, I think there's no need for anybody to be rude -that's bad form. But I don't get the attitude. If I was approaching guys and they were constantly rude to me, I'd stop approaching guys. Simples

py2006

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

Nobody has to do any work. I know plenty of women who've done the approaching bit. But if any guy constantly gets shot down in a rude way, I would think -1. you're picking the wrong type of woman, and 2. stop approaching them (seems like the easiest solution - you don't have to approach anyone )

For these guys its hard to pick out the right and wrong type of girl. You can't tell by looking. Guys will approach a girl they find attractive.

As for not approaching anyone? Eh, how is a guy supposed to meet a girl if he avoids them all!

Miss Olenska

py2006 wrote: »

A lot of Irish girls are stuck up their own hole on nights out. Full of nasty attitude thinking they are all models and they can treat guys (they don't fancy) like crap.

And men never act like dickheads on nights out?

Also, what, if the girls actually were models, then it would be OK for them to be rude to people?

py2006 wrote: »

And no your not all supermodels so get over yourselves.

Again, being a model makes it OK to be rude, and if you're not one you need to take what you can get?

Look, being rude to people isn't cool, no matter what you look like.

py2006

Miss Olenska wrote: »

And men never act like dickheads on nights out?

Also, what, if the girls actually were models, then it would be OK for them to be rude to people?

Yea some do! But they don't act like complete divas if a girl they don't fancy approaches them!!

Not sure what the connection with being a model and being rude is?

LeeHoffmann

I didn't say he should avoid them - just don't approach them. They might approach you and you'd probably have better luck with women you meet through work or friends. I've tended to have a prejudice against gorgeous people in that I'd think they're more likely to behave in an arrogant way (such as described in the OP). However, men tend to all approach the one gorgeous woman in the room and then bitch about how arrogant she is. Lower your standards a little - I don't mean drop them completely, but hitting on somebody who's more in your league would likely yield better results

py2006

Miss Olenska wrote: »

Again, being a model makes it OK to be rude, and if you're not one you need to take what you can get?

Look, being rude to people isn't cool, no matter what you look like.

Of course it isn't! I am not sure where you are getting that from.

LeeHoffmann

But they don't act like complete divas if a girl they don't fancy approaches them!!

I thought women didn't approach men?

men have to do all the work in terms terms of approaching somebody. Girls just have to sit there

py2006

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I thought women didn't approach men?

Generally speaking I meant! Some do of course!

Its still a bit rare for Irish girls to do it! However, if you go over to Liverpool, Newcastle and parts of the States far more women will make an effort.

Some guys will find that scary as they are not used to it! haha

Miss Olenska

py2006 wrote: »

Of course it isn't! I am not sure where you are getting that from.

Well, you've mentioned it a few times like it would be more acceptable if they were beautiful or something.

And it's an attitude that many rebuffed men have on nights out in this country: "Yer not that fúcking hot" type thing.

py2006

Miss Olenska wrote: »

Well, you've mentioned it a few times like it would be more acceptable if they were beautiful or something.

And it's an attitude that many rebuffed men have on nights out in this country: "Yer not that fúcking hot" type thing.

I didn't say it would be acceptable if they were models. I was referring to the trend of young Irish girls who 'think' they are models because they got dolled up.

Miss Olenska

py2006 wrote: »

I didn't say it would be acceptable if they were models. I was referring to the trend of young Irish girls who 'think' they are models because they got dolled up.

What makes you think they think that? Maybe they just feel they look their best, not that they think they look perfect.

LeeHoffmann

young Irish girls

maybe you should start hitting on women

py2006

Getting back to my point, there is a horrible attitude problem with a significant percentage of Irish girls in their late teens and early to mid twenties. They think its perfectly acceptable to be extremely rude and disrespectful to a guy they don't find attractive. Its not because he is an asshole or groping her on anything like that. It is merely because she doesn't think he is good looking. Which effectively makes him a 'creep'.

I am not talking about the drunken sleaze bags. I am talking about the guys who standing at the bar waiting on his drink and turns and smiles or says hi to the girl beside him and she tuts and turns her back and the guy who says hello but is met with a 'yea right' and then turns and giggles to her mates.

I have seen it countless times.

From my own experience, I was sitting at a table with a group of friends and I noticed that the girl sitting on the table beside me didn't realise her jacket fell off the back of her chair onto the floor. I picked it up and handed it to her only to be met with a dirty look and she shifted her chair away. To be honest, that is my only personal experience of this attitude.

py2006

py2006 wrote: »

Getting back to my point, there is a horrible attitude problem with a significant percentage of Irish girls in their late teens and early to mid twenties.
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From my own experience, I was sitting at a table with a group of friends and I noticed that the girl sitting on the table beside me didn't realise her jacket fell off the back of her chair onto the floor. I picked it up and handed it to her only to be met with a dirty look and she shifted her chair away. To be honest, that is my only personal experience of this attitude.

Come on py, one burn and suddenly it's "a significant % of all irish women"

py2006

bluewolf wrote: »

Come on py, one burn and suddenly it's "a significant % of all irish women teen to mid twenties "

I am not basing it on my experience. I am a bit older so women my age have grown out of this attitude. I am referring to my observations and conversations with the lads.

py2006

py2006 wrote: »

I am not basing it on my experience. I am a bit older so women my age have grown out of this attitude. I am referring to my observations and conversations with the lads.

Maybe they are going to the wrong places
Or maybe they are not behaving as well as they think either
I'm not denying that rude people exist, but that's rude people.

LeeHoffmann

Irish girls in their late teens and early to mid twenties.

What age are you py? I suggest that boys stick to girls and men to women, and that any man who's constantly getting shot down try hitting on women in his own league

LeeHoffmann

Maybe they are going to the wrong places

or hitting on women way out of their league.

py2006

bluewolf wrote: »

Maybe they are going to the wrong places
Or maybe they are not behaving as well as they think either
I'm not denying that rude people exist, but that's rude people.

Perhaps, but where are you going to find pubs and clubs in Ireland were the girls are not Irish and in their early to mid twenties. Should they go abroad?

LeeHoffmann

stop ignoring the obvious point - they should hit on women in their own league (sigh). I'm out