Chippers and Deli's

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stellios wrote: »

With all the Italian take away chippers in Ireland, can some please explain to me why there are no chippers in Italy, or europe for that matter??

Also why is Ireland the only place where you can get a hot chichen roll at a deli??

the average 'lunch' in Ireland is almost equal to the daily quota of calories for a man a day,, god forbid if you are a woman.

miss no stars

The King of Moo wrote: »

I think the north of Europe is actually more similar to use, in terms of food and alcohol especially. Lots of spuds, meat and beer.

But in the south there's a much healthier attitude towards food and diet.

I should point out that though I'm defending the Mediterranean diet a lot here, I do enjoy an occasional visit to the chipper or Chinese .

And the next thing to do folks, is to make a connection between climate and food consumption :eek: Salads and antipasti are fine in warm weather but they just don't cut it in the depths of a wet, northern european winter.

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

If the mediteranean diet is so healthy why is it that when you go to these countrys while most of them look stunning in there younger years, when they get bit older the majority seem to be an awful state overweight etc?

Its always baffled me.

Also, sun exposure. Too much and you look like leather by 50

stellios

The king of Moo

Well that is your opinion:p

I dint say I wanted chipper food in italy, just curious why they were not there, im sorry my curiosity angers you..

faceman

While there arent that many chippers, there are alternate less healthy options in Europe such as pizza, bread and crepe options.

Bare in mind too that for a long time irish tastes were quite bland with the only spices being available being salt and pepper!

There was a chipper I used to go to in Nairobi back in the 90's that i cant remember the name of. Wasnt Italian run. They did a mean onion rings and chips!

thebigbiffo

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

I've never had chipper chips like the ones we get here anywhere else I have traveled.

Even in Britain its all that frozen skinny style manky chips.

for everyone who wants the perfect and i mean PERFECT chip here's how it's done:

cut potatoes into chips
boil for about 5-7 minutes until the potato has just about softened on the outside DO NOT OVERCOOK - drain and allow dry
heat oil to a low temp (think 160-70 is low) and plonk in the chips for about 10-15 minutes. break one down the middle and if cooked through on the inside remove.
place in a bowl, cover and let rest in the fridge overnight.
heat oil to a high temp (i think 210 or so) and bang in your chilled chips for only a couple of minutes until golden brown. remove and eat the s'hit out of them

i know this sounds like a seriously long process for some chips but seriously - if you could never quite understand why sometimes you get chips in a chipper that are just mouthgasms then above is the reason. the chips comes out light and crispy on the outside but fluffy in the middle and just taste completely amazing.

i cant believe i'm so passionate about this subject now i've started

kfallon

thebigbiffo wrote: »

for everyone who wants the perfect and i mean PERFECT chip here's how it's done:

cut potatoes into chips
boil for about 5-7 minutes until the potato has just about softened on the outside DO NOT OVERCOOK - drain and allow dry
heat oil to a low temp (think 160-70 is low) and plonk in the chips for about 10-15 minutes. break one down the middle and if cooked through on the inside remove.
place in a bowl, cover and let rest in the fridge overnight.
heat oil to a high temp (i think 210 or so) and bang in your chilled chips for only a couple of minutes until golden brown. remove and eat the s'hit out of them

For everyone who wants the perfect chip!

1. Pick up mobile
2. Ring local chipper that delivers
3. Place order
4. Sit back and salivate for 40 minutes awaiting delivery almost resulting in death by drowning in own saliva! Hallucinate about said chips throughout the wait.
5. When delivery guy/girl arrives pay them generous tip just cos you have nearly fainted with ravenous hunger
6. Administer loads n' loads of 'sore finger'
7. Eat order within 3 minutes and wish you'd ordered more even tho you are as full as a Tinker's bra!

Tis all about the anticipation :pac:

Kitty-kitty

stellios wrote: »

Id rather eat in an Italian restaurant in Ireland than in Italy any day..

So you cannot get a battered saussage/snack box/Onion rings in Italy.

Also, does Chinease food in China taste the same as Chinease food here??

No, it's very difficult to get "Chinese" food as you would see here in China. In fact, chicken balls are almost exclusive to the UK, Ireland and I think Canada? China being the huge country it is, is extremely regional.

The King of Moo

stellios wrote: »

The king of Moo

Well that is your opinion:p

I dint say I wanted chipper food in italy, just curious why they were not there, im sorry my curiosity angers you..

Sorry, I did get a big angry, I've just met a lot of Irish people who complain about not finding takeaways and Irish pubs when they go to Italy, and I get a bit annoyed by that, and I did lump you in with them.

I do get a bit riled up and defensive, I think because my girlfriend's Italian, and I've spent a bit of time over there and really come to appreciate not only their food, but also their food culture, and the importance they attach to it.
I did get a bit worked up, mea culpa.

I also don't mean to be patronising and condescending about the way Irish people eat.
I wasn't, and probably still am not, any kind of great foody.
I do think that here and in Britain we have a very bad attitude towards food, but that's the culture we've grown up in and it's hard to break out of that.


This thread has kind of evolved from your OP, which was actually a good question.

I was a bit over zealous in giving my answers, but I won't apologise too much for getting over zealous about good food .

But as for Italian food tasting better here, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that one.
Try the pizza in The Steps of Rome on Chatham Street in Dublin, it's the closest I've had to the real thing in Ireland (apparently the proper wood-burning stoves needed to make pizza is illegal here).

thebigbiffo

kfallon wrote: »

For everyone who wants the perfect chip!

1. Pick up mobile
2. Ring local chipper that delivers
3. Place order
4. Sit back and salivate for 40 minutes awaiting delivery almost resulting in death by drowning in own saliva! Hallucinate about said chips throughout the wait.
5. When delivery guy/girl arrives pay them generous tip just cos you have nearly fainted with ravenous hunger
6. Administer loads n' loads of 'sore finger'
7. Eat order within 3 minutes and wish you'd ordered more even tho you are as full as a Tinker's bra!

Tis all about the anticipation :pac:

no no no no NO NO NO NO NO NO NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

the vast majority of chipper dont get it right and even if they did, probably dont deliver!

edit: AND by the time they've been delivered they've sweated so much in the bag they'll just be balls of mush - i am biffos major dissapoint in fallon. no respect for the quality chip.

D1stant

Id rather eat in an Italian restaurant in Ireland than in Italy any day..

Oh yes me too. I love the crap overpriced pasta, thick gloopy sauces and tastless processed stuff

Also, does Chinease food in China taste the same as Chinease food here??

Pretty much. Except they generally make the sauces rather than have 3 or 4 wholesaled MSG sauces, dont pump water into the cheap meat to expand, generally dont microwave the food, use only local seasonal ingredients and serve smaller portions

p.s. Are you the guy from the MCDonalds add. Chinease? 'It wrecks the che-ase'

kfallon

thebigbiffo wrote: »

no no no no NO NO NO NO NO NO NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

the vast majority of chipper dont get it right and even if they did, probably dont deliver!

edit: AND by the time they've been delivered they've sweated so much in the bag they'll just be balls of mush - i am biffos major dissapoint in fallon. no respect for the quality chip.

By the time they are delivered you are soooo hungry they don't even touch the sides going down!

And if I want chips now why do I have to wait til tomorrow to have them when I might not want them then?

Orando Broom

knird evol wrote: »

Italians eat good food. But they can manage to fix up the sort of crap that we want to eat.

They eat a good bit of ****e too. Did you ever see the cut of the 'sandwiches' you'd get in a deli. Your own dog would bark at you if you came home with one.

Irish food is every bit as good, if not better, than any where else.

'Cuisine' is for cünts, pretentious, fay cünts.

stellios

The King of Moo wrote: »

Sorry, I did get a big angry, I've just met a lot of Irish people who complain about not finding takeaways and Irish pubs when they go to Italy, and I get a bit annoyed by that, and I did lump you in with them.

I do get a bit riled up and defensive, I think because my girlfriend's Italian, and I've spent a bit of time over there and really come to appreciate not only their food, but also their food culture, and the importance they attach to it.
I did get a bit worked up, mea culpa.

I also don't mean to be patronising and condescending about the way Irish people eat.
I wasn't, and probably still am not, any kind of great foody.
I do think that here and in Britain we have a very bad attitude towards food, but that's the culture we've grown up in and it's hard to break out of that.


This thread has kind of evolved from your OP, which was actually a good question.

I was a bit over zealous in giving my answers, but I won't apologise too much for getting over zealous about good food .

But as for Italian food tasting better here, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that one.
Try the pizza in The Steps of Rome on Chatham Street in Dublin, it's the closest I've had to the real thing in Ireland (apparently the proper wood-burning stoves needed to make pizza is illegal here).

Thats ok, we're all friends

stellios

D1stant wrote: »

Id rather eat in an Italian restaurant in Ireland than in Italy any day..

Oh yes me too. I love the crap overpriced pasta, thick gloopy sauces and tastless processed stuff

Also, does Chinease food in China taste the same as Chinease food here??

Pretty much. Except they generally make the sauces rather than have 3 or 4 wholesaled MSG sauces, dont pump water into the cheap meat to expand, generally dont microwave the food, use only local seasonal ingredients and serve smaller portions

p.s. Are you the guy from the MCDonalds add. Chinease? 'It wrecks the che-ase'

I dislike that man very much :mad:

So is that sarcasim for, no its much better in China?

stellios

Orando Broom wrote: »

They eat a good bit of ****e too. Did you ever see the cut of the 'sandwiches' you'd get in a deli. Your own dog would bark at you if you came home with one.

Irish food is every bit as good, if not better, than any where else.

'Cuisine' is for cünts, pretentious, fay cünts.

The King of Moo

Orando Broom wrote: »

They eat a good bit of ****e too. Did you ever see the cut of the 'sandwiches' you'd get in a deli. Your own dog would bark at you if you came home with one.

Irish food is every bit as good, if not better, than any where else.

'Cuisine' is for cünts, pretentious, fay cünts.

I've never had a sandwich in an Italian deli so I can't say if that's true (though I have my doubts).
It may well be true, as in a lot of parts of Italy they don't have the same culture of buying pre-made food in a shop that we have here.
They might sometimes buy some pasta in a shop if they were in a rush, as we'd do with a roll, but outside of the big northern cities (but also there to a large extent too) most people go home for lunch, cook something, have a coffee after, maybe have a quick nap if it's hot too, then go back to work till 7 or 8.

If the quality of cooked food in delis is lower there, it's because there's very little market for it.

And if by "cuisine" food you mean pretentious crap, then you have a point.
And most Italians, including chefs, would agree, as their best food is simple, made from common, basic, local ingredients, and is quite healthy.
I don't have a problem with that.

And I will state my opinion to be, unequivocably, that Italian food is ridiculously superior to Irish food, which doesn't extend much beyond spuds and chicken.

jenizzle

stellios wrote: »

Also, does Chinease food in China taste the same as Chinease food here??

Not really. I've lived with a few chinese people, and their dinners mostly consist of a feckload of rice, some unknown vegetables, half a chicken fillet, lots and lots of mushrooms and watery sauces a la chinese soups. Doesn't look or smell in any way appetising. There's no s&s chicken ball!

stellios

Ok so we have astablished the following

There are no Chippers in Italy. Even though the majority of chippers in Ireland are... Italian..

Chinease food is better in China than in Ireland

So.. Why didnt the Italians that went to America open up chipper shops??(Just to clarify, when in New York, i dont want to buy a snack box..)

Would there be a market for spuds, bacon, cabbage in Europe??

pickarooney

I had to resort to making my own snack box the other day after two years without. didn't work out too bad at all.

There's a place in town where people make reservations to buy garbage fish and horrid chips for 12 quid a go. There must be a market for a Macari's here.

kingtut

D1stant wrote: »

Also, does Chinease food in China taste the same as Chinease food here??

No it tastes completely different!

Gandhi

stellios wrote: »

So.. Why didnt the Italians that went to America open up chipper shops??(Just to clarify, when in New York, i dont want to buy a snack box..)

They sell Italian Hoagies (or heros, subs, grinders) which each contain more food than the average Italian in Italy would consume in a month. Also pizzerias.

Going to go get a hoagie for lunch right now, in fact. I am thinking a Primo's Italian Diablo. Spicy heart-attack in a paper bag.

mattjack

stellios wrote: »

With all the Italian take away chippers in Ireland, can some please explain to me why there are no chippers in Italy, or europe for that matter??

Also why is Ireland the only place where you can get a hot chichen roll at a deli??

Its a huge master plan by Italy to stop us having great football players.Feed us full of ****e from a young age and look at last Fridays performance...

The King of Moo

stellios wrote: »

Ok so we have astablished the following

There are no Chippers in Italy. Even though the majority of chippers in Ireland are... Italian..

Chinease food is better in China than in Ireland

So.. Why didnt the Italians that went to America open up chipper shops??(Just to clarify, when in New York, i dont want to buy a snack box..)

Would there be a market for spuds, bacon, cabbage in Europe??

I think it's because there was never any real market for fish and chips in America, whereas I think people were eating at least some variety of fish and chips here before Italian immigrants decided to latch onto it.

Maybe that's why they went down the hero sandwich and pizza route over there instead.

As for spuds, bacon and cabbage, I'm sure it'd go down well in places like Germany, Poland and parts of central Europe where they use those ingredients a lot anyway, and have lots of very heavy traditional dishes.

I think most Mediterranean stomachs would explode with the culture shock though, especially if it was served in an Irish-style portion .

stellios

Gandhi wrote: »

They sell Italian Hoagies (or heros, subs, grinders) which each contain more food than the average Italian in Italy would consume in a month. Also pizzerias.

Going to go get a hoagie for lunch right now, in fact. I am thinking a Primo's Italian Diablo. Spicy heart-attack in a paper bag.

They are the same as subway arent they? Bet you cant get a snackbox or a battered sausage

Sooopie

Anyone able to recommend a good spot for a sit in fish and chips in Dublin City Centre? Have a VIP coming in the job in the next few weeks & I've heard he's a big fish n chip fan - would be nice to send him some place good

Gandhi

stellios wrote: »

They are the same as subway arent they? Bet you cant get a snackbox or a battered sausage

Subway is the absolute bottom-of-the-barrel sh!te made with stale bread and canned meat and veggies. I get my battered sausage fix from Jackie Lennox's whenever I get home for a few weeks. Never was much of a man for the snack boxes.

A Primal Nut

The King of Moo wrote: »

Because on most of the continent, and particularly Italy, people have a much better diet than here and Britain

I disagree. I ate in a restaurant in Rome this year. I ordered Chicken for 12 euros. Got a piece of chicken. With no sides! No potato, chips or anything.

Very hard to get a proper meal in a restaurant in Italy, unless you order Pizza.

I especially miss Chicken Fillet Rolls when I'm working abroad!

Although there is a shortage of nice restaurants in Ireland, where you can go in and get a proper meal without it being a formal occasion.

mattjack

Sooopie wrote: »

Anyone able to recommend a good spot for a sit in fish and chips in Dublin City Centre? Have a VIP coming in the job in the next few weeks & I've heard he's a big fish n chip fan - would be nice to send him some place good

There is a sit down place in Meath street,fish,chips etc slices of and pots of tea..its a little rough and ready though..foods great.

sock puppet

stellios wrote: »

Also, does Chinease food in China taste the same as Chinease food here??

Nothing like takeaways, though a lot of restaurants here do serve the authentic weird crap if you ask for it. They tend to eat way more parts of an animal than we would like feet, eyeballs... My brother had a deep fried scorpion on a recent trip there. They stayed with the in laws and had huge problems adjusting to the diet.

mattjack

mattjack wrote: »

There is a sit down place in Meath street,fish,chips etc slices of bread and pots of tea..its a little rough and ready though..foods great.

..

A Primal Nut

The King of Moo wrote: »

They'll usually only eat one though, and in the summer they might just have an espresso.

Thats a bit of a stereotype - Italians have all different dieting habits, just like the rest of us.

westdub15

the one on meath street is called Fusco's best in Dublin up there with Burdochs imo. So now we know where chippers come from anyone explain the chicken fillet rolls??

A Primal Nut

stellios wrote: »

Id rather eat in an Italian restaurant in Ireland than in Italy any day..

So you cannot get a battered saussage/snack box/Onion rings in Italy.

Also, does Chinease food in China taste the same as Chinease food here??

Chinese people laugh at the Chinese takeaways here!

thebigbiffo

Sooopie wrote: »

Anyone able to recommend a good spot for a sit in fish and chips in Dublin City Centre? Have a VIP coming in the job in the next few weeks & I've heard he's a big fish n chip fan - would be nice to send him some place good

Burdocks have a sit down place now on the street that links Hapenny Bridge and Henry street. Ya can't beat Burdochs - ya just can't.

The King of Moo

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I disagree. I ate in a restaurant in Rome this year. I ordered Chicken for 12 euros. Got a piece of chicken. With no sides! No potato, chips or anything.

Very hard to get a proper meal in a restaurant in Italy, unless you order Pizza.

I especially miss Chicken Fillet Rolls when I'm working abroad!

Although there is a shortage of nice restaurants in Ireland, where you can go in and get a proper meal without it being a formal occasion.

I haven't been to Rome yet, but from what I've heard from the Italians I know (who are very biased as everyone hates the Romans and Milanese there!) and visitors there you may have been scammed a bit.

They're notorious for doing that with tourists. They may have pinpointed you as a tourist and decided to fob you off with a scabby little bit of chicken as they thought you wouldn't know any better.

It also may have just been a crap place, or one that catered for tourists and not locals.

The worst story I heard from Rome was about a Japanese couple who went to a restaurant. A guy working there went over to them, told him he'd take care of them, give them the best food.
He ended up giving them all of the most expensive food and then overcharged them on top of that anyway! It cost them about a grand :eek:.

Come to think of though, I've only been to a few restaurants in Italy (which were great). Italians tend not to eat out for dinner too often though, as the food at home's so great. Dinner is a big social occasion, and the main event of the day, so they tend to keep it at home.

The King of Moo

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Thats a bit of a stereotype - Italians have all different dieting habits, just like the rest of us.

No, they don't, not to the same extent we have them. Obviously there's some variety, but not as much as here because they have a national cuisine and we don't.

In fact, I know quite a few Italians who are far too conservative about their food, and would never eat anything that's not very traditionally Italian.

chopperbyrne

We have the chipper to keep us fat and Italians have the gelataria.

Gelataria ice-cream is so good.