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Gardai abuse of the rules of the road

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭CountingCrows


    Lisa: If you're the police, who will police the police?

    Homer: I dunno. Coast Guard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭orangebud


    when Gardai in Galway see red light there lights go on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Before you can get behind the wheel of a Garda car you have to have a full drivers licence, clean record and pass a test. You are exempt from many parts of the road traffic acts while in the course of your duty with the notable exceptions of Drink Driving and Dangerous Drving. Some Gardaí may take the piss and some are genuine. You have no way of knowing just by looking at them. In my experience there is almost always a valid reason when a Garda breaks the rules of the road.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Before you can get behind the wheel of a Garda car you have to have a full drivers licence, clean record and pass a test

    Not true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Rawhead wrote: »
    Not true.

    Which part?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    What test does a Garda need to pass before driving a Garda car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭source


    27.—Requirements under the Road Traffic Acts 1961 to 2004 relating to vehicles and requirements, restrictions and prohibitions relating to the driving and use of vehicles, other than those provided under sections 49 and 50 (inserted by sections 10 and 11, respectively, of the Act of 1994), 51A and 52 (inserted by sections 49 and 50, respectively, of the Act of 1968) and 53 of the Principal Act and sections 12, 13, 14 and 15 of the Act of 1994, do not apply to a driver of a fire brigade vehicle, an ambulance or the use by a member of the Garda Síochána of a vehicle in the performance of the duties of that member or a person driving or using a vehicle under the direction of a member of the Garda Síochána, where such use does not endanger the safety of road users.

    This tells us that Gardai, Ambulance and Fire are exempt from all Road Traffic Legislation when on duty except, for Drunk driving, careless driving and dangerous driving.

    This means they are allowed to drive in bus lanes, without seatbelts, talking on the phone at 100mph if it doesn't put anybody in danger.

    Also don't presume that a car going past you with lights and sirens on that then shuts them off and goes into the petrol station is just doing it to get their sandwich and tea faster. Gardai often get jobs cancelled because another unit has made it to the scene of an incident faster, or enough cars are on scene so other units are stood down. If this happens emergency equipment are shut off and the driver resumes what he was doing before he got the call.

    People think that Gardai use the lights and sirens for jollies, the fact of the matter is the truck loads of paper work and investigations that happen if a crash was to happen through falsely using the emergency equipment make it simply not worth it. Sure there'll be some who just don't care, but as has been pointed out in this thread already you shouldn't tar a whole organisation with the same brush because of the actions of a few.

    The only people who know what is actually happening when a car is using lights and sirens are the members of AGS who are in the car and the members in the control room. Lets stop the idle speculation, and look at these scenarios with some common sense. As Bosco boy said earlier, "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Rawhead wrote: »
    What test does a Garda need to pass before driving a Garda car?

    Test was the wrong word. It's an assessment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭deadwood


    Rawhead wrote: »
    What test does a Garda need to pass before driving a Garda car?
    Driving up the bus lane while yapping on the phone is a basic requirement.

    All this talk of coffee stops exposes those who know absolutely nothing about policing in Ireland. Real guards drink tae.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Test was the wrong word. It's an assessment.

    That's no problem. I'm not having a go here, if you saw my original post you'll know that. That assessment mentioned above is not a rule.
    A Garda doesn't need a drivers license.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0038.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭source


    Rawhead wrote: »
    That's no problem. I'm not having a go here, if you saw my original post you'll know that. That assessment mentioned above is not a rule.
    A Garda doesn't need a drivers license.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0038.html

    Legally you're right, but internally you will not be permitted to drive without a full clean licence, If you get points on your licence your permission to drive can be taken away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭kingtut


    deadwood wrote: »
    All this talk of coffee stops exposes those who know absolutely nothing about policing in Ireland. Real guards drink tae.

    Utter nonsense! They might not be very good at driving but they certainly no a classy drink when they see one! Coffee ftw! If you see a guard with tea then it's not a real guard :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Some Gardaí may take the piss and some are genuine. You have no way of knowing just by looking at them. In my experience there is almost always a valid reason when a Garda breaks the rules of the road.

    The problem is that nearly everyone has seen a Garda driver taking the p!ss, with such high profile vehicles and their job they should be leading by example. If ordinary drivers see the Gardaí constantly flouting the laws of the land why would they bother themselves since they know that once the don't speed or DUI there's little chance of getting caught. We need zero tolerance on the roads and that should start with the enforcers.

    source wrote: »
    This tells us that Gardai, Ambulance and Fire are exempt from all Road Traffic Legislation when on duty except, for Drunk driving, careless driving and dangerous driving.

    This means they are allowed to drive in bus lanes, without seatbelts, talking on the phone at 100mph if it doesn't put anybody in danger.

    I've no idea which world you live on but any car driving at 100mph in a bus lane is putting people in danger and the fact that you use this as an example shows how little our Gardaí lovers know of the dangers they create.

    Also there is no safe way to drive on the phone, numerous studies have proven it so why do our Gardaí think they are somehow able to do this safely? Since posters here are saying they are sending important information then surely they can't be 100% concentrating on driving if they are reporting crucial information.
    source wrote: »
    Also don't presume that a car going past you with lights and sirens on that then shuts them off and goes into the petrol station is just doing it to get their sandwich and tea faster. Gardai often get jobs cancelled because another unit has made it to the scene of an incident faster, or enough cars are on scene so other units are stood down. If this happens emergency equipment are shut off and the driver resumes what he was doing before he got the call.

    People think that Gardai use the lights and sirens for jollies, the fact of the matter is the truck loads of paper work and investigations that happen if a crash was to happen through falsely using the emergency equipment make it simply not worth it. Sure there'll be some who just don't care, but as has been pointed out in this thread already you shouldn't tar a whole organisation with the same brush because of the actions of a few.

    Would people not panic more if a car comes racing up behind them at high speed and bullies them off the road. The blues and twos are there for a reason to warn other road users to clear a path for an emergency and since all our Gardaí are highly trained Advanced drivers surely they should be ready for cars stopping in stupid places.

    The problem is that everyone knows Gardaí who abuse their powers yet no one in the force is willing to take a stand. If there's one bad apple they should be dealt with before the whole barrel rots, but it's too late as the Gardaí always stand behind each other and aren't open to criticism as this thread is showing.
    source wrote: »
    The only people who know what is actually happening when a car is using lights and sirens are the members of AGS who are in the car and the members in the control room. Lets stop the idle speculation, and look at these scenarios with some common sense. As Bosco boy said earlier, "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing".


    How is driving at high speed on a phone ever justified? If it's dangerous for me it's just as dangerous for a Garda in a badly/poorly maintained high mileage vehicle.

    Yes the Gardaí do a sh!tty job and deal with scum all the time, but they applied to do it and had a tough interview and training process to become qualified. Yet they don't seem to realise that they should be leading by example, look at most other Western police forces and you don't see them doing any of the stuff we regularly see the Gardaí up to.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    source wrote: »
    Legally you're right, but internally you will not be permitted to drive without a full clean licence, If you get points on your licence your permission to drive can be taken away.

    I actually did research my original point and the lad involved didn't have a license but he was not on duty (he was attending court) nor was he allowed to drive an official vehicle. I know that they are not going to allow someone with no license or experience drive an official car, my point was that they could.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    I asked about the driving test as I saw a comment on a page way way back. I didn't want to ask the question until I had read the entire thread.

    So to clarify, The Irish Statute Book states that Garda do not need a licence to drive a patrol car. They have to of passed their driving test tho, don't they?:eek:

    If they don't need to of passed test then that book seriously needs updating!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Grr I hate Gardai. Grrrrr....Knuckle drag. Wish I was a Garda Grr knuckle drag. Insert stupid question. Grrr.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Well at least one of youse is talking through their back passage -now which of you is it ?

    I have a sexy bottom ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭deadwood


    kingtut wrote: »
    Utter nonsense! They might not be very good at driving but they certainly no a classy drink when they see one! Coffee ftw! If you see a guard with tea then it's not a real guard :cool:
    Point proven!
    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Snakeblood wrote: »
    Because the laws of the land should apply to all the people in the land equally except where explicitly stated.


    no no no.... its obvious.... the guards / ambulance / fire service need to be exempt from some laws...


    you cant park on a double yellow line or speed, right??

    if you were having a heart attack, should the ambulance driver en route to you stick to the speed limit, get close to your house and look for a parking space, or should he get to you fast, and stop on double yellow lines if neccessary?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    0O7 wrote: »
    no no no.... its obvious.... the guards / ambulance / fire service need to be exempt from some laws...


    you cant park on a double yellow line or speed, right??

    if you were having a heart attack, should the ambulance driver en route to you stick to the speed limit, get close to your house and look for a parking space, or should he get to you fast, and stop on double yellow lines if neccessary?

    Can you read what I wrote there and see how it might apply to the situation you are describing? Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,058 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Before you can get behind the wheel of a Garda car you have to have a full drivers licence, clean record and pass a test. You are exempt from many parts of the road traffic acts while in the course of your duty with the notable exceptions of Drink Driving and Dangerous Drving. Some Gardaí may take the piss and some are genuine. You have no way of knowing just by looking at them. In my experience there is almost always a valid reason when a Garda breaks the rules of the road.

    As a matter of interest could you state what sanctions are taken by the Garda authorities if a Garda is in the wrong in an accident please ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Who the hell said gardaí shouldn't be allowed to have lunch? Youare simply being disingenuous. Of course Gardaí should be able to lunch, and even sh*t, BUT this does not mean they should be allowed to 'bend' the very rules they are charged with enforcing. I have seen squad cars with sirens on come blasting along the quays in Cork only to stop for lunch at the Garda club. That is an abuse of the system for which there is no justification.


    thats a lie anyway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Snakeblood wrote: »
    Can you read what I wrote there and see how it might apply to the situation you are describing? Thanks!


    i read it again, still sounds stupid tho??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Very few of them, if any? Have received advance high speed pursuit driver training. Yet all can take part in a high speed pursuit if they wish, despite not being qualified to do so.


    thats also wrong...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    0O7 wrote: »
    i read it again, still sounds stupid tho??

    Then your reading comprehension is pretty bad.

    It says that Gardai should have to obey the rules of the road, and this is the important bit, except where it's explicitly legislated that they don't have to. So for instance, if there's an emergency situation, it might be legislated that in the emergency situation, the Garda has the right to act in a way that they would not otherwise be allowed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    As a matter of interest could you state what sanctions are taken by the Garda authorities if a Garda is in the wrong in an accident please ?

    Serious accidents are investigated by the Ombudsman. The sanctions would depend on the level of culpability and wrongdoing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    deadwood wrote: »
    Driving up the bus lane while yapping on the phone is a basic requirement.

    All this talk of coffee stops exposes those who know absolutely nothing about policing in Ireland. Real guards drink tae.


    ok so, you try working until 6am, then drive home for an hour, sleep, get up, drive an hour and be back in work for 2pm the same day....

    see if you want a cup of coffee then...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Snakeblood wrote: »
    Then your reading comprehension is pretty bad.

    It says that Gardai should have to obey the rules of the road, and this is the important bit, except where it's explicitly legislated that they don't have to. So for instance, if there's an emergency situation, it might be legislated that in the emergency situation, the Garda has the right to act in a way that they would not otherwise be allowed.


    but thats the way its happening atm.... but people presume they are just using it as a perk, and not where its "explicitly legislated"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Clogsworth


    hondasam wrote: »
    It must really drive you nuts when they get themselves and friends of speeding fines.
    If you got done for speeding and a friend offered to get you off, what would you say?

    They can't do that anymore. Since the PULSE system was put in all offences are logged on a computer so its not a case of just ripping up a ticket. Only the super-indendant in a station can remove them from the system and from what I hear from people I know who are guards that doesn't happen. If your caught, your caught, no matter who you know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Snakeblood wrote: »
    Yeah, but in order to be exempt from a particular law, the gardai should be exempted explicitly from that law. It shouldn't be just open to interpretation. As far as I'm aware, Gardai aren't allowed go down the bus lane to get to the shops, unless someone is robbing those shops.

    And you are 100% sure that they were not going to a report of theft from this shop and while there did the unreasonable thing of perhaps buying a coffee? as for talking on the mobile, they use them to contact the station and PULSE on a regular basis while driving to check reg plates on vehicles and to check details of people, incidents, etc. They are exempt from the law so are not doing anything illegal. I would rather that they are able to patrol regularly using bus lanes, etc because they see more of an area and spot crime much quicker than they will stuck at the lights.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,058 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Clogsworth wrote: »
    They can't do that anymore. Since the PULSE system was put in all offences are logged on a computer so its not a case of just ripping up a ticket. Only the super-indendant in a station can remove them from the system and from what I hear from people I know who are guards that doesn't happen. If your caught, your caught, no matter who you know.

    Is discretion now a thing of the past ? If so i think its not good if a garda can't make a lad get a new tyre and produce it on the car without taking him to court too, especially in these times of recession.
    It seems to be all about generating money for the government coffers now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    I past by a gardai car parked on a double line just in front of a T junction bend - saw him coming out of a shop with a sausage roll and coffee...just pised me off. If I was to have gone up to him, I'd probably be accused of "being smart or cheeky"

    He may possibly have been on shift for hours without a break for all you know ( criminals are very inconsiderate and don't stop so there can be official break times ) and didn't want to be stuck in a queue for ages and the sooner he eats the sooner hes back on the street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,058 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And you are 100% sure that they were not going to a report of theft from this shop and while there did the unreasonable thing of perhaps buying a coffee? as for talking on the mobile, they use them to contact the station and PULSE on a regular basis while driving to check reg plates on vehicles and to check details of people, incidents, etc. They are exempt from the law so are not doing anything illegal. I would rather that they are able to patrol regularly using bus lanes, etc because they see more of an area and spot crime much quicker than they will stuck at the lights.

    So the Garda are allowed to drive in the buslane all the time !!!!
    If so the whole thread was pointless all along. Bloody brilliant waste of time posting on something that's legal !!!! Why bother starting threads which are pointless OP or were you just having a go as suspected ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    cladda1112 wrote: »
    only last week a garda car pass me out at speed on a white line. As the traffic was bad ahead i managed to catch up again and when we got to the town they parked outside an eating house in town behind another police car on yellow lines. An hr later on my way home i passed the hotel pub again to see them all come out and get in to their cars. Would mind but my brother was caught last week for passing out a tractor on the same stretch of road. Only place in abut 2 miles that you can pass out safe.

    Possibly they were responding to an incident at the premises seeing as there were two cars present?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    I have a sexy bottom ;)

    Photo please !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    blindsider wrote: »
    You avoided my question.

    My point is that taxis use mobiles safely - Gardai, it seems do not. No bluetooth should = no useage.

    I would again query taxi drivers being 'allowed' to use mobiles whist driving - I do not think that this is legally correct.

    Gardai ring each other on their phones on a regular basis as the asiest most reliable way to get in contact quickly with each other particularly when have serious queries regarding work. Would you rather that one of them following up the committing a crime involving you as the victim had nothing done about it because someone with something important in relation to it couldn't pass it on because they were not allowed answer the phone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    blindsider wrote: »
    See my earlier post - TETRA is their comms network. No reason for mobiles to be used in car. You took my post a bit out of context.

    So you are totally aware of the availability and consistency of the tetra radio network? How easy it is to use to make calls?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Is discretion now a thing of the past ? If so i think its not good if a garda can't make a lad get a new tyre and produce it on the car without taking him to court too, especially in these times of recession.
    It seems to be all about generating money for the government coffers now.

    Discretion on that tyre kind of thing is still allowed, though the incident will be logged on PULSE, speeding fines however go directly into the system and cannot be taken out again so to say they get people off is hyperbole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Since the average IQ of a garda is much lower than the average person, so they need to put all their limited intelligence into concentrating on the road.

    I'll gladly compare my IQ to yours any day. How about we start with the ability to construct a proper sentence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭De Hipster


    Gardai ring each other on their phones on a regular basis as the asiest most reliable way to get in contact quickly with each other particularly when have serious queries regarding work. Would you rather that one of them following up the committing a crime involving you as the victim had nothing done about it because someone with something important in relation to it couldn't pass it on because they were not allowed answer the phone?

    Hands free, bluetooth, voice recognition many options available that the rest of us mere mortals are obliged to invest in and use - no rocket science required.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    And you are 100% sure that they were not going to a report of theft from this shop and while there did the unreasonable thing of perhaps buying a coffee? as for talking on the mobile, they use them to contact the station and PULSE on a regular basis while driving to check reg plates on vehicles and to check details of people, incidents, etc. They are exempt from the law so are not doing anything illegal. I would rather that they are able to patrol regularly using bus lanes, etc because they see more of an area and spot crime much quicker than they will stuck at the lights.

    I'm talking about a theoretical example where someone is going to the shops. In this theoretical example (because I haven't cited any real world ones) they shouldn't be allowed break the law. So to answer your question, I'm perfectly certain there isn't a report of theft because I made it up.

    Jesus wept.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    De Hipster wrote: »
    Hands free, bluetooth, voice recognition many options available that the rest of us mere mortals are obliged to invest in and use - no rocket science required.

    You probably use the same phone and car every time you drive though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭De Hipster


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    You probably use the same phone and car every time you drive though.

    Actually no.

    It seems there are just so many reasons to flout the law ...very few justifications as to why the force should actually respect & abide by the laws they enforce & lead by example - many gardai (I know) are compliant with the law as far as possible but some individuals just seem to be corrupt & happy in the assumption they are above the law completely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    De Hipster wrote: »
    Actually no.

    It seems there are just so many reasons to flout the law ...very few justifications as to why the force should actually respect & abide by the laws they enforce & lead by example - many gardai (I know) are compliant with the law as far as possible but some individuals just seem to be corrupt & happy in the assumption they are above the law completely.

    There could be forty Gardaí assigned to a station. I'm not aware of any bluetooth kits that can be paired with forty devices.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭PennyLane88


    Ah sure whats new. I remember a few months ago i was driving along a road that had a 60km limit - i stuck to it as the road is notorious for having speed cameras. Some ejit was tail-gating me, nearly had his headlights in my back seat, they then over-took me on a double continous line, who was it only the guards.

    A few mintues later i spotted them at the drive through of Supermacs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭De Hipster


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    There could be forty Gardaí assigned to a station. I'm not aware of any bluetooth kits that can be paired with forty devices.

    Universal bluetooth kits or units which will accept sim cards for the purposes of the shift...

    Either way previous comments suggest that the mobiles are only on rare occasions used when necessary, is it a case that the entire system is defunct & mobiles are necessary & gardai are now sent out regularly on critical assignments alone in vehicles whereby there is no passenger colleague to do the required talking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    There could be forty Gardaí assigned to a station. I'm not aware of any bluetooth kits that can be paired with forty devices.

    I don't really care about this hugely, but what about the little bluetooth handsfree kits that you can take with you? Leave that bundled with the phone, put it with whatever car you are in that day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭De Hipster


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    There could be forty Gardaí assigned to a station. I'm not aware of any bluetooth kits that can be paired with forty devices.


    You are also suggesting that you don't have a personal bluetooth kit for your personal phone - do you use that in your car while off-duty also?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    De Hipster wrote: »
    Universal bluetooth kits or units which will accept sim cards for the purposes of the shift...

    Either way previous comments suggest that the mobiles are only on rare occasions used when necessary, is it a case that the entire system is defunct & mobiles are necessary & gardai are now sent out regularly on critical assignments alone in vehicles whereby there is no passenger colleague to do the required talking?

    What a load of irrelevant bull****. I think you can see that a bluetooth kit would not work. The correct thing would be for a state issued phone in the car with a built in kit. That would solve all trouble.
    Snakeblood wrote: »
    I don't really care about this hugely, but what about the little bluetooth handsfree kits that you can take with you? Leave that bundled with the phone, put it with whatever car you are in that day.

    That would require one to be issued to every Garda driver wouldn't it?
    De Hipster wrote: »
    You are also suggesting that you don't have a personal bluetooth kit for your personal phone - do you use that in your car while off-duty also?

    Where did I suggest that? That's quite a leap. I have a built in bluetooth kit paired with my phone and my girlfriends. That's all i need.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭De Hipster


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    What a load of irrelevant bull****. I think you can see that a bluetooth kit would not work. The correct thing would be for a state issued phone in the car with a built in kit. That would solve all trouble.

    That would require one to be issued to every Garda driver wouldn't it?

    Where did I suggest that? That's quite a leap. I have a built in bluetooth kit paired with my phone and my girlfriends. That's all i need.

    Irrelevant Bull aside - I don't see why bluetooth is an acceptable solution for the rest of the universe with the exception of your good self?

    Glad to hear you abide by the law in your own time at least.


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