Unionist Minister speaks at Sinn Féin Ard Fheis

blahfckingblah

KeithAFC wrote: »

When did i mention Catholics in that post? Steddyeddy, it is beyond stupid at how you can take the whole thread off topic and not stick to the topic at hand. Debate the argument, not the person.

Sorry but you were talking about ulster nationalism a whole page ago. Irony.
On topic I dont think it should matter what religion or profession the man is we irishmen should have learned to accept everybody as equals, especially considering our past struggles with civil rights in ulster etc.

steddyeddy

woodoo wrote: »

He comes across as obsessively bigoted. He never seems to switch off from NI Politics.

But thats the thing northern Ireland politics isnt about hate at this stage it should be exactly what this thread is about and that is two communities building bridges.

KeithAFC

blahfckingblah wrote: »

Sorry but you were talking about ulster nationalism a whole page ago. Irony.
On topic I dont think it should matter what religion or profession the man is we irishmen should have learned to accept everybody as equals, especially considering our past struggles with civil rights in ulster etc.

Which is another political point of view which is against Sinn Feins political out look. Trying to turn the thread to be about me isn't constructive and is just paranoia of the highest order.

steddyeddy

blahfckingblah wrote: »

Sorry but you were talking about ulster nationalism a whole page ago. Irony.
On topic I dont think it should matter what religion or profession the man is we irishmen should have learned to accept everybody as equals, especially considering our past struggles with civil rights in ulster etc.

I wouldnt give a monkeys if the man was a transexual satan whorshipper as long as peace was being made. The only people who will make trouble are those who hate the fact the the two communities might have to get along as eqauls.

woodoo

steddyeddy wrote: »

I wouldnt give a monkeys if the man was a transexual satan whorshipper as long as peace was being made. The only people who will make trouble are those who hate the fact the the two communities might have to get along as eqauls.

Protestant ascendancy was the order of the day for 300 or 400 hundred years. Some up there are finding it hard to let go. Keith seems to be one of them.

steddyeddy

woodoo wrote: »

Protestant ascendancy was the order of the day for 300 or 400 hundred years. Some up there are finding it hard to let go. Keith seems to be one of them.

Well not talking about the man in question there has very much been an attitude of protestent supremacy amongst certain communities in the north and in some parts of america's deep south.

woodoo

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well not talking about the man in question there has very much been an attitude of protestent supremacy amongst certain communities in the north and in some parts of america's deep south.

There was a thread on that a while back and surprise surprise the scottish settlers were at it over there too.

blahfckingblah

KeithAFC wrote: »

Which is another political point of view which is against Sinn Feins political out look. Trying to turn the thread to be about me isn't constructive and is just paranoia of the highest order.

haha I'm not turning anything to be about you, thinking otherwise is paranoia of the highest order.

KeithAFC

blahfckingblah wrote: »

haha I'm not turning anything to be about you, thinking otherwise is paranoia of the highest order.

Wasn't talking about you. Anyway, this is really silly.

What I have heard is this minister is getting a real slating for his martin mcguinness leader quote by fellow Protestants.

Alopex

realies wrote: »

I am assuming here that steddyeddy is referring to keith and his aliases and other posts in which he makes many derogatory posts about catholics,(open to correction here)

blahfckingblah wrote: »

yep i got an infraction for mentioning something similar, thread carefully folks the mods are everywhere :eek:

steddyeddy wrote: »

Indeed but mostly it was a reaction to the attitude he has shown in this thread towards building community relations.

woodoo wrote: »

That is what you meant but you were afraid to write it.

don't mean to backseat mod but everyone knows the bottom line on nearly every forum is you attack the post, not the poster.

Its somewhat telling no republicans have taken on the actual content of that post - because it demonstrates the good friday agreement makes the union safer

steddyeddy

Alopex wrote: »

don't mean to backseat mod but everyone knows the bottom line on nearly every forum is you attack the post, not the poster.

Its somewhat telling no republicans have taken on the actual content of that post - because it demonstrates the good friday agreement makes the union safer

Well Ill make the point that the post wasnt believable just in the context of this thread. Ill expand by saying that sectarianism or dividing people by religion makes the union less stable.

Foghladh

woodoo wrote: »

He comes across as obsessively bigoted. He never seems to switch off from NI Politics.

In fairness to the guy he has 'Loyal Ulster' posted as his location and he's been pretty damned straight about his beliefs. It's pretty obvious that his political beliefs are at total ends with your own so why not make your argument and leave it at that? The last ten posts or so seem to have been about the squabbling over republicans/catholics and now the protestant ascendancy? Play the ball not the man here. I doubt any words from anyone here will change his core beliefs and that's his right.

woodoo

Alopex wrote: »

don't mean to backseat mod but everyone knows the bottom line on nearly every forum is you attack the post, not the poster.

Its somewhat telling no republicans have taken on the actual content of that post - because it demonstrates the good friday agreement makes the union safer

I'd just like to point out i'm not a republican.

Wolfe Tone

Alopex wrote: »

don't mean to backseat mod but everyone knows the bottom line on nearly every forum is you attack the post, not the poster.

Its somewhat telling no republicans have taken on the actual content of that post - because it demonstrates the good friday agreement makes the union safer

Doesn't make it safer then when the IRA were blowing everything up. I would argue it makes people, in the log run at least, more willing and open to the prospect of a united Ireland as it is not "giving into" the IRA, hence why I believe it is imperative the anti GFA IRA groups at least declare an open ended ceasefire.

I would say that at most it is as secure as ever, but I would argue that it is somewhat less secure, I certainly don't see how it is more secure.

You will find many republicans who would agree that the GFA has copper-fastened Brit rule though.

lugha

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Doesn't make it safer then when the IRA were blowing everything up. I would argue it makes people, in the log run at least, more willing and open to the prospect of a united Ireland as it is not "giving into" the IRA, hence why I believe it is imperative the anti GFA IRA groups at least declare an open ended ceasefire.

I would say that at most it is as secure as ever, but I would argue that it is somewhat less secure, I certainly don't see how it is more secure.

You will find many republicans who would agree that the GFA has copper-fastened Brit rule though.

I don't find any claims that GFA either copperfastened partition or hastened its end convincing. It is simply an argument rolled out by dissenters on either side because, well they have to. Republicans opponents of GFA could hardly agree that it offers a blueprint for a UI. And likewise and conversely with their counterparts in unionism.

IMO, with or without GFA, if and when a majority of NI citizens favour it, and especially given that NI has no great resources and indeed is a drain in the British exchequer, then a UI will happen (assuming us Southerners will want them! )

Paddy De Plasterer

wonder who Shinners will run. Mickey Harte, Gildernew, O Caolain ?