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Cannonball Run in the Leaf
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07-09-2011 10:11am#1http://www.esb.ie/electric-cars/electric-car-news-and-events/electric-car-press-releases/ESB-ecars-powers-up-for-cannonball-run.jspMore than 150 supercars will participate in the Cannonball Run passing through 14 counties, stopping in Dublin, Waterford, Cork, Limerick, Westport and Kilkenny. ESB ecars will power the all electric Nissan LEAF car by plugging into charge points along the route, demonstrating that journeys in an electric car around Ireland are possible by using the charging infrastructure which is already installed.
Some people have ingrained beliefs that EV's can't do longer journeys. Good to see ESB ecars dispelling that myth. Once I have some free time I'm looking forward to doing something similar myself.
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Hammertime wrote: »Its going to be such great crack driving it in the leaf
:rolleyes:
I'm glad we've moved on so
Used to be you couldn't do long journeys, now we can just complain that it's not "great crack".
Anyways looking through the list of accepted cars, there are some fairly ordinary cars in there as well. The Renault Megane and Mini Cooper look fairly ordinary to my eyes. Not that I personally care either way, just pointing out you don't need to have a fossil fuel powered super car to have fun driving around Ireland.
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Personally I think it would be great fun to do it in an EV like the Leaf. I bet the Leaf will also draw a lot of crowd attention compared to a significant proportion of the other cars taking part.0 -
Sesshoumaru wrote: »dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »So all the other car will set off, the Leaf will run out of juice within a hundred miles after driving at about 70 km/h have to recharge for at least a half an hour and finally arrive two days after the rest?
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Sesshoumaru wrote: »Hammertime wrote: »Its going to be such great crack driving it in the leaf
:rolleyes:
I'm glad we've moved on so Used to be you couldn't do long journeys, now we can just complain that it's not "great crack".
Anyways looking through the list of accepted cars, there are some fairly ordinary cars in there as well. The Renault Megane and Mini Cooper look fairly ordinary to my eyes. Not that I personally care either way, just pointing out you don't need to have a fossil fuel powered super car to have fun driving around Ireland.
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Personally I think it would be great fun to do it in an EV like the Leaf. I bet the Leaf will also draw a lot of crowd attention compared to a significant proportion of the other cars taking part.
Call me crazy but if I'm doing the cannonball run I don't want to do it in a leaf, a micra, a double decker bus or a motor home.0 -
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Went straight over my head, I feel a bit stupid now!Sesshoumaru wrote: »Sarcasm is easy enough to miss on the interweb
Still though, opinions like that are common enough and deeply ingrained!0 -
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Dont mean to hijack but,
does anyone know what route the cannonball takes?
On there site the only map they link to is this one and it isnt all that useful.
I would like to know if it is going to go through towns or is it gonna be a complete waste and go the motorway the whole way?
Like for example that red line goes through the middle of Carlow, would be handy to take a break early on if it meant i got to see this beauty
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Sesshoumaru wrote: »
Some people have ingrained beliefs that EV's can't do longer journeys. Good to see ESB ecars dispelling that myth. Once I have some free time I'm looking forward to doing something similar myself.
I'd define longer journeys in Ireland as atleast being capable of a single journey from the east to the west coast of the country without the need for a half day refuelling/recharging operation, this is not possible right now without stopping and charging. I fear their publicity campaign with this "race" only makes the weaknesses in the car more apparent. A horse and cart would be the next slowest mode of transport on 4 wheels, would probably do Dublin to Galway in 2 days with a couple of stops for a snooze and oats along the way 0 -
TestTransmission wrote: »I think you're part of the 0.1% somehow, aren't you a Prius owner?
Good memory, I do currently have a Prius. But I have had 27 other cars including a couple that could manage 150mph when most cars couldn't manage a 100mph, 9 different motorbikes, my current two both do over 160mph if you are stupid enough, I have a camper that only does 22mpg. I am currently looking for a 928.
I love F1, rally cars, drifting, motobike racing. So what 0.1% am I in.
I would like to know what percentage of cars on the road are Prius just outta curiousity.
I am going to say it again, a prius is not perfect and I think lots of people will not really like them but they wont hate them if they actually drove one.0 -
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Atlantic Dawn wrote: »I'd define longer journeys in Ireland as atleast being capable of a single journey from the east to the west coast of the country without the need for a half day refuelling/recharging operation, this is not possible right now without stopping and charging. I fear their publicity campaign with this "race" only makes the weaknesses in the car more apparent. A horse and cart would be the next slowest mode of transport on 4 wheels, would probably do Dublin to Galway in 2 days with a couple of stops for a snooze and oats along the way
East to West? Dublin to Galway requires one 30 minute stop in Athlone. The Leaf can ingest 50 kilowatts of DC through its second larger DC port in the front.
Port on left is for 50kw DC input and right side is for your regular 16amp 220 volt AC.0 -
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It takes me 90 minutes to get from my office to Galway Airport. a 30 minute stop off in Athlone is a third of my journey time.
I can do said journey 2 to 3 times, return, on a tank of diesel that takes about 6 minutes to fill. When electric cars get within 300% of that time, let me know.
As it stands right now it costs me €20 to do 2100km. Let me know when petrol/diesel cars can do that
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That still seems frustrating to me, you can get from Dublin to Galway in a touch over 2 hours now, so having to stop for 30 mins is actually a significant delay.
Realistically it'd actually cost you 45 mins+ with leaving & rejoining the motorway and the minutes lost either side of filling up.
So your over and back journey has now changed from a little over 4 hours to a little over 5.5 hours. Quite a difference.
Dublin to Galway is a journey that barely needs a bathroom break anymore, never mind a stop for a snack and a cuppa while your car recharges.
I'm really happy for those of you with fossil fuel cars that don't need to stop once on a Dublin to Galway journey. For me it's a minor point. The big issue for me is the saving I make by owning an EV. I've previously posted my figures for July, I just checked online now for August and here is a screenshot:
At the end of the day the range of the Leaf is primarily determined by the capacity of the battery, which currently stands at 24kwh. It's just a battery though, when a better one becomes available I'll be able to replace it. The US version of the BYD e6 is already packing a 60kwh battery pack. Until then I'll live with my €10 per 1050km car 0 -
Sesshoumaru wrote: »As it stands right now it costs me €20 to do 2100km. Let me know when petrol/diesel cars can do that
I'm glad you're happy with your car, and I'm not trying to knock it, I'm just giving my take on it.
You pay €20 for 2,100KM, so you'd pay roughly €3.94 for the 414KM return journey from Dublin to Galway.
The biggest selling car at the moment is the Ford Focus. 95.6% of those are in band A. 80.6% are hatchback.
I don't know what the specific model is, but let's take the Ford Focus 5DR Zetec 1.6TDCi 115BHP. It costs €23,875 ex. works, so similar in pricing to a base-spec Leaf. It does 4.2l/100KM
For the same journey, the Focus will use 17.38 litres of diesel, costing €24.97 based on a diesel price of €1.436 per litre.
So, for this return journey from Dublin to Galway you're saved €21.03, but it's added an extra 90 mins to your journey.
I'm not sure what you're paid, but if you're on the average industrial wage, that 90 mins is worth €31.37.
Again, I'm glad you're happy with your car, and I'm not trying to knock it, but if I was choosing a company car for MYOB I'd choose the Focus over the Leaf. Horses for courses, I guess.
There are situations where the Leaf is definitely desirable, but driving distance isn't one of them.
That's why I think putting a Leaf on the Cannonball Run is a pointless stunt (ah-ha!! I'm not wandering wildly off-topic after all!! :P:D).0 -
Your forgetting total cost of ownership.
I have a colleague that just took delivery of a Tesla Roadster and commutes 55km each way every day.
But hes worked out the total cost /km including the lifetime of the battery pack and the prepay option tesla have to get a discount on a future battery pack.
He worked out he's paying MORE than he did with his Audi A4 Diesel, but he gets to drive a Tesla
Myself I'd go for a Volvos V60 Diesel Hybrid, I can do my short runs on Electric and my long runs to work on Diesel.
A leaf for me would leave me needing a second car.0 -
Sesshoumaru wrote: »As it stands right now it costs me €20 to do 2100km. Let me know when petrol/diesel cars can do that
I'm glad you're happy with your car, and I'm not trying to knock it, I'm just giving my take on it.
You pay €20 for 2,100KM, so you'd pay roughly €3.94 for the 414KM return journey from Dublin to Galway.
The biggest selling car at the moment is the Ford Focus. 95.6% of those are in band A. 80.6% are hatchback.
I don't know what the specific model is, but let's take the Ford Focus 5DR Zetec 1.6TDCi 115BHP. It costs €23,875 ex. works, so similar in pricing to a base-spec Leaf. It does 4.2l/100KM
For the same journey, the Focus will use 17.38 litres of diesel, costing €24.97 based on a diesel price of €1.436 per litre.
So, for this return journey from Dublin to Galway you're saved €21.03, but it's added an extra 90 mins to your journey.
I'm not sure what you're paid, but if you're on the average industrial wage, that 90 mins is worth €31.37.
Is there really any validity in comparing time spent on the road to how much u would earn if u were working. I know my employer would be mighty pissed if I decided to drive to Galway in work time. So I ain't earning any more on the road to Galway, simply spending the money I already earned. I will spend less in a leaf.
Factoring in the purchase price of a leaf means it is not cheap motoring. It is way more expensive than a regular comparable car such as the ford focus. But it is still a cool idea and functional I would love one but you cant ever justify it on price and for that reason no use to most of us unfortunately. But it is a big step forward in my opinion.0 -
I'm glad you're happy with your car, and I'm not trying to knock it, I'm just giving my take on it.
You pay €20 for 2,100KM, so you'd pay roughly €3.94 for the 414KM return journey from Dublin to Galway.
The biggest selling car at the moment is the Ford Focus. 95.6% of those are in band A. 80.6% are hatchback.
I don't know what the specific model is, but let's take the Ford Focus 5DR Zetec 1.6TDCi 115BHP. It costs €23,875 ex. works, so similar in pricing to a base-spec Leaf. It does 4.2l/100KM
For the same journey, the Focus will use 17.38 litres of diesel, costing €24.97 based on a diesel price of €1.436 per litre.
So, for this return journey from Dublin to Galway you're saved €21.03, but it's added an extra 90 mins to your journey.
I'm not sure what you're paid, but if you're on the average industrial wage, that 90 mins is worth €31.37.
Again, I'm glad you're happy with your car, and I'm not trying to knock it, but if I was choosing a company car for MYOB I'd choose the Focus over the Leaf. Horses for courses, I guess.
There are situations where the Leaf is definitely desirable, but driving distance isn't one of them.
That's why I think putting a Leaf on the Cannonball Run is a pointless stunt (ah-ha!! I'm not wandering wildly off-topic after all!! :P:D).
I don't do long journeys all that often (like most people). People just like the comfort factor of knowing they can do those journeys at any point. But in reality most people (not all people) don't do long journeys that often.
To me it's like this, some guy wants a 2 seater sports car and fuel economy/space isn't important. Another guy wants a 7 seater and space/economy is important. The Leaf just ticks the right boxes for me and I'm delighted other people are happy with their cars. Other people have their lists of "when the car can do XYZ come back to me" etc I'm happy they have the choice on the market to get what they want. I got what I want as well, thanks! 0 -
Sesshoumaru wrote: »As it stands right now it costs me €20 to do 2100km. Let me know when petrol/diesel cars can do that
My employer values (at least when charging customers)my time at more than the fuel savings. Quite a lot more.
If in that 2100km I have to do 8 charges its "cost" the company 800 quid. 820 is vastly more than the 100 euro or so diesel costs (remember that corporates won't be paying VAT on the diesel).
Even assuming its done during time where there is no other work available for me to do (this has happened once in four and a half years, may I add) and when I'm on normal salary due to it being in working hours the actual cost in time lost is still more than the "savings". Add in the chance of putting the driver in to over hours and it starts to get painful - in real terms not even the notional costs.
An electric car would *always* cost my employer more than the fuel savings seeing as the price of electricity will go up in tandem with diesel due to us getting most of our energy from fossil.0 -
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Hammertime wrote: »as an aside I'd be bored senseless having to sit on a garage forecourt for half an hour to charge my car on the way to somewhere like galway, and repeat it on the way back. Add in three young kids in the car etc and your looking at a bloody nightmare.
I'm guessing more garages will have to cater to this,possibly a chance for money to be made? 0 -
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