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enno99

meglome wrote: »

And I have no problem believing that this work was done in this case and many others. I worked in the corporate world going back and on a number of occasions I knew of or saw that work was being done at night. They may have cleaned up after themselves but lots of people knew it was happening.

The issue here is not could this work be done but could it be done and no one would know about it. The WTC buildings were basically full, with over 20 thousand people each in WTC 1 and 2. To do a controlled demolition you'd have to expose the structural steel, pre-cut the steel and place shaped charges. You'd need to do this on a lot of columns, on multiple floors and these charges would need miles of cabling to connect them. You'd need a pretty large team to do the work and clean up afterwards, you'd need all the security on side, you'd need to make sure that no one working there at night saw anything. You'd need to make sure that no one saw anything odd being brought in or out of the building. The bottom line is no one saw anything odd, no one is saying there was any mysterious work going on in their office in the middle of the night. You have to believe the large team of people involved were okay with being complicit in the mass murder of their own people. I'm not buying (and that's not even getting into the lack of explosives sounds).

In one breath you say you believe it was done

And then you say it cant be done

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

In one breath you say you believe it was done

And then you say it cant be done

I think you need to reread what I said. I have no issue believing that lots of things could be done in an office at night. The problem is when somehow this considerable amount of work, disguising the damage, hiding the detcord and clean-up wasn't seen or heard of by one single person. Then after the collapses it left no evidence whatsoever. I love a good story but lacking even the most basic evidence that's all this is.

enno99

meglome wrote: »

I think you need to reread what I said. I have no issue believing that lots of things could be done in an office at night. The problem is when somehow this considerable amount of work, disguising the damage, hiding the detcord and clean-up wasn't seen or heard of by one single person. Then after the collapses it left no evidence whatsoever. I love a good story but lacking even the most basic evidence that's all this is.

You said in this case you think it was done
this case being it had to be done in the utmost secrecy and it was accomplished and the story did not surface for almost 20 yrs

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

You said in this case you think it was done
this case being it had to be done in the utmost secrecy and it was accomplished and the story did not surface for almost 20 yrs

You're not listening... people did know even if the story didn't surface. And let's believe for a moment they managed to install all these explosives where did it all disappear to after the collapse?

theboss80

King Mob wrote: »

That a column on a lower floor (9-14, can't remember which) under the east penthouse gave out, collapsing that section and starting a progessive collapse which spread westward taking the rest of the penthouse as the structure beneath it collapse, followed by the outside of the building.

Where did you get that info so specific? Any links to look at/read?

theboss80

theboss80 wrote: »

Where did you get that info so specific? Any links to look at/read?

The NIST report.

enno99

meglome wrote: »

You're not listening... people did know even if the story didn't surface. And let's believe for a moment they managed to install all these explosives where did it all disappear to after the collapse?

The regular tenants of the building did not know and nor did the most of the people of Manhattan

enno99

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah sorry, thats what I was getting at too.

Pretty sure good chunks of the shape charges survive the detonations too if I'm not mistaken?

these look like explosions to you

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

these look like explosions to you

So how come these "explosions" are only visible and audible on this one piece of footage? How come it's not on any of the other videos we've posted showing WCT7 collapse?

It's a clearly faked video.

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King Mob wrote: »

So how come these "explosions" are only visible and audible on this one piece of footage? How come it's not on any of the other videos we've posted showing WCT7 collapse?

It's a clearly faked video.

+1 on that count. That is a really poor fake at that!

Overature

Theres no way those buildings fell down on their own, the trade centers would have had to fall into them or the entire buildings would have had to be on fire

Squirrel

Overature wrote: »

Theres no way those buildings fell down on their own, the trade centers would have had to fall into them or the entire buildings would have had to be on fire

Why is there no way that it fell down on it's own?

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Overature wrote: »

Theres no way those buildings fell down on their own

Which buildings? 7?

Overature wrote: »

the trade centers would have had to fall into them

Debris from one of the towers collpasing fell on building 7 is thats what you are asking.

Overature wrote: »

or the entire buildings would have had to be on fire

The entire building wasnt on fire but numerous floors were. Maybe you would care to elaborate on what you mean

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

The regular tenants of the building did not know and nor did the most of the people of Manhattan

Again.. I agree that most of the tenants may not have known. But you're not listening... in the WTC...

1.. All of the tenants didn't see anything (over 20 thousand each in wtc and 2)
2.. The security didn't see anything.
3.. The janitors didn't see anything.
4.. The management didn't see or know anything.
5.. All remains of the explosives magically disappeared.

enno99

meglome wrote: »

Again.. I agree that most of the tenants may not have known. But you're not listening... in the WTC...

1.. All of the tenants didn't see anything (over 20 thousand each in wtc and 2)
2.. The security didn't see anything.
3.. The janitors didn't see anything.
4.. The management didn't see or know anything.
5.. All remains of the explosives magically disappeared.

So they worked secretly in Citigroup building for three months

All of the tenants didn't see anything
The security didn't see anything
The Janitors didn't see anything
The management knew what was going on
No explosives were being planted

Only your last two points need to be overcome and can be done so quite easily if the management was in on it

So the point that the building can be rigged stands
the issue of what type of explosives is an other matter

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

So they worked secretly in Citigroup building for three months

All of the tenants didn't see anything
The security didn't see anything
The Janitors didn't see anything
The management knew what was going on
No explosives were being planted

Only your last two points need to be overcome and can be done so quite easily if the management was in on it

So the point that the building can be rigged stands
the issue of what type of explosives is an other matter

I'm really not sure you watched that video. They were fixing weaknesses with the building by welding new steel brackets on.

They had 22 welders alone during the week, they had even more at the weekends and god knows how many support staff. They worked every night seven days a week. It does not say the tenants had no idea it was going on, it says the tenants had no idea the scope of the problem they were fixing. They say that "no one except the people who had been told knew exactly what the going on". How many was that 5, 50, 100?
One of the boss men got a call from the New York Times, but when he rang back the paper was on strike. They also say they don't know what they would have done but for the fact most of the newspapers were on strike at the same time. So clearly the newspapers knew all about what they were up to.
Eventually they told everyone what they were fixing just in case a storm came in and caused a failure of the building. It took them at least 8 weeks to do the work and cost $10 million dollars in 1978 (so a crap load today).

So lets see... Citycorp knew, so their managers knew, the architects and engineers of the building knew, the insurance company knew, the security staff would have to know and unless the janitors were blind and deaf they knew, all the welders and support crews knew and finally the newspapers knew.

So you haven't even got past the initial problem of no one knowing, never-mind the massive problem of explaining where are the explosive material and damage from them went to.

Overature

Squirrel wrote: »

Why is there no way that it fell down on it's own?

Well the way I see it, its going to take some massive force for those buildings to fall down, either the trade centers fell into them, a massive fire or outside help. the trade centers fell reletivly straight down, i dont see any major fire in them so i can only assume that they were blown up, either by terrorists or somebody else

whatstherush

Overature wrote: »

Well the way I see it, its going to take some massive force for those buildings to fall down, either the trade centers fell into them, a massive fire or outside help. the trade centers fell reletivly straight down, i dont see any major fire in them so i can only assume that they were blown up, either by terrorists or somebody else

By buildings, I going to assume you mean building 7 cause you reference the trade centres later in your quote which I presume are building one and two.

Overature wrote: »

either the trade centers fell into them

What would you think caused this damage?

Overature wrote: »

a massive fire

What is producing this smoke?

Di0genes

Overature wrote: »

Well the way I see it, its going to take some massive force for those buildings to fall down, either the trade centers fell into them, a massive fire or outside help. the trade centers fell reletivly straight down, i dont see any major fire in them so i can only assume that they were blown up, either by terrorists or somebody else

Massive force like jetliners filled with fuel crashing into the towers at speed?

davoxx

King Mob wrote: »

So how come these "explosions" are only visible and audible on this one piece of footage? How come it's not on any of the other videos we've posted showing WCT7 collapse?

It's a clearly faked video.

King Mob, you seem to be ignoring me on other threads, and i felt lonely after being called a liar, and you not backing it up. i'm sure it will turn out to be some hair splitting issue, but i'm lonely ... i need your 'thousands of tons of explosives to take down WTC7" ideas ...

anyho ...

so King Mob regarding the claims you made on this video, you have proof? hard evidence? (i was sure i asked in other threads ... but got none there ... )

meglome

davoxx wrote: »

King Mob, you seem to be ignoring me on other threads, and i felt lonely after being called a liar, and you not backing it up. i'm sure it will turn out to be some hair splitting issue, but i'm lonely ... i need your 'thousands of tons of explosives to take down WTC7" ideas ...

anyho ...

so King Mob regarding the claims you made on this video, you have proof? hard evidence? (i was sure i asked in other threads ... but got none there ... )

I've made point after point to you, I've asked question after question and you haven't addressed a single one. Get off that high horse.

davoxx

meglome wrote: »

I've made point after point to you, I've asked question after question and you haven't addressed a single one. Get off that high horse.

defending you comrade? i've replied to your posts on thread, point after point after same point again after same point yet again...


he made a claim here i asked him to prove it ..
you know he won't
i know he won't
he knows he won't

so what high horse?

enno99

meglome wrote: »

I'm really not sure you watched that video. They were fixing weaknesses with the building by welding new steel brackets on.

Yes I watched it

I will rephrase what I said


All of the tenants didn't see anything that would alarm them
The security didn't see anything that would alarm them
The Janitors didn't see anything that would alarm them
The management knew what was going on and the full extent of the danger
No explosives were being planted

Works being carried out in the wtc complex rewiring of broadband /repairing of elevators /replacing fireproofing/maintenance work etc and lets not forget moving companies (legit or otherwise)
I can see loads of possibilities[/COLOR]

They had 22 welders alone during the week, they had even more at the weekends and god knows how many support staff. They worked every night seven days a week. It does not say the tenants had no idea it was going on, it says the tenants had no idea the scope of the problem they were fixing. They say that "no one except the people who had been told knew exactly what the going on". How many was that 5, 50, 100?

Then what reason would they have to carry out this at night and in secret ?
If the tenants knew work had to be done but not the extent of it

One of the boss men got a call from the New York Times, but when he rang back the paper was on strike. They also say they don't know what they would have done but for the fact most of the newspapers were on strike at the same time. So clearly the newspapers knew all about what they were up to.

3 newspapers were on strike Times/news/post
What about all the rest and the TV stations etc
So as you suggest all the news knew the full extent of the crisis why was it not reported as such

Because they were lied to

In a Wall Street Journal interview Henry DeFord III, Citicorp Senior Vice President responsible for the corporation’s building operations, explained “engineers have assured the bank that the building isn’t in any danger. The work is being done ‘to anticipate the impossible that might happen.’ ”27

Contacted by the New York Daily News, DeFord elaborated:

As it is, the building could withstand a one-hundred-year wind. . . .We are a very
cautious organization—we wear both belts and suspenders here. We dont [sic] want people concerned, so we sent out a press release announcing the work.28

Although the highest wind speed ever recorded in Manhattan was 113mph, later in the same August 9, 1978 Daily News story, Acting Building Commissioner Blaise Parascandola used his position of public trust to further the deception by observing, “of course it’s improbable, but there’s always the chance of winds up to 150mph, which. . .could break bolts. This way we’ll be safe.”29[/COLOR]

Eventually they told everyone what they were fixing just in case a storm came in and caused a failure of the building. It took them at least 8 weeks to do the work and cost $10 million dollars in 1978 (so a crap load today).

Again why not employ as many welders as you need to complete the job in a shorter period

So lets see... Citycorp knew, so their managers knew, the architects and engineers of the building knew, the insurance company knew, the security staff would have to know and unless the janitors were blind and deaf they knew, all the welders and support crews knew and finally the newspapers knew.

Elaborate emergency evacuation plans were developed not only for the Citicorp tower, but also for 156 city blocks32 in the neighborhood of what was then the seventh tallest building in the world. These events took place during mid- and late summer, the hurricane season, when the greatest threat of structural failure inducing wind speeds existed. The plans were kept secret from the general public, from other property owners, and tens of thousands of residents, shop and office workers, and others in the neighborhood who were to be informed only if a hurricane were bearing down on New York. “A Red Cross estimate indicated that if the building collapsed, up to 200,000 people could lose their lives.”33

The autonomy of other stakeholders was denied by the paternalistic behavior to which LeMessurier, Stubbins, Citicorp officers, Red Cross, city officials and a host of others were party. Speaking at M.I.T. on November 17, 1995, LeMessurier told his audience of faculty members and engineering students at a videotaped Mechanical Engineering Colloquium:

We had to cook up a line of bull, I’ll tell you. And white lies at this point are entirely moral. You don’t want to spread terror in the community to people who don’t need to be terrorized. We were terrorized, no question about that.34

So you haven't even got past the initial problem of no one knowing, never-mind the massive problem of explaining where are the explosive material and damage from them went to

.

So everyone knew what they were told
But what your told is not always the truth

http://www.crosscurrents.org/kremer2002.htm

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

So everyone knew what they were told
But what your told is not always the truth

http://www.crosscurrents.org/kremer2002.htm

Too tired to go through all of this but..

Elaborate emergency evacuation plans were developed not only for the Citicorp tower, but also for 156 city blocks32 in the neighborhood of what was then the seventh tallest building in the world. These events took place during mid- and late summer, the hurricane season, when the greatest threat of structural failure inducing wind speeds existed. The plans were kept secret from the general public, from other property owners, and tens of thousands of residents, shop and office workers, and others in the neighborhood who were to be informed only if a hurricane were bearing down on New York. “A Red Cross estimate indicated that if the building collapsed, up to 200,000 people could lose their lives.”33

The autonomy of other stakeholders was denied by the paternalistic behavior to which LeMessurier, Stubbins, Citicorp officers, Red Cross, city officials and a host of others were party. Speaking at M.I.T. on November 17, 1995, LeMessurier told his audience of faculty members and engineering students at a videotaped Mechanical Engineering Colloquium:

We had to cook up a line of bull, I’ll tell you. And white lies at this point are entirely moral. You don’t want to spread terror in the community to people who don’t need to be terrorized. We were terrorized, no question about that.34

Em you've just listed off a load of people who knew what was going on. The newspapers knew what was going on.

If you were trying to make my point for me, you did. Thanks.

davoxx wrote: »

defending you comrade? i've replied to your posts on thread, point after point after same point again after same point yet again...


he made a claim here i asked him to prove it ..
you know he won't
i know he won't
he knows he won't

so what high horse?

I don't like to insult people online, in person I have no issue though.

davoxx

meglome wrote: »

I don't like to insult people online, in person I have no issue though.

good for you.
i have no problem debating but seems you just want to insult people.

though i take every stupid thing you say to me as an insult.
so can you stop saying them?

davoxx

King Mob wrote: »

It's called the Socratic method.

ah so that's why you mentioned lasers and thousands of tons of explosives.
but let me ask you why did you mention it rather than not actually debunking what was said?

enno99

meglome wrote: »

Em you've just listed off a load of people who knew what was going on. The newspapers knew what was going on.

Nah the newspapers were lied to read the post

Early in the repair process, the owner knowingly issued a grossly misleading statement to the press obscuring the reality of the threat the building posed to the public health, safety, and welfare. LeMessurier was not only aware of the false public statement, he had supplied the kernel of truth regarding new data on marginally higher likely wind speeds that was then spuriously used as the explanation for the remedial welding of two-inch-thick by six-foot-long steel plates over hundreds of bolted joints in the structural frame.26

The emergency services /police /redcross they knew
(Im presuming the top brass not the rank and file )
Seems they took the side of Citicorp and not the citizens they are paid to protect
Also these people did not work in the building

So could explosives be planted under the guise of normal building work renovations etc.without causing the workers in the buildings any need for concern Yes/No

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

Nah the newspapers were lied to read the post

Early in the repair process, the owner knowingly issued a grossly misleading statement to the press obscuring the reality of the threat the building posed to the public health, safety, and welfare. LeMessurier was not only aware of the false public statement, he had supplied the kernel of truth regarding new data on marginally higher likely wind speeds that was then spuriously used as the explanation for the remedial welding of two-inch-thick by six-foot-long steel plates over hundreds of bolted joints in the structural frame.26

The emergency services /police /redcross they knew
(Im presuming the top brass not the rank and file )
Seems they took the side of Citicorp and not the citizens they are paid to protect
Also these people did not work in the building

So could explosives be planted under the guise of normal building work renovations etc.without causing the workers in the buildings any need for concern Yes/No

So let's see then how many people have come forward from the thousands that would need to be involved to cover up the many many aspects of 911 that are seemingly a CT. None - zip - nada.

How many knew about the Citycorp building

The autonomy of other stakeholders was denied by the paternalistic behavior to which LeMessurier, Stubbins, Citicorp officers, Red Cross, city officials and a host of others were party.

The newspapers did find out as they rang them about it. This could easily be hundreds of people and you're using it to prove people wouldn't know. Again you have proved my point for me.

davoxx

meglome wrote: »

So let's see then how many people have come forward from the thousands that would need to be involved to cover up the many many aspects of 911 that are seemingly a CT. None - zip - nada.

from the trillions needed you say???
i was sure there were at least a few, but they were sent off to iraq to fight a war against Osama Bin Laden.

meglome wrote: »

How many knew about the Citycorp building

the actual building? has a plane not flown into it yet?

meglome wrote: »

The newspapers did find out as they rang them about it. This could easily be hundreds of people and you're using it to prove people wouldn't know. Again you have proved my point for me.

of course people won't know, it's not like they've gone out and read reports before basing their conclusion on evidence. can't someone just find the evidence for them? better still they can tell them what to think, means you have to do less.....

look this NCT has been proven, i know it, you know it, let those crazies people who look at evidence go on their way ... it's not like they might stumble on something that us NCTs need to watch their every move and point out that it would take tons, thousands of tons to take down WTC7, the NIST report nearly messed that up, but thankfully we did not read, there was no need, Bush told us immediately after 911 how it happened and who did it ,... iraq,

so see meglome, no need for you to come here, i've got them covered ... they won't be allowed to make an argument, because we have the proof!!! we just don't want to show it to them.

enno99

meglome wrote: »

So let's see then how many people have come forward from the thousands that would need to be involved to cover up the many many aspects of 911 that are seemingly a CT. None - zip - nada.

How many knew about the Citycorp building


The newspapers did find out as they rang them about it. This could easily be hundreds of people and you're using it to prove people wouldn't know. Again you have proved my point for me.

The most basic question isn't asked, how could they have done this? Over twenty thousand people working in a full building and not one sees anything whatsoever amiss.

That was the original question

By the time people actually thought of walking into the building
it was back clean and normal and every body was working again no smell of welding no one no one except the people who had been told understood exactly what was going on

Arthur Nusbaum

Project Manager


So could explosives be planted under the guise of normal building work renovations etc.without causing the workers in the buildings any need for concern Yes/No thats the question im asking


The rest just goes to show how a bank can get Police /fire service/red cross /mayor and whoever to go along with their lies

6.15 -8.40 the reporter tells how he was lied to also the red cross had to use the members of a citicorp members church to do their survey

In relation to the phone call from the new york times reporter what was he calling about ?
Remember the architects wife took the call and he got an answering service when he returned the call

Im not disputing the papers knew there was work going on in the building But they did not the full extent of the crisis

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

Im not disputing the papers knew there was work going on in the building But they did not the full extent of the crisis

You keep proving my point. In this instance they were covering up repairs to the building. And even at that it's likely that dozens if not hundreds of people knew what they were really doing. So many people eventually found out that they had announce it publicly after a few weeks.

LeMessurier, Stubbins, Citicorp officers, Red Cross, city officials and a host of others were party.

So these people covered up repairs and it came out within weeks. With 911 you think people covered up the mass murder of their own people and after ten years not one person speaks out or hears about it. You've convinced me even more that covering up 911 to anything like the scale the CT's believe wasn't possible.

enno99

meglome wrote: »

You keep proving my point. In this instance they were covering up repairs to the building. And even at that it's likely that dozens if not hundreds of people knew what they were really doing. So many people eventually found out that they had announce it publicly after a few weeks.



So these people covered up repairs and it came out within weeks. With 911 you think people covered up the mass murder of their own people and after ten years not one person speaks out or hears about it. You've convinced me even more that covering up 911 to anything like the scale the CT's believe wasn't possible.

lets simplify it

The most basic question isn't asked, how could they have done this? Over twenty thousand people working in a full building and not one sees anything whatsoever amiss (Your original question)

By the time people actually thought of walking into the building
it was back clean and normal and every body was working again no smell of welding no one no one except the people who had been told understood exactly what was going on

Arthur Nusbaum

Project Manager

Given the above statement form the project manager

Do you think explosives could be planted under the guise of normal building work renovations etc.without causing the workers in the buildings any need for concern Yes or No

davoxx

meglome wrote: »

You keep proving my point. In this instance they were covering up repairs to the building. And even at that it's likely that dozens if not hundreds of people knew what they were really doing. So many people eventually found out that they had announce it publicly after a few weeks.

why would they repair a building before a plane flew into it and then cover it up?
and how are you so sure that it ranges from dozens to hundreds? are you speculation?
are you speculating with no facts?

someone once said "In many fields people hypothesize (speculate) on lots of things, whether it be in science or the courts or wherever. But to be taken remotely seriously you have to prove it, provide evidence. You can't prove anything, not a damn thing so unsurprisingly some of us are not taking you seriously."

it would be ironic to find out that you were speculating without evidence ...

so evidence please of the man power required.

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

lets simplify it

The most basic question isn't asked, how could they have done this? Over twenty thousand people working in a full building and not one sees anything whatsoever amiss (Your original question)

Indeed and you keep proving that while just doing some repair work lots of people knew and it all came out - that's exactly the opposite of what you are claiming for 911. That was just repair work. How much faster if would come out if it was the mass murder of their own people. What kind of people do you think would go along with that.

I have no idea why you can't see that using an example where it all came out, easily and quickly to prove secrecy is ridiculous.

davoxx

meglome wrote: »

Indeed and you keep proving that while just doing some repair work lots of people knew and it all came out - that's exactly the opposite of what you are claiming for 911. That was just repair work. How much faster if would come out if it was the mass murder of their own people. What kind of people do you think would go along with that.

I have no idea why you can't see that using an example where it all came out, easily and quickly to prove secrecy is ridiculous.

speculating without evidence ... is that not the exact same thing that you are against ...

where is the evidence regarding man power?

are you ignoring me because you can't answer the question? :pac:

enno99

meglome wrote: »

Indeed and you keep proving that while just doing some repair work lots of people knew and it all came out - that's exactly the opposite of what you are claiming for 911. That was just repair work. How much faster if would come out if it was the mass murder of their own people. What kind of people do you think would go along with that.

I have no idea why you can't see that using an example where it all came out, easily and quickly to prove secrecy is ridiculous.

I dont know I think the only thing I have proved is your inability or unwillingness to answer a straight question that I have asked 3 times


Maybe you would like to hold someones hand while you are answering it

You know like Bush and Cheney

enno99

meglome wrote: »

Indeed and you keep proving that while just doing some repair work lots of people knew and it all came out - that's exactly the opposite of what you are claiming for 911. That was just repair work. How much faster if would come out if it was the mass murder of their own people. What kind of people do you think would go along with that.

I have no idea why you can't see that using an example where it all came out, easily and quickly to prove secrecy is ridiculous.

Your total lack of comprehension of the world and the people inhabiting it is amazing

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

If you get time have a read and see what people will go along with

As for my earlier post ignore it I really dont care whether you think its possible or not

enno99

@ Davoxx and Ramocc

It was nice to see King Mob /Diogenes /Meglome get a taste of thier own medicine


While some of their points do have merit
The above posters inane questions/ psyco babble bullsh!t(probably the wrong term but you know what I mean)and rewording of questions whatever don,t help the flow of the thread thats just my opinion

While the other posters are in no way inferior in logic or intellect

I think it sometimes makes them walk away shaking their heads or say something to get banned which is tragic especially in the case of Brown Bomber who I think is one of the most knowledgeable on the Israel /Palestine issue and who would have a great input into the forum at this particular time

So again I enjoyed your posts
Thanks for your input

meglome

enno99 wrote: »

Your total lack of comprehension of the world and the people inhabiting it is amazing

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

If you get time have a read and see what people will go along with

As for my earlier post ignore it I really dont care whether you think its possible or not

You'll notice where I repeatedly said 'mass murder of their own people". Also I fear you don't see that showing more examples that we know about is proving the opposite that you claim about 911. i.e. secrecy.

enno99 wrote: »

@ Davoxx and Ramocc

It was nice to see King Mob /Diogenes /Meglome get a taste of thier own medicine


While some of their points do have merit
The above posters inane questions/ psyco babble bullsh!t(probably the wrong term but you know what I mean)and rewording of questions whatever don,t help the flow of the thread thats just my opinion

While the other posters are in no way inferior in logic or intellect

A taste of our own medicine, huh? We keep asking for evidence and getting opinion. You and your new buddies have shown a complete lack of understanding of how an investigation or court of law works. We've got the very detailed NIST reports, complied over years by hundreds of top professionals. We have also many other sources. I've yet to see any of you supply relevant evidence for anything. Even the video that precipitated this thread is very long on opinion and speculation and completely lacking in evidence.

enno99 wrote: »

I think it sometimes makes them walk away shaking their heads or say something to get banned which is tragic especially in the case of Brown Bomber who I think is one of the most knowledgeable on the Israel /Palestine issue and who would have a great input into the forum at this particular time

So again I enjoyed your posts
Thanks for your input

The rules are here for everyone and every time I've gotten infracted in here I earned it.

davoxx

enno99 wrote: »

@ Davoxx and Ramocc

It was nice to see King Mob /Diogenes /Meglome get a taste of thier own medicine


While some of their points do have merit

while i can't speak for Ramocc, I can speak for Davoxx.

You're welcome, and i look forward to having some good discussions/debating with you.

davoxx

meglome wrote: »

You'll notice where I repeatedly said 'mass murder of their own people". Also I fear you don't see that showing more examples that we know about is proving the opposite that you claim about 911. i.e. secrecy.

so it's okay if it's not their own people, like Iraqis?
so there are no examples of secrecy? i thought Ramocc gave some history lessons, but you forgot about them.
claiming that "someone" would have come forward is not evidence, it's an assumption, with no proof.

but lets look at this logically, right, if someone did come forward, you'd be the first to write him off.
and those that can't be written off, generally have a way of finding quick unexplained deaths, that then get written of.

that would explain why 'no-one' has come forward.

meglome wrote: »

A taste of our own medicine, huh?

not really, medicine is generally good for you :P

meglome wrote: »

We keep asking for evidence and getting opinion.

so did we

meglome wrote: »

You and your new buddies have shown a complete lack of understanding of how an investigation or court of law works.

no we didn't, you just can't grasp it.
besides we are not in court.

Ramocc made several good points that you countered with rubbish (perhaps that you did not understand it).

meglome wrote: »

We've got the very detailed NIST reports, complied over years by hundreds of top professionals.

WHICH YOU DID NOT READ LET ALONE UNDERSTAND.
that was in capitals as you forgot to mention that none of you guys actually read it.
just because they are professionals, does not mean they are right, one has to read it to make sure and then give weight to the report based on the background of the professionals.

but step one is reading it!!

meglome wrote: »

We have also many other sources.

no you don't otherwise you would have shown them when asked ..

meglome wrote: »

I've yet to see any of you supply relevant evidence for anything.

ok if you really believe it ... i can't force you to open you eyes and read it ... (just like the NIST report)

but i guess this all boils down to that you don't understand evidence.

meglome wrote: »

Even the video that precipitated this thread is very long on opinion and speculation and completely lacking in evidence.

did you actually watch it? or did you form an opinion based on preconception?