Should school uniforms be abolished ?

starbelgrade

I think children should wear school uniforms & I certainly wouldn't send my kids to a school where the children dressed in tracksuits.

Leftist

Insurgent wrote: »

Why? Plenty of hot women over forty

A lot worldwide maybe but mostly it's not appealing watching some over 40s lumpy shins and cankles.

that's just my opinion, I wouldn't suggest they play by my rules.

Bad Panda

Xworks jeans, hoodies and school branded bandanas FTW!

cocoshovel

I think the uniform should be kept in place to be honest.
I know when I was in school I hated the uniform and thought it was pointless. But now when I look back it makes sense really. It keeps everybody equal in terms of clothes, nobody has to change their clothes every few days, or worry about what they have to wear :rolleyes:.
Also what if somebody is from a family low on money, that cant afford for their child to have a different set of new clothes every second day for him? this could cause social problems amongst other kids, bullying etc.

It just separates kids more and of course you would have people wearing ridiculous outfits too.

Wacker The Attacker

Leftist wrote: »

Oh hi. I was just listening to newstalk there so I was and they were talking about the expenses related to children's school uniforms.

The presenter remarked that his children's school allow them to wear a school tracksuit uniform. Fair enough a lot of schools have been doing that since the 90s.

Boom: in come the calls and texts - No tracksuits for kids, keep the ties and shirts. Concerned mammy's vs ''hoodies''

These people responsible for raising childers really think that clothes will turn their kids into scobers/skangers?

Absolutely sickening imo.

I once worked in an office of a big company, they opened a committee to discuss liberating the dress code.

Numerous women signed up to the committee and blocked a move to make ties non-compulsory.

Why? It's absolute madness.

If I had my way any woman over 40 wouldn't bare their legs, do I have the right to make that decision? No. Nor should I tbf.

Shaking with the rage here so I am.

We should make girls in their twenties spread their legs.

Fanny in the workplace is the way of the future

Leftist

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think children should wear school uniforms & I certainly wouldn't send my kids to a school where the children dressed in tracksuits.

are you on a windup?

we're talking about these kind of trackies yeah?

http://www.lynchschooluniforms.com/prd_img/320_1.jpg

mauzo

Leftist wrote: »

A lot worldwide maybe but mostly it's not appealing watching some over 40s lumpy shins and cankles.

that's just my opinion, I wouldn't suggest they play by my rules.

Haha Im 20 and trust me, the average Irish 40 year old would look hotter than me in a skirt!

Age does not equal hotness!

phil1nj

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Can we please stop mentioning that ridiculous book?

I can only speak for myself and promise never to again. Tell me, do you like Gladiator movies?

Leftist

cocoshovel wrote: »

I think the uniform should be kept in place to be honest.
I know when I was in school I hated the uniform and thought it was pointless. But now when I look back it makes sense really. It keeps everybody equal in terms of clothes, nobody has to change their clothes every few days, or worry about what they have to wear :rolleyes:.
Also what if somebody is from a family low on money, that cant afford for their child to have a different set of new clothes every second day for him? this could cause social problems amongst other kids, bullying etc.

It just separates kids more and of course you would have people wearing ridiculous outfits too.

The uniform is probably right, but why shirt and tie uniform?

Professey Chin

Anybody else think the "Oh hi" at the start of the OP makes it sound like some kinda public service ad or cheesy work video?

BraziliaNZ

I think we should be doing whatever possible to discourage kids from wearing tracksuits

BraziliaNZ

phil1nj wrote: »

Tell me, do you like Gladiator movies?

Yes, and all things Roman.

starbelgrade

Leftist wrote: »

are you on a windup?

we're talking about these kind of trackies yeah?

http://www.lynchschooluniforms.com/prd_img/320_1.jpg

Jesus Christ - I wouldn't dress my kid in anything that nasty looking even for a joke.

Can't believe that schools allow children to dress so badly these days - that's the school uniform equivalent of Waynetta Slob.

Leftist

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I think we should be doing whatever possible to discourage kids from wearing tracksuits

this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Why? do you think tracksuits will make a child misbehave?

You know I'm talking about these tracksuits?
http://www.lynchschooluniforms.com/prd_img/320_1.jpg

they make it much more affordable to parents too. But no, lets go conservative because tracksuits are a stepping stone to joyriding.

Leftist

starbelgrade wrote: »

Jesus Christ - I wouldn't dress my kid in anything that nasty looking even for a joke.

Can't believe that schools allow children to dress so badly these days - that's the school uniform equivalent of Waynetta Slob.

entitled to warp your own kid's minds with pathetic snobbery but nobody else should ever have to play by your rules.

phil1nj

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Yes, and all things Roman.

Fantastic! At my signal unleash HELL!!!!:D

stovelid

I prefer school uniforms for primary school to be honest.

For schools in rough a4eas, it means there is no competition about whose family can afford nicer (or branded) clothing and it's handier and more economical to know what they have to wear every day.

As I'm over 18 years old, I no longer believe that the mere fact of wearing a school uniform is going to turn a child into an automated, unthinking drone.

That said, it's a rip-off to have to buy special uniforms. Should just be a generic trouser/skirt, tracksuit (for PE) and a polo shirt. No crests, formal shirts or ties and whatnot.

mauzo

starbelgrade wrote: »

Jesus Christ - I wouldn't dress my kid in anything that nasty looking even for a joke.

That made me laugh soo hard!!!

starbelgrade

Leftist wrote: »

But no, lets go conservative because tracksuits are a stepping stone to joyriding.

They may not be a stepping stone to joyriding, but they are a tiny & dangerous step away from wearing fleeces, the most disgusting piece of clotheswear ever to be worn by mankind.

BraziliaNZ

Leftist wrote: »

this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Why? do you think tracksuits will make a child misbehave?

You know I'm talking about these tracksuits?
http://www.lynchschooluniforms.com/prd_img/320_1.jpg

they make it much more affordable to parents too. But no, lets go conservative because tracksuits are a stepping stone to joyriding.

No I just think they're f*cking HORRIBLE looking and I don't give a f*ck how it happened but they are a symbol of slobbery, laziness, and even misbehaviour in Ireland these days. There's no need to get too analytical on it, when people see youngfellas in tracksuits they automatically jump to conclusions.

JohnMarston

I do believe in keeping the school uniform. It will help prevent or at least curb bullying based on clothing and appearance since they all have to wear the same stuff.

Also, a child or teenager can have a sense of belonging to a certain school and their peers.
Also having a shirt and tie looks smart and helps the student get used to wearing a certain thing 5 days a week in prep for the workplace. At least in some cases anyway

You may argue that uniforms, like school textbooks, are a money-making racket. I disagree, seeing as it costs less for a schoolgoer to be wearing the same thing for 9 months of the year than having to constantly worry about buying new gear to keep your wardrobe fresh to save face in front of your peers.

kfallon

School was like a prison except no bumming in the showers - unless one of the Brothers took a shine to you which they didn't to me, don't know whether to be insulted or relieved but anyway I'm babbling on here. It was like a prison and in prison you have to wear a uniform, everyone is the same so I think the school uniform should stay tbh!

phil1nj

starbelgrade wrote: »

They may not be a stepping stone to joyriding, but they are a tiny & dangerous step away from wearing fleeces, the most disgusting piece of clotheswear ever to be worn by mankind.

When I walk my dog (not a euphamism for anything else) I usually wear a tracksuit bottom AND a fleece top? Should I adorn this ensemble with a bell around my neck?

kfallon

JohnMarston wrote: »

Also having a shirt and tie looks smart and helps the student get used to wearing a certain thing 5 days a week in prep for the workplace. At least in some cases anyway

Maybe get the dumber kids to wear a red hat to ready them for their job in McDonalds :pac:

I joke, I joke, a job's a job in this day and age!

meoklmrk91

Just to state to that I went to a plain clothes secondary school, I never once heard of an issue that came up there. Not saying that I don't believe in uniforms, just that I think they need to be relaxed at least a little, most don't allow for any personal expression what so ever.

kfallon

phil1nj wrote: »

When I walk my dog (not a euphamism for anything else) I usually wear a tracksuit bottom AND a fleece top? Should I adorn this ensemble with a bell around my neck?

Yes and you must shout, "UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!" also :pac:

mattjack

Leftist wrote: »

If I had my way any woman over 40 wouldn't bare their legs, do I have the right to make that decision? No. Nor should I tbf.

Have you ever expressed that opinion to a group of women ?

Leftist

Mr.S wrote: »

I was in a non uniform school for most of school days, then the last 4 years I was in a uniformed one.

Not one bit of hassle over "clothes" or people worrying about what to wear in the uniform'ed schools..

I went to a primary school with no uniform, also never noticed any stick and I never had brands as a kid.

starbelgrade

Leftist wrote: »

entitled to warp your own kid's minds with pathetic snobbery but nobody else should ever have to play by your rules.

I'm entitled to bring my children up in whatever way I choose.

You might consider it "snobby" for me not to dress my kid in cheap, ugly tracksuits, but I would consider it good taste.

Yet while I believe in maintaining a certain level of decorum in my own life, if other people want to dress their kids in ill fitting, cheap & shoddy clothes with elasticated waistbands, then that's perfectly fine with me.

I'm not a Nazi. Though I do recognise that the Nazis were usually very well dressed.

stovelid

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

JNot saying that I don't believe in uniforms, just that I think they need to be relaxed at least a little, most don't allow for any personal expression what so ever.

As opposed to the multifaceted and rich sense of self-expression that accrues from a few hundred people all wearing near-identical variants of the same hipster clothing?

Lisandro

I've never liked uniforms, always found them depressing and objected to the idea that I should spend five days a week dressing the way somebody else wants me to. In an office, fair enough, but I always thought that degree of formality was quite unnecessary in a place where you're (hopefully) meant to be learning for life.

And don't get me started on schools that insist you have your hair above your collar or that you should have to be clean shaven. At least give the option to keep one's hair clean and tied back...

BizzyC

cocoshovel wrote: »

I think the uniform should be kept in place to be honest.
I know when I was in school I hated the uniform and thought it was pointless. But now when I look back it makes sense really. It keeps everybody equal in terms of clothes, nobody has to change their clothes every few days, or worry about what they have to wear :rolleyes:.
Also what if somebody is from a family low on money, that cant afford for their child to have a different set of new clothes every second day for him? this could cause social problems amongst other kids, bullying etc.

It just separates kids more and of course you would have people wearing ridiculous outfits too.

I agree that kids should dress the same way in school, but I think letting kids (Primary school) wear tracksuits instead of a shirt and tie makes sense.
It's cheaper for parents and it's more comfortable for the kids.

mauzo

kfallon wrote: »

Maybe get the dumber kids to wear a red hat to ready them for their job in McDonalds :pac:

I joke, I joke, a job's a job in this day and age!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I have tears rolling down my cheeks

starbelgrade

phil1nj wrote: »

When I walk my dog (not a euphamism for anything else) I usually wear a tracksuit bottom AND a fleece top? Should I adorn this ensemble with a bell around my neck?

I feel sorry for the dog.

kfallon

syndeyfife wrote: »

I have tears rolling down my cheeks

Ah reminds me of my days as an altar boy......and something else was running down my other cheeks

Still I got a 'slug' of wine so every cloud......

Leftist

mattjack wrote: »

Have you ever expressed that opinion to a group of women ?

yes, once.

Tbh no, it's a personal opinion. That's my point. I don't want to see some old broad's lumpy legs but I can't stop them doing it. Nobody should have the right to tell any man to wear a tie, especially a woman.

and that's not intended as sexist, it's just that they don't have to wear ties so why should they tell someone else to do so?

Leftist

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm entitled to bring my children up in whatever way I choose.

You might consider it "snobby" for me not to dress my kid in cheap, ugly tracksuits, but I would consider it good taste.

Yet while I believe in maintaining a certain level of decorum in my own life, if other people want to dress their kids in ill fitting, cheap & shoddy clothes with elasticated waistbands, then that's perfectly fine with me.

I'm not a Nazi. Though I do recognise that the Nazis were usually very well dressed.

so we're agreed then? you raise your kids as materialistic snobs and don't try to impose your rules on anyone else.

Job done.

SusieBlue

There's nothing wrong with tracksuits, how would you feel if you had to do PE wearing a shirt, tie and trousers? Not the most comfortable thing for a child to wear!

The prejudice against tracksuits is hilarious, they're only clothes, some people will find anything to complain about.

I don't think the school uniform should go, but I do think a lot of schools need to think about re-designing them. All the schools in our area have starched shirts, ties and itchy jumpers, even for the Junior Senior infants. They aren't comfortable at all for little kiddos, my nephew hates his tie.

I think something in between the shirt/pants/tie and the tracksuit would be a perfect compromise. That said I see absolutely nothing wrong with tracksuits either. My boyfriend wears them from time to time and he isn't a slob, lazy, or a knacker. :rolleyes:

meoklmrk91

stovelid wrote: »

As opposed to the multifaceted and rich sense of self-expression that accrues from a few hundred people all wearing near-identical variants of the same hipster clothing?

Does it really matter? In most secondary schools girls are forced to wear skirts, not an option for me and I am sure others due to a medical issue, you can't wear jewellery, girls can't dye their hair, the same goes for boys, they can't have their hair long, and as another poster said they have to be clean shaven. Im sorry but I really don't understand what any of this has to do with anybodies education.

In my plain clothes school as long as we were clean and tidy the staff had no issues with it, obviously we had to be somewhat presentable, no inappropriately revealing outfits etc.

Richard Hillman

I wore a shirt and tie in primary school and secondary school just required a jumper and polo t-shirt. A lot of the lads that didnt wear a shirt and tie in primary just cant fathom the shirt and tie. They feel awkward in them and would avoid at all costs. Whilst myself from Primary School i was just drilled into looking smart and that a shirt and tie is the norm. I really missed wearing a tie in secondary school.

I think its good for the kids characters to be drilled into looking as smart as they can.

starbelgrade

Leftist wrote: »

so we're agreed then? you raise your kids as materialistic snobs and don't try to impose your rules on anyone else.

Job done.

While I agree that people should live & let live, I take exception to your belief that I'm a snob.

I never look down on other people over the manner in which they choose to dress. An real example of snobbery would be choosing to judge a 40 year old woman in a negative light simply because they choose to wear a short skirt.

batistuta9

starbelgrade wrote: »

While I agree that people should live & let live, I take exception to your belief that I'm a snob.

I never look down on other people over the manner in which they choose to dress. An real example of snobbery would be choosing to judge a 40 year old woman in a negative light simply because they choose to wear a short skirt.

you said you wouldn't send your kids to a school where the kids dressed in tracksuits, is that not looking down on people because of how they dress?

tracksuit snobbery is ridiculous

kfallon

starbelgrade wrote: »

An real example of snobbery would be choosing to judge a 40 year old woman in a negative light simply because they choose to wear a short skirt.

Phwoarrrrrrrr!!! She'd get it :pac:

starbelgrade

batistuta9 wrote: »

you said you wouldn't send your kids to a school where the kids dressed in tracksuits, is that not looking down on people because of how they dress?

tracksuit snobbery is ridiculous

I would prefer to send my kid to a school with a smart dress code as I believe that my children should be brought up in a certain way.

If others disagree with that, then that's entirely their choice but I would never look down on someone simply because they have a different opinion from mine.

Leftist

starbelgrade wrote: »

While I agree that people should live & let live, I take exception to your belief that I'm a snob.

I never look down on other people over the manner in which they choose to dress. An real example of snobbery would be choosing to judge a 40 year old woman in a negative light simply because they choose to wear a short skirt.

nope. It's not snobbery, it's unsightly.

Would you like it you worked with male colleagues in their 40s/50s who wore shorts or no tops?

Like I say, let women wear their skirts, unfortunetly it's rarely the young women that wear them to work though.

Leftist

starbelgrade wrote: »

I would prefer to send my kid to a school with a smart dress code as I believe that my children should be brought up in a certain way.

If others disagree with that, then that's entirely their choice but I would never look down on someone simply because they have a different opinion from mine.

what if your kid's school decided, based on a referendum amongst children's parents, that it would be best to cease blazer/tie/shirt/slacks and bring in generic school tracksuits.

Would you remove your kids from said school?

Teyla Emmagan

Leftist wrote: »

nope. It's not snobbery, it's unsightly.

Just like wearing a tracksuit to school then!!!

Leftist

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Just like wearing a tracksuit to school then!!!

the only reason that would be unsightly to see a child in a tracksuit would be if you were a materialistic snob.

Shenshen

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Does it really matter? In most secondary schools girls are forced to wear skirts, not an option for me and I am sure others due to a medical issue, you can't wear jewellery, girls can't dye their hair, the same goes for boys, they can't have their hair long, and as another poster said they have to be clean shaven. Im sorry but I really don't understand what any of this has to do with anybodies education.

In my plain clothes school as long as we were clean and tidy the staff had no issues with it, obviously we had to be somewhat presentable, no inappropriately revealing outfits etc.

This.
I never had to wear a uniform in my life, and I dread the day others will force me to shove my kid into one...

starbelgrade

Leftist wrote: »

nope. It's not snobbery, it's unsightly.

Would you like it you worked with male colleagues in their 40s/50s who wore shorts or no tops?

Like I say, let women wear their skirts, unfortunetly it's rarely the young women that wear them to work though.

I run my own business & have a strict dress code for my employees.

I also believe that schools should have strict dress codes which exclude tracksuits.

I'm not the one who one one hand started a thread questioning the legitimacy of the existence of dress codes while on the other hand stating that people over 40 shouldn't be allowed to show certain parts of their bodies in the workplace.

It seems to me that you are trying to have your cake & eat it.