United States of Europe Confirmed By Germans

scopper

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

I for one feel I am too stupid to make an informed, independent decision when selecting my leaders. I think diuting my vote would be a terrific idea. Let the clever people in France and Germany make the big decisions.

Sure, I'm probably too thick to make any important decisions for myself. I should probably let the masses on the mainland dictate my life for me. They seem to know what's good for everyone. The collective always knows better than the individual

This may be the most laboured attempt at being sardonic I have ever read.

Tip: It works better when what you are trying to undermine is patently false rather than needing some justification.

Ghost Buster

Personally i dont think Ireland as a nation should be trusted with a pair of scissors let alone a nation and economy.
I for one welcome...etc

scopper

As an Émigré that has landed in Germany I for one would welcome our new fiscal overlords. But being serious it is not as sinister as people seem to be positing here. In the Der Spiegel (and always be wary of what gets lost in translation) interview he calls for something akin to a strictly fiscal bloc and a united financial outlook - not a United States affair wherein we become a single nation. There is nuance in his language and the hysterics here are just plain embarassing. Bar stool stuff. Get a grip!

AhSureTisGrand

scopper wrote: »

This may be the most laboured attempt at being sardonic I have ever read.

POLITICIANS ECONOMY HURR DURR!

How's that?

chillywilly

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Neither of you two want to live in a USE - words can't begin to describe the total horror.

*looks at the first and last three letters of username*....hmmm suspicious

Anita Blow

scopper wrote: »

As an Émigré that has landed in Germany I for one would welcome our new fiscal overlords. But being serious it is not as sinister as people seem to be positing here. In the Der Spiegel (and always be wary of what gets lost in translation) interview he calls for something akin to a strictly fiscal bloc and a united financial outlook - not a United States affair wherein we become a single nation. There is nuance in his language and the hysterics here are just plain embarassing. Bar stool stuff. Get a grip!

Sorry but our Fiscal and Monetary Policy being set by the EU would almost certainly mean we'd be a single nation.

paddy kerins

pmcmahon wrote: »

really? where and when are they going?

Tomorrow at 12 I think to... some place far away... yes that'll do

scopper

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

POLITICIANS ECONOMY HURR DURR!

How's that?

Better - that is how bad the original was :P

Augmerson

Snakeblood wrote: »

Twat.

Ooh, that does feel better.

Post reported.

Ooh, that does feel better.

Ghost Buster

Its a feel good thread.....YAY!!!!

scopper

Anita Blow wrote: »

Sorry but our Fiscal and Monetary Policy being set by the EU would almost certainly mean we'd be a single nation.

If we dissolved all the nations and became one single nation known as the United States of Europe then we would become one nation.

If we don't dissolve our nations and agree to participate in developing a coherent, Europe-wide fiscal policy we remain distinct nations operating together on an issue threatening us collectively.

It would be nothing more than formalizing the processes currently in place and hopefully using them more effectively.

AhSureTisGrand

scopper wrote: »

Better - that is how bad the original was :P

Well anyways thanks for the advice, sir. I always appreciate a solid critique of my prose

EarlERizer

Anita Blow wrote: »

Definitely voting no to this if we're asked.
Just because some people think we're "incapable" of governing ourselves doesn't mean the right should be taken away from us.
My vote in an election among 4.5 million others carries far more weight than my vote among 500 million others.

CrackisWhack wrote: »

+1 and with what little voting power we actually have in Europe i wouldn't trust our inept school teachers politicians to be able to cut us a good deal in Europe.

Like our vote would mean anything! If the expected result wasn't achieved first time round they'd just scare monger and push us into voting again.Democratically of course.

The mooting of a US of E shouldn't surprise anyone today,it's been in the making since 1951,after failing by force the way 'forward' was via political & economical means.
Germany has never swayed from it's vision (and goal)of a European super power with them at the helm,the French couldnt make their minds up,even as recently as 2005 they were against such a concept.

Personally,if it came to either or I would prefer an allegiance with the fork tongues of America & the UK than the forked tongues of Germany & France et al.

"Ayana Jannato"

Monty Burnz

Is anyone else amused by the references to the will of 'the Germans' as if they are some sort of monolithic block who all want the same thing?

People who throw around terms like that clearly:
a) don't know many Germans
b) don't know much about Germany
c) don't know much about German history outside 1939-45

UsernameInUse

Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, told the newspaper Bild that he would like to see the E.U.’s treaty revised — an arduous process — to enable the Union to make common fiscal policies.

An official in the German Finance Ministry, who was not authorized to speak on the matter publicly, said the ministry was trying to avoid terms like “transfer union, euro bonds or fiscal union” because it would alienate too many voters. But he acknowledged that they saw such a union as both necessary and inevitable.

“You could call it a fiscal union, but the minister won’t do that,” the official said. “What we are talking about is pooling our fiscal policy and doing to fiscal policy what we’ve done with monetary policy.”


The euro zone is also moving to increase oversight of countries’ budget plans earlier in the process and to give the European Commission greater power to propose tough financial penalties on countries that violate the fiscal rules, including a withdrawal of some E.U. funds, unless blocked by a large majority of members.
If and when that happens, said Graham Bishop, an independent financial analyst who has advised the British and European Parliaments, it “would be the moment of collective control of an errant state — the final step toward a de facto political union.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/business/global/reluctantly-europe-inches-closer-to-a-fiscal-union.html?_r=2&hp

Man the munitions!

EarlERizer

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Is anyone else amused by the references to the will of 'the Germans' as if they are some sort of monolithic block who all want the same thing?

People who throw around terms like that clearly:
a) don't know many Germans
b) don't know much about Germany
c) don't know much about German history outside 1939-45

I dare say no more amusing than reading your playground antagonising posts

I'd assume not all Germans wanted a Nazi Germany (1939-45) but the majority went along with it,better to be seen to be onside I suppose! it was either that or stick your head in the sand and pretend it wasn't going on.

however,getting back to the amusement of the sheeple.......

anyone remember this?

"The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas"



or this from a while back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm-q8F4t74g

This guy should run for President!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo

OPENROAD

Does this mean we have a new National Anthem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amZaoONrDO8

Son Of A Vidic

paddy kerins wrote: »

The conspiracy nuts are gonna have a field day

What conspiracy? Take a look at German maneuverings in Europe for the last 20-30 years and you might see a pattern. They'll not rest until they at least have a centralised European finance ministry. Of course the current 'crisis' is driving us conveniently towards it.

Amazing how Merkel and her lapdog Sarkosy, always seem to make the wrong comments at the wrong time. Comments that drive the Bond markets crazy and drive up the cost of borrowing for vulnerable economies. Of course this 'crisis' will only be resolved when the Franco/German alliance achieve their goals. So it's not a conspiracy, merely just a pattern.

books4sale

OHHH woah me, the big bad wolf that's the U.S.E. is comin to get ya.

I'm gonna die, i'm gonna die. ... yeah dufus!

Ever cop the phrase...

Together we stand, divided we fall....Nah, didn't think so.

....Shame! Back to yer shambolic paddy whackery conspirecy theories there so cabbage for brains.

Nice.

Jumpy

My name is URL wrote: »

Can any of the fervent supporters of the idea give a brief outline of how exactly a federalised Europe would help a nation such as Ireland?

Ireland would be the plucky comic relief.

Teutorix

This entire thread is pointless seeing how in the exact terms it was stated "a United States of Europe will never happen" It was discussed and agreed in the EU that this is not how the member states wanted to progress.

Mr Trade In

books4sale wrote: »

OHHH woah me, the big bad wolf that's the U.S.E. is comin to get ya.

I'm gonna die, i'm gonna die. ... yeah dufus!

Ever cop the phrase...

Together we stand, divided we fall....Nah, didn't think so.

....Shame! Back to yer shambolic paddy whackery conspirecy theories there so cabbage for brains.

Nice.

Problem with the highlighted part here is DER Germans will be standing on our shoulders as we and all the other smaller nations are crushed while they and their allies build a better future for themselves. Let me ask you one thing where would this Headquaters of a United States of Europe be, not Dublin that is one thing for sure,we are now cannon fodder,nothing more.

books4sale

Mr Trade In wrote: »

Let me ask you one thing where would this Headquaters of a United States of Europe be, not Dublin that is one thing for sure,we are now cannon fodder,nothing more.

I hear you dude, I answered your question though.

Seats of power aren't reserved for banana republics where the pop. got 'cabbage for brains'

Tis all fruit & veg in this tinpot oink.

Kadongy

UsernameInUse wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/04/us-germany-europe-idUSTRE7831IE20110904

It's unbelievable to think that our greatest ally in our fight for independence against this shower is now Britain!

It's not only believable but wholly consistent with British policy since the Republic was formed.

MungBean

This might not be proof of anything but I think we all know the inevitable future of Europe is a Europe under one Government. Whether its years or decades away it will happen.

Adyx

minidazzler wrote: »

I don't just not mid it, I'm pretty supportive of it. We are incapable of electing a good government for ourselves.

So not electing our own government is the answer? From you of all people I'm disappointed.

Does anyone honestly believe a government formed by the major players in the EU (an inevitable conclusion) would have our best interests at heart? I'm far from nationalistic or even remotely patriotic but the idea of a united Europe is disgusting. The EU has gone too far already in my opinion, in imposing its will on its members.

For all our governments failings, they are our failings. No offence to any Americans, but I'd rather we joined the USA than the USE. Ideally neither of course.

Lanaier

UsernameInUse wrote: »

It's unbelievable to think that our greatest ally in our fight for independence against this shower is now Britain!

uh.....really?
It's unbelievable to think the Brits might be our ally against the Germans?.......

Monty Burnz

Adyx wrote: »

For all our governments failings, they are our failings. No offence to any Americans, but I'd rather we joined the USA than the USE. Ideally neither of course.

I find that position baffling. What's the difference? Other than the fact that this would be the logical equivalent to Alabama joining the EU...

Lanaier

Lanaier wrote: »

uh.....really?
It's unbelievable to think the Brits might be our ally against the Germans?.......

There's a sizeable section of the British population who are anti-EU and would support anyone who appears to be fighting the EU dream.

nxbyveromdwjpg

We should re-join the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland

prinz

Hysterical blatantly false nonsense forms the backbone of a typical anti-EU, anti-German rant.... latest in a long line, and I'm still waiting for my conscription, abortion and €2 p/h wage. I'll add the USE to the end of the list and start holding my breath......;):p:o:mad::(:eek: Dead.

Kasabian

Federal Europe. Yeah!!!

Sure aren't we all European. Yeah!!!

Lisbon Treaty. Yeah!!!

War anyone?

prinz

Kasabian wrote: »

Federal Europe. Yeah!!!
Sure aren't we all European. Yeah!!!
Lisbon Treaty. Yeah!!!
War anyone?

Yeah!!! Sure what else are all those conscripts going to do?

President Ganley ftw!

Kasabian

prinz wrote: »

Yeah!!! Sure what else are all those conscripts going to do?

President Ganley ftw!

Someday Prinz, you will realise, I really don't give a fcuk.

OldGoat

Ah feck it. I had a bet that the thread would be Godwined in post #4 but Biggins got in at post #2. Cost me a fiver. Schweinehund.

orangebud

Cant wait to send my kids of to the EU Army

sensibleken

Abortions for all!

smokedeels

I'm here to look Uncle Fritz square in the monocle, and say NINE!!

Tigerbaby

having endured the horrors of Boston, I'm glad at last that we are being forced to acknowledge the more humane policies of Berlin. tired of being a small pawn in a rapacious economic system. rather be a small pawn under the German model. The end of Parish Pump Profiteers aka McCreevy, Bertie, et al.

Ireland is the new Idaho.

hooradiation

Tigerbaby wrote: »

having endured the horrors of Boston, I'm glad at last that we are being forced to acknowledge the more humane policies of Berlin. tired of being a small pawn in a rapacious economic system. rather be a small pawn under the German model. The end of Parish Pump Profiteers aka McCreevy, Bertie, et al.

Ireland is the new Idaho.

I see what you did there.

Horse_box

The EU had/have us by the balls and what did they do? Tried to increase our corporation tax. That was the only thing keeping our multi nationals here and they wanted to take it away from us. What does that say about them?

Germany and France don't give a flying fuck about our little island. They are not making this EU empire for the sake of the fringe countries, they are making it to generate more wealth for themselves

The EU project is failing and failing badly, lets just hope the markets take it down sooner rather than later, before things get very ugly

Snakeblood

Horse_box wrote: »

The EU had/have us by the balls and what did they do? Tried to increase our corporation tax. That was the only thing keeping our multi nationals here and they wanted to take it away from us. What does that say about them?

Germany and France don't give a flying fuck about our little island. They are not making this EU empire for the sake of the fringe countries, they are making it to generate more wealth for themselves

The EU project is failing and failing badly, lets just hope the markets take it down sooner rather than later, before things get very ugly

But they didn't increase the corporation tax, and they did lend us a lot of money, initially at a rate lower than what we could have gotten on the markets, and then after other countries went tits up, a lot lower than what we could have gotten on the markets.

books4sale

Horse_box wrote: »

The EU had/have us by the balls and what did they do?

Who put our balls in a sling?

We must have been playing with ourselves too much...ehhh?

Yeah 10-15 years of it. :mad:

EhAh EhAh .. donkeys! ......Laughable!

No room for these lads in the new stable.

UsernameInUse

http://www.businessinsider.com/angela-merkel-warns-of-greek-exit-and-domino-effect-2011-9

Merkal warns of the Domino effect if Greece finally decided to pull out of this mess!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk

getz

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You gotta hand it to Germany, they never gave up. 3rd time lucky and all that.

dont worry ireland will stay neutral

dfx-

Adyx wrote: »

For all our governments failings, they are our failings.

Is that a good thing?

We messed it up, but at least we messed it up by ourselves..

UsernameInUse

getz wrote: »

dont worry ireland will stay neutral

Better tell Fine Gael and Labour - they've spent 3million Euro sending Irish troops to Afghanistan.

getz

getz wrote: »

dont worry ireland will stay neutral

Bit difficult to stay neutral when you're wearing the uniform! (€uro), desert maybe but not be neutral.

getz

Deleted User wrote: »

Bit difficult to stay neutral when you're wearing the uniform! (€uro), desert maybe but not be neutral.

i first remember before the UK and ireland entered the common market,i was in belgium,a very clever man said to me,thank god you are joining us,without you the germans and french would take control and tell us all what to do,that was in the 60s,now by introducing the euro they have,only the UK was not gready enough to fall for it.

Celly Smunt

If it were to happen,well the brits wouldn't sign up for it so it would be a choice between britain and europe really.